16th Apr 2018
Government reduces migrant intake by stealth
Government reduces migrant intake by stealth

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton is calling for a reduction of Australian migrants, but the union movement is concerned that temporary visas are a bigger problem.

The Turnbull Government is publicly debating the possibility of reducing the cap on permanent migrants, even though, clandestinely, trends suggest it has managed to do so anyway.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has now entered the debate, saying that permanent migrants aren’t the problem, but the number of migrants on temporary work visas may be.

Speaking to Barrie Cassidy on ABC’s Insiders, ACTU Secretary Sally McManus expressed concerns about the Government exploiting migrant workers on one hand yet blaming them for all that is wrong with the economy on the other.

“We are shipping in exploitation and it is taking away jobs for local people,” said Ms McManus.

“So, if we wanted to do something about this issue, Peter Dutton could do something about that now and we should move away from this temporary idea of having guest workers and instead move to ensure we maintain a proper permanent migration system.”

While Ms McManus believes that we have too many people on temporary visas she wouldn’t say how many there should be.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott and other government factions want to reduce the cap on permanent migrants from 190,000 to as low as 110,000, believing such a move would reduce overcrowding and house prices.

And while no such capping policy has been created, reports suggest the national intake for 2017-18 will fall between 160,000 and 170,000.

Mr Dutton told The Australian that the 20,000 reduction is a result of the government having “tightened the screws” on visa approvals, as well as changes to visas for New Zealanders.

The Government has also introduced new rules to make it more difficult for poor migrant families to support their families, The Guardian reported last week.

Although Mr Dutton can’t ‘officially’ lower the cap due to Budget constraints, it would seem he has managed to do so anyway.

Do you agree with Ms McManus’s take on our migrant situation?

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    VicCherikoff
    16th Apr 2018
    10:34am
    Australia needs to slash its migrant intake to zero in order to control the current over-population and predicted rise in the population of 1.6%. This might not sound like much of a growth rate but the arithmetic factor to determine the doubling time is 70. Dividing this by 1.6 and the time for our numbers to double works out at approximately 43 years.

    This means that in less than half a lifetime, there will be twice the number of people driving cars, needing hospitals, schools buying homes etc. Can your local suburb or town handle that?

    Can our short-term politicians and governments without ministers of population even grasp this concept? Considering that many of the suburbs in which our politicians live will see the least growth, most of us will see twice the population in much less time. They will enjoy their leafy suburbs and we live in Hong Kong style apartments surrounded by more people than you would ever want around you. More social problems, More homeless people. More police. More corruption. More crime. Less green space, Less nature. Less wild biodiversity. No chance of sustainable ecosystems.

    Australia is limited in the quality of our soils and availability of water. Our focus on beef is unsustainable in terms of water as it takes 1000 litres of water to produce 1kg of beef.

    What will all these people drink? Cow blood?

    And what will we eat? Glyphosate-poisoned crops of falling nutritional value. More diseases of nutrition and more chronic conditions and early deaths.

    Yep. That is what our politicians have planned for us.

    Great to know we have the best that money can buy.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    10:39am
    Very good!
    Seadove
    16th Apr 2018
    10:53am
    Couldn't agree more as I have posted previously on same points. Just give it a go with zero intake for say ten years and see how it goes and then it can be reassessed. If the economy is struggling increase at nominal rate and reassess again. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism but the ability to simply feed us, grow crops and the right to employment.
    jackie
    16th Apr 2018
    12:29pm
    I agree...Australia needs to create industry for the population we already have instead of giving work to overseas countries and importing cheap labour. Farming should be a big industry here instead of inflating and selling our property market to China.
    Joy Anne
    16th Apr 2018
    12:50pm
    Could not agree more with your comments. Its a shame our govt has ruined a fantastic country.
    No more immigration until our country is in order. Could be 5 years or 10 years. No less.
    Also NO MORE REFUGEES at all since most of them have faked their documents and should be deported.
    Sundays
    16th Apr 2018
    12:55pm
    Well said Vic.
    Triss
    16th Apr 2018
    8:01pm
    Spot on VicCh.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Apr 2018
    4:16pm
    Joint Treasury-Home Affairs analysis highlights economic benefits of Australia's immigration intake ... The briefing, ordered by Treasury secretary John Fraser and Home Affairs secretary Mike Pezzullo in 2017 but delivered this year, found migrants boost the Australia economy by up to 1 per cent per year.
    What Australia needs is to Purge the Welfare Bludgers.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2018
    9:34am
    Vic when I was born the population was around 8,500,000. In my lifetime I have seen the number grow to 24,000,000. We live in a country with the lowest population density in the world. Its true that only 10% of the country is populated and that population is mainly situated on good farming land, but to restrict our growth to only births because of us oldies don't like traffic?? We will get the traffic regardless of immigration numbers. We have more than enough water. What we also have is an inability to manage our water resources and other infrastructure requirements because of political differences. One party starts building a road and the other party pays enormous amounts of taxpayers dollars to down tools. We also have a methodology requiring so much more time to complete a task. It takes us 60 years to build an airport now.
    Our problem is lack of leadership and continuity of decision making processes.
    To stop immigration all together while we build an airport is not the answer. It would be a handbrake on economic prosperity.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    10:37am
    Perpetually pumping hordes of Third World people into an economy to prop up demand for housing etc is a policy of the banks, not of the nation. Most congregate in the major city centres and have little to no wish to go outside their 'comfort zone' of their self-installed ghettoes, though I have noted some Africans working in regional areas.

    It is obvious from the mix of relatively untrained and unqualified people, that there is zero intention of ever putting this nation back on its feet as a tertiary producing nation - the aim is clear - we are to remain a Third World Banana Republic - and supply raw materials at bargain basement prices while buying back finished products at 'value added' in all ways, while watching our own economy disintegrate and go down the tubes for the many ......

    It is obvious that this is our place in the 'global economy' and our 'government' or Two Parties has signed on to this with an utter disregard for the long-term well-being of their own people.

    Add to that the mass introduction of people with no wish to assimilate and become fully Australian, but prefer to cling to their 'old ways' and remain in ghettoes rather than get out and about and become Australian - and the future is bleak.

