Help Australia’s bushfire victims without making a big deal of it

The PM may have made a big deal out of helping Australia’s bushfire victims, but you don’t have to.

firefighters fighting fires

Australia is burning.

More than 200 fires are still blazing on millions of hectares across the country.

The human death toll has hit 23. Six people are missing.

More than half a billion animals are dead.

Hundreds of homes have been razed.

During this time, our Prime Minister found time for a family holiday and his office created a political advertisement lauding the government’s response and assistance to fire-ravaged communities.

Former prime minister John Howard has praised Prime Minister Scott Morrison for his handling of a very difficult crisis.

This is the same leader who initially said he wouldn’t financially support our volunteer firefighters because they wanted to be there.

Still, Mr Howard says it’s time for us to move on from the PM’s ill-timed family holiday and work together during this crisis.

“It’s obviously an incredibly difficult time for the country,” Mr Howard told the Herald Sun.

“I don’t think he’s interested in the next opinion poll, if you want my opinion, I think what he wants to do now is make certain all of the responses are the right ones. In a federation like Australia, working closely with the states is the most important requirement a federal government has.”

Another former PM, Kevin Rudd, has slammed Mr Morrison for turning a time of crisis into a political advertisement, saying the PM is no longer fit to lead the country.

“For God’s sake! On a day we have catastrophic fire conditions, in the midst of a genuine national crisis, Morrison, the marketing guy, does what? He releases a Liberal Party ad! He is no longer fit to hold the high office of prime minister,” Mr Rudd said on Twitter.

Mr Morrison has defended his actions, saying he was simply providing information the public had been seeking on the government’s response.

“The postings that we've made in messages have been to inform the community about what the commonwealth government is doing,” he said.

“Let me assure Australians, the purpose is to communicate as simply and helpfully as we possibly can about what the government is doing to get resources to get support to those places that need it.

“And over analysis of these things can create unnecessary anxiety and we're simply seeking to help people know what we're doing.”

The government has sent HMAS Adelaide to help evacuation efforts from towns on the Victorian coast, has called up 3000 army reservists to assist in extraction and recovery and put $20 million towards leasing four more water-bombing aircraft.

The PM has been accused of political grandstanding and, according to Neil James from the Australian Defence Association, politicising the defence force.

“The intention of the ad (video), exemplified by its nature & the speed of its production, is a clear breach of the non-partisanship convention,” he said.

“It is also completely unnecessary given the prior departmental and ministerial media releases publicly explaining ADF support to rural fire services.”

Former premier of Victoria Steve Bracks also chimed in on the video.

“Wow. It is hard to go much lower than advertisements spruiking the Federal Governments response in the middle of the Nations bushfire crisis,” he tweeted.

Regardless of public and political opinion, the government has come to the party with valuable assistance. And support has come from far and wide. Australians are banding together to provide food, shelter, clothing and assistance. Celebrities have also generously donated millions in financial aid.

You can help Australia’s bushfire victims through the following outlets.

Is the PM guilty of political grandstanding or are you happy with his leadership?

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    Bazza51
    6th Jan 2020
    10:29am
    The trouble with all this is that he is damned if he does and ( on this left leaning site ) if he doesn't. People were calling for the army to be called in previously, but under states rights this can only be done if the state calls for it and none of them have, in fact have said they have the resources necessary. Morrison has now gone against that convention and sent them in but still gets slammed. There are other state ministers on holiday but not much gets said. I could go on but won't, can't wait for all the old commies on here to slam me.
    Horace Cope
    6th Jan 2020
    11:14am
    The Hawaii holiday was booked before the fires started and the PM has a young family. Like all other working Australians, he is entitled to some time off. I note that the Premiers of both Queensland and Victoria were also away on holidays but there was no mention of this in the media. As fire fighting is a state matter maybe more should have been made of their absence. The media has also criticised the PM for stating the obvious that fire fighting is a state matter as well as not telling Fitzsimmons that the ADF was being called in. He advised the Premier who apparently didn't get around to telling her fire chief yet somehow it's all Morrison's fault.
    Paddington
    6th Jan 2020
    11:19am
    Commies? So, if people do not agree with you they are communists?
    I think you will find many who voted for him are also angry and that is how they feel and you cannot judge unless you are also homeless from the fires.
    Emotions are running high and it is distressing enough watching it unfold let alone being one of the victims.
    This government is owned by the likes of Palmer which makes it hard for them to do the right thing.
    Horace Cope
    6th Jan 2020
    11:31am
    There you go again, Paddington, making sweeping generalisations without any substance. Who are the many who voted for him that live in the electorate of Cook that are angry? Why do I have to have my home burn down before I can offer a comment? Your comment about Palmer is, as usual, wrong and what is the "right thing" that you claim that the government has not done?
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:04pm
    Bazza51, Horace Cope, I agree with your comments. Reasonable and educated people understand how the Federal, State, Local Government and ADF system of protocols and chain of command operates.Unfortunately, deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas, don't.

    Many leading politicians took holiday leave during the summer break including the Labor Premier of QLD who went on an ocean cruise while part of QLD was burning but, there was no outrage against her.

    It is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people's character. These characters, in my opinion, are not the real Australians, that we admire and respect.
    Sen.Cit.90
    6th Jan 2020
    12:13pm
    Yes Horace, What do the critics of Scomo want? He is doing what he can. What is expected of him? He is not responsible for the fires or the tackling of them, he can only offer support.
    He has no magical powers that some critics seem to think he has.
    Paddington
    6th Jan 2020
    12:55pm
    HC, yeah there I go again lol. I doubt people will own up to voting for ScoMo at the moment but they must have as there he stands. Of all the people who have suffered loss at least half have voted directly or indirectly for the LNP. Where does it say above that it refers to one place? Fires have happened around the country.
    Bazza made the comment about commies so that does not refer to you.
    Palmer needs to be rewarded for helping the LNP get back in. No doubt about that!
    What has this government not done? Let me see, I will pick one.
    They have failed to address climate change and continue to do so!
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:28pm
    I say damn him anyway - those water bombers could have been in the pipeline (sic) weeks ago - we've been struggling with fires for four months now... people are dying, and animals, in fires that should have been water bombed at their start.


    NSW East Coast:-

    https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me
    Viking
    6th Jan 2020
    3:16pm
    Horace, Cope, your biased views have led you yet again to tell an untruth, We live close to the area where the fires started and we have a note in our diary dated 15 September 2019 stating "over the last few days the dense smoke from the bushfires have shrouded the nearby hills." This soon became an emergency in which many houses were destroyed and two people were killed and it only got worse from then onwards. This was a clear three months before the PM's hokiday. Morrison stated on his return from Hawaii that he booked the holiday six weeks before departure. You clearly distorted the truth to suit your own political views.

    When a PM needs the support of one of the architects of one of the world's other ongoing human disasters in the Middle East leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the displacement of millions yet still fails to take responsibility for the refugees so created, you know the PM is in trouble.

    We expect servicemen and firefighters to put their country ahead of family and they do so routinely and with little reward. The very least we can expect of a man who claims a mandate to lead the country as PM is to do the same. That he doesnt understand the role and responsibility he has accepted raises serious questions about the PM's judgement. He 'can't hold a hose' he claims, this is the man who tells the unemployed "those who have go get a go." What a hypocrite! Its amazing what you can do when you take your hands out of your pockets. I've been holding a fire hose since the firs started and I'm in my seventies.
    This is an 11.59 PM, one more slip and its midnight for his political career.
    Gra
    6th Jan 2020
    3:21pm
    So many fools talking about stuff they know nought about. Fools saying we should have more water bombers - completely at odds to what our fire chiefs say. Too many in the air and it is just a recipe for disaster plus the lack of personnel trained to service them.
    I don't mind admitting that I didn't vote for the Libs or Nats but by the same token no way would I have voted for Labor (gave up on them many years ago) or the Greens, BUT I will say my preferences were directed toward the LNP and I stand by what Morrison has done.
    So many people show their ignorance by saying Scomo should have done this with ADF and he should have done that but they are obviously ignorant of the protocols.
    Horace Cope
    6th Jan 2020
    3:25pm
    Sorry Paddington, I thought you would know that the only people who can vote for Morrison are those in the electorate of Cook. This is not America where the whole country votes to choose their leader. By the way, only those in Queensland can vote for the LNP, in all other states and territories voters can choose to vote for Liberal or National candidates if they choose to vote for conservatives.

    Australia is taking a strong, credible and responsible commitment to the Paris climate change conference and will reduce emissions to 26-28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030. This target represents a 50-52 per cent reduction in emissions per capita and a 64-65 per cent reduction in the emissions intensity of the economy between 2005 and 2030.

    The target is a fair contribution for Australia. When expressed against a common base year of 2005, Australia’s target is similar to those announced by the United States, the European Union, Canada, New Zealand and Japan. On a reduction in per person and emissions intensity basis, our target will exceed those of the United States, Japan, the European Union, Korea, and Canada.
    Bridgit
    6th Jan 2020
    3:48pm
    In reply to Trebor

    I do wish you people availed yourselves of the facts in regard to these water bombers!
    These planes were being used in their own fires and had to be checked and serviced before they could go anywhere!
    They are now coming to us - this pathetic blame game fair gives me the irrits - our PM is not to blame for anything - if you want to lay blame then aim it at the Green Polices that have been adopted by Councils and State Gov's.

    And best of all guess who locked up the Parks in NSW - bloody Bob Carr!!!!!
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:55pm
    **straight up the guts** 'old commie' here - man of the people and such .... I said long ago - at the Lindt cafe stuff, that the Federal government could not intervene unless requested by the states... so calls for 2nd Commando (now our counter-terrorism group)to be involved were of no meaning until such time as the state said they were unable to control the situation.

    When you are correct in your basics - why do you have a need to finger-point at others who may disagree? Attack the message not the messenger.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:58pm
    Bridgit - I assume then that covers the statement from Greg Mullins that quite a number of these aircraft were in mothballs. He is no fool - I vaguely knew him when he was a district Officer in the NSWFB, years ago.

    "“Our Prime Minister should be on the phone to Justin Trudeau from Canada right now saying ‘Justin, we need 20 or more of your water-scooping purpose build water bombers that are in mothballs during your winter. Get them down here. Can you get them here in five days?” Mr Mullins told ABC radio Sydney."
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:59pm
    P.S. *blushes* I knew his sister for some twelve years... rarely met him.
    Aussiefrog
    6th Jan 2020
    4:05pm
    Spot on Bazza51, the states are to blame.
    Scomo done what he had to do, everyone is entitled to have a holiday too.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    4:29pm
    When our whole country is in a state of emergrncy I expect our PM to take control, and if that means overiding the states then so be it.
    The Black Fox
    6th Jan 2020
    4:36pm
    Arvo calls those who think that the Prime minister has shown a distinct lack of leadership in this crisis "deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas''. He then states that ''it is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people's character''. Wow!
    Bazza 51 "'can't wait for all the old commies on here to slam me''.
    The trouble with comments like these is that you lose the argument before you start. Ignorance and partisanship will not beat facts and reason.
    Quite clearly the resources announced today by the federal government should have been available months ago. This is a matter of leadership. The various state governments, LNP and Labor and their agencies have been far and away more impressive, as have the brave and resilient locals. May the coming rain make life easier for them all.
    The Black Fox
    6th Jan 2020
    4:36pm
    Arvo calls those who think that the Prime minister has shown a distinct lack of leadership in this crisis "deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas''. He then states that ''it is also very disappointing that a national crisis brings out the worst and nasty side of people's character''. Wow!
    Bazza 51 "'can't wait for all the old commies on here to slam me''.
    The trouble with comments like these is that you lose the argument before you start. Ignorance and partisanship will not beat facts and reason.
    Quite clearly the resources announced today by the federal government should have been available months ago. This is a matter of leadership. The various state governments, LNP and Labor and their agencies have been far and away more impressive, as have the brave and resilient locals. May the coming rain make life easier for them all.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:25pm
    Oh, I dunno - every comment I've made about federal i8ntervention in state issues etc, thus far over several major issues, has been right on thee money - and as for the Canadian water bombers - they're in snow deep winter - not fighting their own fires, and proper control is exercised by a Air Commander on site... he Command and Control bird circling and directing traffic.. as for costing and training - that's why I'm looking at a fund raiser for six Canadair CL-415s - that fund estimate takes in training etc..

    If you wish - look at the Canadian pilots and the way they are organised and trained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1S-E4rGMlw
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    8:36pm
    "deplorable shallow minded critics and news media hungry slanderous hyenas"
    Now there's a title I could accept - to go with Godless, Apostate Bastard...

    Poor Scotty - well, as the General, my grandfather once said - when you take command you're on your own... (Michael Caine in Zulu)...
    GeorgeM
    7th Jan 2020
    2:17pm
    All good comments from Horace, Arvo and Trebor!

    Just to add a few more:
    Gladys is a hopeless Premier, and along with the RFS Commissioner and the Emergency Services Minister, should accept full responsibility for this disaster - for:
    * NOT preventing fires by adequate hazard reduction,
    * NOT insisting on having a Fleet of Water Bombers available and in action since start of Summer, and for
    * NOT putting out fires BEFORE they became too big.
    * Also, NO mention in any news about stopping Arson - with 85% of fires known to be lit by Human Activity (50% being deliberate) - by police with Cameras, Drones and Helicopters.
    Absolute Incompetent Management!

    Yes, Morrison is responsible (along with Turnbull) for rejecting in late 2017 a request to have a National Fleet of Aerial Water Bombing aircraft. Besides Canada and France (as Mullins said - although he became irrelevant when he focused on climate change), USA also has a fleet of 25 Water Bombers. Morrison should have overruled the incompetent Premiers and Fire Commissioners and obtained the strategy and assistance from the ADF Generals to plan a proper War effort against this disaster, as it was well beyond these weak, useless State Govts.
    GeorgeM
    7th Jan 2020
    4:12pm
    Just to get the perspectives in order.

    Morrison / Turnbull rejected the National Aerial Water Bombing Aircraft arrangement in 2017 - if I remember correctly the recommendation asked for only $25 Mil to set it up (I stand to be corrected). Now, he is spending $20 Mil for 4 new large water bombing aircraft (by the way, he said he was asked for only one!!! By Gladys?), on top of the $11 Mil he offered in December. He is now going to spend $2 Billion+, yes Billion, for Bushfire Recovery!!! Taxpayer's money, of course, as he doesn't have any!

    Gladys has been too scared to ask for any resources, claiming her RFS Commissioner was given whatever RFS asked, thus BOTH of them are to be condemned and sacked for Incompetence! Note also her priorities - she is spending $1 Billion on re-building football Stadiums! But won't ask for even $20 Mil for 4 Aircraft? Should have asked for 20 aircraft - only $100 Mil!
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    11:36am
    Gra I presume you voted for Clive Palmer or Pauline Hanson? (which was a vote for the LNP COALition, I hope you understand).

    If you didn't Vote for Labor or Greens then you in effect, voted for the government - admit it.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:06pm
    Sen.Cit.90, Morrison has NOT done what he can. He ignored the fire chiefs on numerous occasions months ago, when they warned about the looming catastrophic fire season. He refused to meet them or heed their concerns.

    Talking about pollies taking holidays (they are all entitled to holidays, even those who don't do much and only sit in Parliament for 5 weeks because they take time out for religious follies in Israel), has nothing to do with the crisis unfolding in our country.
    The crisis isn't just continuing catastrophic fires, unprecedented drought and devastated farming communities, ocean inundation in the Torres Strait, water mismanagement and fauna/flora extinction - all of which no-one can fix right NOW. But the government's continuing lack of planning or policies to address these events and their ridiculous addiction to fossil fuels over renewable energy, IS ALL THEIR OWN FAULT. They are to blame for these catastrophic events becoming worse and worse.

    Their only path forward is to stop taking donations from the fossil fuel industry, so they aren't beholden to them. They should be beholden to Australia and her people. Same goes for Labor.

