Election 2016: no privatisation of Medicare

Malcolm Turnbull has promised voters that no aspect of Medicare will be outsourced.

In response to Labor’s Election 2016 campaign claim that the Government is trying to sell off Medicare, Malcolm Turnbull has promised voters that no aspect of the system will be outsourced.

Many government agency payment services, of which Medicare is one, are in need of an upgrade and since 2014, the Government has been considering the solution of outsourcing these services to the private sector. Labor has highlighted this issue, calling on former PM Bob Hawke to appear in Election 2016 television ads warning about the possibility of privatisation of Medicare

However, plans to outsource the Medicare payment delivery service to the private sector have been dumped, with the Turnbull Government to identify where “efficiencies” can be made to fund the upgrade of the system.

The Prime Minister has stated that the claim by Labor was "so audacious it defies belief" and so has moved to end the conjecture once and for all by announcing that the outsourcing plans will be scrapped.

Although he wouldn't put a figure on how much it would cost to improve Medicare’s payment system, he did say, "We will continue to improve the way in which Medicare interacts, interfaces with its customers, with citizens and patients, is delivered, but it will all be done by Government and within Government."

Launching his party’s campaign yesterday, Mr Shorten continued to emphasise the threat of privatisation, stating that Election 2016 would be a referendum on Medicare, "Your individual vote will decide the fate, direction and quality of health care in this country."

Read more at ABC.net.au

Do you think the Government should outsource the Medicare payment system if it is indeed more efficient? What will this mean for your privacy? Or should Medicare and all health services be provided by the Government?





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    Idontforget
    20th Jun 2016
    9:46am
    A politicians promise is generally corrupt.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:18pm
    I don't forget either.
    "We say what we will do and do what we say", "No new taxes", "No changes to pensions", Gonski funding, etc.
    The above are from the Abbott government. Now we have Turnbull making PROMISES..........also not worth the paper they are written on.
    As Bob Hawke said "you don't spend $5 million on a study of Medicare unless you propose to privatise Medicare". Hawke is correct and Turnbull's pre-election turnaround will see the same result as Abbott: promises shredded the day after the election.
    Robin7
    22nd Jun 2016
    5:46pm
    Turnbull is lying:

    1. -The LNP started an official taskforce to develop the plan, put money in the Budget for the taskforce, and made recommendations for how to prepare for the sale.
    (SOURCE: Budget Paper No 2 2014-15, Market testing of the payment of health services by commercial payment service providers)

    2. -They gave a big consulting firm $5 million to start the sale - and got expressions of interest in the privatisation of Medicare from big banks, telecommunications companies, and even Northrup Grumman, a multi-national security company.
    (SOURCE: Senate Community Affairs Legislation Committee, 6 May 2016 - p5)

    3.They asked the Productivity Commission to do a report on how to privatise service delivery including Medicare and used America as an example.
    (SOURCE: Productivity Commission Inquiries - Human Services
    http://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/current/human-services/identifying-reform/issues/human-services-identifying-issues.pdf)

    This all comes on top of cuts to our hospitals, a GP Tax by stealth and removing Medicare contributions for vital medical tests.

    Mr Turnbull’s plan to privatise Medicare is very real.
    Robin7
    22nd Jun 2016
    6:10pm
    "removing Medicare contributions for vital medical tests"

    what this means is :
    If the LNP are re-elected and your doctor sends you for a blood test, you have seen all those little groups of letters in the request, each one has a separate cost, for example the diagnosis test for prostate cancer, which a male should get checked each year costs $86-.
    Every other group of letters will have it's own price attached, nobody is talking accurate numbers, but the local collection centre here thinks they will start around $36 each, and go up from there.

    And nobody believes the LNP will stop at blood tests. Every test will cost you more, while your pension will be less!

    AND something not even the LNP flacks here have thought about,
    Your Private Health Provider will have to pay those fees TOO - currently medibank pay for the tests for all Australians.

    Watch Your Private Health Cover Premiums SOAR!
    maxchugg
    23rd Jun 2016
    10:46am
    It was interesting to see the Labor party showing an old video of Honest John making one of his notorious "non-core promises." I' was wondering why the Libs didn't respond in kind and show Julia Gillard clearly stating that there would be no carbon tax under her government.

    I also heard someone from the Liberals talking about Honest John. My understanding is that the nickname was obtained after Howard promised tax cuts before an election, then increased taxes after being elected. A friend at the time commented that she called Howard Honest John for the same reason she called red headed men Bluey.

    The best way to keep politicians honest is to leave them in fear of losing their seats at the next election, and the only way to do this is to be a swinging voter.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2016
    10:01am
    Bill Shorten must think we're stupid. I personally think it's cruel to be phoning us oldies and scaring us with their lies.
    Lecheman
    20th Jun 2016
    10:44am
    Not too sure about, but I have received three spam calls now from Turnbull. All that money spent on phoning Aussies so we can listen to their crap. Over it!
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    10:55am
    I agree I got one of those phone calls. I told them to stop this propaganda and that it wasn't doing their election campaign any good telling such lies. They tired to convince me otherwise so I said you have now lost my vote.
    Kaz
    20th Jun 2016
    11:09am
    Yes noted turnfullofbulls suggestion that all oldies are scared by labor lies! What rubbish - and btw, turnbull said it was a promise by him!
    ghoti
    20th Jun 2016
    11:52am
    Privatising stuff is in the Liberals' DNA. It’s part of their ideology. They want to privatise Medicare, or at least the payment system, and were considering it, but Labor has put the frighteners on them so they've had to pull their heads in. Now Turnbull says “never,ever”, but any promise he makes could only apply for three years max. And, anyway, how can anyone believe him after his predecessor, that nice Mr. Abbott, lied through his teeth, including promising no cuts to the ABC, SBS etc?

    Frank: could you list Labor's lies for me, please?

    I saw Turnbull on TV this morning: he evaded a question about Medicare privatisation in a blatantly dishonest way. I used to think he was better than that, but it seems that he's no better than Abbott.
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    12:14pm
    Labor's biggest lie is that the Coalition is going to privatise Medicare.
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    2:35pm
    Old Geezer, that and that they will not do a deal with the Greens to gain government.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    I wondered where you have been for the past week Frank. So that is the next set of lies from Party HQ eh? Not buying!
    Poor old Malcolm looked like a beaten man the other night.