    I spend a lot of time on another forum, and it continues to amaze me that some will blithely dismiss the 6% unemployed + maybe three times that under-employed as just 'normal' - when and where did they grow up?

    Anyway - the problem is not simply immigration or the mix of immigration - it is the canvas on which immigration is being painted, as a whole - along with all the other (lack of) policy directions current in this nation - immigration as currently played out is short-sighted and has no solid meaning for the future of this nation.
    George
    16th Apr 2018
    4:13pm
    mmigration is certainly an area destroyed by lack of sensible policy directions:
    a. Temporary immigration via 457 visas, as well as 444 visas for NZ people creating an indefinite amount of competition for jobs and resources here.
    b. Loose refugee policies - we should accept only those who can assimilate, not from anti-Western cultures such as Muslim, African cultures.
    c. Dutton's shifty policies add to the mess - he wants to get in white South African famers (because they are in trouble after a long racist past), also all kinds of people from NZ (backdoor entry for unqualified and criminal elements).
    d. Pathways for unqualified Indians and Chinese - via so-called Student visas which end up in them grabbing low paid jobs then seeking Residency.
    And so on.

    The best solution is to limit Immigration only to:
    a. Strongly-tested Skilled applicants via the Points system (including from NZ) with additional points for Christians,
    b. Family migration only for immediate family (with guaranteed no burden on taxpayer),
    c. Strongly tested Visas for very limited number of Temporary workers only for Essential Services (e.g. Doctors, Nurses, etc), and
    d. Accept Refugees only from English-speaking and similar cultural backgrounds. Tell the UN to manage the rest e.g. send Muslim refugees to Muslim countries (Africans to African countries, etc) where they can assimilate more easily.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    10:42am
    I'd have to agree that 'short-term' visas - 457s etc - are an issue. You simply cannot persuade me that Australia in incapable of providing engineers etc for a mining project...

    Of even worse significance is the offshoring of 'management functions' - such as accounting and such - which are all carried on outside our national borders and thus do not even provide income tax to this nation.

    No wonder some Asian nations will not permit a business venture unless it has a 50% local ownership..... but of course - we're 'better' than that...
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    10:47am
    The list of jobs that fit into this 'short-term' category would amaze you... airline pilots... nurses .... agricultural consultants .... (???)

    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/work/work/skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/combined-stsol-mltssl

    ... air conditioning mechanics..... ambulance officer ...amusement centre manager ..... apiarist ..baker ....beef cattle farmer ... bricklayer ....

    I am frankly astounded...... what the hell is going on here?
    Grateful
    16th Apr 2018
    11:19am
    Over a million UNfilled jobs going begging because WE haven't educated and trained those that are needed to fill them.
    We should be looking at the "quality" of our current Primary, Secondary and especially, Tertiary, courses and start teaching a training our kids for REAL jobs that they can commence immediately that they finish their education.
    The vast MINORITY of University graduates don't start work in their chosen professions!!! What an absolute WASTE of Billions of dollars in education!!!
    Teach and train OUR kids to do those jobs and you can kill four birds with the one stone.
    Eliminate temporary work visas, employ our University graduates, start collecting ALL HECS debts where hundreds of millions of dollars go uncollected, and significantly reduce immigration as the ultimate consequence!!!
    Rae
    16th Apr 2018
    12:30pm
    Yes Grateful. Closing down all the employment providers and bringing back a centralised government run CES would be a good idea.

    And get the TAFEs working again. I know the land they are on is valuable now. Tough . State Governments will have to get their funding from somewhere other than selling off all our assets.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:36pm
    I know plenty of pilots who would jump at the chance for a full-time job...
    Lookfar
    16th Apr 2018
    7:13pm
    Trebor, I think that it is not that Oz can not supply an engineer but that it is cheaper to import one, bringing up a child costs somewhere between half a million and a million dollars, let alone tertiary education, so yes in a way OZ can not supply that engineer, as we have not or will not spend the money to educate one.
    In the short term, the Govt saves money, but in the long term we become a nation of paupers, - we can't afford to get someone to fix our fridge, because it costs too much so we buy a cheapo from o/s, then the fridge fixers leave that profession, so we HAVE to buy from OS and the govt says we need OS engineers because we are too lazy, - just a blame game, and only because they are in power such a short time they can only think in the short term.
    We need to spend money big time on our education system, or that meanness and short sightedness will bite us on our bums big time.
    But children take many years to grow up, in the short term we need cheap engineers to generate the wealth to educate the children, - we are at the bad end of a long downward spiral created by short term, 'muddle through' politicians.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:34pm
    Hit it on the head, Lookfar.

    I always comment, when visiting the doctor, that Indian doctors have a leg-up - in India they get free education and then have to do a one year transition course to practice here... what that means is that our home-grown students are laden with debt before they can ever start, and so the student demand for those high cost places falls, and thus is created a false need to import more.

    How nurses could be in short supply here these days is way beyond me, with plenty graduating every year.

    Look at Sam Dastardly - he could have gone to med school - but he saw quickly that the road to politics was the road to an Alladin's Cave of riches and welfare beyond his dreams - without the work and the debt. No wonder people make such decision and leave the field open to imports who may or may not be of the same quality.
    KSS
    16th Apr 2018
    11:00am
    Its disingenuous of the unions to complain now over temporary visas when they were the ones demanding higher numbers to feed the mining, construction, hospitality and farming sectors in the first place!
    jackie
    16th Apr 2018
    12:36pm
    KSS Stop bashing the unions. The Liberal Government has been corroding them away for decades successfully. Blame the likes of Rinehart who wants all Australians to work for the same as in South Africa. $10 a day. Where was the mining trickle down effect? There wasn't any and there never will. It all went to her insatiable greed. Wakeup!
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    3:41pm
    Agree KSS. You cant trust them. They were railing against the Chinese taking jobs and all the time the bosses were getting their bills paid on a quid pro quo over the South China Sea .
    KSS
    16th Apr 2018
    5:53pm
    You are correct jackie, the unions are very rusty (corroded).
    Enjoy your sleep!
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:36pm
    Without the Unions, KSS and all the others, you and yours would be back in the early 1900's and most likely itinerant sheep shearers without a guaranteed wage rate. Even those on salary have their incomes pegged to the national wage case - with the worker's side presented by the Unions who do all the work for it.