    Why are coal mines and CSG mines allowed to take our precious fresh water for free? Oh I know - so they can claim coal is cheap to produce. Meanwhile, farmers and rural communities have no water. There's something drastically wrong here. It is immoral, IMHO.
    *Loloften*
    9th Jan 2020
    6:55am
    Almost everyone, including Media & most voters, were shocked when ScoMo, our Leader, didn't come home while his country was burning/fellow Aussies, constituents, suffering so enormously. No more excuses please, even tho' I do agree that everyone deserves a family holiday - but just not this time. It would have been so simple to show his small children real compassion for ppl by saying something simple like "I love u so very much but we have to go home now because lots & lots & lots of people like us are really very very sad now back home & they need us to give 'em big hugs to make them feel better." He missed that opportunity - his kids will, unfortunately for him, understand that when older.
    ex PS
    11th Jan 2020
    8:22am
    The difference between puppet and a Leader.
    A Leader uses the rules to accomplish what he/she needs to do, a puppet uses the rules to excuse them from taking responsibility.
    We do not have leader, we have a marketing executive who is very skilled at stealing credit and shifting blame. He seems incapable of admitting even the smallest mistake., without spinning it with weasel words.
    Chris B T
    6th Jan 2020
    10:35am
    I think the Ballot Box is the Best Place on How One Thinks.
    I'll timed or I need a Break but you lot can keep on doing what your doing, without a break but working on for love after normal work/earnings are lost.
    Great job by our Volunteers, sorry I lost for Printable Words For SoMo and Co.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:23pm
    Liberals will win the next election too as nothing has really changed.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:42pm
    Waste of time, both major parties and several minor ones at this time.

    BOTR. Wrest power from the bastards and restore it to the people via plebiscites NOW!!
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:35pm
    No Chris we have voted. We are not going to continue to swap Prime Ministers at the whim of the unwashed plebs.
    Who is orchestrating this Shamo asil during a catastrophic fire disaster?

    I can promise you from the horrible unwarranted comments I read on FB I would never have any doubt as to who I will vote for next time. I can assure you it won't be the party who is affiliated with these ratbags denigrating our Prime Minister at every opportunity.
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    7:52am
    Unwashed Plebs build the guillotines....

    Just saying... could be an expanding business right there...
    Chris B T
    7th Jan 2020
    12:16pm
    Since the Drought and Bush Fires only Started on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve 2019, I could understand every Emergency Agency of All States and Territory's been overwhelmed.
    The PM being totally unaware of these Events.
    Drought, lack of water to areas that have never had a lack water for years now.
    Bush Fire Season Started in August 2019.
    Where I live all year 2019, the Media Platforms have been Broadcasting are you Ready.
    Survival Pack, medication easy to pack, enough water and Prepare Your Property.
    Don't expect to be saved by Emergency Services.
    Pity the PM and Co didn't heed this advice.
    Strange thing I haven't heard about a Bush Fire in The Royal National Park, that place is normally alight. Must have Better Services now.
    No mention on this Site How Volunteers have Been Fighting Fires Protecting Other Buildings While Their's are Burning for several weeks to months without earnings.
    No this only Just Happen all a once without warning.
    While I'm at It the Defence Force Stands Down over Christmas Period with a skeleton contingent.
    Most would have to Been Recalled or Redeployment.
    Same with Reservists.
    Very Sad at the Moment, this has only just started and I hope those that are effected are not "forgotten"
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:19pm
    Chris BT, the fires started here in September. People died and homes were lost. Governments had plenty of time to respond before the NSW/Vic border fires (that have killed over 20 people) even started.

    I agree with VeryCaringBigBear, Liberals will win the next election, too, not because nothing has really changed but because the government has a fascist alignment with the far right media, Murdoch, shock jocks and other loudmouths from SKY News - it's a winning propaganda machine. They can change topics at the flick of a switch and dull or frightened people respond accordingly.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:20pm
    ...like lambs to the slaughter.
    Chris B T
    9th Jan 2020
    2:35pm
    I see the Fires missed the trolls.
    Is September before August in Troll Land.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    2:23pm
    I wasn't having a go at you Chris - I was correcting your opening line "Since the Drought and Bush Fires only Started on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve 2019" but I didn't see you mention August till after. Sorry for that.

    The fires have disrupted my business in a very negative way.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2020
    3:05pm
    Sorry to hear that Hoohoo, hope things pick up soon for all those effected by these fires, the worst we have had to contend with so far have been power blackouts, thick smoke and dirty rain, this last has covered everything in black soot twice now and looks like we might get more tonight. Water won't wash it off, neither will pressure cleaners so far but compared to others wed count ourselves lucky. 38 degrees and windy here at the moment, hope it settles down soon as we live close to a hill where there are a lot of pine trees.
    Hoohoo
    11th Jan 2020
    7:00pm
    Hope you're OK too, Misty.

    We are no longer in the warning zone (and my house never was) but we had to move part of our plant out of threatening fires where everyone was told to leave. That plant is now taking up half the garage and my partner's car has been kicked out onto the driveway. The salty air here rusts cars in a short time.

    We've actually got some beautiful, cool rain ATM - how lovely to smell it without smoke in it. Hope the lightning doesn't spark any fires.
    Misty
    11th Jan 2020
    7:52pm
    Yes Hoohoo we are ok for now, thanks for asking, we had some rain last night and much cooler today and also no smoke earlier but it is coming over the sky now, hope the worst is over for everyone, at least for awhile.
    ex PS
    15th Jan 2020
    7:38am
    How true "Nothing has really changed", at a time when we need to look at serious change , nothing has changed. All the more reason why we need to change governments as soon as possible.
    Rather see someone try to make changes and fail, than someone who fails to make changes knowing that their inaction will doom us to failure. At least the first option has some chance of success.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jan 2020
    3:13pm
    Yes, ex PS, I pine for the days when our elected representatives sought consensus and took a bipartisan approach to issues that are at the heart and soul of our society.

    We really need to change the current divisive politics that only serves to win elections but demands lack of leadership and does not serve people and communities. But how can people become the centre focus of elections again, instead of this divide and rule scenario? How can we stop leaderless parties from winning elections, then have the PM run victory laps until the next election looms, then call in the propaganda machine that divides people so to win the next election?

    Meanwhile, the country flounders: socially, environmentally and economically. The only winners are the big businesses who donated to their political parties.

    The USA has the same problem as Australia, and probably the UK, too. Ironically, all three countries are led by old, white, male clowns. Business as usual.
    musicveg
    17th Jan 2020
    3:17pm
    USA, UK and Australia have the most climate change deniers due to the influence of Murdoch running the media in these countries.
    Misty
    17th Jan 2020
    5:49pm
    At least one Murdoch son disagrees with his dad, good on him for looking to the future not what is in his bank A/C.
    Hoohoo
    18th Jan 2020
    10:29am
    Yes, it was great to see James Murdoch stand up to his father and brother for their part in pushing propaganda regarding climate change. Hopefully, this fire crisis has opened the eyes for people to see just how great is the cost of doing nothing about greenhouse emissions.

    We had nearly 8 inches of rain (195ml) here last night with more bucketing down now (and a blackout). It feels like a flooding is on its way. Hope it's not too extreme this time.
    Misty
    18th Jan 2020
    11:16am
    That is Australia, land of droughts and flooding plains, and now we can add bush fires too.
    Julian
    6th Jan 2020
    10:42am
    Hahahaha...krudd making comments. Another miserable narcissistic ex pm who won't accept his election loss yet tries to stay relevant through criticisms of successors.

    He really needs to go away.
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    12:46pm
    Mr Rudd was irrelevant when he took the PMship in 2007 and 2013. He was, is and shall remain irrelevant.

    I will say this though, Mr Rudd does have experience in being unfit to run the country though and he had two goes at it and still didn't get it right!
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:35pm
    As do a few othersd who are running the country now.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:40pm
    Morrison didn't win the election, Labor lost because of Clive Palmer and their own stupid inability to figt the LNP advertising, "Get rid of your Utes because of Electric Cars and Chris Bowen's stupid comment about the Franking Credits, amongs other things.
    Sceptic
    6th Jan 2020
    2:49pm
    Mr Morrison's enemy (K Rudd) says he is unfit to run the country, while Mr Rudd's friends declared him unfit to run the country
    inextratime
    6th Jan 2020
    2:57pm
    Hi Misty, sounds like the mist is getting very difficult to see through. Please do not insult the electorate. Labor lost. Get over it.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    4:49pm
    Think what you like inextratime, the LNP only won because of a vartiety of reasons, as I have stated above, some of them decidedly dodgy, especiall telling tradies they would lose their utes because of electric cars, just to name one and I doubt without Clive Palmer's B--l S-t ads they would have won either.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    8:44am
    So good to hear that all the SCOMO minions will fall in behind the Labor PM when elected. Apparently once a PM is elected they can do no wrong and must be supported no matter how much they stuff things up.
    We elected this poor performing government and we will get rid if them, but we must hold the next government to account for their actions when the time comes.
    ex PS
    15th Jan 2020
    7:41am
    Totally agree about ex PM's, Howard and Abbott please take note.
    Colours
    6th Jan 2020
    11:02am
    There is no leadership to be happy with. The man is simply a marketing wonk, and not a very good one at that - he was fired from his tourism job, and will soon be fired from this one too.
    thommo
    6th Jan 2020
    11:49am
    Exactly Colours. Morrison won the election with a "miracle" (his own words), but I labelled him a charlatan from the outset. He is an empty vessel, full of slogans , won't answer questions and hides inside the "bubble".

    But his handling of the bushfire crisis shows he is beyond his competence and politicises situations instead of showing genuine empathy and concern for firefighters and victims. Witness his behaviour in Cobargo for example.
    Morrison and his government deny the very cause of the fire crisis and the public will never forgive them for their arrogant and stubborn stance.
    The lines are now starting to show on his exasperated face. He won't be PM for much longer, mark my words, and this LNP government won't get past the next election, and good riddance.
    Tood
    6th Jan 2020
    12:48pm
    Well said thommo, the guy is a smirking wanker with flapping lips. There are plenty of politicians and State premiers but there is only one PM and he should have been here from the getgo though the way he has behaved it would have been better if he'd stayed in Hawaii for good. Hope to see the back of him real soon; unfit for office.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:44pm
    Mrs Morrison's Fabulous Dancing Bear...
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    8:47am
    Exactly Colours, he gets by on spin, his party is following suit.
    The Liberal and National parties have no substance to them. They may as well be cardboard cut outs.
    Mondo
    9th Jan 2020
    3:32pm
    But Colours you could be wrong, he's asking for tourists to go to Kangaroo Island just as the local inhabitants are traveling in the opposite direction seeking safety from the fires, that's marketing. You never know we could have the proverbial fridge salesman in the Antarctic as our PM, its just that he's a bit ahead of the market but as things are going, not long to wait though before fridges are needed up there.
    RJP
    6th Jan 2020
    11:15am
    How about getting stuck into the premiers and the councils instead of the Prime Minister, and then the idiots who continue to build their little dream homes in the middle of forests.
    Those idiots abusing him and rambling on about global warming need to go out and fight the fires instead of rambling on like halfwits.
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:08pm
    That is a very good and a strong valid point RJP.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:44pm
    Hate to think what out insurance premiums will go up by now because of the fires and drought, not to mention the floods, that will surely come when it rains, now there is no bush and undergrowth to soak up the water.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:47pm
    One at a time RJP - one at a time - they are all culpable... Gladys the empty vessel has appeared every day for a photo op - never seen a bushfire in her life... straight from school, did a uni course, decided politics was where the easy money was... never had a job in her life.

    Tell me again how she's in that job on easy street for life?

    As for the wet lettuce leaf in Victoria.... don't even ask... Pale Ass Chick the Sellout Queen in Queersland?

    Word for today :- Phtoo Op - a photo op you wouldn't Phtoo on..
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:48pm
    * sometimes my computer keyboard speaks truths that even I don't see at first...
    inextratime
    7th Jan 2020
    3:14pm
    So Trebor
    What did the Rudd Gillard Rudd government do ? Oh but of course bushfires are a new natural occurrence. Mr Rudd was in power when the Black Friday fires took many lives, so don't go blaming a PM that has been in the chair 6 months, unless of course you happen to be a Labor voter.... !
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:32pm
    Watch out RJP, you'll suffocate if you keep your head stuck in the sand. At least you won't continue to be brainwashed by the shock jocks down there, though zay haf other vays to make you conform to the party line.

    Morrison is only part of the problem - the part that is the COALition LNP. What a useless, hopeless government they've been since 2013.
    *Loloften*
    9th Jan 2020
    7:22am
    Hey RJP, have u no children/grandkids - most can't afford $1m to live in the burbs, as we couldn't way back then (bought houses that were "in the back blocks" but now in the Burbs) - as their's will be too in decade or 2. It's not their fault that their Councils won't let 'em have lge old trees removed + being very negligent, considering drought, re upkeep of old dying dry trees/removing metre deep dry leaves/mowing neglected nature strips etc etc etc. It was a very sad fire waiting to happen, thru no fault of anyone but weather/drought/dry lightening & Council negligence.
    adbob
    6th Jan 2020
    11:21am
    "Is the PM guilty of political grandstanding or are you happy with his leadership?"

    Have you stopped beating your wife? Answer yes or no.

    Lightweight political point scoring by the usual suspects - ie mainly the climate alarmists whose actions (as greenies - usually the same people) in restricting controlled burns are one if the main causes of the ferocity of these fires,

    Who came up with the figure "More than half a billion animals are dead." and why were they counting dead animals when they could have been helping with firefighting?

    Sauce for the goose ...

    I'm no fan of ScoMo but he has a big job and needs a holiday once in a while - he should be able to say that he has complete faith in the existing fire services etc and leave them to get on with their job. Televised visits by VIPs etc etc simply cause some of those people to be taken away from their main roles.
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    12:06pm
    Morrison has now had 3 overseas holidays since the election. It is part of the P.M's job to lead the country, whenever that is needed, which he has shown to be incapable of doing without a big push in the back.
    His family commitments are secondary to that. If he wanted a normal life who should not have forced his way into the job.
    His tardiness with the bushfire crisis smacks of his attitude to the calls for a banking Royal Commission.
    It is unbelievable that someone in his position, and professed beliefs, needed an empathy coach. Even then he failed in Cobargo.
    The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison. His political advertisement was exactly that, political.
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    12:06pm
    Morrison has now had 3 overseas holidays since the election. It is part of the P.M's job to lead the country, whenever that is needed, which he has shown to be incapable of doing without a big push in the back.
    His family commitments are secondary to that. If he wanted a normal life who should not have forced his way into the job.
    His tardiness with the bushfire crisis smacks of his attitude to the calls for a banking Royal Commission.
    It is unbelievable that someone in his position, and professed beliefs, needed an empathy coach. Even then he failed in Cobargo.
    The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison. His political advertisement was exactly that, political.
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:16pm
    adbob- "..."More than half a billion animals are dead." ???
    Either they got their estimate from the ABS (sic) or they used AI to do a quick count but, no way they could have done a physical count of every animal that perished in a matter of few days.
    So, let's call their allegation - " frog-shit ! "-
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    12:52pm
    Tanker: "The State premiers have shown much greater leadership than Morrison."

    The Qld and Vic Premiers were also on holiday but being Labor have not copped the criticism Mr Morrison has even though it is their responsibility to fight fires, not his!

    Exactly what do you expect Mr Morrison to do/have done? He is hamstrung by the States so he could not send the troops in without thie States asking for it, he has provided everything he has been asked for. So just what do you expect?
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    1:11pm
    The Vic Premier responded to the crisis promptly here in Victoria and has been on the job ever since. He requested help from the ADF, particularly the Navy, and that was granted quickly. He has not engaged in any political advertising, neither has the NSW Premier.
    Morrison is the only P.M. who waited and hid behind the States when questioned. In emergencies in the past the P.M. of the day, from both Party's, were right there lending their support and position to help as a matter of urgency.

    Morrison has also been contradicted by the NSW Premier and the man responsible for firefighting in NSW regarding statements Morrison made on his offers of assistance.

    Politics is tribal these days in that many lock themselves into supporting "THEIR" side right or wrong and this is obvious in many responses here. My observation of what has happened with Morrison is that he is out of his depth as P.M. Heaps of confidence but lacking in competence. I am sure that will now bring the wrath of the "right" upon me.
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    1:11pm
    The Vic Premier responded to the crisis promptly here in Victoria and has been on the job ever since. He requested help from the ADF, particularly the Navy, and that was granted quickly. He has not engaged in any political advertising, neither has the NSW Premier.
    Morrison is the only P.M. who waited and hid behind the States when questioned. In emergencies in the past the P.M. of the day, from both Party's, were right there lending their support and position to help as a matter of urgency.