    Carry on trolls. This community is seeing you for who you are.
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    5:14pm
    I doubt anyone looks too flash with flu Mick. A cheap shot even for you!
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    5:46pm
    Really? So how did you know that?
    Comment: the trolls have been absent for over a week. That is fact, not a cheap shot.
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    6:32pm
    Mick the betting odds are getting shorter for a Colaition victory so why would Malcolm look like a beaten man?

    I can't understand why Labor is presuing this flawed propaganda about the Coalition privatising Medicare.

    Haven't they got something prositive to offer us instead?

    Maybe not.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:25pm
    Funny boy. Poor Malcolm finding it hard. Having shown up with deceitful posters about Labor debt (shown to be a lie 2 days later) Turnbull now claims Medicare privatisation is a "lie". The teapot calling the kettle black. I refer to Bob Hawke: "you don't undertake a $5 million review of Medicare unless you propose to privatise (ell off) Medicare". Agree.
    Something positive???? Turnbull? Morrison? Corman? And the rest? What a wanker of a comment Geezer.....or is it Frank.
    Misty
    20th Jun 2016
    10:58pm
    Frank and Old Gezzer the LNP are also doing their fair share of lying by saying that Labor will bring back the Carbon Tax and join with the Greens if there is a Hung Parliament, both denied by Labor SO WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE MALCOLM TURNBULL'S DENIAL and NOT BILL SHORTEN'S?, after all look at all the broken promises Tony Abbott made after winning the last election.
    Strummer
    21st Jun 2016
    8:28am
    Very appropriate in a Medicare debate. The Libs getting a dose of their own medicine!
    MICK
    21st Jun 2016
    8:55am
    Yeah. They dish it out real well but cry wolf when they get a bit back. More like spoiled school children than a political party.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2016
    11:39am
    Frank, Malcolm Turnbull must think we are all stupid to believe the LNP lies. ''No changes to pensions. No cuts to health. No cuts to education...'', and then the ULTIMATE INSULT: ''We didn't break our promise on pensions. We didn't change them in THIS term.'' What BS! The change WAS made in this term. Delaying implementation DOES NOT make it a next term change. All that does is evidence GROSS dishonesty and TOTAL CONTEMPT for voters.

    Medicare isn't any safer under the LNP than pensions were/are. And promises are nothing more than fraudulent waffle to try to win votes. Watch and see. If they get in again, this will be another issue on which they break promises and defraud voters.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2016
    11:53am
    A Shorten government will not reverse those changes Rainey. They only voted against changes to the pension because they think like an opposition. They are negative on every proposal, good or bad.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    6:56pm
    Frank, what the Shorten government will or won't change doesn't change the obvious fact that Turnbull thinks we are all stupid enough to believe his lies. Obviously some here are!
    Blossom
    25th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    As soon as I get a recorded message on an incoming call I hang up.

    Most political parties lie about some issues. e.g. GST, Medicare changes in the past, transport infastructure - they promise funds but don't hand them over.
    ex PS
    26th Jun 2016
    2:04am
    Frank, it is not up to the ALP to change the stupid decisions made by the LNP. They should keep everyone of them to remind the voters how bad the LNP is. Actually I don't agree with new political leaders making major changes to existing plans as the people who vote fools in deserve to be punished for their stupidity.
    Adrianus
    26th Jun 2016
    6:07am
    ex, I can understand why you are angry. You were probably one of those who signed the petition to reverse the changes, organised by Labor.
    KB
    27th Jun 2016
    12:31pm
    I did not like being phoned by a Labour recorded message.over Medicare. It was almost to the point of being threatening.
    Migrant
    20th Jun 2016
    10:06am
    Let's hope the Govt plans for payments , eliminates all the unnecessary paperwork , and considers why with a " free" service such as Medicare any payments for excess fees cannot be charged by Medicare , and not be part of a charging cycle of Doctor, patient, Medicare , and health fund , then back to Patient and Doctor ?
    Migrant
    Downtrain
    20th Jun 2016
    10:14am
    I don't have a problem with the back office processing being contracted out but I hope it it does get outsourced it will stay in Australia and not go overseas.
    The frontline advisory and assistance staff must stay Medicare staff.
    My own request is that we have more staff available to process claims instantly. The is only one Medicare office in Melbourne that does this, there may be others but I cant find them.
    Theo1943
    20th Jun 2016
    6:34pm
    Back office processing being outsourced? What else is there in Medicare apart from processing claims?
    Goldleaf
    20th Jun 2016
    10:20am
    Does anyone actually believe the Coalition on Medicare? Remember 2013, No Cuts To Health and then we got co payments, funding cuts via a freeze on doctor's reimbursements, co payments for pathology. They hate Medicare and will continue to dismantle it, have a look at the National Commission of Audit set up by Abbott and still used by the Coalition, it is full of ways to privatise Medicare. If anyone believes Turnbull on this I have a nice slightly used Harbor bridge you might be interested in
    Lecheman
    20th Jun 2016
    10:54am
    Agree with you 100%!
    Queensland Diva
    20th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Absolutely 100% - no cuts to Medicare, no cuts to Education, no cuts to the ABC and SBS. You simply cannot believe a word that comes out of this government's mouth.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:22pm
    Can't believe a word they say. Unashamed liars. Turnbull has caved in to the dark side and is just another Abbott by another name.
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    Goldleaf....Does the the bridge come painted?
    Lecheman
    20th Jun 2016
    10:52am
    And right before the election, Turnbull announces he will not be privatising Medicare. This current government's legacy has been a continuous series of lies to the Aussie public. I can see no difference other than Turnbull showing his desperation in regard to this election.
    I am so over having to answer the phone around 6-7pm to listen to his dreams/plans for Australia. Once was bad enough, and I have no doubt I will receive more of his recorded messages before the election.
    I still believe the amount of money spent on these elections could be put to better use!
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:24pm
    Spot on Lecheman. You see it for what it is.
    My method for dealing with political harassment is to quietly put the phone down. That way it's 5 minutes before they realise you are gone. Justice!
    probins01
    20th Jun 2016
    10:53am
    "No GST, not now, not ever" - John Howard.
    "There will be no carbon tax under any government I lead" Julia Gillard.
    They all lie through their teeth!
    Vote independent and minor parties, it's the only way back to true democracy!
    Kaz
    20th Jun 2016
    11:11am
    The carbon tax was relevant and supported by many. Abbott just made it a football
    probins01
    20th Jun 2016
    11:36am
    Yes indeed, but she still lied.
    ghoti
    20th Jun 2016
    12:07pm
    What Gillard didn't say, but implied, was "There will be no carbon tax under any Labor government I lead". She led a minority government, a coalition of parties and independents, and clearly had to compromise some policies in order to form government. Thus her "no carbon tax" promise wasn't a lie at all. Abbott, on the other hand, lied by calling her a liar when he knew she wasn't. He then lied and lied and lied … He promised Windsor that he would do anything necessary to form government, which no doubt would have included yet more broken promises.