    Honestly - many of you 'self-made' people - while relieving the Almighty of a terrible burden of guilt - are dreamers in your own lunchtime.
    Adrianus
    17th Apr 2018
    9:30am
    I don't know how industry would have progressed without unions. We would still be riding around the desert on camels. How about we erect a bronze statue of all the rich union bosses?
    Retired Knowall
    17th Apr 2018
    4:23pm
    Australian Industry progressed in the Past because the Union Movement and it's executives were working for the Worker and NOT Themselves. The last 30 years has seen the demise of manufacturing because Unions were infiltrated by bludgers whose sole aim was to feather their own nests and prop up their bludging mates.
    Ask yourself why union membership has fallen to less than 10%
    Hairy
    16th Apr 2018
    11:09am
    VicCherikoff I agree with you .
    Old Man
    16th Apr 2018
    11:17am
    I agree that immigration has to be scaled back, even for a short time, as most economists are telling us that high immigration is causing problems with housing, employment and jobs. I saw the "soft" interview with McManus on Insiders and was less than impressed. Her statements were allowed to go through unchallenged and Cassidy didn't ask any hard or embarrassing questions. Cassidy did ask about the 100+ union officers facing charges through the courts and McManus more or less told him that it was just a beat-up This is the woman who told us that if we don't like any laws that we should just break them.

    As regards employment, I have long since bothered to take any notice of the published figures about the level of unemployment. The rules about who is employed and who isn't are so loose that they have become a joke. If I am unemployed but I spend 2 hours mowing the mother-in-law's lawn, I am not counted. If I am employed but looking to change my jobs, I am considered to be unemployed. If I am part-time and want full-time, I am unemployed. Interestingly, whilst McManus and her organisation are whinging about CREO's earning millions and workers are employed part-time, she overlooks the statistics around part-time employment which have hovered around 20% for over 20 years. (This figure is obtained through ABS, not Centrelink.)

    All of this chatter about immigration has been raised by the Greens and those of the Left who have many strange ideas about how Australia should be run. Close coal mines, close coal and diesel fired power stations, open the borders to anyone who wants to join us, stop recreational fishing by making all of our coastline marine parks and stop deporting rapists, child molesters and murderers.
    Dave R
    16th Apr 2018
    11:25am
    Immigration should be reduced to families such as overseas spouses or partners. Also a limited number of people with specialist skills or talents or abilities.
    That would probably slash the intake by about 80%.
    We don't have the infrastructure to deal with the large numbers presently admitted, and I don't want this country turned into an overpopulated cesspool like you find overseas.
    Magic Touch
    16th Apr 2018
    12:03pm
    A country should have nice and proper train good migrant not those who come here for the benefit and demand more. Proper train good migrant know how to live properly and did not created problem to all our Australian peoples. A country with no migrant means that country will not move forward, as you know the world is moving so as a country and every one.
    Intake the right type of migrant it were benefit the whole Australia and every body, everything will had a growth. That mean every one not had to suffer like now.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:41pm
    Snowy Scheme did something like that - they learned a job and often a trade, and most turned out to be excellent citizens.

    I've long advocated that refugee claimants should be processed onshore, with the proviso that they enter into an infrastructure building project, learn a skill or a trade - and then even if refused refugee status - they can go somewhere with a marketable skill.

    Would at least offset the cost of detention and such if they were in productive work at the same time.

    Same should apply to immigrants - temporary for X years - prove yourself worthy.

    I know this smacks of the 'Starship Troopers' thing (the original book) - where military service will give you citizenship status on Planet Earth...... and which some deride as 'fascist' - but it works.

    One way to gain US citizenship is to serve in their armed forces for two years.
    Adrianus
    17th Apr 2018
    9:36am
    Very good post Magic Touch. It is clear that we have accepted many undesirables. When the World Trade Centre was attacked many Australians marched down the streets in celebration. It made me sick to the stomach to see what Australia has become.
    Fready
    16th Apr 2018
    12:10pm
    Politicians are difficult to convince that immigration numbers should be reduced because we have a
    n obligation to house all immigrants we bring here. This ensures employment in the housing business and allows politicians to brag about jobs "they" have created.
    I'm prepared to accept a lower standard of living to reduce congestion on our roads, reduce housing prices, lower competition for jobs, etc.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:42pm
    Not to mention the dear lady drivers who dead halt on an entry ramp to a freeway when there's nothing coming......
    Rae
    16th Apr 2018
    12:18pm
    The Government has not made it harder for poor migrant families at all. They can still do what many others have done and work a second job. Including this widow when the kids were young and dependent.
    The Government has simply ensured that if migrants want their elderly here they support them and not expect the Australian taxpayer to do so.

    There seems t be an attitude that the Government look after people but it isn't the Government at all but hard working families working 3 or 4 days a fortnight for nothing to pay for all of it.

    That's just not fair.
    floss
    16th Apr 2018
    12:24pm
    Bloody good comment Vic Cherikoff. Zero is the key amount ,recent immigration will cause a disaster for the next generation even more than then the trouble we have now.We have sold the farm to accommodate these people not for the good of Australia.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Apr 2018
    4:27pm
    Joint Treasury-Home Affairs analysis highlights economic benefits of Australia's immigration intake ... The briefing, ordered by Treasury secretary John Fraser and Home Affairs secretary Mike Pezzullo in 2017 but delivered this year, found migrants boost the Australia economy by up to 1 per cent per year.
    How much do YOU contribute to GDP?
    BERRYUPSET
    16th Apr 2018
    12:35pm
    Whatever we decide PLEASE MAKE SURE WE DON`T BECOME LIKE BRITAIN and GERMANY ETC..........What an immigration disaster..............................The cultures are
    unrecognisable now!
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:14pm
    The problem there in a word: ISLAM.
    Rosret
    16th Apr 2018
    12:41pm
    We are on the cusp on a Chinese takeover. Its not aggressive, culturally invasive nor detrimental to life as we know it - at the moment.

    How the face of Australia changes in the next 50 years will be significant. The British Empire established this nation.
    When the WW11 depleted its ability to protect and finance Australia we stood alone.
    By the 1970s England chose to become a member of the European common market, once again severing our economic ties as well.