    Morrison has also been contradicted by the NSW Premier and the man responsible for firefighting in NSW regarding statements Morrison made on his offers of assistance.

    Politics is tribal these days in that many lock themselves into supporting "THEIR" side right or wrong and this is obvious in many responses here. My observation of what has happened with Morrison is that he is out of his depth as P.M. Heaps of confidence but lacking in competence. I am sure that will now bring the wrath of the "right" upon me.
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:20pm
    Tanker, Mr Morrison could not send the Army or Navy to Victoria until it was requested. He was ready to do so and said so and this is borne out by the speed with which they were dispatched once the request from the State was made. NSW lagged behind in make such a request!

    It was NSW Premier who did not tell the Fire Chief of Mr Morrison's offer of assistance. Ms Berejiklian has admitted that she was told by Mr Morrison himself before the announcement took place. Again the States are falling down on their job but the bandwagon hatred of Mr Morrison is not concerned with truth and facts. Anything to try to further tarnish Mr Morrison personally right?
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:49pm
    We didn't vote for the PM'S wife Jenny but he continually includes her in the conversation, Jenny and I this and Jennyy and I that, has anyone else noticed this?, no other PM has included their partner in this way, at least I don't remeber them doing it, so who is running the country, Scomo or Scomo and Jenny?.
    Gra
    6th Jan 2020
    3:28pm
    KSS you're wasting your time trying to explain how the system works, these fools are blinded by hate and ignorance.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    4:53pm
    So KSS, like the old legend, Rome burned while Nero fiddled, does the PM sit back and tweet while Australia burns or does he do what he was elected to do, take charge and run the country, after all that is what he is paid to do.
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    7:55am
    Arvo - you understand what is this 'estimate'? Somewhere else somebody, an ostensible apologist for Morrison, posted that it came from a 'learned professor' (**looks over shoulder**) ....

    You surely know my view of learned professors - but this is an ESTIMATE - did you want a body count?
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:37pm
    The dead animal numbers are an estimate from scientists in the field.

    But we all know that this government only believes 1% of scientists - the other 99% are alarmists!
    Virginia
    6th Jan 2020
    11:29am
    I am not going to read the other comments cos I know they will be from sit on their bottoms and complain
    NO-ONE could have foreseen what happened. Everyone who works 25 hours per day for you deserves a holiday in fact his family need to see him .....
    I think we need to look to the future and do what we can to prevent it happening again Lock up fire bugs. Clear trees around properties.
    Help those in need and stop being negative and complaining. Its happened get on with it Clearing rebuilding and being positive .
    Tragedy makes us stronger Hlp other Australians NOW
    Blaming and complaining never gets anything done.
    cupoftea
    6th Jan 2020
    12:04pm
    Virginia Scumo has a staff of 50 yes 50 he has a chief of staff that makes sure that he does not have to worry about anything Yes Minister rings a bell
    Tood
    6th Jan 2020
    12:52pm
    Bugger his family, he back stabbed to get the top job he wanted and that comes with a price, 3 holidays since July, poor diddums!
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    12:54pm
    Virginia add to your list a reversal of Green and Labor council policies of refusal to allow backburning and allowing fire trails to become overgrown and deliberately made impenetrable.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    4:03pm
    Join the Trebor drive to fund a permanent fleet of water bombers... get out fast and kill those fires at their outset. No more of this "Oh - it's all in deep bush - no need to worry about it." With a fleet of dedicated water bombers you can hit it fast and often - stop it spreading to built-up areas.

    Drove through the Diamond Beach fire spot yesterday, and there is no way you can get firefighters on wheels in there... just a few narrow tracks - left my tablet at home.. otherwise I'd have footage out there..
    ollie
    6th Jan 2020
    5:01pm
    Wrong Virginia the experts have been telling us for years that the seas are rising our summers are getting hotter our coral reefs are dying and bush fires will be more intense but our polys convince morons to vote for them. A scientist is an expert in his field how do politicians who cant even run a country tell scientists they do not know what they are talking about. We have an ex prime minister travelling around the world saying this has nothing to do with climate change another moron Tony Abbot. People are bagging K Rudd for saying what he thinks and he is right this Prime Minister is not fit to run this country and we had John Howard say on national tv that this guy is doing a good job once a tosser always a tosser.
    Rod63
    6th Jan 2020
    6:50pm
    KSS - no-one stops backburning. It's used on active fires when necessary and no- one would ever stop it.
    ollie
    6th Jan 2020
    7:12pm
    Even if the councils allowed the backburning of overgrown undergrowth because of the drought caused by climate change it is not possible rain forests are burning because they are too dry this has never happened before people should start listening to scientists not politicians
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    8:53pm
    Yes - the Big Dry has something to do with it - I say the same to all those carrying on about Aboriginal 'land management' - if they lit a fire now they'd burn the place down - no difference,.... and what's the use in killing all their meals on paws?
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    8:53am
    Does he deserve three in 18 months? Does he deserve one when the country is in crissis?
    Even if he deserves one, why does he deserve one when volunterrs are spending their Christmas on the front line?
    If he is not ashamed of his actions, why did he try and keep his holiday so secret?
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    5:37pm
    Why does Ollie refer to those who promote the climate change/global warming scam as scientists? Scientific method requires every effort to be made to discredit any hypothesis before it is accepted as scientific fact, a status which only exists until it can be disproved. "Climate scientists" only look at evidence which appears to support their theories, ignore everything which discredits it, and persecute anyone who dares to contradict their theories with facts - i.e. Peter Ridd and Susan Crockford.
    Why do we continue to listen to people whose predictions invariably fail. Numerous examples are available, endless droughts which were followed by massive floods? The Maldives under water by 2000 but still there, as is Tuvalu which has also discredited the "climate scientists' and is growing.
    For several years we were told that the Arctic ice would vanish in summer this year or next, then it was going to vanish in around 20 years, now they are refusing to predict when the ice will go, perhaps they have been cornered by knowledge that the North Atlantic is cooling.
    What about the "hockey stick scam? If global warming is real, why was it necessary to homogenize - meaning rig - temperature data from the Rutherglen Station so that the records which used to show a slight cooling of about half a degree over the past century now show warming of around 1.5 degrees?
    And if the sea level is going to rise, why is it that people like Al Gore, Kevin Rudd and Barak Obama have purchased seaside mansions?
    It has been predicted by others of a more reasonable frame of mind that not too far into the future people will look back in amazement as they consider how almost the entire world believed in the greatest scam ever to emerge on this planet.
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    5:37pm
    Why does Ollie refer to those who promote the climate change/global warming scam as scientists? Scientific method requires every effort to be made to discredit any hypothesis before it is accepted as scientific fact, a status which only exists until it can be disproved. "Climate scientists" only look at evidence which appears to support their theories, ignore everything which discredits it, and persecute anyone who dares to contradict their theories with facts - i.e. Peter Ridd and Susan Crockford.
    Why do we continue to listen to people whose predictions invariably fail. Numerous examples are available, endless droughts which were followed by massive floods? The Maldives under water by 2000 but still there, as is Tuvalu which has also discredited the "climate scientists' and is growing.
    For several years we were told that the Arctic ice would vanish in summer this year or next, then it was going to vanish in around 20 years, now they are refusing to predict when the ice will go, perhaps they have been cornered by knowledge that the North Atlantic is cooling.
    What about the "hockey stick scam? If global warming is real, why was it necessary to homogenize - meaning rig - temperature data from the Rutherglen Station so that the records which used to show a slight cooling of about half a degree over the past century now show warming of around 1.5 degrees?
    And if the sea level is going to rise, why is it that people like Al Gore, Kevin Rudd and Barak Obama have purchased seaside mansions?
    It has been predicted by others of a more reasonable frame of mind that not too far into the future people will look back in amazement as they consider how almost the entire world believed in the greatest scam ever to emerge on this planet.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    5:57pm
    maxchugg, what religion must you adhere to to believe 1% of expert scientists know more than 99% of expert scientists?

    Are you so arrogant that you think you know more than the experts?

    Cherry-picking data from here and from there whilst ignoring the bulk of the data, is truly unscientific. The experts know more than you - suck it up.
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    9:50pm
    Hoohoo, you are long on personal abuse and very short on facts. I have listed a small number of examples of how the predictions of the so-called "climate scientists" have made predictions which have failed so miserably that anybody other than a dyed in the wool fanatical believer in the climate change/global warming religion would give them any credibility. Many more examples could be given.
    Like all devout followers of your religion, you take the lazy approach of totally failing to discredit my comments by accusing me of cherry picking rather than taking the logical approach of proving even one of the statements I have made to be wrong.
    You say that I am ignoring the bulk of the data, I am not ignoring it, I have never found it because it simply does not exist.
    As for your claim that 99% of expert scientists agree is totally discredited, I am astonished at your ignorance/stupidity to present it. I have stated that "climate science" is not science because it totally fails to meet the requirements of scientific method. If you disagree, please state your case, with supportive evidence and without the usual ad hominem approach that is normally served up by the members of your religion.
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    9:50pm
    Hoohoo, you are long on personal abuse and very short on facts. I have listed a small number of examples of how the predictions of the so-called "climate scientists" have made predictions which have failed so miserably that anybody other than a dyed in the wool fanatical believer in the climate change/global warming religion would give them any credibility. Many more examples could be given.
    Like all devout followers of your religion, you take the lazy approach of totally failing to discredit my comments by accusing me of cherry picking rather than taking the logical approach of proving even one of the statements I have made to be wrong.
    You say that I am ignoring the bulk of the data, I am not ignoring it, I have never found it because it simply does not exist.
    As for your claim that 99% of expert scientists agree is totally discredited, I am astonished at your ignorance/stupidity to present it. I have stated that "climate science" is not science because it totally fails to meet the requirements of scientific method. If you disagree, please state your case, with supportive evidence and without the usual ad hominem approach that is normally served up by the members of your religion.
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    10:45pm
    Hoohoo, some facts about your 99% of scientists believing in anthropogenic climate change. 10257 scientists around the world were asked if they thought human activity had an impact on climate change. (A stupid question, of course human activity has an influence on climate change, the important point is to what degree does human activity have an effect.)
    Of the 10257 questionnaires sent out, 3146 replies were received, but of the 3146 who replied 3069 were eliminated because they were deemed to not be climate scientists, which raises the question of why were they circularized in the first place, or was it because their views were not acceptable to the surveyor?
    Finally, only 77 surveys were considered, and 75 out of the 77 agreed that human activity has, or may have, an impact on climate change. (Even I believe that human activity has an effect on climate) So, in the end, 71 out of 10257 supported the argument which is less than 2%. In reality, almost 99% REJECTED the argument.
    But now it is you who is cherry picking because you who have ignored another questionnaire about climate change called the Oregon Petition which was prepared by Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, and supported by Frederick Seitz, Past President of National academy of Sciences then Professor Emeritus Rockfeller University.
    The proposal states in part that the Kyoto global warming agreement proposed “limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment hinder the advance of science and technology and damage the health and welfare of mankind.” It went on “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
    Of the 31000 signatures received, it was found that a few pranksters managed to sign, but those who did sign included 9000 holding a PhD degree.
    Do the maths, Hoohoo. If we eliminate half of the signatories as pranksters, this still leaves 15500 who support the proposal, and if you are to be believed, this is 1% of the sceptics, so there must be at least 1,550,000 true believers.
    maxchugg
    8th Jan 2020
    10:45pm
    Hoohoo, some facts about your 99% of scientists believing in anthropogenic climate change. 10257 scientists around the world were asked if they thought human activity had an impact on climate change. (A stupid question, of course human activity has an influence on climate change, the important point is to what degree does human activity have an effect.)
    Of the 10257 questionnaires sent out, 3146 replies were received, but of the 3146 who replied 3069 were eliminated because they were deemed to not be climate scientists, which raises the question of why were they circularized in the first place, or was it because their views were not acceptable to the surveyor?
    Finally, only 77 surveys were considered, and 75 out of the 77 agreed that human activity has, or may have, an impact on climate change. (Even I believe that human activity has an effect on climate) So, in the end, 71 out of 10257 supported the argument which is less than 2%. In reality, almost 99% REJECTED the argument.
    But now it is you who is cherry picking because you who have ignored another questionnaire about climate change called the Oregon Petition which was prepared by Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, and supported by Frederick Seitz, Past President of National academy of Sciences then Professor Emeritus Rockfeller University.
    The proposal states in part that the Kyoto global warming agreement proposed “limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment hinder the advance of science and technology and damage the health and welfare of mankind.” It went on “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”
    Of the 31000 signatures received, it was found that a few pranksters managed to sign, but those who did sign included 9000 holding a PhD degree.
    Do the maths, Hoohoo. If we eliminate half of the signatories as pranksters, this still leaves 15500 who support the proposal, and if you are to be believed, this is 1% of the sceptics, so there must be at least 1,550,000 true believers.
    Hoohoo
    9th Jan 2020
    12:09pm
    I didn't personally abuse anyone, maxchugg. I asked a question about the arrogance of lay people thinking they know more than the vast majority of scientific experts.

    Science is created by scientists collecting data and making predictions on the trends in the data. The data is always changing, so not all predictions will be correct. But fossil fuel proponents still ignore the direction of the trends because they'd prefer to cherry-pick bits of data and ignore the bulk of the data, to suit their own agenda and hoodwink lay people, as you have.

    This devotion to conspiracy theories, calling the 99% of experts "alarmists", has been shown up for what it is, but the powers that be are SO invested (in the fossil fuel industry), they can't accept defeat. They'll take Australia and the world down with them, kicking and screaming, if we give them the chance. How much carbon have these catastrophic fires added to the problem? The smoke has reached Chile now.

    It's time to accept the science and protect everyone's future, not protect profits for a few. The snowball effect of doing nothing will cost everyone financially, well and above the profits pulled in by the invested denialists.

    That silly argument about C02 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water.
    maxchugg
    9th Jan 2020
    12:48pm
    Hoohoo, you say that you didn't personally abuse anyone. I think an accusation of arrogance in believing that I know more than 99 percent of scientists amounts to abuse.

    You complain of cherry picking of data to prove a point, yet it is you who is doing the cherry picking. For example, as I mentioned, you latched onto a totally discredited argument that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, and totally ignored another survey which discredited the survey upon which your argument rests.

    I put forward evidence that "climate science" is not science because it completely ignores the basic rules of scientific method, you carefully avoided discussing that point.

    Likewise, I mentioned a few of the enormous pieces of evidence which have shown all of the predictions of the "climate scientists to be total nonsense. Please tell me:

    Did the Maldives become submerged by 2000, as predicted?
    What about Flannery's prediction that any water which fell would simply run off the earth and a new dam near Brisbane would not fill? Didn't that dam not only fill, but didn't it overflow and flood Brisbane? And didn't another dam near Townsville do he same?
    Perth was to be the first ghost metropolis, has that happened yet?
    The polar bears were going to extinction, so how come recent surveys have shown that their numbers have increased significantly?
    The Arctic ice was to be gone in summer, "this year or next", then in a couple of decades, now they are saying 20 years, so were they correct when they said this year next, or are they correct when they say in 20 years?

    I could go on for a long time in that vein, but have one more which I expect you, as the reasonable, unbiased person you would have us believe, will answer:

    Can you provide a couple of examples of predictions made by "climate scientists" which have come true?

    Finally your comments about the "silly argument about CO2 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water." The argument was raised by eminent scientists, as was mentioned, over 9000 have PhDs, so aren't you being just a little - dare I say it - arrogant in treating these views with such contempt. Of course plant growth requires water, it also requires CO2, as any horticulturalist will tell you. And, of course, you chose to ignore the statement that increased atmospheric CO2 would be beneficial to plant growth. To test the argument is quite simple, as NASA has commented that with the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come substantially increased greening on the earth. Not only is this evident in record crops in recent years, it is also visible from space:

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
    maxchugg
    9th Jan 2020
    12:48pm
    Hoohoo, you say that you didn't personally abuse anyone. I think an accusation of arrogance in believing that I know more than 99 percent of scientists amounts to abuse.