    It was Howard who categorised promises, after the event, as either "core" or "non-core". In other words, if it turned out to be a lie, it was a non-core promise. Now Turnbull has stepped up to the plate - are we suddenly to believe that this Liberal Party leader is somehow different?
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    12:15pm
    And Mr Howard later went to an election with the promise of a GST, won and then kept the promise.
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    12:23pm
    Most of us knew at the time Julia said this statement that she had leased a building in Canberra and hired over 200 staff to work on a carbon tax.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:25pm
    Good post probins01. None of them are to be trusted. And this government has a recent track record of deceit on steroids. Definitely to be avoided.
    MITZY
    20th Jun 2016
    5:09pm
    That was only half the sentence Julia Gillard uttered a few days before we voted, the rest of the sentence was ".... but I won't rule out an emissions trading scheme...". However what transpired with a hung parliament changed everything. Abbott just hounded and hounded about the carbon tax until everybody believed it.
    If people are brainwashed with the same rhetoric eventually they believe it.
    Once a politician emphatically denies a change like the current Medicare debacle, I find myself not convinced, I seem to read what was missing from the statement. He stated no changes to the current Medicare services, but what about future services?
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:28pm
    I hate liars MITZY and do not excuse Gillard from hers. But then I have to look at the current batch of congenital liars (about everything) and consider what a responsible and effective working mechanism the Carbon Tax was. Of course many coal mines have closed down since the repeal of the tax so we need to ask the obvious questions.
    Incognito
    21st Jun 2016
    12:59am
    I agree vote independent or minor, consider Animal Justice Party to get a voice for the animals.
    Kaz
    20th Jun 2016
    11:07am
    And if you believe that, you probably believed Howard's promise of no GST
    SuzeB
    20th Jun 2016
    11:12am
    We deserve a few lies. All this country wants is the working man to give them more and more of their money. It's horrendous and getting worse.
    Adrianus
    20th Jun 2016
    11:31am
    SuzeB, I agree, we are asking to be lied to. Half of the electorate is motivated by greed and envy toward taxpayers.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    The problem is Kaz that AUstralians do not reward lies with electoral annihilation. This should be the reward for deceit. With that in mind the Abbott/Turnbull government deserves to be in the wilderness for at least a decade. That would teach it a lesson never to be forgotten!
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    11:18am
    "There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy. Never ever. It's dead
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:29pm
    Not if Turnbull wins. If that happens then IT WILL BE ON. To deny that is to ignore that $50 billion of taxpayer money is being redirected to the rich and needs to be found somewhere.
    Guess where? Yep, average Australians!
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    4:59pm
    just taking us back to 1996 Mick.When false promises were made and gutter politics in the form of enraging the Aussie Voters with false claims of Children overboard saw Howard re-elected.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:30pm
    Yeah mango. I ma sort of swaying to politicians who lie to face removal from the parliament. Sooner rather than later. But that would leave the front bench of the current rats gone methinks so maybe I need to rethink that one. It would certainly make a case of who should NOT be running for office and that needs to happen.
    Peanuts
    20th Jun 2016
    11:30am
    Whilst I strongly support Medicare and agree that investment in it should be maintained, the fact is that the no government in Australia has the capability to develop such a complex system on their own. They will have to outsource the development of such a system to Accenture, IBM, Deloitte, etc. Even the development of Defense's financial systems were outsourced to Deloitte/SAP. And in Queensland, the Health Payroll, developed by SAP/IBM was a billion dollars over budget! So any politician who says than no part of the Medicare payments system will be outsourced is telling porkies!
    Rae
    20th Jun 2016
    2:20pm
    Let us hope it turns out better than the NSW TAFE system which was unable to enrol, keep an attendance register, document student admissions, and lost not only thousands of graduation certifications but hundreds of millions of dollars. The administrators are still trying to track down the money.

    Privatisation is fabulous except when it isn't and some things are much better run by a centralised authority.
    Deenick
    20th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    No the NLP won't privatise but it will destroy Medicare. Copayment, pathology contribution payment, freeze on rebate and Levy has already said they would develop the private insurance industry and make policies easier to understand. What other proof do you need.
    As to lies they are pretty good at it. Look at the environment instead of taxing polluters they pay them to reduce their output. Whichever way you look at it taxpayers are paying. They say reduced tax for big business will increase employment. Big business are already making big profits but yet employment is stagnating.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:31pm
    The intention of the NLP is to bring down Medicare because, like America, the well to do do not want to subsidise health for the poor. It's always the same idea: the rich should be able to take it all.
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    There are a few things I believe every CITIZEN of a country has a right to. Two of these are health services and education.

    Health services are very expensive to run and with new developments, innovations, procedures, machines, equipment, drugs almost daily, cost are only going to increase as the population increases and demand for services increases along side. I see no issue in general ion looking to external 'experts' to streamline routine backroom processes. If that means outsourcing the payments process to a private company I see no real issue with that. Provided: the external 'winner' is based in Australia, employs Australian staff, pays tax in Australia and all patient information is held in Australia under Australian law.

    I also think that if ALL NON-Citizens (which includes anyone living in Australia under any type of visitor visa, temporary or permanent) want/need to access Australia's health care services, they should pay to do so either directly or through some form of medical insurance.

    We have heard a great deal about the 'Australian people' and what 'they' want and no doubt will hear a great deal more in the next two weeks. So how about we put Australians first in both health and education and charge the rest for access?
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:33pm
    I hear a bit of empathy in you KSS. Surprising. That does give you a few accolades. Good to hear you care about somebody other than the 1%. Maybe you are a real Australians after all.
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    5:19pm
    Mick had you actually read any of my previous posts you would have known this all along. I have repeatedly made the same point. And I don't care whether you consider me a "real Australian" or not.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    5:48pm
    Our comments condemn us KSS. My position would be as clear as a brick dropped off the harbour bridge.
    Queensland Diva
    20th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    Anyone who believes that the coalition would not privatise Medibank is fooling themselves. Conservative governments hate Medicare and if they are voted in, they WILL privatise it. Make no mistake.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:34pm
    Yeah, they're raring at the bit. If re-elected it's game on.
    kjw
    20th Jun 2016
    1:05pm
    Several years ago John Howard said he would "never ever" introduce a GST. When he introduced the GST after being elected his response was that it was not a "core promise"
    Now we have Malcolm Turnbull promising to "never ever" privatise medicare. Is it a core promise?
    I have listened to several politicians promises over the years. Now I try not to instead I look at what they and their party did while elected. This election I have no idea. They are all as bad as each other
    Sceptic
    20th Jun 2016
    1:30pm
    Okay kjw, let us rewrite history to suit your argument. Mr Howard went to an election on introducing the GST, won the election and introduced it. I guess that the only election promises that you like being kept are the ones that are for something that you are in favour of.
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    Yes Sceptic there are many here re-writing history through the lens of their own partisan view.