    Asia and the USA are now our economic trade partners. Who protects this land and our 26 million people will be in the hands of our allies and our government policy makers - not any immigration policy.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:44pm
    Still working on my book, "Austrochine" .....
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:15pm
    The Chinese are thoroughly raping this once great nation.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    3:46pm
    The Chinese will make it greater. We just need to adjust to a can do attitude.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:37pm
    Feel free, Adrianus... we here do not subscribe to the concept of serfdom.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:38pm
    This nation would be better served tightening the rules on foreign investment etc.... which does NOT do this nation any good at all.
    Adrianus
    17th Apr 2018
    9:50am
    Do not subscribe to the concept of can do? Then do not subscribe to the concept of service to your neighbour? Your neighbour will not subscribe to it either. Then where does that leave us? We need the bully boys from the unions to force the issue.
    My philosophy of can do has served me well, I wouldn't have it any other way. Each to their own.
    RogerA
    16th Apr 2018
    12:51pm
    Hmmm, judging by the trends evident in comments to date, most respondents will not be voting for the party that is touting the "jobs and growth" mantra. Without immigration, Australia would be headed for serious shortages in almost all sectors of the labour market, owing to demographic changes, ageing population, etc. You should stop to think, "Are the problems I perceive due to Australia having too many people, or to Australia suffering from poor governments that implement bad public policies concerning our economy, infrastructure, town planning, decentralisation, transport, energy supplies, etc?"
    Sundays
    16th Apr 2018
    1:03pm
    Both Roger. We have too many people who don’t have jobs. I support skilled migration and a boost in the once great TAFE system.
    Sundays
    16th Apr 2018
    1:09pm
    I don’t support unskilled migration, disaffected youth with no jobs who form gangs, ghettos and enclaves where too few have jobs, migrants who take all the support they can get but criticise our way of life.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:46pm
    I noticed all those immigrants working in our tertiary industries and in worthwhile jobs in that thing put out by Mark Latham - where he interviewed endless people with little English coming out of a Centrelink office.
    Rosret
    16th Apr 2018
    1:46pm
    I don't know where you live RogerA but we live in area of 20-30% youth unemployment. The massive multistorey aged living coffin facility over the road from where I live is being built by foreigners.
    If we don't have enough tradies then why aren't we training them.
    The government wants a short term free ride. Close the TAFEs and import human resources.
    I hope you don't have children who need a job RogerA. "Jobs and Growth" - for whom?
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:56pm
    Same 'governments' whine about 'generational debt' etc handed down by 'baby boomers' - what a laugh.... I'd like some conspicuous spending to enhance my future debt prospects for a change....

    These 'governments' are the ones flooding the place with immigrants and causing the rise of the Hong Kong Villages we are seeing in once green, leafy and sedate suburbs...

    You could be lead to believe that Australians are totally incompetent and unable to do jobs in trades etc - yet my son, a tradie, and the ex's two sons, tradies - complain about the shoddy work the Third Worlders put in that they have to fix.....
    Rosret
    16th Apr 2018
    2:16pm
    RogerA - Australia has only had roads and towns for 230 years. I don't think anyone can really blame poor planning and infrastructure on such a young nation.
    We were built on the success and investment of the British Empire and with only 26 million it is hard to maintain that growth alone especially when its such a huge land mass.
    We are not like the USA who has fertile land from East to West coast.
    However, give us time - if we don't sell of everything - we will really prosper.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    3:51pm
    Yes Rosret we need a hundred more years and a lot more fertilizer.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:39pm
    Pol Pot used the middle classes as fertilizer... he may have had a point...
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    1:09pm
    We need more Muslim and Indian women to migrate to Australia. And we need them urgently.
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    2:23pm
    Why? Into "subservient" women are you? lol lol lol
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:17pm
    Wake up, Adrianus. We need Muslims and Indians like we need a hole in the head.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    3:34pm
    We must try everything to increase our birth rate. It is lagging at 1.8. Not good enough! These women could double that in no time at all!!
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:40pm
    Yes - but we're talking about quality breeding - not hare-lips and Siamese Twins and retards.....
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    8:11pm
    Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Trebor! Ouch!
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    9:46pm
    I know - ain't I a rotter?
    Rae
    17th Apr 2018
    8:20am
    Adrianus our birthrate was around 70 000 a year up until about 15 years ago.

    Last year it hit 311 000 births.

    Wishing 10 years we will have 3 to 4 million children under 10.

    Our birthrate is fine for an arid country with little water and poor soils.

    What we do need is the 600 to 800 missing schools to cater for this larger birthrate.

    And some forethought for the time 20 years from now when there will be 10 million under 20 all needing education, training and jobs in their futures.
    Adrianus
    17th Apr 2018
    9:57am
    Rae you make some valid points. The birth rate is important because it is a measure of births per female. As more woman enter the work force they have less time to be mothers. As more women marry other women they have less babies etc. The numbers need to relate to age blocks. We need to correct the disproportionate correlation between working taxpayers and welfare recipients.
    Rae
    17th Apr 2018
    12:40pm
    Yes but also consider the high rate of boomer women past childbirth years. Their children are now having babies and the grand daughters aren't far off being mothers also.

    Statistics are interesting but don't always present a clear picture of the situation when taken in bits.

    With the scarcity of jobs and automation and robotics gearing up we may not need extra income earners to pay the taxes just some means of getting money out of the multinational corporations.

    I like the idea of a transaction tax myself even though it upsets the tax avoiders.

    16th Apr 2018
    1:13pm
    Your article seems to imply that the government's 'clandestine reduction' of the total number of immigrants being taken into this country, is somehow sinister. I would totally reject that contention and would strongly argue that it is consistent with the wishes of the majority of the people - which is what a government should do. The infrastructure problems in Sydney and Melbourne alone, dictate that this should be so. As for the Union movement contention on temporary visas - go to places like Mildura in North western Victoria, where they are reliant on seasonal fruit pickers to bring in their crops. There are plenty of other towns/cities in the same boat. There you will find on a regular daily basis, scores, if not hundreds, of fit young Aussies, queued up for dole purposes, whilst the crop is harvested by people on temporary visas. Try pointing that out to the union movement brains trust - they just don't want to know!
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    1:50pm
    Unions are not there to force people to work, Big Al - they are there to protect the rights of members (and) workers.
    Rosret
    16th Apr 2018
    1:51pm
    Big Al those jobs used to be filled by uni students wanting to make money in the holidays to pay for their fees etc. Its amazing how we could manage in the 1970s but all of a sudden we need slave labour from overseas.
    Rae
    17th Apr 2018
    8:27am
    If Centrelink didn't have rules that deliberately make it hard for the unemployed to take up short term work and the Government hadn't regulated hundreds of thousands of 415 visa holiday trippers must work 88 days in rural jobs to stay then the young in our towns could pick fruit.