    You complain of cherry picking of data to prove a point, yet it is you who is doing the cherry picking. For example, as I mentioned, you latched onto a totally discredited argument that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, and totally ignored another survey which discredited the survey upon which your argument rests.

    I put forward evidence that "climate science" is not science because it completely ignores the basic rules of scientific method, you carefully avoided discussing that point.

    Likewise, I mentioned a few of the enormous pieces of evidence which have shown all of the predictions of the "climate scientists to be total nonsense. Please tell me:

    Did the Maldives become submerged by 2000, as predicted?
    What about Flannery's prediction that any water which fell would simply run off the earth and a new dam near Brisbane would not fill? Didn't that dam not only fill, but didn't it overflow and flood Brisbane? And didn't another dam near Townsville do he same?
    Perth was to be the first ghost metropolis, has that happened yet?
    The polar bears were going to extinction, so how come recent surveys have shown that their numbers have increased significantly?
    The Arctic ice was to be gone in summer, "this year or next", then in a couple of decades, now they are saying 20 years, so were they correct when they said this year next, or are they correct when they say in 20 years?

    I could go on for a long time in that vein, but have one more which I expect you, as the reasonable, unbiased person you would have us believe, will answer:

    Can you provide a couple of examples of predictions made by "climate scientists" which have come true?

    Finally your comments about the "silly argument about CO2 feeding plant life is a joke. Nothing grows without water." The argument was raised by eminent scientists, as was mentioned, over 9000 have PhDs, so aren't you being just a little - dare I say it - arrogant in treating these views with such contempt. Of course plant growth requires water, it also requires CO2, as any horticulturalist will tell you. And, of course, you chose to ignore the statement that increased atmospheric CO2 would be beneficial to plant growth. To test the argument is quite simple, as NASA has commented that with the increase in atmospheric CO2 has come substantially increased greening on the earth. Not only is this evident in record crops in recent years, it is also visible from space:

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
    maxchugg
    10th Jan 2020
    3:33pm
    C'mon Hoohoo, where are you? After all, I did provide a few of the hundreds of reasons why I do not accept the so called science of anthropogenic climate change and you accused me of cherry picking, so I invited you to prove me wrong and I renew that invitation.

    After giving cogent reasons for my disbelief and total distrust of people posing as scientists who ignore the basic rules of science and make predictions from computer models which are garbage in, garbage out in my opinion, I asked you for just a couple of examples of where the computer models have made a correct prediction. Just a couple. And that shouldn't be a big ask, surely computer models costing millions of dollars should be able to provide a better idea of future climate than pure guesswork, which, by the way, will, statistically, be right half of the time.

    Please correct me with solid evidence and without personal abuse, that shows that the predictions of computer models really are better than pure guesswork.
    maxchugg
    10th Jan 2020
    3:33pm
    C'mon Hoohoo, where are you? After all, I did provide a few of the hundreds of reasons why I do not accept the so called science of anthropogenic climate change and you accused me of cherry picking, so I invited you to prove me wrong and I renew that invitation.

    After giving cogent reasons for my disbelief and total distrust of people posing as scientists who ignore the basic rules of science and make predictions from computer models which are garbage in, garbage out in my opinion, I asked you for just a couple of examples of where the computer models have made a correct prediction. Just a couple. And that shouldn't be a big ask, surely computer models costing millions of dollars should be able to provide a better idea of future climate than pure guesswork, which, by the way, will, statistically, be right half of the time.

    Please correct me with solid evidence and without personal abuse, that shows that the predictions of computer models really are better than pure guesswork.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2020
    4:31pm
    A person does not need a computer model or guesswork to see that there is something radically changing with our weather, and it is not for the better.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    4:59pm
    Again, you are cherry-picking scientific data that suits your argument. I haven't even presented any scientific data, so what is it I'm supposed to be cherry-picking? Don't you think 99% or even only 90% of scientific experts in the field of climate change know more than you?
    I'm sorry if don't like me thinking a lay person is arrogant, when they presume they know more than the vast majority of experts. Do you have a better or more succinct name for your position on this? I presume you are sincere and you've spent many hours scouring the internet to find your cherries, but they are still cherries which don't reflect the position of the vast majority of experts who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific truths.

    The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent. This would create more forests and it is well known that huge tracts of tundra regions have melted because the permafrost has disappeared, even during winter.

    Climate scientists have warned of MORE EXTREME droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. The prediction of extended fire seasons and unprecedented, catastrophic bush fires is a good example of that prediction coming true, and we're not even into the middle of summer yet.
    The Torres Strait Islands and Pacific Islands already have inundation refugees. Why? The ocean has taken over their gardens, their livelihoods, their homes and their country. Don't you think our fellow Australians and Pacific neighbours count? Did climate scientists predict rising oceans would result in this?

    To talk about examples where temperatures have dropped (cherry-picking), is ignoring the trend to more extreme weather events. It's not just warming, per se. There are cosmic influences at play too, that may influence our climate one way or the other. I trust the experts have taken ALL the data into account - they know more than me and I think they know more than you do, too. Maybe you aren't arrogant to hold your position - maybe you've been mislead by conspiracy theorists who call most experts alarmists.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    5:26pm
    I've been watching the tennis while constructing my post today so I missed your last rev up.

    I have heard all your arguments before and I don't wish to waste my time ploughing through your posts AND all the various links you have referred to. If these references to so-called science have any merit, why haven't the majority of the experts thought "Why didn't we think of that? We must investigate further."

    There is so much fake news on the internet that conspiracy theories are having a field day. I think many of their victims are genuinely interested in science and are more knowledgeable than the average punter, but they're determined to counter the accepted paradigm because they actually think being smarter than most gives them a license to pursue the alternative with zealotry. I have a close family relative who is very clever but he has entrapped himself in an internet bubble, literally, believing the earth is flat or at least, domed-shaped. He has a scientific explanation for every argument I pose to him. I am the one who he thinks is close-minded. Should I not question his beliefs?
    maxchugg
    11th Jan 2020
    10:38am
    As expected, Hohoo, you stick to the total nonsense of the discredited myth of overwhelming support for anthropogenic climate change by the majority of so-called scientists.

    I have listed a few of the hundreds of examples of where "climate scientists" have made predictions which have failed to such an extent that guessing would have produced a better result, yet you still expect me to respect their views, to give them credibility

    Also, I have asked for you to give a couple of examples of where correct predictions have been made by these "scientists" and, you have at least tried, but failed miserably.

    The scientists, you say, have warned of more extreme droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. Evidence, please. All of these events have been happening forever, as Dorothea MacKellar said, Australia is a land of droughts and flooding rains. We now know that these are the results of climatic variations called El Nino and El Nina. An even greater problem with your argument is why is it that temperature records have bees "homogenized" - although "rigged" would be a better word - to show that temperatures had risen instead of falling?

    The pacific Islands are drowning, creating large numbers of refugees. I'm sure you would love the ABC, so here is the outcome of their attempt to discredit Craig Kelly's claim that Tuvalu is actually growing:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

    You comment "The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent." Of course you would want to believe your theory, irrespective of the fact that it is known that atmospheric CO2 is at a record low level, that any horticulturalist will tell you that increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide does increase plant growth. And you have attempted to explain off the increased greening but overlooked the record crops which have ben evident in the last few years.

    Next, your comments about tundra. Take a look at the map of the Arctic ice which appears on the NSDIC site every day and attempt to argue that there is a substantial reduction in the ice which, currently, is remarkably close to the average for 1981 - 2010 period, which appears to have chosen (cherry picked) for no other reason than that there was an unusually high level of ice in that period.

    Finally, why are these "scientists" which you expect us to trust and respect so devious? What about the treatment of Peter Ridd, fired for producing irrefutable evidence that his employer's promotion of the theory that climate change is destroying the Barrier Reef? If Ridd was wrong, how come a court awarded him $1.2 million in damages? And does it square with your sense of justice that the university will appeal the decision, at taxpayers expense, compelling Ridd to raise $1.6 million to fund his defence? And if Ridd wins again, it might be reasonable to expect that the university will have to pay the cost of two sets of legal action ($1.6 million x 4) plus the original $1.2 million, so around $10 million. Are you, as a taxpayer, happy about this possibility?

    Please let us know how you feel about the Chief Scientist stating that if Australia reduced emissions by 1.6%, which is our total contribution to so-called greenhouse gases" the effect would be negligible, and then denied that he had made such a statement, claiming that Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth.

    https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions

    The truth is easy to find, because a video of the interview is available, although no longer particularly easy to find.
    maxchugg
    11th Jan 2020
    10:38am
    As expected, Hohoo, you stick to the total nonsense of the discredited myth of overwhelming support for anthropogenic climate change by the majority of so-called scientists.

    I have listed a few of the hundreds of examples of where "climate scientists" have made predictions which have failed to such an extent that guessing would have produced a better result, yet you still expect me to respect their views, to give them credibility

    Also, I have asked for you to give a couple of examples of where correct predictions have been made by these "scientists" and, you have at least tried, but failed miserably.

    The scientists, you say, have warned of more extreme droughts, fire seasons, floods and snowstorms. Evidence, please. All of these events have been happening forever, as Dorothea MacKellar said, Australia is a land of droughts and flooding rains. We now know that these are the results of climatic variations called El Nino and El Nina. An even greater problem with your argument is why is it that temperature records have bees "homogenized" - although "rigged" would be a better word - to show that temperatures had risen instead of falling?

    The pacific Islands are drowning, creating large numbers of refugees. I'm sure you would love the ABC, so here is the outcome of their attempt to discredit Craig Kelly's claim that Tuvalu is actually growing:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/fact-check-is-the-island-nation-tuvalu-growing/10627318

    You comment "The increased greening you speak of could simply be that the treeline in alpine areas has dropped significantly because of warming making the permafrost less prevalent." Of course you would want to believe your theory, irrespective of the fact that it is known that atmospheric CO2 is at a record low level, that any horticulturalist will tell you that increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide does increase plant growth. And you have attempted to explain off the increased greening but overlooked the record crops which have ben evident in the last few years.

    Next, your comments about tundra. Take a look at the map of the Arctic ice which appears on the NSDIC site every day and attempt to argue that there is a substantial reduction in the ice which, currently, is remarkably close to the average for 1981 - 2010 period, which appears to have chosen (cherry picked) for no other reason than that there was an unusually high level of ice in that period.

    Finally, why are these "scientists" which you expect us to trust and respect so devious? What about the treatment of Peter Ridd, fired for producing irrefutable evidence that his employer's promotion of the theory that climate change is destroying the Barrier Reef? If Ridd was wrong, how come a court awarded him $1.2 million in damages? And does it square with your sense of justice that the university will appeal the decision, at taxpayers expense, compelling Ridd to raise $1.6 million to fund his defence? And if Ridd wins again, it might be reasonable to expect that the university will have to pay the cost of two sets of legal action ($1.6 million x 4) plus the original $1.2 million, so around $10 million. Are you, as a taxpayer, happy about this possibility?

    Please let us know how you feel about the Chief Scientist stating that if Australia reduced emissions by 1.6%, which is our total contribution to so-called greenhouse gases" the effect would be negligible, and then denied that he had made such a statement, claiming that Andrew Bolt had put words in his mouth.

    https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2018/12/clarifying-the-chief-scientists-position-on-reducing-carbon-emissions

    The truth is easy to find, because a video of the interview is available, although no longer particularly easy to find.
    Hoohoo
    12th Jan 2020
    1:44am
    Again, you ignore the warning of increasing EXTREMES of weather events. Yes, Australia is a country of droughts and floods, but I can't deny the severity of this drought and the intense yet extensive fire season. Rainforests burned for the very first time last Spring and temperature records are breaking every year, but I suppose you think it's just an inconvenient coincidence.

    Are you an expert in the field of climate science, maxchugg? If not, you've been very non-scientific in calling your viewpoint facts. You've obviously convinced yourself and you are entitled to your opinions and beliefs, but it doesn't make them science.

    I did quite well at Uni by picking to pieces scientific methods used for experiments we conducted. It's fairly easy to do because there are always so many variables which can undermine the results. And then there's the problem and possibility of industry-promoted scientists posing premises that are politically motivated and which invariably suit the fossil fuel industry, which has plenty to lose financially if they are forced to change their polluting and water-stealing ways.

    You've really lost your scientific credibility now that you've mentioned Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt. If they are your sources of information then it speaks volumes and explains your bias and zealotry on the subject. These two loudmouths are not scientists, either.

    And BTW, Australia is responsible for much more than 1.6% of world emissions, because we export about another 4%, making Australia one of the top ten emitting countries. And we are the highest per capita emitter. We're a disgrace and it's so bloody-minded of our so-called leaders to deny there's nothing they can do or could've done to prevent such a crisis, then look the other way in the face of these terrible fires. Business as usual.It's certainly not the leadership people are needing, especially when they've lost everything, communities have been devastated and so many people have been killed or burned to death.
    maxchugg
    13th Jan 2020
    8:07am
    Hello Hoohoo. Having provided a few of the huge number of examples of predictions made by "climate scientists", I'm still waiting for you to provide even a couple of examples of where they have made predictions which have come true.

    You did quite well at school picking to pieces scientific methods. Which means that you were, at that time, observing scientific method which requires ever possible attempt to be before it becomes accepted as scientific fact. If the methods you so skillfully destroyed they were not science in the first place. And this is where the so-called "climate science" fails miserably because it only accepts evidence which supports the theory, however tenuous, and ignores everything which contradicts, no matter how significant.

    Let's take a look at the Arctic ice shall we? You know all about it as the "scientists" whom you admire predicted that it would be gone this summer or next, then in maybe a decade or so, now many are widely declining to predict when it will be gone, because it is growing rapidly as even you will see if you take a look at the NSDAIC pictures which appear every day. So here we see climate change but in the reverse to the way your friends predicted and cooling taking place. Maybe some of those friends should have stuck to the story of global cooling that they were predicting in the 1970s.

    Your vilification of Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt did not come as a surprise, in fact it was anticipated. May I remind you that it was the Chief Scientist who brought Andrew Bolt into this argument by accusing him of putting words into his mouth when a record of the interview in which the CS uttered the words supposedly "put into his mouth" by Andrew Bolt shows that Bolt was correct. The CS has made things worse by publishing an excuse in which he argues that just because there is nothing effective that Australia can do, it is no excuse for doing nothing. So, what do you do when there is nothing you can do?

    Finally, if climate change is going to destroy the Barrier Reef why was it necessary for James Cook to fire Peter Ridd? Surely time would have dealt with him by proving him wrong? Same for Susan Crockford, fired for arguing that predictions that polar bears were facing extinction? The answer to both questions is obvious, time is proving that Ridd and Crockford were right so they had to be silenced for obvious reasons.

    And if temperatures are really reaching record levels, why has it been necessary to "homogenize" (rig) past temperature records? Australia's rainforest is burning for the first time, you say. Prove it!

    You say that Australia is responsible for more than the small amount of so-called greenhouse gases we produce because we export coal to other countries. Yet another nonsense argument. If these countries were not using high grade coal from Australia, they would be using lower grade coal from elsewhere and the end result would be even more "greenhouse gases."
    maxchugg
    13th Jan 2020
    8:07am
    Hello Hoohoo. Having provided a few of the huge number of examples of predictions made by "climate scientists", I'm still waiting for you to provide even a couple of examples of where they have made predictions which have come true.

    You did quite well at school picking to pieces scientific methods. Which means that you were, at that time, observing scientific method which requires ever possible attempt to be before it becomes accepted as scientific fact. If the methods you so skillfully destroyed they were not science in the first place. And this is where the so-called "climate science" fails miserably because it only accepts evidence which supports the theory, however tenuous, and ignores everything which contradicts, no matter how significant.

    Let's take a look at the Arctic ice shall we? You know all about it as the "scientists" whom you admire predicted that it would be gone this summer or next, then in maybe a decade or so, now many are widely declining to predict when it will be gone, because it is growing rapidly as even you will see if you take a look at the NSDAIC pictures which appear every day. So here we see climate change but in the reverse to the way your friends predicted and cooling taking place. Maybe some of those friends should have stuck to the story of global cooling that they were predicting in the 1970s.