    And I expect they believe Mr Shorten when he says he and the ALP will not do (and has not done) a deal with the Greens!
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:37pm
    Off topic KSS. The LNP will also do a deal with the toxic Greens. Both sides will prostitute themselves.
    Given the last 3 years I cannot believe a single word coming out of the mouth of Turnbull. Betrayal is all that the country will get given the dirty tactics already in use. The nest outcome I can envisage after an election defeat if for most of the current front bench to go and some (decent) new blood to come forward and rebuild what is a corrupt and malicious government.

    20th Jun 2016
    1:06pm
    A promise from this Bozo, or any other politician for that matter, is about as effective as a fart in the wind.
    Sceptic
    20th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    A word from bozo Fast Eddie?
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    3:20pm
    Back under your rock, Septic - that's a good reptile.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:38pm
    Polly want a cracker? Where's parti?
    Rod63
    20th Jun 2016
    1:48pm
    From Bernard Keane in Crikey today:
    Against Turnbull, however, is Tony Abbott’s long list of broken promises and bad faith after the 2013 election, when crystal-clear commitments to maintain funding in key areas like education, health and the ABC were chucked aside. Labor warned before the 2013 election that the Coalition was lying about its plans and, once in government, Tony Abbott appeared to go out of his way to prove that they’d been right. Also against him is a campaign by doctors’ groups against funding cuts. And voters sense the Coalition’s lack of enthusiasm about Medicare.

    We can't trust the coalition on this.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:41pm
    Readers need to read your post Rod. Articulately put and accurate. My only concern is that you may have been too kind and left out quite a few of the other lies.
    I do hope voters remember rather than be seduced by a campaign of Turnbull and Morrison drumming their lies into the minds of the mentally challenged amongst us.
    nena
    20th Jun 2016
    1:51pm
    I don't believe politicians because they always have an excuse to broken promises. In regard to the LIBS. yes, as somebody put it... privatisation is their gens...Their mission is...rich get richer and the ordinary people get...working and earn enough to survive so they can consumer plenty junk for the rich corporations, globally, get richer by the they. They really want poor people just for consumerism...and instrument for, again, the rich one get richer and richer. Think critically on everything you are told...you read etc.
    mareela
    20th Jun 2016
    2:04pm
    Are Turnbull's promises any better than Abbott's? I think not. Don't trust any of them any further than I can kick them
    KSS
    20th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    Are Mr Shorten's any better than Mr Rudd or Ms Gillard's?
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    4:06pm
    Take them all with a grain of salt and just wait and see.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:49pm
    Come on mareel:
    Gillard - one promise
    Abbott - take off your shoes as not enough fingers to keep count
    Turnbull - already shaped up as the son of Abbott
    Shorten - unknown...........but unlikely to a mass liar like the current government.
    Pick your poison mareela. But respectfully Australians normally give a person a fair go and Shorten may deserve the benefit of the doubt. For my money I am putting Nick Xenophon first as he has a candidate in my state. If not I would be choosing ANY of the current cross bench senators who have done us proud over the past 3 years. Labor is going second on my ballot and LIBERAL LAST, where it belongs.
    Placido
    20th Jun 2016
    2:05pm
    Well Malcolm said "Never Ever" but so did John Howard before he broke his promise and gave us the GST. Do not be too hasty about saying Malcolm will not out source or privatise Medicare I do not believe that we can safely say he won't do it until after the election.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    I see Malcolm as 'son of Abbott' given how he has carried on and fail to see that he has earned any trust.
    I do not believe his claim that Medicare will not be torched. ANd I do not believe that the GST will not be touched. It will. And average Australians will be hit with a raft of new taxes. The LNP way.
    Placido
    20th Jun 2016
    2:12pm
    For sceptic and others who do not remember things clearly. Here is a link to an honest comment from an an honest principled political reporter (yes they do exist) Alan Ramsey on the topic of the "Never Ever" statement by John Howard.

    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html

    This is very relevant to the comments in this election and promises from the 2013 one.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:52pm
    Ditto.
    lasaboy
    20th Jun 2016
    2:52pm
    the Liberals ideas for medicare are along the lines of basing our medical system on the USA version, outsourcing or not we are the big losers, as our medical system will colaspe just as the USA version did and then private corps take over
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:53pm
    As a regular traveller to the US that is a 'sick in the gutter' policy. I hope to never see this in Australia............but then this government is working on it.
    mIKER
    20th Jun 2016
    4:30pm
    The Coalition DNA, promulgated by the Institute of Public Affairs, a Liberal Party think tank, is to privatise health, education and so on. The PM can swear on a stack of bibles they wont do so , but work is already in hand. The LNP has already de-funded health and education to drive people to private health funds and private schools and universitys, they won't stop; and re-electing gives them the mandate to carry on.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:55pm
    It's a process. And when it's done average Australians will be done (over). Better not to go there.
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    4:48pm
    To think I thought Malcolm was going to be a shining light after he got rid Abbott. LNP just seem to dream up some plan and then back peddle. What a total lack of direction. I've got the feeling that the only LNP candidate who could organise the "proverbial" would have been the departing Liberal Party candidate for the Victorian seat of Calwell. Labor looking a bit better but not by much. Totally disillusioned with both major parties so this year I'm sending my own little message to both Major Parties and giving my Senate vote to the Greens and Nick Xenophon with a few of the other minor parties thrown in just in the hope of keeping the bastards honest . Won't make any difference in the scheme of things but at least I'll get some satisfaction.I'll come back and vote properly when they all grow up.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    4:57pm
    Whilst I do not like the policies from the LNP wally I thought along the same lines: a clean new man who was not owned by the big end of town. How wrong I was. Turnbull is just another Abbott with the same policies and the same dishonesty.
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    5:06pm
    I think if he was allowed to be his own man we could have had fair better outcomes. Unfortunately he just appears to be dancing to the tune of others and the amount of back flips and flip flops his Government have been doing is really scary.
    Every one knows some hard decisions have to be made but what is the scary bit is they feel they need to hold power in both the upper and lower houses to achieve it and for a government with no over sight that is not good.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    5:44pm
    Agree. Unfortunately Turnbull has prostituted himself to Liberal Party wagon. AS he has said many times: "I am a team player". So you get what we have gotten: the next LNP stooge to have sold his soul to the devil. Sad.
    Snowwhite
    20th Jun 2016
    5:25pm
    Does anyone really believe the Govt? Turnbull just lies the same as Abbott.
    The LNP will privatize Medicare or slowly but surely dismantle it until it doesn't exist.
    Remember the LNP ideology is smaller Govt and less services for the masses. User pays is their mantra.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    5:45pm
    The prime reason for the ballot box is so that we can put dissent into practise. I will be.