    Right now those picking fruit often do so for bed and food and to comply with government deliberate legislation.

    There is no organisation I know of providing Australian pickers to farmers on commercial terms. If you can get almost free labour why wouldn't you?
    floss
    16th Apr 2018
    1:40pm
    Climate change is on its way and the last thing you need is over population.Over populate and you will perish.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    4:00pm
    Whoa!! what's gonna happen in India and China?? And to top it off they're building a some serious numbers of Coal Fired Power Stations.
    Small is beautiful, especially during a Climate Change!!
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:43pm
    They're going to gas up the planet while we here wear our hair shirts over our miniscule contribution to 'global climate change' - if such a thing exists.

    Over-populated nations always carry the risk of massive disease outbreak - and one train crash in India kills hundreds... get Lawrence of Arabia in to help out... Union Carbide did their bit and copped a world of bad press for doing so....
    Rae
    17th Apr 2018
    8:30am
    All it will take for massive famines is the Northern and Southern Harvests to fail at the same time.
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    2:19pm
    Herald-Sun (Melb.) today - states that 1 in 4 migrants from Non-English Speaking countries have not been employed since 2006!!! Huge financial drain/impact on our Welfare system!! Joke!!

    Australia does not need more people on Welfare! Same article also stated all Non-Eng. Speak. migrants are entitled a $500 grant to "learn English" - doesn't happen in a lot of cases! Another "joke" !!
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    2:24pm
    We now have 1,000,000 people who cannot speak English. Should they be forced to vote?
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    3:00pm
    I sometimes have a young (25 ish yr. old?) Woolies delivery driver - who delivers my Online Shopping! Asked him a question the other day re delivery .. repeated it 3 times.. each time he "not understand" I just smiled and said "Oh just forget it - don't worry about it"!

    He just shrugged - smiled - and again repeated "No understand"!!

    So - how the hell did he get a drivers licence to drive a truck???

    BTW - Woolies outsource their deliveries to a huge trucking company - the drivers are NOT employed by Woolies! (Found that out awhile ago...)
    Rosret
    16th Apr 2018
    3:09pm
    What percentage of those would be female child bearing I wonder.
    Your delivery guy probably could speak English but is using it as an excuse not to speak to you.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    3:31pm
    Your delivery guy should get a job at Telstra customer service, it pays a lot more.
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    6:00pm
    lol lol lol funny :-)
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:46pm
    The way to handle those is to reply in the same tone...

    "Allo.. this Trebor...how 'r you? I calling for United Insurance.. you got car insurance?"

    Got the best one today - mobile rang - and a voice came on - recorded - and started ranting in Chinee-speak about something or other... normally I'm too courteous to hang up, but this time it was easy.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2018
    2:32pm
    How can we possibly expect temporary working visas to be minimised or limited. If a foreign company wants to open a branch in Australia then why make life difficult for them by refusing them the right to existing skill sets? A short term visa for start ups works well for all. We can all think of things that make life difficult for industry, but how about we think of what can be done?
    Bes
    16th Apr 2018
    2:33pm
    Why do our Government (s) insist on bringing or attempting to bring other nations to our shores and bring their beliefs, religions and troubles with them and think that they are making the world a better place?
    There are hundreds who are under surveillance at a great cost to the taxpayer.
    Some plan and want to kill us in our streets!
    This is Madness!
    And then because of an overloaded welfare system....which they caused....Australian Pensioners are now being referred to as (beneficiaries) and a load upon the welfare state!
    Who the hell do they think worked, paid tax, built houses and raised kids while funding the Welfare system, Government services AND Foreign Aid??
    But I suppose we only have ourselves to blame as we keep on voting for the same old..same old one or the other and hope for change? WE GET WHAT WE VOTE FOR.
    Foxy
    16th Apr 2018
    2:52pm
    ... not a lot of choice unfortunately Bes .... all totally useless! :-(
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:20pm
    "Some plan and want to kill us in our streets!"

    Yes - and they're called "Muslims".
    Drewbie
    16th Apr 2018
    2:42pm
    Hello folks; I agree with a some, ( but not all ) opinions re annual immigration quotas stated by the likes of Vic Cherikoff, Treboar, Grateful, etc, to name but a few. Zero immigration for at least decade, then re-assess as Seadove suggests definitely has some merit & is worth seriously investigating.

    Quite frankly there must be a passionate Federal Government in the not to distant future that will politely thumb its nose at the UN & the European Union, saying . . . . "Australia always first & foremost " along similar lines to President Donald J Trump's ( Make America Great Again ).
    Example: Do away with the likes of, Internationally imposed Climate Change, replace multi-lateral trade obscenities with bi-lateral, fair trade agreements that mutually benefit each trading partner. Us & Japan, Us & China, Us & Thailand, Us & Indonesia, Us & individual European Countries: Withhold our required annual billions To the UN until they are able to prove that " Our Money " is not being funneled to various known terrorist groups, instead of to where it will do the very most " G O O D " . . . . no doubt you get my drift.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:24pm
    Internattionally "imposed" Climate Change? Anthropogenic climate change is REAL, but not "imposed". Overpopulation, waste and excessive consumption fuel it.

    I agree with you regarding the 'United' Nations - a sick joke.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    7:48pm
    The only problem with National Socialism is that the NAZIs and Mussolini had first shot at it...

    Trebor - Treboar, Trebore - decisions, decisions...
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    9:49pm
    Australia to declare independence - Auxit? Or Oxsit?
    MICK
    16th Apr 2018
    3:03pm
    Migration of all manner needs to be drastically cut as Australia does not need more people to fill jobs which are not there. Many migrants will simply drop onto the end of the unemployment queue and that is exceedingly bad for a country which has closed down manufacturing and which survives on selling minerals and mining businesses and property, including our prized farming land, to foreigners.
    I for am am fed up with the manner in which successive governments have no respect for our country. We do not need more people.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:25pm
    Drastically cut immigration - to ZERO.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Apr 2018
    3:10pm
    It's simple: Stop ALL immigration, and stop it NOW! We're full.