    Your vilification of Craig Kelly and Andrew Bolt did not come as a surprise, in fact it was anticipated. May I remind you that it was the Chief Scientist who brought Andrew Bolt into this argument by accusing him of putting words into his mouth when a record of the interview in which the CS uttered the words supposedly "put into his mouth" by Andrew Bolt shows that Bolt was correct. The CS has made things worse by publishing an excuse in which he argues that just because there is nothing effective that Australia can do, it is no excuse for doing nothing. So, what do you do when there is nothing you can do?

    Finally, if climate change is going to destroy the Barrier Reef why was it necessary for James Cook to fire Peter Ridd? Surely time would have dealt with him by proving him wrong? Same for Susan Crockford, fired for arguing that predictions that polar bears were facing extinction? The answer to both questions is obvious, time is proving that Ridd and Crockford were right so they had to be silenced for obvious reasons.

    And if temperatures are really reaching record levels, why has it been necessary to "homogenize" (rig) past temperature records? Australia's rainforest is burning for the first time, you say. Prove it!

    You say that Australia is responsible for more than the small amount of so-called greenhouse gases we produce because we export coal to other countries. Yet another nonsense argument. If these countries were not using high grade coal from Australia, they would be using lower grade coal from elsewhere and the end result would be even more "greenhouse gases."
    Misty
    13th Jan 2020
    11:30am
    Ross Garnow predicted 9 years ago that in the year 2020 this would likely be the outcome for Australia if we didn't reduce our emissions and he has been proved correct. I am listening now to Josh Freidenberg stating that Climate Change is real and we have to reduce our emissions, the PM has also come out and said Climate Change is real so even you LNP Climate Change deniers will just have to suck it up because your own party is changing its beliefs. The PM is no longer the preferred PM, Anthony Alabanese has now taken that title.
    Hoohoo
    13th Jan 2020
    2:18pm
    I saw Frydenberg and Morrison admit climate change is real, too, Misty, but they are still holding to their old policy and still want to use up carbon credits from Kyoto Agreement so they can reach their Paris targets. They've been forced into the admission because of the reality of the situation that even THEY can't deny, and maxchugg, they can't even prove it, according to you.

    Do you need a scientific study of every extreme and unprecedented weather event to satisfy your demand of proof, maxchugg? In April 2017, some friends received 28 inches (700ml) of rain over 24 hours which caused a landslide on their rainforest property. Their car and carport ended up down the bottom, on the bank of the rocky creek, tangled up in mud and fence wire. The Lismore CBD catastrophically went under water, despite a new levee which was designed to make the CBD flood-proof. The water came down so fast that the warning stations didn't call the alarm to businesses in time. Before the levee was built, businesses were warned to move their goods onto the second floor to avoid water damage.
    Then, only 2 years & 4 months later, not only is that rainforest creek not flowing, it's bone dry and the residents were warned to leave because the rainforest fire was less than 10klm away and bearing down on them. Is that proof of the EXTREMES climate scientists warned of, or are you going to call that anecdotal because the likes of Andrew Bolt and Craig Kelly told you so?

    The government certainly has a credibility problem they have to hurdle, but they can't be seen to lose face because they might be abandoned by Murdoch, Alan Jones, Clive Palmer, Tony Abbott, Andrew Bolt, Craig Kelly, ? Hadley and all those other powerful loudmouths. The LNP know they can't win elections without the help of their propaganda.
    maxchugg
    13th Jan 2020
    6:51pm
    Hoohoo, I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but what I want is an answer to my question, can you give a couple of examples of predictions by the "climate scientists" which have come true? After all, I restrict the examples I give only in the interests of saving space because the few that I have given are only a tiny portion of what is available.

    The best you seem to be able to do is cite recent examples of extreme weather events and ignoring past events which have been the part of Earth's climate for millennia. Australia had droughts in 1864 - 66: 1868: 1880 -86; 1888; 1895 - 1903; 1915 - 16; 1918 - 20; 1939 -45; 1858; - 68; 1982 - 83. In the US the pattern is identical. The cause of the seasons of droughts and flooding rain is climate change, which has been an ever present reality in the past and will continue to be so in the future.

    A decade or so back, the "climate scientists" used the loss of Arctic ice as conclusive proof of global warming. Yet in 1922 a newspaper report showed that there was far less ice that year than has been seen in the last few decades. On the other hand, in London ice fairs were held on the frozen River Thames. Climate change is real, global temperatures rise and fall and there is nothing which can be done to alter this fact.

    Your approach is typical of the abandonment of scientific method which is being used in the climate change/global warming debate. Anything, no matter how tenuous, is touted as conclusive proof of the pseudo science, everything which contradicts the theory is ignored. When confronted with embarrassing facts you invariably resort to accusations of cherry picking which is exactly what you do whenever your theories are confronted by facts.
    maxchugg
    13th Jan 2020
    6:51pm
    Hoohoo, I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but what I want is an answer to my question, can you give a couple of examples of predictions by the "climate scientists" which have come true? After all, I restrict the examples I give only in the interests of saving space because the few that I have given are only a tiny portion of what is available.

    The best you seem to be able to do is cite recent examples of extreme weather events and ignoring past events which have been the part of Earth's climate for millennia. Australia had droughts in 1864 - 66: 1868: 1880 -86; 1888; 1895 - 1903; 1915 - 16; 1918 - 20; 1939 -45; 1858; - 68; 1982 - 83. In the US the pattern is identical. The cause of the seasons of droughts and flooding rain is climate change, which has been an ever present reality in the past and will continue to be so in the future.

    A decade or so back, the "climate scientists" used the loss of Arctic ice as conclusive proof of global warming. Yet in 1922 a newspaper report showed that there was far less ice that year than has been seen in the last few decades. On the other hand, in London ice fairs were held on the frozen River Thames. Climate change is real, global temperatures rise and fall and there is nothing which can be done to alter this fact.

    Your approach is typical of the abandonment of scientific method which is being used in the climate change/global warming debate. Anything, no matter how tenuous, is touted as conclusive proof of the pseudo science, everything which contradicts the theory is ignored. When confronted with embarrassing facts you invariably resort to accusations of cherry picking which is exactly what you do whenever your theories are confronted by facts.
    musicveg
    13th Jan 2020
    7:06pm
    MaxChugg, I think HooHoo is trying to point out that cliimate changes are more extreme and more frequent than ever before, that has become common knowledge. Maybe you guys should start a new thread, this argument is never ending. We need to come together for the greater good and not go on about who is right or wrong.
    Misty
    13th Jan 2020
    10:35pm
    Rsss Garnau is not a scientist but he wrote a report for Kevin Rudd many years ago and predicted these fires are what would be happening in the year 2020.
    maxchugg
    14th Jan 2020
    8:47am
    Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate.

    To have a fire you need fuel, something which has been allowed to accumulate because the lessons from Black Saturday were not learned. And unless sensible preventative action is taken now, and fuel loads allowed to accumulate, it is safe to predict that history will repeat itself in around 7 years.

    The point of view of the NSW Volunteer Fire Fighters should be taken into consideration, surely they know a little more than an economist, a biologist, or the luddite greens:

    https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/green-ideology-not-climate-change-makes-bushfires-worse
    maxchugg
    14th Jan 2020
    8:47am
    Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate.

    To have a fire you need fuel, something which has been allowed to accumulate because the lessons from Black Saturday were not learned. And unless sensible preventative action is taken now, and fuel loads allowed to accumulate, it is safe to predict that history will repeat itself in around 7 years.

    The point of view of the NSW Volunteer Fire Fighters should be taken into consideration, surely they know a little more than an economist, a biologist, or the luddite greens:

    https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/green-ideology-not-climate-change-makes-bushfires-worse
    Misty
    14th Jan 2020
    11:21am
    maxchugg you don't need to post every comment twice to get your point across, you can click on remove to get rid of the double up.
    Hoohoo
    14th Jan 2020
    5:46pm
    The trends are more important than the events by themselves. It is true, major droughts are usually broken by major floods. But the Lismore example I gave was the other way around - an EXTREME record flood followed closely by an EXTREME record drought and UNPRECEDENTED, EXTREME record fire season.

    Perhaps you're not comprehending my posts, maxchugg? I don't blame you - I've stopped reading most of yours, twice. I don't trust your sources of information in a similar way you don't trust the ABC to be that rare thing - a news service that tells it like it is without pressure from big business.
    Misty
    15th Jan 2020
    10:38pm
    Well Rupert Murdoch's son James might have a thing or two to say about how big business influences governments, he had a lot to say the last couple of days about his dad and how he tackles Climate Change, he is not impressed, to say the least, James is not a Climate Denier it seems.
    Hoohoo
    17th Jan 2020
    6:57pm
    It seems they are trying to change the subject into "yeah, we've always believed in climate change" when really, they don't want to change their policy or address our part in it in any way.

    Even maxchugg admits that climate change is real and quotes the Chief Scientist.
    max said (above) "Ross Garnaut predicted the 2020 fire season, did he? And what should we do? Reduce our emissions. Yet the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have virtually no effect on the climate." So to reiterate, the Chief Scientist said that reducing our emissions would have some small effect on the climate. And if we added to that by also stopping digging up coal and stopped fracking CSG gas (which emits a lot of lost methane in the process, methane being 20 times more destructive than carbon dioxide emissions), AND we stopped selling that 4% of the world's emissions overseas to be burnt there, we really CAN change things globally by our human behaviour in Australia.
    Virginia
    6th Jan 2020
    11:33am
    And the press make it worse by letting firebugs know its a good day to light a fire. Already here they have arrested two blokees!!!!!!!
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:21pm
    If we were at war the news media would give away the position of all our defence sites to the enemy. They already have in few instances.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:51pm
    Those caught need a fair catching a fair drumhead trial and a fair lynching...

    I say try 'em under Terrorism laws... give 'em 25 to life without..
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:27pm
    28 charges in NSW for deliberately lighting/bushfire offences.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:27pm
    Sorry - 28 charged - some with multiple offences.
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    5:30pm
    Arsonists should be incarcerated in low security gaols or mental institutions, for they are mentally ill. They need help and we need protection from them and the only way is to lock them up.

    They are often immature males who do this. They should be hit hard the very first time they're caught and have their liberty denied until they realise their actions are a form of terrorism. This should be the case whether they destroy property and/or kill people/wildlife/livestock, or not. It's not a game. Nip it in the bud, HARD.
    Macheke
    6th Jan 2020
    11:33am
    The main thing is that at the moment the focus should be on the immediate risks and management of them. Criticisms of the government can wait until later. The main thing is to unite to fight the immediate problems and not add to these by having the government needing to spend precious time managing public sentiment. The fact you are on a family holiday doesn’t mean that you are not able to manage things. I can understand how as a family man you would be torn by the conflicting needs of the family and the need to come home. Let’s just focus for now on the immediate important issues.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:29pm
    The media and a certain other political party who is really just trying to take the heat off themselves should pull their head in and stop all this nonsense that is doing no one any good at all.

    PM had every right to go on holidays and even had the support of the opposition leader to do so.

    To those who badgered him to come home well shame on you.

    To the people of Cobargo who treated out PM so badly even their fire controller had to walk away in disgust shame on you too.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    2:48pm
    Shame on you too VeryNOTCaringBigBear, the people of Cobargo had every right to vent their anger, this Govt was warned months ago that more needed to be done to help fight fires and the request for meetings were ignored.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:22pm
    In the fire controller's place I'd have walked away to let him handle it himself and not become involved.. a fire controller does not have total command over civilians.... we are not yet a nation of SchutzStaffeln ..... give us another two years or so...
    Hoohoo
    8th Jan 2020
    5:52pm
    Every time the government is criticised it cries "stop politicising the fires" when in fact, THEY are the ones who politicised action on climate change, dragging our whole country down with them. They've even got Labor wedged and towing their immoral line regarding digging up and burning fossil fuels, as if to continue burning them will not add to the problems in our atmosphere. How childish is it to believe that 1% of expert scientists are correct and 99% of them are deluded?

    The PM is entitled to a holiday with his family but where he totally neglected his duty happened months and years ago. He was that goose holding a chunk of coal in Parliament, was he not? He also ignored the fire chiefs months before this current, still unfolding disaster. Morrison is to blame, along with Abbott, Dutton, Clive Palmer, Craig Kelly, Murdochs, Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, shockjock loudmouths, etc. People who voted for them are also to blame, knowing they snuffed the NEG for their fossil fuel field day. It's biting the whole country on the bum now, as it was always going to. Was it worth selling your souls for 30 pieces of silver?
    ex PS
    15th Jan 2020
    7:56am
    That's the problem with this government, they have to understand, just because they have a right to do something, does not mean that it is right to do it.
    It seems some of us have higher expectations of the extraordinary men and women who volunteer for the Emergency Services than a man who is paid to be a Leader.
    He has been measured, and he has been found wanting, in so many different ways. He said to one journalist in one of his thoughtless rants that he did not hold a hose so there was no need to be here, how about being here to support those who do hold the hoses Prime Minister?
    SOOTY has had his chance and failed, not even the tried and true method of replacing the PM will save the Party this time, they have all backed his disastrous policies all the way. The only way to control this malignant growth is to excise the whole thing.
    venturers
    6th Jan 2020
    11:40am
    Appearing in a suit and tie amongst battle weary fieries and volunteers was not providing a good image of a leader who is understanding and compassionate.
    However
    My criticism of the authorities at this time is "too little too late".
    A national disaster needs the leadership of someone like Peter(sir) Cosgrove. The leader needs to be battle tested and proven competent. The numerous committees arising from this disaster will be too busy posturing and seeking fame to be effective.
    The leader in this situation will need to be able to manage the power battle and keep a clear head when factions are screaming for recognition.
    Do we have anyone available?
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:21pm
    OMG now you are even critical of the clothes Mr Morrison wears! FFS!!!
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:52pm
    Yes the ex RFS wanted to meet with the authorities months ago to plan for these situations and were refused a meeting, too little too late is right.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:34pm
    Criticism is not helping anyone especially those doing their job. I certainly don't want a PM with all airs and graces that really does nothing at all like so many we have had in the past.

    Mr Morrison had just been to a funeral and went straight to the fire ground as it was more important than going home to change his clothes. People of Cobargo didn't deserve his visit they way they treated him.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:52pm
    .. nor does wanking it by wearing a firie outfit and helmet... look like you just leapt off the job and into the fray..
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:24pm
    Advisor to Scotty:- "wear the scuffed shoes, shirt and pants, no tie, hair tousled, sleeves rolled up - and look like you've been doing something..."
    Gra
    6th Jan 2020
    3:40pm
    Misty so you're suggesting the current RFS/CFA Commissioners don't know anything? I believe they would be the people needing to speak to the PM, not some has beens wanting to push their Climate Change agenda.
    VCBB according to the Cobargo publican those people harassing Morrison weren't even residents of the town, they were only fringe dwellers. The actual residents didn't get a chance to speak to the PM because of that rabble.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    4:05pm
    Gra - fringe dwellers are still people who live in the area... **rolls eyes** - they may choose a life in the trees to one in town - where do they vote in council elections?

    I thought Redneck attitudes were passe`..
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    4:07pm
    Is Old Harry The Farmer from five mile down the road a 'fringe dweller' - or a 'townie'?

    Jesus, people - it is the 21st Century... 'ties to the community' are nationwide...
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    4:59pm
    So Gra are you suggesting that retired firefighters, who previously held senior positions and have had many years of fighting fires experience, don't know what they are talking about?.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    9:51pm
    Yes I am well aware of who those people at Cobargo actually were as I have been in contact with some of the Cobargo residents.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:02pm
    So if you choose not to live in town, BB, you have no right to a say? They're 'hippies' and such living in the bush, so they are a lesser class and do not have the same rights? That sounds like the idea that pensioners are a 'lesser class' than the glorious self fundeds...

    Told you about Redneck attitudes...
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:34am
    All I am saying is that these people are not representive of the community and the community is disgusted with their behaviour.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:34am
    All I am saying is that these people are not representive of the community and the community is disgusted with their behaviour.
    Misty
    7th Jan 2020
    4:49pm
    You do not speak for the whole community in Cobargo and surrounding area VCBB, neither do the few people you have spoken to, you or others do not know what the rest of the community there feel or think or are you psychic?.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    8:42pm
    At least this ongoing crisis has wiped that insufferable smirk off Morrison's face.