    20th Jun 2016
    5:46pm
    simple question to union organiser labor mick, as medicare looses over 20 billion dollars+ yearly, maybe you could enlighten us by telling us, who in the private industry would buy medicare if it is put up for sale?
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    5:53pm
    Another troll back in action. Primed and ready to go after Liberal Party indoctrination.
    Ok, let's go for what it is worth.
    It matters not what Medicare loses because Medicare serves the needs of the the Australian public. IT IS A SERVICE. The "loss" you refer to is for health services to us all. THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS! You need to tell Malcolm that.
    Who would buy Medicare? So who bought Medibank Private? Shareholders. And then the rates went up. Same deal for Medicare. Might even get a sale to the Chinese government. It would be interested. I mean they own a heap of freehold farming land with the help of your government.
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    6:25pm
    Mick I don't think anyone would buy Medicare either. Medicare doesn't make any money.

    Medibank private was health fund and was profitable in it's own right. OK I got a few in the float and made a few bob out of them too.
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    6:43pm
    Unless of course Australia Post, was awarded the multi billion dollar Medicare payments contract. Australia Post would then be worth a lot more then when the Government privatized it.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:32pm
    Sounds quite plausible mango and this might be what happens. I mean the post office is now taking heaps of payments and will keep the owners in business. Not a bad solution methinks.
    MacI
    20th Jun 2016
    5:55pm
    I am fed up with politicians telling half truths and out right lies on both sides of politics. Shorten tried the "vote for us and you won't get 15% GST" campaign but Labor's opinion polling must have shown it got no traction so now we have the "vote for us and Medicare won't be privatized" campaign. As I understand it the government was looking at options for modernizing the outdated Medicare payment system which is a far cry from privatizing Medicare and which may have concluded that outsourcing this part of the service was the most efficient and cost effective way of achieving this. Anyhow, it looks like Labor's campaign has killed off this possibility so we will probably be stuck with an outdated system and a bloated public service bureaucracy to run it for years to come.
    JOHN T
    20th Jun 2016
    6:03pm
    Trust me the lbs are at it again no cuts to this and live in a state of denial seems to be the way the liberal operates have you heard of our next pm Tony Abbott he can make and break his word to please do not fall for it
    Old Geezer
    20th Jun 2016
    6:33pm
    Only one thing is certain. Things will change. Rest is just noise.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    6:33pm
    obliviously you have a short memory, the LIAR of the CENTURY gillard, no carbon tax under my government, only took one week after the election to reverse that pledge.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:33pm
    The liar of the century Gillard????? One lie.
    The undisputed liar of the century is Abbott. More lies than you could count on both hands methinks. Check the facts!
    Misty
    20th Jun 2016
    11:06pm
    You conveniently forget the rest of JG'S sentence heemskerk when she said " but I will put a price on Carbon", TA just blatantly lied when he said, "No cuts to education, no cuts to the ABC etc and promptly did just that cut them all.
    Theo1943
    20th Jun 2016
    6:32pm
    Medicare will not be privatised. The Coalition PM said "never ever". That is what John Howard said about the GST.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    6:38pm
    john howard took it to an election and won that election which gave him the right to introduce the g.s.t.
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    7:00pm
    He won after he lied to the Australian public about the Children overboard. As defence minister Reith, as well as John Howard and Philip Ruddock, promulgated the great untruth that asylum seekers had thrown their children in the water. And despite his office learning within hours of his statement that this was untrue, Reith did not correct the record at that time and did not admit he had been told his statement was false. Yes Howard won alright but trust in future LNP Governments again will be hard to come by.
    Anonymous
    20th Jun 2016
    7:20pm
    mangomick, how many so called refugees died at sea during the labor government of rudd and gillard,
    john howard took the g.s.t to an election and won so he was entitled to bring it in.
    maybe you could tell us how many so called refugees, mininum fare from indonesia to Australia, $ 15000.00 per person, I love to see any person in the refuge camps come up with that sort of money, as for union organiser and using his favorite word labor TROLL mick, you never answered my question, who will buy medicare, which makes a loss of 200+ BILLION DOLLARS a year, just gives us an answer and not a labor furphy you are known for. if I don't receive an answer I take it that you are on one of your ski trips you so often boast about.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:39pm
    Yeah Theo. The trolls always ignore the facts which shoot down their pus comments.
    I do not support refugees coming unannounced and uninvited. Never have. I know that others on this website do not agree with that view but that is mine based on the destruction of our harmonious culture, way of life and living standards. So use all the 'deaths at sea' rubbish you like. That is just noise.
    I personally do not care that Medicare loses money. IT IS NOT A BUSINESS you idiot. It is a service to us all and it actually benefits the economy by keeping people (most people) productive. We all deserve not to die in the gutter in case that has not dawned on your small mind. Give me a break!
    mangomick
    20th Jun 2016
    10:00pm
    Like it or not heemskerk we are signatories to the UN convention on refugees.If the LNP Government or Labor, if it gets in power, doesn't want to abide by that Convention then it should stop being two faced and pull out of the convention completely before we lose our credibility completely. Let's show the World what we are really like and stop the BS pretending it's about saving lives at sea. For the LNP this was never really about saving lives at sea . It is just about appeasing the same type of racist people who protested about the Italians , Greeks and Yugoslavs coming here after the war stealing jobs and the same people who objected to the Vietnamese boat people who came here by boat looking for a better life.
    Crashbang
    20th Jun 2016
    7:23pm
    it turncoats lips are moving he's generally lying
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:40pm
    They're always moving. Current about the "biggest lie of the election campaign". And that comes after the tax cuts lie, the black hole in Labor's budget lie and heaps of others. This government certainly knows how to roll them out.
    carmencita
    20th Jun 2016
    7:49pm
    That is simply an election promise which is false. I have contacted the office of Andrew Southcott, the local Federal rep- his office stated that the processing of medicare claims will be privatised. However, as we all know politicians, that is just a beginning to complete privatisation when they get elected into office and claim they have the mandate of the people (having been elected- a favourite phrase by John Howard).
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:41pm
    I am with the comments from Bob Hawke. $5 million dollars to 'investigate'. We know what is coming after the election.
    tendj
    20th Jun 2016
    8:01pm
    The last time I went for an ultra sound medicare covered the full cost this was two years ago today I was told I need another ring up to book and told I will have to pay 30 dollars I ask can I claim it back answer NO I wonder how many pensioners can afford this
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:43pm
    You should be happy you do not live in the US tendj. $30 is a bargain. You'd have a heart attack if you knew how much this was going to cost you in the US do be happy.
    Circum
    20th Jun 2016
    8:33pm
    I do not understand how anyone can privatise a company to which people are forced to contribute,currently via the tax system.Politicians love playing on words.Malcolm simply wants to dismantle Medicare to make it less effective and to save money in the short term.Copayments and freezes on rebates to doctors are two examples.The liberals will cut and slice until people have been cut off at the knees.Outsourcing ANY systems within medicare only achieves 2 results .1/It displays incompetence and defeat by virtually saying another party can perform a better service/outcome and make a profit on top of that.2/It lines the pockets of many of those arranging the contracts to outsource.Corruption to put it simply.Labour doesnt like the Liberals approach as it would rather line its own pockets equally as corruptly.The unions of course would want a percentage.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    8:44pm
    The whole point is that Medicare is NOT A TRADING COMPANY. It is a national service. DIfferent animals and different purposes. We should not listen to the Liberal Party spruikers who try to muddy the water and get us to look at things exactly the wrong way.
    Circum
    20th Jun 2016
    8:59pm
    Whether medicare is a trading company or not is irrelevant,What is relevant is its a service forcibly paid for by taxpayers and not shareholders.In its current form it cannot be privatized although I dont question that the liberals has investigated the possibility.Labours scare campaign has no credibility.It just hopes people are stupid enough to believe it and rank it highly in determining who to vote for.
    MICK
    20th Jun 2016
    9:19pm
    Have a think about what has been privatised during the last 30 years. Frightening. No wonder we as a nation own next to nothing.
    Bet your house on the fact that Medicare can indeed be privatised and will be if Turnbull gets back in. The buggars have started on the hospitality industry, are working on unions again and Medicare is in their sights. Turnbull can deny and act outraged as much as he likes. Past performance from this government is what we will get again.
    Circum
    20th Jun 2016
    9:39pm
    Mick.On the question of privatization I agree with you.The consumer has lost in almost every case I can think of.Millions have been lost by the country.More importantly CONTROL of national assetts has been frittered away for which the country will no doubt pay and keeping paying whether its energy.infarstructure or services.Both major parties are equally to blame.I trust neither now.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2016
    8:59am
    Ain't that the truth.
    Misty
    20th Jun 2016
    11:00pm
    All politicians seem to be free with the truth these days.
    Big Kev
    20th Jun 2016
    11:00pm
    I know people in Medicare payments area who have been made redundant. They have been told that the payments system is being outsourced to Malaysia. Your information there is not covered by privacy requirements. They were told that Medicare could not get sufficient funding to replace their system. They are evidently the only organisation using the current platform. Staff had also been told that smaller offices will close as more payments go online.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2016
    7:42am
    That proves why those people were redundant. We can no longer afford to load up the Public Sector so that we have a good supply of people standing around the coffee machine whinging about the job.
    Rae
    21st Jun 2016
    8:09am
    Good luck trying to get the money out of the Service Centre through a Malaysian data processing centre. Best start saving now as Frank is right. Public service just isn't on the LNP agenda. There are no medicare offices now so of course they won't need to staff them.