    Immigration has destroyed social cohesion, and has overwhelmed our infrastructure - particularly in our larger capital cities. Islam in particular is a huge threat; the huge number of Chinese and Indians here are interested only in exploitation and owe no allegiance whatsoever to this country.

    I cannnot stand the butt-ugly Dutton, but he might just be right on this.
    Kali-G
    16th Apr 2018
    5:45pm
    Spot on comment! NO to ISLAM/MIDDLE EASTERNERS.....follow the example of HUNGARY!
    Blossom
    16th Apr 2018
    3:35pm
    Let's face it. Wed do NOT have enough water now. Not even enough to sustain our fruit and vegetable industry. If we can't grow our own food, how can we support more people. Too much of our food comes from overseas already. The only food items that should be coming from overseas that I can think of are tea, coffee, and alcohol that can't be produced here at all.
    Anonymous
    16th Apr 2018
    3:49pm
    You know Blossom, I am saddened by the misinformed comments of people like you, in relation to water. This continent has plenty of water - just not in the right places! A very smart business man by the name of Richard Pratt (now deceased) suggested over 20 years ago that we should investigate diverting some of the water from the Clarence River (in northern NSW - runs through Grafton, from memory) and turn it inland - say 10 per cent. The river system on the New South Wales coast north of and including the Hunter, are magnificent bodies of water. I live on the Murray, and quite frankly they make the Murray look like a creek. In 1897 the Western Australian government commenced a pipeline from Perth to the Kalgoorlie gold fields (for water). If they could do that then, with the technology we have available today, it would surely be relatively simple. The water could also possibly be used to generate power. So what are the obstacles? The lack of vision of our elected representatives for one; and the nay saying imbecilic attitude of the Greens - supporters and MPs - number two. If and when the Chinese eventually wrest control of this country - likely within the next fifty years, I predict this will be one of their priorities.
    Adrianus
    21st Apr 2018
    10:01am
    True Big Al, the argument that we don't have enough water and therefor we should stop people drinking it is a cop out to cover up our inability to solve problems. We just need to look at the volume of water which floats down our water ways into the ocean? As I've previously stated we have idiots managing our infrastructure requirements. Is there a single one of them who would put our needs for water above their personal needs?
    Blossom
    16th Apr 2018
    3:39pm
    The only other exception is where a company has advertised jobs and not enough have applied at all. e.g. a meatworks in SA advertised jobs, even came on Talk Back Radio and appealed. They brought people from overseas on visas. One of the conditions of their jobs is they have to go to school at night and learn to speak & read English. They are helped to find somewhere to live. They are picked up before work and taken home by bus after work
    Curious
    16th Apr 2018
    6:00pm
    I am glad everyone agrees that immigrants are only one of the variables in the equation for a healthy economy. For the start, Australia is a melting pot for many different types of migrants since the inception of our colonisation and Federation.

    Our prosperity has been built on migrants throughout the last two centuries. While we are proud of our heritage, we are all Australians to build a better life, not just for ourselves, but for generations to come.

    Let have a look, what types of migrants do we take in. According to Bureau of Statistics, over the period of 2005 to 2015, the composition of our migrants are as follows: -

    "Over the last 10 years, the proportion of the Australian population who were born in the United Kingdom decreased from 5.6% in 2005 to 5.1% in 2015. Conversely, the proportions increased for people born in New Zealand (from 2.1% to 2.6%), China (from 1.1% to 2.0%) and India (from 0.7% to 1.8%)".

    "In terms of Australia's population growth, for the top 50 countries of birth (excluding Australia) at 30 June 2015, persons born in Nepal had the highest rate of increase between 2005 and 2015 with an average annual growth rate of 27.5%. However, this growth began from a small base of 3,800 persons at 30 June 2005. The second fastest increase over this period was in the number of persons born in Pakistan (13.1% per year on average), followed by those born in Brazil (12.7%), India (11.3%) and Bangladesh (9.7%). Of the top 50 countries of birth, the fastest decline was for persons born in Serbia, with an average annual decrease of 1.4%, followed by persons born in Poland (1.3%)".

    I wonder, what ethnicity of migrants or all of them both Tony Abbot and Peter Dutton would like to reduce. Particularly, our migrants intake in terms of percentage of population is the almost same 28.8 % in 1894 (number of person not known) as 28.2% in 2015 (approximately 6.7 million persons. If Australia could coup with migration in 1894 but can't coup the same percentage intake in 2015 onward, questions need to be asked why? Can we no longer share our bounties with those come to our shore for our land so rich and rare have been sold out to foreign owners?

    The stagnation of our wage growth is a major concern for households with a family to feed as well as for the Federal Government to balance their budget deficit. Lower wages provides lower taxes to the coffer. So the prime suspect would be the 457 visa for competitions with our basic wage. Let have a look of the statistics to see whether this argument will stack up.

    According to Bureau of Statistics, in 2013/14 we had a net overseas migration( NOM) on temporary visas of 124,866 or 67% of the total intake, of which 28.3% were higher education sector, 17.7% visitors ( tourist, business, medical treatment), 14.7% working holiday, 8.7% students and temporary work skilled (457 visa 10,889 or 5.8%).

    I am not sure, 10,889 457 visa persons in a workforce of 11.75 million would make a big difference in lowering our wages unless there is a huge underground workforce, which Bureau of Statistics didn't manage to capture. Alternatively, I got to the wrong Website.

    For Permanent Visas, we have a NOM of 74,927 in 2013/14 or 40.2% of the total intake. of which 17.4% of skill migrant, 16.1% of family visas, 7.0% of special eligibility and 6.5% New Zealand citizens.

    Based on the statistics collected by the Bureau of Statistics, we have a very balanced intake of migrants and more to gain out of this composite of migrants than reducing them. Then why some of our politicians advocate less migrants to solve the housing affordability problems, wage stagnation, budget deficit, tax reform, equitable distribution of wealth in our economy and looking after our senior citizen.