    He showed great disrespect to those exhausted firefighters, by grabbing their left hands when they refused to shake with their right hands. No means no, doesn't it?

    He swished into those fire-ravaged communities like he was the new Messiah, presuming everyone would want to shake his hand. He has no insight into just how angry people are with him, and with good reason. They didn't vote for him. Every time he does something (or does nothing when he should be doing something) and says "This is what Australia voted for", he doesn't realise how alienating it is for all those people who didn't vote for the LNP and it's lackeys. Sure, it ticks all the boxes for the rusted on right wingers, but he doesn't understand how infuriating it is for the rest of us. His belief in miracles doesn't help Australia in any way.
    musicveg
    10th Jan 2020
    9:03pm
    Glad someone else see's it like I do, for once the PM is looking serious which is the way a PM should look, hopefully it will shake him up enough to make the right changes, but I fear that this disaster will turn into another money spinner for his business mates just like the job providers for the unemployed who do nothing to help those unemployed other than demean them and try to take credit for jobs people get themselves.
    Many people who did not vote Labor or LNP voted "other" in the hope for change.
    Neil
    6th Jan 2020
    11:52am
    Leon if you think Morrison is wrong then you tell me what you would have done ?
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:53pm
    .. What I'm trying to do right now - raise funds to purchase an in-being fleet of excellent water bombers, such as Greg Mullins was talking about... in the interim get some good ones in early.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:54pm
    Of course, by the time water bombers of great effect etc are in place - they will not be needed urgently - and five years down the track some assethole will be decrying their 'waste' as costly items sitting around.

    Bosnia has got six of them..... they must be flush with money over there...
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    3:02pm
    Who's money are Bosnia flush with? Trebor
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:27pm
    Indeed.. who's? Maybe we need a new Marshall Plan for us....

    I said they 'must be flush with money' - not that they were - maybe it's all in the way the money is organised.... you know - a few fewer QANGOs here, a few less there... a bit less on non-core 'infrastructure' and more on real solid underpinnings, one or ten fewer private fiefdoms for old party mates in 'commissions'/Star Chambers, etc...
    Dazza
    6th Jan 2020
    12:09pm
    In regard to Leon's article, where does he come up with "half a billion" animals dead!!!
    Say's who? Is there people out there counting them? Typical of "journo's" to just come up with some outrageous statement ( which cannot be verified ) and we're just supposed to accept it without challenge or query. As for ScoMo well, since you're the Prime Minister, no holidays for you old pal, just stick to it 24/7- 365. Sad to think that the country simply cannot function without ScoMo at the helm. Although I must admit, leaving the country with that idiot Nat.leader ( so ineffectual,I can't even think of his name ) in charge is a worry, no wonder ScoMo scooted back home. Someone mentioned the "lefty leaning" journo's all over ScoMo like a cheap suit, but nary a mention of the "MIA" state premiers.
    No media bias there!! Maybe they're still p****s't off because he didn't let them know he was going on a holiday. Boo,hoo!!
    One thing you have to admit, ScoMo is the most responsible person in the country, because whatever goes wrong, he's responsible..............
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:33pm
    Some people don't understand that the Prime Minister does not call the shots of his own bat, he has to work with majority consensus of his Cabinet and Security Counsel, the majority is then represented by the elected prime spokesperson, namely, the Prime Minister.
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    1:15pm
    Tony acted on his own. Cabinet Ministers are all linked by electronic means these days and the sort of decision required could have been approved very quickly although the political consideration such as never admitting that climate change played a part would need to be carefully discussed with the spin doctors.
    Tanker
    6th Jan 2020
    1:15pm
    Tony acted on his own. Cabinet Ministers are all linked by electronic means these days and the sort of decision required could have been approved very quickly although the political consideration such as never admitting that climate change played a part would need to be carefully discussed with the spin doctors.
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:23pm
    Tanker do you have to say everything twice?
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:54pm
    Mabe he needs to to get it hrough to some people.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:56pm
    As representative of the government to the people - he should be in meetings geeing up the party to give him his response - it's called leadership - not just the urgent desire to hold on to your spot at any cost by sucking down to the level of some in the party and their supporters.

    A leader says:- "This is what's needed NOW - let me tell the people it's on - or I'm out!"
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:27pm
    You understand what is this 'estimate'?
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    8:59am
    I agree with Arvo, this is not the fault of just one man, his party and the National Party are both to blame for this fiasco.
    Think about their decision to ignore the good of the people in favour of winning an election the next time you vote.
    The rot has spread tonthe core, changing "Leaders" will not save them this time.
    clydecladidlehopper
    6th Jan 2020
    12:13pm
    This is the first comment I have made on YLC.
    AdBob wrote: "Lightweight political point scoring by the usual suspects - ie mainly the climate alarmists whose actions (as greenies - usually the same people) in restricting controlled burns are one if the main causes of the ferocity of these fires,"
    I think you all should read this informative article published months ago that clearly states that all the backburning conducted by experienced firies could not stop these wildfires:
    https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/story/6494023/opinion-we-did-burnoffs-badja-sparks-hits-back/
    Please read the article to the very end. Then you might understand how people in the bush feel.
    Sceptic
    6th Jan 2020
    2:57pm
    Please learn the difference between backburning and hazard reduction burns.
    clydecladidlehopper
    6th Jan 2020
    3:34pm
    Obviously you didn't read the article....

    I'm a farmer and usually conduct hazard reduction burns annually, but it was considered too dangerous this year by the local fire warden.

    and I admit that I made a mistake in my post so I'll change it too:

    I think you all should read this informative article published months ago that clearly states that all the hazard reduction burning conducted by experienced firies could not stop these wildfires:

    https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/story/6494023/opinion-we-did-burnoffs-badja-sparks-hits-back/

    Please read the article to the very end. Then you might understand how people in the bush feel.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    5:02pm
    Don't think too many of those commenting here will read that clydecladidlehopper because they might have to change their thinking then, and that goes against the grain.
    Hoohoo
    18th Jan 2020
    11:02am
    I recall the hazard reduction fires conducted around Sydney, mainly in Blue Mountains (last May?) had people in the city whingeing about all the smoke they caused. Often city folk have no idea of the logistics of managing bushfires in this country, and as clydecladidlehopper explained earlier, the window to conduct controlled fires simple wasn't open to many landowners trying to do the right thing.

    Unfortunately, this issue was politicised so that many decided it was inner city latte-sipping Greenies that stopped landowners and National Parks from conducting controlled burns, when in fact it was safety that ruled the day, not Greenies. And I'd like to know how Greenies can stop farmers and Nat. Parks from conducting controlled burns - I had no idea Greenies had such power.

    Most infuriating was the very same entities that politicised this situation were the very same ones, in the face of the devastation for communities experiencing catastrophic fires in NSW/Vic, abused Greenies and others for politicising their misery! Oh, the hypocrisy! While THEY did nothing and promised to do nothing more in the future!
    Tricky
    6th Jan 2020
    12:13pm
    The PM left the country when it was in crises without telling the public to open a Hillsong Church in Hawaii. Mick Kelty did a report into Emergency Mgmt in September, PM has ignored his recommendations. Rural Fire Services requested $11m from Fed Government for aviation fire fighting 5 years ago, this request was ignored by PM. NSW Premier ripped money out of NPWS and NSWRFS to pay for Grand Stand in Sydney. The RFS and many other volunteer services do a remarkable job. PM is now trying to get in front of the game. He is not a leader!
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:43pm
    Tricky- "Rural Fire Services requested $11m from Fed Government for aviation fire fighting 5 years ago, this request was ignored by PM"

    How's your form?

    5 years ago Tony Abbott was the Prime Minister, 18 September
    2013 to 15 September 2015
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    12:56pm
    Except Arvo, that $11m and another $11m has been given.
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    1:07pm
    KSS- You missed the irony of the point. Tony Abbott was a volunteer fire fighter at that time as well as the PM...and " the request was ignored"
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:38pm
    Arvo and Mr Abbott is still out there fighting fires. And I don't hear people complaining that he saved their homes! Yet they complained bitterly when he was doing the same thing as PM! Likewise his surf lifesaving.

    What are you doing - apart from being an armchair critic?
    Tricky
    6th Jan 2020
    1:54pm
    KSS: Please read todays Sydney Morning Herald re Request for funding for aerial fire fighting rejected two years ago by SCOMO the PM. Thoughts and Prayers.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:32pm
    Jeez - I'm looking at raising a half bill to fund half a dozen Canadair CL-415s as a fleet in being, ready to waterbomb at the drop of a match.. and then there is a need for ongoing funding via fund-raising..

    $11m? Buy you:

    "The Very Large Air Tanker operating out of NSW this year is said to cost nearly $50,000 an hour for every hour it is in the air, and not much less when it is simply on standby on the ground. "

    https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/water-bombing-and-magic-bullets

    Oh - say 55 hours in the air, without ground time....
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:42pm
    Buggar - that's 220 hours in the air.. 20 per $1m... so if we look at 7/11ths Air Time - that's really about 20 x 7 = 140 hours in the air... add cost of fire retardants etc...

    The bigger and shiner the toy, the sexier it is in the eyes of the political class..

    I watched one drop retardant here - it took five passes to line up, in company with a Controller in another aircraft who lead the way in each time... then it dropped two runs of fire retardant. So let's say - the Controller was in an turbo-prop aircraft - you can add another 50% to the cost of one drop that probably took two hours air time... we're talking $300k for one small drop - makes $11m look pretty sad. Even before that one came along - the 737 - we had the BAE aircraft come by and then move on to a more important job without dropping its load... we would have to be getting close to well over half a million for two small drops...

    This is a farce... THIS is what I and Greg Mullins are talking about:-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHuoXD_VmBs

    MUCH quicker turnaround, too!
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    8:59pm
    I watched a video - one of these filled with water in eight seconds.... and they can turn around 4-5 times an hour, instead of having to land to refill... I stood on the lookout here today and looked over where there had been two fires... on a flat ocean day or in the lakes here, those planes would have about a ten minute turnaround... think on it people.... 5-6 dumps an hour.... each.. six planes..... one billion dullahs to get it up and in running...
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    9:02am
    Wouldn't be the first time a firefighter started fires. Abbot didn't light a match, he did the damage by inaction.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    8:56pm
    Yes, ex PS, Abbott was the Minister for Women, too. I think more would've been achieved had the position been left vacant.

    Just because you're on the payroll, doesn't mean you know how to do the job.

    The LNP under Abbott had a policy to address climate change called "Direct Action". Yep, they directly paid big polluters to not pollute as much as they did the previous year. Then they said renewables were the cause of energy price rises. The first thing he did was get rid of Gillard's "great big tax on carbon", the only thing that has since been shown to have actually reduced power prices. The LNP are a bunch of ignorant, selfish geese.
    musicveg
    10th Jan 2020
    9:14pm
    And HooHoo think about the billions in subsidies their polluting mates get, a lot more than the money promised to spend on infrastructure in bush fire affected areas. I wonder who will get most of that money they have put aside to help rebuild and how long it will take or is this money going to be held back by red tape?
    4b2
    6th Jan 2020
    12:15pm
    This Bush fire season has shown up what a disastrous and pathetic and incompetent bunch of politicians we have at present.
    It isn't about taking a vacation, but the way it was mismanaged. No announcement about taking the vacation and who was in charge. Big Mack wouldn't confirm or deny, the PMs office rejected the idea. The BS artist then said it was a promise to his family because he would be traveling OS for very important trade conferences too India and Japan. (Not important now).
    When the experts asked for a meeting six months ago no response, tried to hand ball it over to other non perfprming minsters.
    Worst of all was his bully boy tactics in pressing people to shake his hand. This action in a work place would be classed as bullying.
    Then there is all of the BS about the responsibility is the States, the Greens stopped the burn offs ect, ect.

    We should be grateful for the RFS leadership, and way the NSW Government have performed in this crises. (No BS from them).

    The quick political advertisement on Saturday was another disaster along with the continuing blame game from the Liar from the Shire always some one else's fault probably Labor's fault again or the Greens.
    Time for another leadership spill.
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    8:01am
    Everyone needs to have time off to spend with family - the difference is that people like me, who were on 24/7 alert and literally never home, don't generally have a family by the time we want to 'spend time with my family'.... unlike the pampered classes.

    I worked for a living...
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    9:04am
    Wouldn't it be nice if troops on the front line could be sent home to spend Christmas with their families in the middle of a battle. Or maybe just the generals?
    Nifty
    6th Jan 2020
    12:26pm
    A couple of points. We have been warned, warned, and warned again. In the current crisis, it is worth remembering that in the past 18 months or so, we have seen Townsville go under water, hundreds of thousands of cattle drowned in flash flooding, wet tropics and temperate rainforest burned, an ongoing drought, towns running out of water, and now the burning of Australia. For a number of reasons, we have allowed governments to dither, and kick the can down the road. We can break the situation into two pieces. One is what can we do with what we have at this time. Items could be related to fire prevention and water storage and methods of distribution. We could take example from what is happening in Whyalla. The second is relative to our contribution to future emissions, not just airborne pollution. We can do better. We can lead. We can stop abusing each other, and focus on the job in hand.
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:58pm
    Someone interested in world events would say, "It's very bad for Australia" BUT, most countries in the tropics world wide are suffering from bushfires at the same time , especially and immensely in Central Africa from East to West coast. Apart from fires in America and Brazil being in the news media the other countries have not been given any mention.
    The entire tropics is on fire !
    Hoohoo
    10th Jan 2020
    9:11pm
    And yet the rainforest near me burned. Why? There is no water in the creeks of the rainforest, let alone waterfalls. Ground water seems to have stopped flowing into natural springs.

    And yet, there are 4-5 water bottling (plastic bottles) mines which are allowed to take ground water from aquifers at no cost. Meanwhile, locals have to pay for drinking water because their tanks, dams and creeks have long run dry. All the water mines are required to do is have their local council give them approval and then a rubber stamp from the NSW Planning Department. Our laws that allow this type of thing is a disgrace.

    When will our laws respect people and country before corporate profits? We'd better get onto it soon because we're losing the war and the warmongerers own nearly everything.
    musicveg
    10th Jan 2020
    9:20pm
    When I saw all the bottled water being delivered by the army to bush fire areas I thought well the bottled water companies are doing well then. Yes it is disgusting it is happening all over the world bottled water companies running the aquifers dry, and mining does too. Adani wants an unlimited supply. We will all end up drinking recycled or desalinated water soon, if things do not change for the better. But 2019 it was the driest and hottest year on record so that plays a huge part on why the rivers run dry.
    Sen.Cit.90
    6th Jan 2020
    12:35pm
    My question is "Why are so many fires started simultaneously but far apart?" I hope that the Federal Police and Home Secretary is asking the same question.
    Arvo
    6th Jan 2020
    12:49pm
    Likewise. Very suspicious. Looks planned and strategic.
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:38pm
    By the Greens to shore up thier 'climate emergency' agenda?
    Tricky
    6th Jan 2020
    1:59pm
    Ember attacks can be carried for miles, dry lightning storms, back burns that go wrong, property owners doing illegal burns, machinery being used in extreme weather conditions and arsonists. There have been several arrests for arsonists and property owners doing illegal burns. Then you have persons growing cannabis in national parks putting in burns to protect there crops.
    Greg
    6th Jan 2020
    2:36pm
    You have no idea do you, suggestion it was on purpose is bloody disgraceful.

    As Tricky said embers can be carried for miles, I had massive amounts of burnt leaves in the garden from a fire 30-40 km away.

    Conditions is the big problem on certain days, fires start regularly you just don't hear about them because they go out on their own or the fire brigade put them out easily. When the conditions are bad (hot, dry and LOW HUMIDITY) the fires keep going, burn strongly and the fire brigade cannot get on top of them.

    Some fires are started by people but most are started unintentionally, the Marsden Park (Sydney) one was a guy using an angle grinder, smokers throwing out butts, glass in the bush magnifying the suns rays and starting a fire. Many reason why fires start and like I said when the conditions are bad the fires run.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:05pm
    28 charged with deliberately lighting fires in NSW - total charges laid against over 200 people...