    If you have an unusual claim then it is going to take a fair bit of effort to get it sorted out.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2016
    9:02am
    If your information is correct Kev then the claim by Turnbull that Labor is running a scare campaign is dead in the water. As I have said a few times now I agree with the words from Hawke: "you don't spend $5 million on doing a study into Medicare unless you intend to privatise Medicare".
    I'd be thinking that the writing was on the proverbial wall.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2016
    9:19am
    MICK, I realise it is difficult for you to understand. The government are looking at getting waste to a minimum by efficiency. They investigated the possibility of privatising payment distribution, found that it was not worth the minimal payoff, then canned the idea. But you can be sure that they will look at reducing the abhorrent waste of taxpayer funds in updating systems and work practices etc.
    Adrianus
    21st Jun 2016
    9:23am
    I might add, in some places the town's biggest employer is the ATO and Centrelink. But don't ring the ATO on Friday afternoon because most of them are on the golf course working towards the 19th.
    MICK
    21st Jun 2016
    10:13am
    Respectfully I have to accept that spending $5 million on a 'study' is exactly as Bob Hawke says. You do not spend that amount of money for a minor tweak.
    I, like most other Australians, would be happy to make all systems more efficient but putting $5 million of taxpayer money into a study of a dubious nature does not convince me. I'd be happier if the big end of town with its tax dodges and offshore tax havens were chased rather than Medicare which is a system protecting us all. This is not a business like a bank you know!
    mangomick
    21st Jun 2016
    3:15pm
    It's called a Rostered Day Off Frank. Surely you don't begrudge some one a bit of leisure time seeing they have already worked the required hours to earn the rostered day off. Not related to Tony Abbott are you???
    Anne Ozzie
    20th Jun 2016
    11:48pm
    And you believe that????!!!
    Travellersjoy
    21st Jun 2016
    10:10am
    They will just bide their time until a new opportunity comes along.

    In the meantime they will run it down, reduce funding, meddle with the model so voters get frustrated and blame Medicare for not working properly. "Efficiency gains" is code for destruction. Just look at the damage to TROVE, CSIRO, ABC, SBS, and everything else the LNP have laid their black hands on.

    Trust Malcolm Turnbull? Sure can - TO CONTINUE WITH THE LNP PRIVATISATION AGENDA.

    Lies and equivocation are the norm for those with hidden and not so hidden agenda's.