    As I said earlier, migration is only one of many variables in the equation to run the national economy in the global environment. Smaller government through privatisation would be a devastated disaster, particularly, lack of long term vision for the nation beyond three years and not developing an environment for research and development in view to taking Australia's competitive advantage to the world stage. Years of neglect in infrastructure with years of migration can take a toll. Please don't blame migration when successive governments turn a blind eye to migration's needs.

    Yes, our land is rich and rare but our people are more previous, well educated and talented. Please invest in them before they are grossly under-utilised and their talents wasted. Numbers of jobs are important to all workers but empowerment in jobs would also save the souls of the workers. Please don't treat them like a dummy, as the politicians treat their voters.
    TREBOR
    16th Apr 2018
    9:58pm
    To put it simply - this nation's leaders have deliberately divested the nation of its infrastructure underpinning of industry and genuine investment and development that actually assists the nation as a whole, as opposed to assisting greatly a few.

    Therefore - the continued imposition of tens of thousands of new people here, with no industry infrastructure to absorb them and even give them a genuine opportunity to prosper and own a home etc - without resorting to crime and such - is over-burdening the nation's employment and is generating more and more reliance on government support.

    If you even begin to include in that the fundamental infrastructures such as roads and rail and such - you will see that this never-ending addition of more and more people with no work is over-burdening the entire infrastructure of the nation as it now stands.

    That is why I advocate that all such be engaged on infrastructure projects, such as the Snowy Scheme was, learn a trade other than sitting at a cafe with a coffee and discussing the passing world, and actually generate further and future genuine opportunities for themselves, their descendants and everyone else who lives here.

    On the subject of the 'splitters' who wish to behead people for not following their religion - we have no place for them... and it's hasta la vista, Baby! Their decent citizen mates can stay.... but three strikes and you're out.... yay - unto the third generation.

    (dumped via black chopper at darkest midnight drear back in Sandland and allowed to find their own way with their chosen people - without us!)
    Curious
    17th Apr 2018
    3:44am
    TREBOR, what you said is true of few immigrants or refugees came to our country. To magnify this minority's problem to a national problem doesn't seem to be fair.

    Majority of the migrant intake are highly skilled in the higher education sector or professionally skilled. This trend of immigration intake is supported by the data collected by Bureau of Statistics.

    Most of the lowly skilled migrants are working in jobs that most Australians would not take. There are industries in Australia, which exploit this unfortunate group. However, our system is catching up these industries. This doesn't mean this minority group has lowered our basic wage or causes the wage stagnation. The cause of the stagnation is big companies refuse give wage rise to their employees and they are getting away with it.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Apr 2018
    4:42pm
    FACT CHECK
    Joint Treasury-Home Affairs analysis highlights economic benefits of Australia's immigration intake ... The briefing, ordered by Treasury secretary John Fraser and Home Affairs secretary Mike Pezzullo in 2017 but delivered this year, found migrants boost the Australia economy by up to 1 per cent per year.
    Curious
    17th Apr 2018
    4:58pm
    Knowall, does it mean I have been exonerated? Apparently, the Joint Treasury-Home Affairs analysis used the same statistical data I used, as collected by Bureau of Statistics. This analysis is based on the same line of argument I presented herewith. I hope, this will calm the alarmists in this column.
    Retired Knowall
    18th Apr 2018
    2:31pm
    No it wont Curious, the "Chicken Little " Sky is Falling group on this site waffle on regardless of FACTS.
    Curious
    18th Apr 2018
    3:08pm
    Hehehe, they will learn the hard way.

    At least they have a platform to air whatever is bottled inside them.

    Thanks for the FACT CHECK.
    Jtee
    16th Apr 2018
    8:45pm
    Well said VicCherikoff. Full agreement.
    TREBOR
    17th Apr 2018
    2:57am
    People find it a strange thing and cast all kinds of nasty aspersions at it - but the basic principle that you may not become a citizen of a nation until you have EARNED your way, actually makes a lot of sense.

    What that means is that if you and your descendants do not actively participate and contribute to the nation - you quite simply do not have citizenship there - and in the event of wrong-doing above a specified scale - you may be deported back to the land you or your parents or grand-parents came from, unless in the meantime you have proven yourself (or they have) of citizenship.

    If you do not wish to be part of this nation 100% - the door is wide open.

    I know that such an concept is anathema to many who are bonded to the current idea that all humans are equal etc, and that if you are born here you automatically assume citizenship - but look around you......

    Given the chance how many would YOU deport in an instant? The drug dealers? The gang war people who kill their opponents in front of their families? The thieves and robbers who defraud genuine social initiatives such as childcare and even education of children? The serial Social Security people who are a generational burden on the nation and make no genuine effort to rise above a perhaps humble beginning?? The violent gang members who engage in theft, violence, shootings, assaults, home invasions and such as a way of life?

    Why NOT say that unless and until you prove yourself worthy of Citizenship HERE in THIS nation - neither you nor your descendants will enjoy the benefits of citizenship? Why NOT say - EARN YOUR CITIZENSHIP - not just receive it as a gift for being here for a certain time - and if you prove yourself unworthy - you do NOT receive it, and nor do your descendants until they, in turn prove their worthiness - in which case any of you may be deported for criminal and anti-social behaviour .

    **dons Kevlar.. awaits incoming** somebody has to say it.....
    floss
    17th Apr 2018
    8:04am
    Immigration the greatest con ever pulled on Australians
    Adrianus
    17th Apr 2018
    10:07am
    We need to increase our numbers so we don't look like an easy target for more invaders. They're working their way down to us. Indonesia has fallen, New Guinea has all but. We are next and I can tell you the Aborigines are not gonna be happy.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Apr 2018
    7:47am
    We don't need increased numbers. We can't keep up infrastructure growth to service the growing population now!