    Pretty damned stupid if you ask me... and some 'ankles' is lighting fires to the north of here - they just keep popping up - we need a drone or two in the air. I know how I'd approach it if I were the law - which means that is what they are doing now... playing it close to the chest and not wanting the crowd with pitch-forks and a rope outside the jail house...
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:25am
    The majority have been deliberately lit.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:25am
    The majority have been deliberately lit.
    musicveg
    8th Jan 2020
    6:02pm
    Stop spreading false news VCB
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/false-arson-claims-spread-on-social-media-amid-australian-bushfire-crisis?cx_cid=edm:newspm:2019
    Hoohoo
    11th Jan 2020
    1:30am
    Fire bugs are a bit like mass murderers with guns - the less attention you give them the less joy they derive. I don't want to hear their names in my head while the victims, their families and friends and communities, suffer. The mass media should be more respectful to the victims.
    inextratime
    6th Jan 2020
    1:00pm
    Dear Mr Morrison, Go to the climate change switch. Turn the switch about 2cms to the right. That will change the climate, reduce the drought and stop the bush fires. Something Mr Rudd, Ms Gillard and Mr Rudd, again, should have done some time ago. Its all your fault.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    9:13am
    When driving a car you hit the brakes before you hit a wall, not after you have hit it.
    Fail to plan, plan to fail.
    Rudd and Gilard saw the danger and tried to hit the brake, the likes of Abbot and Costello being the clowns they were, threw themselves between the operators and the brake.
    You can't blame thosecthat try and fail as much as those who know there is a problem and do nothing to solve it.
    You can't reduce the effects of Climate Change with accountants and spreadsheets you actually have to do something concrete.
    inextratime
    6th Jan 2020
    1:00pm
    Dear Mr Morrison, Go to the climate change switch. Turn the switch about 2cms to the right. That will change the climate, reduce the drought and stop the bush fires. Something Mr Rudd, Ms Gillard and Mr Rudd, again, should have done some time ago. Its all your fault.
    Bakka
    6th Jan 2020
    1:07pm
    Yes, really sad indictment on some sections of our society who look for a singular whipping post( person).. other than themselves of course ,for everything from natural disasters to anything you like.
    Sure The PM could have handled things a lot better in hindsight but remember , natural disasters are a STATE responsibility under our Federation system...maybe that needs more of our focus than looking for one person to blame for everything...
    However somehow I doubt these “ wingers “ will ever stop...you can always be disappointed but never surprised by the conduct of some.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    9:00pm
    Right wingers or left wingers - or are they whingers?
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    9:21am
    Quite right Bakka, this is not the fault of just one man, every person in his Party must share the blame for politically motivated innactivity.
    They put the country at risk in order to win elections.
    Action that would have cost the voters millions will now cost billions, just heard from the Treasurer, the essential surplus is in doubt, but in his words" The surplus is not a means to an end :".
    How quickly these fools can spin in opposite directions when required.
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:14pm
    In the rush to condemn Mr Morrison, people seem to have forgotten that he is limited with what he can do because the States have the authority. The States have been falling down on the job (not requesting resources, going on holiday, poor communication etc) yet you are all blaming Mr Morrison just like the press and other media is doing.

    Australia has now developed the habit of pushing everything onto the Federal Government then criticising it when it can't solve what are legally and morally the State/Territory problems. If you are in favour of getting rid of Federation and becoming a single state Government then there may be a case for doing precisely this. As it is, people have no concept of how they are governed and exactly who is responsible for what through each of the three tiers of governance we have here (local councils, State/Territory and Federal Governments).

    Stop the whining and gleeful evisceration of current Government at least until the fires are out. There will be plenty of time then to investigate the causes and successes/failures of action and systems then. There has already been a call for a RC (yes! Yet another one) and this has not been dissmissed. There will also be other investigations at the State level too no doubt. Time enough then for recriminations and blame to be laid at the feet of those responsible.

    In the meantime it would behove the likes of Labor and the Greens to hold back on the political point scoring at the expense of those who have lost everything to the fires - at least until such time when they are shown to be completely blameless in this crisis at all levels of governance. (highly unlikely though)They won't be blameless of course but we do need to give them the benefit of a fair hearing - something they do not afford others!

    As for so called international celebrities weighing in with their opinions, they are totally irrelevant. They barely know where Australia is - except when they get a cheque for ticket sales!
    Tricky
    6th Jan 2020
    1:45pm
    KSS I think the word you are looking for is Disaster Management, PM has the responsibility in concert with states to deploy and fund Disaster Management, As I recall there is an Act of Parliament concerning this matter.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:58pm
    In times of disaster surely the PM and Federal Govt take prority over the states.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:30pm
    They took forever to declare it a disaster - hence smoke and mirrors says no need to engage...
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    9:27am
    KSS, he is not limited in any way as to how he chooses to present himself as a Leader.
    In this alone he has demonstrated to me that he is just an expensive suit inflated by so much hot air.
    He can not run from the personal decisions he has made during this political fiasco.
    TREBOR, he took his time because declaring a National Disaster does not tie in with his spin about bush fires being just another quirk of nature.
    Crazy Horse
    6th Jan 2020
    1:18pm
    In the middle of the biggest emergency crisis the nation has ever faced:
    • The Liberal Emergency Services Minister takes off on a European holiday;
    • The Liberal PM takes off to holiday in Hawaii;
    • The Liberal Defence Minister (responsible for tge Natural Disasters Organisation) goes on holiday to Bali.

    Then when they are shamed into coming back they hold extended media conferences to talk about what they’ve done (without consulting those responsible for actually fighting the fires).

    #ScottyFromMarketing has been revealed as an incompetent fraud.
    mIKER
    6th Jan 2020
    1:19pm
    44 comments and many factual discrepancies. Let's start with the PM's holiday. No one begrudged him a holiday. The issue was that he didn't make it public or appoint the Deputy PM to the role as is the protocol. He tried to hide the fact that he was out of the country. And note most PMs holiday in Australia. Where the bloody hell was this one?
    Next the State Premiers were on hols, but they appointed a chain of command and returned to the fray, without urging.
    Next at least one Premier Dan Andrews asked for help from the Defence Force before it was actioned by the PM. It wasn't a Morrison iniative, but then few things are!
    Next no need to go on, there's plenty said already.
    Hoohoo
    12th Jan 2020
    3:57pm
    I heard Morrison kept the Hawaii holiday quiet because he opened a Hillsong Church in Hawaii while he was there.

    I agree mIKER, no-one begrudged him having a holiday but many of us ask the question, why plan an overseas holiday when Australia is doing it so tough? Maybe no-one has told him how hard it is for the common folk, especially for those outside the capital cities? Maybe he doesn't know the economy is floundering?

    I heard him on the ABC NEWS channel this morning saying he always holidayed on the South Coast (of NSW), but his last three holidays have been overseas! It seems these LNP people think they can say whatever untruth they please, without any scrutiny or accountability.
    musicveg
    12th Jan 2020
    4:06pm
    So maybe he knew that South coast was under threat? And who pays for his holiday? I do not think we need a PM who is distracted by "cult" churches, this really worries me.
    Hoohoo
    18th Jan 2020
    11:29am
    I think he would've paid for his own holiday accommodation, but I think his air travel overseas might've been a freebie, though not for his family.

    I reckon pollies should keep their religion to themselves, especially so when it's a fanatical brand of religion. Fairy tales, Santa and religious dogma have very little to do with Jesus' message anyway. I don't believe any form of religion deserves special protection that overtrumps the law of the land.

    If only "spreading the Word" meant spreading love, tolerance and mercy to the poor, I wouldn't mind THAT having some protection. But what most of those pushing for special religious protection only want to enforce their intolerance and sexism, based on remote and contradicting remarks from the Bible and the Koran.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    1:19pm
    et tu Brute. Over it.
    fred
    6th Jan 2020
    1:29pm
    communists , socialist and the greens all in bed with each other and Get up all still sore about losing the May election Get off the PM's back the opposition would not have done a thing better its political opportunism at it worst at this tragic time
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    9:02pm
    No political opportunism there, fred-o - the Labor leader is saying nothing against Scooty - all he has to do is sit back and watch - and laugh...
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:05am
    Yes Fred and the Liberals and Nationals are so close to each other you can't tell where one begins and the other ends.
    Political opportunism? What would you call a politicians action of denying Climate Change purely as a strategy to win an election, or holding a press conference to announce a strategy before you have advised the parties concerned with that strategy.
    You can't call out one side unless you are willing to face up go the same thing with your own.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    1:32pm
    What rot, calling this a leftie sight, can't take the truth, that is the matter with a lot of people commenting on various topics on this sight, well a lot of the so called Quiet Australians stood up yesterday and called the PM out for his latest political ad, they were not impressed.
    inextratime
    6th Jan 2020
    1:35pm
    Did they ? And where did you get that statistic from ? The ABC ?
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    2:06pm
    I saw it on the TV news, people down the Sth Coast in NSW who were effected by the fires were making their feelings clear.
    inextratime
    6th Jan 2020
    3:05pm
    So that makes it true. Naturally a lot of people affected by the fires will be looking for someone to blame. Most people including the so called quiet Australians will wait until the
    analysis of the fires is made, including eco management at council and state level, the weather conditions, the available resources, the drought effect and all other related factors. Until then some people can feel as unimpressed as they like, but only when all the facts are known can anyone become judgmental.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:12am
    I realy thought that by now we would be over this rather childish habit of believing all left ideas are good and all right leaning ideas are wrong and visa .versa.
    To me calling me a Lefty has no real effect, it is such a broad term it has become a useless term as far as a descrptive tool.
    A good arguement is good because of the context and content of that proposal, political leaning has nothing to do with thecquality of the views put forward.
    Misty
    7th Jan 2020
    4:53pm
    Good comment exPS.
    Hoohoo
    12th Jan 2020
    4:15pm
    iinextratime, do you think that everything in the news that differs from your view is automatically from the ABC? Misty didn't even mention a statistic, so what are you REALLY reacting to?

    Wow! You need to break free from your Murdoch, shockjock, Sky News bubble and open your ears and eyes to the world of news that isn't paid for by advertisements, ratings that prey on victims' misery and other corporate pressures - you might even hear something that isn't propaganda.

    News isn't left or right wing - it's meant to be the truth unencumbered by other interests and agendas. If we solely watch one source of news we run the risk of becoming brainwashed.
    Misty
    12th Jan 2020
    6:42pm
    I noticed today that the interview between Scott Morrison and ex Sky News,now host of ABC Insiders, David Spears, received very little air time compared with other news outlets, selected news bites, most just showing the PM only, wonder why that could be? Sky News not happy with David leaving them perhaps?.
    Jim
    6th Jan 2020
    1:32pm
    I don’t think this is the time for the blame game, why this post was put up in the first place I am at a loss to fathom, it seems as though someone wants to create disunity in the community, we only have to look at the effort of our fire fighters to see what community spirit in Australia is all about, everyday people have come forward and put their lives at risk, and what’s our response, I know we will vent our hostility at past and current politicians, what’s the agenda here? My heartfelt wishes go out to all who have lost everything and to all who have helped in one of the worst catastrophe in our recent history, a huge thank you to those who are helping, and a big thumbs down to all the rest who are pushing their own agendas.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:07pm
    We already have endless disunity in the community - the Silenced Majority simply need to be woken up and rallied to the cause of right..
    Susanb
    6th Jan 2020
    1:33pm
    An important and articulate rave written by a friend and a journalist, Vanessa Gorman.
    ‘Where to put this grief ? As our ancient forests burn, turning to ash the complex ecosystems of animals and plants, as people lose their homes, their sanctuaries, their memories and their livelihoods, as the already burdened atmosphere absorbs the toxic ash and smoke. Where to put this grief as our air turns a smokey brown and burnt orange ?
    The helpless fury that arises. And then the anger. Because somehow the anger is easier to hold than the grief.
    I did my first research into what was then called Global Warming in 1986. I was working for the science and technology TV Show Beyond 2000. Scientists had started to warn of this new phenomenon of a heating atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels. They started to warn us of what we needed to do to mitigate the looming crisis this would cause.
    From 1988 onward I was filming technology and scientific stories around the world. And we would often be on the campus of some American University and they would tell us of the shut down of their solar and alternative energy programs, the research stymied on electric vehicles. You see, under a Reagan Presidency, the fossil fuel and conventional car manufacturers had paid great sums to their campaigns and this was their pound of flesh.

    I did a program on the Overpopulation of earth and what it would mean to the systems trying to support us. I did a program on the staggering amount of waste we had started to produce by the 70’s and 80’s and the toxic mess it left as it broke down ( or refused to break down) and oozed it’s toxic sludge down toward our groundwater. Amanda Keller and I travelled up through the Amazon to chronicle the enormous logging that was going on and what it would mean to the atmosphere to lose one of it’s lungs. More and more, I started to pay attention.I started to understand that how we were treating the planet , was the biggest story on the planet.

    I’ve covered the struggle to stop Uranium mining in Kakadu and coal burning in Port Augusta, dozens of stories of our environment under threat. But always always , I have kept up with my reading about Global warming and Climate Change. And as anyone who reads the literature knows, the alarm bells get louder every year. I’ve watched the fossil fuel and mining companies sew their self-interested seeds of doubt and dissent, even while 99% of the scientific community reached consensus that this was real and already happening. And all the while a mounting despair and fury arose at successive governments and their inability to act because of vested interests and our obsession with economic growth. Labour managed to bring in a carbon tax. One step forward. And then as soon as Tony Abbott got his butt into the Prime Ministerial swivel chair his government repealed it . I was working in Parliament House that day in 2014 and I sat in the chamber and watched Penny Wong orate with her own fury what this would mean for future generations.

    And now this summer. Watching the country burn . First the forests of my home for the last 20 years around Northern NSW. Rainforests that were never supposed to burn going up in smoke. Watched the fires ignite through NSW, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia. Forests that I have walked through and marvelled at, known of their treasures. Knowing that the Quiet Australians – those mammals, reptiles, insects and birds were now screaming in pain as they succumbed to the flames and if they survived, dying of thirst and starvation. Watching towns and communities and people’s treasured homes , their livelihoods roar and burn and take lives and traumatize great swathes of the population.
    The scientists and those closest to the ground have been warning us for years. Australia is at the front line of climate change. We are a dry continent that will be made dryer by the warming atmosphere . Our water will be threatened. Rivers will run dry . And into these hot dry conditions , fire will rampage at will. Check.
    Flanked by ocean , an ocean heating up , creating bigger and more furious cyclones and rain events. So flooding too. Check.
    And yes, we have had drought before, and fires before , and flood before . Yes the earth’s climate has always been changing. But not like this. Not this fast. Not in a way the animals and plants and ecosystems can adapt to in time.

    We are most of us traumatized this summer. We are grief stricken . And for those who deny the science, or worse still, understand the science but don’t think we should act against our own economic interest – I feel a new fury. Excuse me my wrath but I have read too much.
    Of course no one individual can make this go away. Corporations and governments have been ignoring the science for years, locked in as we are by capitalisms economic-growth-at-all-costs mantra. We need new economic, manufacturing and agricultural systems that put earth first.
    It’s a complex and difficult way forward and there are a few easy solutions and lots of not so easy solutions.

    There is a shit fight coming. In Australia this summer we are in the midst of it . But all over the world , in various places, there is a shit fight coming . And the cost of trying to prevent it is miniscule to what the cost will be of trying to cope with the disasters when they hit. We are smart as hell and we are monumentally stupid and short sighted as a species. Acting now to transition from fossil fuels and clean up our act environmentally makes enormous economic sense. In fact our very survival depends on it.

    If there is anything good to come out of this summer of flame and ash is that perhaps more Australians have woken up to cold bare facts that we are now in the era of climate change , the age of the Anthropocene – where we have become so numerous on the planet that we are changing the very systems of how the earth sustains itself and us . Who knew Australia would be the canary in the coal mine but that’s what we are.

    The bushfires will pass, the skies will refind their blue. Governments and corporations will want to continue with business as usual. But remember this grief.
    For those of you who have not yet risen, it is time to rise. In any way you can. No act too small, no care for the planet too humble to offer. But it’s time to call for all those who make the decisions for us, to act. To be called to account because the reckoning is upon us.’
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:21pm
    What planet is your friend on as it's not earth?
    clydecladidlehopper
    6th Jan 2020
    2:22pm
    Thanks for posting this Susanb.