    Spreading bulldust with bulldozers.
    Supernan
    21st Jun 2016
    12:45pm
    Since we retired in June 2013, we seem to have been dealing with non stop stress relating to our small part pension ! Guess they all hope the oldies will die of heart attacks if they continually attack us.

    Found Tony Abbotts broken promises almost unbelievable ! I never hide that I usualy vote Labor or Green - but I was not unhappy when Malcolm Turnbull got in. Thought he would be a different kind of leader. How wrong can you be !

    Why would they spend millions of Taxpayers dollars on a Privatisation plan for Medicare if it was not on the Agenda ?

    Poor Julia Gillard ! Julia was criticised for her accent, her clothes, her past, her family, etc. And she was female : She didnt stand a chance ! She partly broke a promise & got hounded to death ! John Howard broke the GST promise. Abbott broke dozens & his party didnt care.(Nor did the Media - owned by the wealthy who support LNP).

    Now Turnbull has broken all his past committments & promises & everything he said he stood for ! How can people vote for him ????????
    Old Geezer
    21st Jun 2016
    2:50pm
    I can't see what the problem is here. No body believes pollies these days.

    What ever will be will be.
    MacI
    21st Jun 2016
    5:06pm
    Mick, Wikipedia describes an Internet troll is one who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. It seems to me that it is your opinion that anyone who consistently disagrees with your left-leaning view of the world must be a troll - almost to the point that anyone who expresses contrary views is not welcome to put their opinion on this site. I think your accusations bring you closer to being a troll that those whom you accuse.
    mangomick
    21st Jun 2016
    5:18pm
    That's funny I haven't once heard Mick say,"Who's trip trapping over my bridge."
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2016
    8:45pm
    gotTheBlues, you are wasting your time, union organizer and labor troll mick and some of his identical twins, the likes of mango, super?, another member of his union, appropriate named misty, just wait till labor mick calls in his heavy brigade the likes of fast eddy, weather station, pauladapooper, plan b,etc, the lies of that mob have to be seen to be believed, as are those of their beloved and adored labor party, just see what labor is doing to the C.F.A, country fire authority of victoria, labor is selling out our volunteers to the unions, so the unions can override our local fire brigades., who have proved over many years to be superior to the so called professional union members, the best the so-called professional fire fighters could do during black saturday was playing cricket behind the fire shed, while the volunteers worked up to ten hours to save their neighbourhood farms and houses,, all labor wants is to pay their debts to the unions helping them into power, God help AUSTRALIA if labor gets in!
    Hope voters remember labor's quote, it is not worth the paper it is written on, it cost the victorian taxpayer $ 1.200 BILLION for a road never been build, that is what you can expect of labor, take your own, your kids and grand kids into your considerations before you cast your vote.
    Pamiea
    21st Jun 2016
    5:30pm
    I noticed a prescription medicine has gone up from $6.20 to $9.20 today! Only a 50% increase! What does this tell you?
    mangomick
    21st Jun 2016
    6:04pm
    Your chemist is taking his family on an overseas holiday.
    Anonymous
    21st Jun 2016
    7:43pm
    get yourself an honest pharmacist, I still pay $ 5.90 per prescription.
    jamesmn
    23rd Jun 2016
    1:46pm
    i would not trust turnball even if he signed his life away he has plans for medicare would not believe 1 word this idiot says have a good look at the so called tradie is in the liberal add at the moment he has the logo on his shirt removed talking utter bullshit no wonder koshie on sunrise on channel 7 has asked does anyone know him lies liberals lies.
    Anonymous
    23rd Jun 2016
    5:40pm
    it has been proven on the news that he is a real tradie, not only that, he got brains, a luxury many contributors to these columns are sadly missing!
    fish head
    23rd Jun 2016
    4:11pm
    If this is untrue then I wish they would gag Bill Shorten on the subject. He is becoming tedious the extreme.
    Happy Jack
    24th Jun 2016
    11:42am
    The LIEberal party Government knows full well that they don't have to flog off Medicare- all they have to do is reduce the entitlements. That's why they're still harping about co- payments and reducing the items we can claim against. As a result they will go a long way to achieving what has been their philosophical aim ever since the Labor party instigated health insurance. Bill shorten is right- they will abolish the scheme and they don't even have privatize it to achieve their selfish interests.
    Yep, we'll finish up like the Americans; the only care you'll get is what you can afford to pay for.
    If you are unable to cough up that's your fault, "don't complain to us- we're only the government".
    Happy Jack
    24th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Hey, Mick! I see Germsjerk 69 has raised it's ugly head again after going to ground from the outset of this campaign. Probably reckons TUMBLES TURNBULL is in trouble, having read the polls, and is coming to the rescue.
    Well he's in for a shock, for regardless of who forms Government the LIEberals will blow up and self destruct.
    Just take how the mad ABBORT is coming out from undercover and starting to snipe. Don't think for one minute that he ain't after his old job back. And TUMBLES knows only full well that ABBORT has a big block of conservative extreme right wingers backing him to the hilt.
    Gonna be really funny seeing Tumbles grovelling to Greens and Independents, hoping to form Government.

    P.S I see Germsjerk69's punctuation skills haven't improved. A good dash of Gonski would have worked wonders for the poor soul.
    Adrianus
    24th Jun 2016
    12:03pm
    Leigh Sales on the ABC 7.30 report asked Mr Shorten to, "put your hand on your heart and look Australians in the eye" and say the Coalition has a policy to privatise Medicare.

    Shorten could not do it.

    "I can say to the people of Australia that this election and their vote on July 2 will determine the future of Medicare," Mr Shorten replied.

    Bill Shorten has shown absolute disgraceful dishonesty and disrespect to all voters.
    poorwomanme
    24th Jun 2016
    1:37pm
    From an article published:
    ''But just a day after announcing the review, the Minister confirmed the MBS review was in fact another health cut, declaring, "We will also reinvest back into the Government's bottom line, important because we need to keep Medicare sustainable."

    So, having already ripped $60 billion out of health (including $57 billion cuts from hospitals over the next 10 years), frozen Medicare rebates for four years, and still pursuing further cuts by hiking the price of prescriptions and cutting the safety nets, the Minister is now making clear more cuts are to come, because, in her words, the only way to make Medicare "sustainable" is to cut it.''