    We'll ALWAYS be an easy target because of the vast expanses of uninhabitable land. If a foreign invader wanted to take Australia, there's nothing we could do to stop them. They only have to land vast numbers in the NT or northern WA. We can arrest them, but how would we feed and house hundreds of thousands of prisoners of war? In no time at all, we'd be overrun, no matter what our population. We don't have the food production capacity, water, and capacity to create shelter for a large imprisoned invasion force. Thankfully, to date, we haven't had to face that threat - possibly partly because of our alliance with the US. Would-be invaders know their country is at risk of annihilation if they invade Australia because the US would retaliate. Population won't help us. It will only make us weaker because we don't have the resources to support rapid population growth.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Apr 2018
    7:52am
    As for the Aborigines - it's time they got a wakeup call and learned some gratitude and fairness. Australia has a sad history, but whites were abused and suffered injustice too. Billions are being spent making reparation, but the greedy are never satisfied, and note that the loudest whingers have university degrees and professional salaries.

    The past is the past. There were lots of wrongs that hurt lots of people, but we'll NEVER go forward while whingers carry on about it and make unfair demands for handouts and concessions. Get over it! The Chinese-Australians did, and they suffered far worse abuse than Aborigines ever endured. But they had self-respect. Aborigines who have self-respect have done very well. Those who don't CANNOT be helped, because you can't help those who won't help themselves.
    Retired Knowall
    18th Apr 2018
    2:40pm
    I believe you will find that they have all done very well.
    It's interesting that the FIRST question on any Govt document is "Are you of Aboriginal or Torres Straight Islander Decent". Out of interest I put Yes on a questionnaire I completed some time ago and I was blown away by the service and concessions I received. You should try it.
    Magic Touch
    17th Apr 2018
    10:59am
    Don,t get mixup migrant and refugee are two diffrent type. Migrant come to Australia with proper skill and willing to go work for the money and pay tax are the good migrant. Migrant that come to Australia with huge amount of wealth did not do any work those are the crook that screw up the Australia economy by pushing up house price. Than came the Council go up with rocket high rate in which pansioner had to foot those high bill and this goverment are greedy for the money so it fall into their plan, and so on.....
    Refugee are those who put the shouder load of hard work on the goverment and in turn the load go to all the tax payer to foot those bills. Train refugee are very good migrant better than those crook migrant who use the house and land trading to make money for their own pocket. This goverment did not know a pansioner house had many many vaule to the pansioner it self and was made to sell it to pay those rocket high goverment bills. Investment house and apartment to generate cash flow for the pansioner to use was rob of with land tax, so it,s it a very bad thing for those pansioner who try to make ends meet. The goverment fall into this trap and use the pansioner to fix it. Can,t they leave the old age Australian pansioner alone, not those uni student that bring in their mum&dad they had no right to claim pansion because they did not pay any tax to the Australian.
    MD
    17th Apr 2018
    5:31pm
    I began to wonder what the Mad Monk was up to recently when seen on TV warmly embracing Pauline.

    Since reading a number of recent articles pertinent to the refugee/migrant issue it seems to me that Pauline must have developed a receptive ear whilst serving fish n chips. Conservative, liberal and 'lefty' bent governments the world over that have/are experiencing an influx of peoples are having second thoughts due to resident backlash/feedback re the full ramifications bought about by the sheer numbers of new arrivals. France, Germany, Britain to name a few and some other existing members of EU are refusing to adopt the EU rulings for accepting these (so called) misplaced peoples.

    Regardless of what anyone thinks about political persons or party(s) it would seem that the current lot have begun to rethink the migrant issue. Maybe Pauline is on the cusp of realizing her glory days. If push comes to shove you can bet Tone may even be readmitted to the ranks of the select few and Poorlean will assume the former role of that held by Peta Crettin - what a team !
    Sophie
    18th Apr 2018
    9:29am
    I’m wondering if the vast majority of migrants to this country were Anglo Saxon would there be such a hue and cry! I feel many who are against immigration have simply not given a lot of thought to the consequences of not having a healthy immigration policy. The simple fact is.. the relationship between immigration and economic growth is a very important one..the more people you have the bigger your economy..more people buying and more people providing services.Take a walk in our hospitals..aged care facilities etc…it’s the migrants who keep it going. Migrants are not afraid to work hard..and despite the common misconception that new immigrants flock here only for the social security benefits..most are known to be desperate for work and are prepared to do any job..

    Australia..like it or not.. will need both unskilled and skilled workers as the number of people over 70 is set to double in a few years..we need these people to care for the elderly because the young white Australians will not..

    In my opinion.. there is nothing wrong with boosting our growth through immigration..immigrants introduce diversity and that is a great thing for a country such as ours. The responsibility does not rest solely with our government.. but.. it makes no great sense to overly tax large corporations so that they feel discouraged in providing work for all. In addition..if we have migrants we have to have increased infrastructure..

    Having said that..the rest of the responsibility lies with each and every one of us..until we recognise the advantage of immigration..we will not benefit from it..
    Leon
    18th Apr 2018
    9:43pm
    Vic,
    Pity your view weren't taken up by our "learned politicians" .
    Yes ,firstly get our country back to prosperity & stop immigration until then .
    Sophie
    19th Apr 2018
    10:28am
    May I ask how you propose "getting our country back to prosperity"?
    Stopping immigration until we do that will not work..migrants built this country for a start.

    One of Australia's greatest economic assets is having young, hard-working migrants. With their diverse and rich cultural background they can economically, politically and socially contribute to grow Australia's strength and affluence.

    However..it does make sense to be a little more choosy in whom we extend our invitation..
    Magic Touch
    19th Apr 2018
    10:31am
    Only Genuine Rainey you are right we had to get on. Like the news come some time ago, it happen in Boxhill Victoria. The speaking (bow tong kur) chinese was beten up no Chinese Australian come to help.
    That so no respect same like our goverment now so no respect to it,s own peoples something is going to happen.
    If every one so no respect in Australia you will know what will happen, like any thing you do, talk,driving an so on...
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2018
    8:28am
    I agree Magic, when I was a school kid if we crossed the line we were caned by the headmaster. It may have been harsh but this soft approach to discipline is not the answer either. Everyone wants to be a victim these days. A friend of mine recently told me how his home was robbed, 2 cars were stolen as he chased them off. The teenagers were caught and charged with a string of offences. They were let off with a warning because apparently they are the "real" victims.
    Australia's collective morale is dropping because of this inappropriate mindset.
    johnboy
    20th Apr 2018
    8:10am
    the whole world is overpopulated, all we need to do is to stop bonking for a while,Bur hay, thats never going to happen is it.


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