    It would seem that Malcolm couldn't even lie straight in bed.
    Happy Jack
    24th Jun 2016
    2:01pm
    You're right on the ball poorwomanme- the crafty old foxes in the LIEberal party who believe they should always have their own way are dismantling Medicare by their devious means-: disallowing claims for cat scans, xrays, biopsy's etc, etc, along with freezing the doctors rebate for 8 years are only the beginning.
    If this LYING LIEberal party are returned Bill Shorten will be proved right in claiming that TUMBLES TURNBULL will demolish Medicare, and along with it any semblance of a fair and equitable provision of health services in this country.
    Only way to prevent his demolition is to vote no to TUMBLES Turnbull and the LIEberal party.
    Anonymous
    24th Jun 2016
    2:27pm
    great to see that brainless wonder jackass back and showing us his dumb and witless comments, please keep it up, we all can do with a laugh
    poorwomanme
    24th Jun 2016
    1:42pm
    I'm sorry Debbie McTaggart but this article you have either written or 'copy and pasted', would appear to be selective writing and shows a distinct political bias.
    That's not what 'YouLifeChoices' is supposed to be about.
    Anonymous
    24th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    you accusing the article of political bias, the pot calling the kettle black
    poorwomanme
    24th Jun 2016
    7:49pm
    heemskerk99, Any article written for YourLifeChoices should, in my never humble opinion, be written as facts known, not to a bias that can only be propaganda.
    As to my own bias, absolutely, I've never made any secret of my beliefs and quite happy to share them at each and every opportunity unlike yourself, who doesn't seem to have an original thought but loves to denigrate others for the sake of it, it would seem.
    With typical Dutch arrogance you write 6 comments and not a whisper of intelligence showing in any of them.
    Come back out of the 'naughty corner' when you have some ideas to share !
    Anonymous
    25th Jun 2016
    6:10pm
    "my never humble opinion" states enough in regards to your bias, if one does not agree with your opinion, he or she has to be biased, ever dawned on you, that it is you who is the brainless one
    poorwomanme
    25th Jun 2016
    8:59pm
    Hahahahaha, thank you heemskerk99, I won the bet.
    I considered whether to put that in and the bet was that some dickhead would take the bait.
    You won or more correctly lost, you silly little man, hahahahahaha.
    I love a good laugh while we're watching the Rugby.

    '' In my never humble opinion'' means I don't take these forums too seriously.
    You should learn that lesson and stop being such a dickhead.
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2016
    6:38pm
    poorwomanme, you just showed your true allegiance to the class you belong by your dumb, witless and unintelligent comments, no wonder you love the likes of union organiser and labor troll mick, the likes of jackass, the so-called, ha, ha drill sergeant, he will look into the barrel and pull the trigger just to make sure there is no bullet in it, sorry to say, there is not a brain between you lot, next time stand in line when brains are allotted,if that time ever arises, in your case, your chances are as much as winning tatts not twice, just once.
    Happy Jack
    24th Jun 2016
    3:49pm
    Bloody hard to have a sensible discourse, what with Germsjer69 back on the scene with his bullying tactics.
    As I said, some time back- when I was a drill Sergeant I'd have wimps like him crying for their mothers.
    Anonymous
    24th Jun 2016
    5:04pm
    LifeChoices joke of the week, a dimwitted jackass as a drill sergeant, still dreaming of Dad's army, old age is catching up very fast on poor old jackass
    poorwomanme
    25th Jun 2016
    9:01pm
    heemskerk99 is a wimp.
    I've seen stronger kittens than that pussy!
    Happy Jack
    24th Jun 2016
    7:36pm
    Geez'us! germjerks69's stuck his head up after being missing in action since the election was called.
    Looks like Tumbles Turnbull's party machine has held a gun to his head in the hope that they can get their star performer blazing away and pulling them back from the abyss.
    Anonymous
    25th Jun 2016
    5:53pm
    jackass thought you had to be at least a general, a drill serg, sounds like a piece of cloth to me, just keep the jokes coming
    PeteK
    25th Jun 2016
    4:15pm
    I'd be more concerned about the Alp's proposed look at reintroducing death taxes. Going back 10 years if someone died of natural causes and 30 years if caused by another reason. The mind boggles.
    Adrianus
    25th Jun 2016
    5:36pm
    PeteK, where did you hear of this? That is a concern.
    poorwomanme
    25th Jun 2016
    9:05pm
    Frank. PeteK is telling porky pies and huge ones at that.
    He might think it is funny to spread such lies but he had better think about the damage to someone's health he might inflict with such blatant bullsh*t!
    Anonymous
    26th Jun 2016
    7:03pm
    of course poorwomanme it is a porky, after all the labor party never tells a lie, just remember gillards promise, no carbon tax while I am in charge of the government, took less than a week to bring in the carbon tax, yet labor will never lie in poorwomanme's short and programmed labor induced cloned brain? wonder how many wires are there to the labor head quarters. it is obliviously by the poorwomanme name that the labor party uses their hacks with little entitlements for the work they put in for the party.
    ex PS
    26th Jun 2016
    1:56am
    I'm in London, I just heard an interview from one of the leaders of the leave the EU faction, he was asked about a promise he made about committing hundreds of millions of dollars to Health if his faction won. One day after the result he said that one of the major deciding promises of the campaign was a mistake and could not be fulfilled, it seems that politicians world wide have no problem lying to get what they want.
    Happy Jack
    26th Jun 2016
    10:24pm
    Hey, germsjerk69!! you're right- Gillard told a lie, one lie.
    What about your wacker of a prime Minister, the greatest embarrassment of a Prime Minister this country's had since Federation? you know very well who I'm referring to- Tony Abbortion, that's who. Australians will remember his vows- No carbon tax and of course-: no cuts to health, no cuts to pensions, no cuts to education, no cuts to the ABC, etc, etc. And now we've got this character who stabbed tony abbortion in the back and stole his job on the pretext that he'd have sensible debate, and changes to policy that would improve the economy of our country. Well the chickens have come home to roost- tumbles turnbull's an Abbortion dressed up in sheep clothing and Australians are increasingly waking up to his waffling bull*%^t.
    YEP! if you want more of the same, VOTE lnp.
    Anonymous
    27th Jun 2016
    2:49pm
    jackass, thanks, I definitely will follow your advise and will vote for the coalition,
    Happy Jack
    27th Jun 2016
    7:22pm
    Like a lamb to the slaughter, germsjerk69, a lamb to the slaughter!
    Anonymous
    28th Jun 2016
    2:14pm
    jackass, nothing better than a leg of lamb for my sunday roast, a few vic bitter beers while celebrating the election win, got a few quid on it, plus knowing the drill serge is crying himself to sleep.


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