    We must support the planet that sustains us all. Returning to the energy equilibrium that built all of the life on earth would be a good start.
    Loey
    6th Jan 2020
    1:34pm
    Through all this crisis, it's the volunteer fire fighters who are putting in a massive effort for everyone. They are giving endless time and energy for the cause. They see a job that needs to be done, & they get in and do it. Don't forget: there is going to be a massive, massive job with cleaning up and clearing away the debris. I bet the volunteer firefighters will be heavily involved in this, as well.
    Obviously, we need changes with our land management and control of fire hazards. Please listen to the volunteer firefighters and their advice. They are the ones battling on the fire fronts. They see firsthand what is required. We should not be listening to bureaucrats, politicians and activists regarding land management. What would they know?
    KSS
    6th Jan 2020
    1:43pm
    And listen to the Aboriginal peoples who have been managing this sunburnt country for millennia.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    2:07pm
    Most sensible comment on here so far KSS.
    Jim
    6th Jan 2020
    3:40pm
    Well said
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    9:06pm
    Ode to Three Fallen Firefighters.

    To sign up for the RFS wasn't such a chore,
    Their friends and family all had gone that smokey way before,
    They didn't sign for loud acclaim or swaggering public verve,
    They signed up for the training nights, and just a wish to serve.
    At times the siren rush would come, to quell a smoking shed,
    Or just to douse soft burning grass, or let it go instead,
    As burn-off to prevent more flames, it was the way to go,
    And then a cheery farewell drink, and off to home they'd go.

    When fires started burning bright, t'was just another call,
    Up they geared and out they went, ready to give all,
    They didn't ask for hero's pay, or medals, or parades,
    All they asked was good support, and mateship accolades.
    They bravely went where no man goes, the raging heart of fire,
    The raging winds, the raging flames, the situation dire.
    With hearts of oak, they battled on, surrounded by the hell,
    A story that a few of them would not come home to tell.

    Their families stood with edgy hearts, their thoughts all filled with fear,
    The word they hoped would never come, was held off with a tear.
    Unpaid the volunteers would go, their courage held in hand,
    They knew their fight was good and right, this happy well-trained band.
    But fire and wind they have no heart, they howl and overturn,
    And falling trees, though not at fault, can cause a fatal burn.
    Three families at home had gnawed their fingers to the bone,
    And then the fatal word came through – three men would not come home.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    9:09pm
    .. and now for something on the darker side - are you saying, like so many others, that Aboriginals lighting fires as burn-offs would have prevented this situation becuswe of some mythology of past 'land management' without actually managing?

    Citing the totally unprovable to make a cheap and unfounded point is reprehensible in a situation where people are dying, and if the Aboriginals had lit fires in these conditions over the past few years - there's be the same situation as here and now, except they'd be the ones burnt right out.

    Get over this myth of some Golden Age pre-1788.
    Pass the Ductape
    7th Jan 2020
    11:41am
    KSS...... Aboriginals didn't have to concern themselves with obtaining 'permits to light' back in the day - nor worry to much about about where it ended up!
    travelman
    6th Jan 2020
    1:40pm
    Whether it is Federal or States, they have all behaved badly. They have all been overwhelmed by the unfolding of the most serious of wars, the wars out of uncontrolled fires, and they, like any of us lacked the experience to combat the catastrophic events that unfolded. A country that has lacked wisdom, leaders and ordinary people alike, to fail to see during the last 70 years or more the wilful lack of managing the floods, droughts and pollution that we subjected our home with - we are living the consequences. In Europe they also behaved the same way back in the 1950's over the use of coal and other pollutants but have learned to change their ways. I wonder if we will learn to change our ways. More problems to come - the next will be economic or perhaps a real military war. The prime Minister made a mistake and I believe he regrets that but he will make more mistakes - we all will make mistakes. We have been doing everything wrong since the early 1970's - I wonder if you guess those wrongs? If you can then like me you stood quiet and let them happen. Time to change and help this country to mature to adulthood and become a nation to be envied.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    9:10pm
    I said some time ago that there was an absolute lack of any meaningful over-arching Disaster Control body... the ones installed could not even be called cadres - they are safe seats for a few public service people in the main.... REMFs instead of boots on the ground.
    travelman
    6th Jan 2020
    1:40pm
    Whether it is Federal or States, they have all behaved badly. They have all been overwhelmed by the unfolding of the most serious of wars, the wars out of uncontrolled fires, and they, like any of us lacked the experience to combat the catastrophic events that unfolded. A country that has lacked wisdom, leaders and ordinary people alike, to fail to see during the last 70 years or more the wilful lack of managing the floods, droughts and pollution that we subjected our home with - we are living the consequences. In Europe they also behaved the same way back in the 1950's over the use of coal and other pollutants but have learned to change their ways. I wonder if we will learn to change our ways. More problems to come - the next will be economic or perhaps a real military war. The prime Minister made a mistake and I believe he regrets that but he will make more mistakes - we all will make mistakes. We have been doing everything wrong since the early 1970's - I wonder if you guess those wrongs? If you can then like me you stood quiet and let them happen. Time to change and help this country to mature to adulthood and become a nation to be envied.
    Really!!!
    6th Jan 2020
    1:46pm
    It never ceases to amaze me at how some people are not happy unless they can point the finger of blame. The ferocity of these fires is unprecedented so no one has all the answers. I’m not up with Political protocol so don’t know who should request what from whom but I am sure no matter what Party or position they hold not one Politician would want to see this devastation of our BEAUTIFUL country. Let’s pull together now. Ask questions later and do better next time.
    Sundays
    6th Jan 2020
    2:00pm
    Scott Morrison has shown no leadership qualities. There was a lot he could have done without been asked. Why not ask the States what the Commonwealth could do to help. Why no special Cabinet meeting instead of spending a day at the Cricket. Those affected by the bushfires are having difficulty contacting Centrelink. Why no dedicated hotline? Generators are needed for communication, why didn’t he intervene with Telstra. His visit to Cabargo was not thought out and he got the reaction he deserved. The list goes on. The PMs response has been reactive rather than proactive. Only now, after much criticism has he intervened to help.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:21pm
    It is a state issue not a federal one so good on the PM for doing all he can.

    I am disgusted with those people of Cobargo the way they treated our PM. That behaviour is not tolerated under any circumstances.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    2:53pm
    The people of Cobarfgo had every right to voice their feelings, people are asllowed to in this country still, are they not?, even if YOU do not agree witgh them.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    4:36pm
    Why then did the fellow in charge of their fire brigade have to walk away from them utterly ashamed of their behaviour? They had no right to treat anyone like that especially our PM.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    5:10pm
    How do you know he was utterly ashamed VCBB, who told you that?. This is still a free country VCBB and if anyone feels like ignoring the PM or railing at him then they are free to do so under our laws. Thes people were very stressed, having lost their homes and witnessed god only knows what terrible sights, I don't blame them for acting that way at the time, never having had to face the situation they found themselves in.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    9:53pm
    Shame on you then Misty as I personally know some of the Cobargo residents and they are disgusted by those people and their behaviour.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:09pm
    BB - he didn't want to be associated with Scooty - Our Man In Hawaii.....
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:23am
    Don't criticise people for how they respect our current PM unless you showed the same respect for previous PM's who weren't your choice.
    The responses from those directly affected by the fires were real.
    They were not practiced spin written by staffers and parroted by a weak, disconnected politician.
    If you want to beat the respect drum, you have to be prepared to respect all.
    Myself, I feel comfortable disrespecting all politicians, when I feel they put themselves above those they are supposed to be working for.
    Yes, despite what he thinks, the PM works for us, we decide if he and his minions continue to do so.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    6th Jan 2020
    2:14pm
    Our PM is doing an awesome job.

    Our media is doing a dreadful job.

    Greens are downright disgraceful in taking away the resources of our PM and MPs with their protest and demands.

    Thankfully our opposition leader has pulled his head in and now supporting our PM.
    fred
    6th Jan 2020
    4:18pm
    agree absolutely with you sad this Life Choices normally in the interest of the elderly is filled with extreme nasty left wing followers targeting the PM not in the counrty interest at this critical time Albanese and the Media the main offenders
    Tricky
    6th Jan 2020
    8:56pm
    Who was the thug in the PM's group that intimidated and assaulted a poor women who didn't want to shake hands with the PM.
    Viking
    6th Jan 2020
    9:20pm
    Fred so please lets have a quote from you attributed to Albanese that support your claim against him?
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:28am
    Tricky it is the footage you didn't see that reveals the truth from what my friend in Cobargo are telling me. It was nothing but a media set up which did no one any good what so ever.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:28am
    Tricky it is the footage you didn't see that reveals the truth from what my friend in Cobargo are telling me. It was nothing but a media set up which did no one any good what so ever.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:30am
    Thanks for bringing up Albanese Fred, it gives us a glimpse of how a true LEADER does not use national dissasters to make cheap political points.
    Despite many attempts by the media he consistently declined to attack the PM on a personal level about his little missing in action gaff.
    He could be that rare thing that is hardly ever seen, a politition with a sense of scruples.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:36am
    ROFL
    ex PS
    12th Jan 2020
    2:48pm
    VCBB, who is this Rolf you speak of, is he a diety who you call upon when you can't think of an answere?
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    2:26pm
    I've been working for weeks now for an organisation called Convoy Missions Australia (a rather awkward title) that collects and delivers donations to firefighters at the front - quick sealed food, water, lip balm, sanitary pads (make good trauma pads as well), asthma inhalers, and such - and also does runs of direct aid in food, clothing and water (etc) to those directly affected, by being burnt out or evacuated.

    Currently there are areas where runs cannot go due to dangers..

    NO Cash Is Accepted!!

    I'm also looking at a fund raiser to purchase several good water bombers or adapt some already here that are available... trouble is, by the time anything comes online, including those leased ones from Canada(?) the worst will be over and the politcal class can revert to their slumbrous mode and carry on like pork chops in the Parliament again - acting out sticking the knife into their 'opposition' for no real gain to the Australian people.

    They cost about $1100 an hour to operate....

    The ongoing 'standing costs' * of having such an air fleet in being are astronomical - yet somehow the Bosnian air force has six of these aircraft - each is about $50m AU plus training and maintenance and storage etc.. $40 per Australian taxpayer would fund a good half dozen... if you've ever seen those Canadian pilots in action - they work like an air strike - come in one after the other and work to a plan, starting at the edge and then moving in on the fire... and they start bombing early before a fire gets out of control.

    The aircraft I have in mind are those that NSW Fire Commissioner Greg Mullins was discussing...

    * standing costs - housing, insurances, maintenance, regular checks, regular run-ups, repairs, replacements such as tyres, brakes etc.

    **operating costs - fuel, ongoing checks while in action, oil etc...

    Then pilot wages...

    Australia seems to be the only country with vast wooded and populated areas that does not have any such system in place.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    2:57pm
    Maybe instead of building a new stadium our Premier should have invested in some of the aircraft you are tslking about TREBOR.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:04pm
    Grrrr... you are so right, Misty... INFRASTRUCTURE... is not football fields.. it's a solid underpinning to this nation and its national security.
    Heskwith
    6th Jan 2020
    2:39pm
    Hi, I'm surprised to see folk who most readily comment below, being so happy to themselves make only politically directed remarks, while criticising using words like 'left' or 'communist' towards anyone who disagrees. Meanwhile Australia is burning with shame, and the objective science and management data which could steer our administrators (of who cares what party) are pushed to the side.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:03pm
    Most people have little real focus in their discussion - more a set of 'triggers' ....
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:39am
    Yes, there would be people from all political persuasions fighting these fires. I wonder if people of differing persuasions have signs on their gates saying no Right/Left Firefighters allowed.
    Hitler killed and locked up communists, Stalin did the same to Capitalists, this right is might and left is looney mentality is very childish.
    As a left leaning capitalist, I find the whole thing very confusing, do I stitch on a red, blue or pink star?
    Budwah
    6th Jan 2020
    3:38pm
    No matter what people may think of Morrison he is the leader of the country.
    The blame game, regardless whether it’s state governments or federal, ends with him.
    In a grave situation like we are experiencing at the moment it’s no good waiting for others to contact him for help.
    Any Leader in their right mind would have made an effort to ask the states if they needed help months ago and they would have questioned them if they said no.
    The responsibility buck stops with Morrison.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    3:51pm
    The buck stops there...... your point about the States is well taken. Their bucks also stop there....
    Viking
    6th Jan 2020
    9:46pm
    Budwah. He is not the leader of the country. Leaders lead and followers follow, neither of the these things are happening so he is not the leader. He is the PM, so far a pretty poor one but if he can't inspire the people to follow his lead because it's non existent then he has no claim to leadership. We have seen a succesion of PMs in recent years who couldn't lead their party let alone the country and they have all gone, one of them touring the world trying to preach the cult of climate change denial while his most recent successor stands with his hands in his pockets preying for another miracle, someone pitying enough to hand him a hamburger!
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:43am
    Yes, he is the PM, that obviouly does not automatically make him a leader.
    I don't care what you call yourself, I don't care how much money you have if you want my respect, you have to be worthy of it.
    Dave R
    6th Jan 2020
    3:55pm
    You can polish a turd but it remains a turd. Yeh I'm describing our marketing man PM.
    Chooky
    6th Jan 2020
    3:55pm
    No we don’t want your opinion John Howard. You who provided a character reference for George Pell so you have zero credibility.
    As for #ScottyFromMarketing: TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.
    Intellego
    6th Jan 2020
    4:46pm
    Anything to do with the bungling Liberal Party will undoubtedly be a screw-up. Morriscum is not a leader's bootlace.
    Intellego
    6th Jan 2020
    4:47pm
    The Rightard Lieberal trolls are out in force today.
    annshirley
    6th Jan 2020
    4:49pm
    I don't usually comment on things but, I am having my say about the ad and that is Why couldn't he sit down and talk to the people face to TV like most respected heads of state do and save the money that would have been payed for the ad for the fire fighters. I have no respect for this PM.
    micky d.
    6th Jan 2020
    4:54pm
    Leon Della Bosca, chief-editor of YLC, it is hard to believe that you choose a time so critical to the nation's welfare, to spring your attack on the Prime Minister.
    We are all used to YLC being anti-Government (LNP) but, really, now is a time for national rallying , not criticizing. Find something helpful to say.
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    5:14pm
    What rubbish, just because YLC criticises this Govt does not mean they are anti the LNP Party..
    micky d.
    6th Jan 2020
    5:24pm
    Misty...open your eyes a little wider...read the YLC banner again;
    "Your Life Choices - Simplify Retirement".
    Now please tell us how, in the slightest, these political attacks (scarcely criticisms) on our Prime Minister are going to Simplify my Retirement or yours for that matter.

    Rubbish...I don't think so.
    fred
    6th Jan 2020
    5:31pm
    yes very political article but it usually is please keep to the focus on retirement not cheap shots at the PM and stirring up the natives
    Misty
    6th Jan 2020
    5:40pm
    Fred not everyone thinks they are cheap shots, are you any where near the fires, I live in the Snowy Mountains and we have been in the thick of it.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:33pm
    Well... sometimes you get a prime minister who just has to be attacked....
    micky d.
    6th Jan 2020
    7:13pm
    Trebor..that's the Opposition's function. Our Members of Parliament should be a lot more aware of situations than our sometimes vindictive and clueless key-board warriors . I hasten to add that I, as such a warrior, do try to avoid attacking others whilst hiding behind a mask.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:47pm
    Misty they are totally left biased however at least they allow people to respond.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:57pm
    Micky d. I have never seen anything as cruel and so unwarranted as what is happening at the moment.
    We are seeing the power of FB at its worst and I am so ashamed of these "Labor" voters. Except I am not quite sure who is doing the sabotage. One thing I am very sure of - its not in Australia's interest.
    We have the east coast in physical disarray, somehow the Labor voters, without any Labor parliamentarians calling fowl, behaving like marauding extras in a B grade movie. So who is pulling the strings? China?
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    10:32am
    I agree Rosret Facebook is dreadful at the moment with so many idiots that are not helping at all. One particular Greens MP has to be up amongst the worst. Fancy having a protest rally etc in a time like this when the resources of people are already stretched. I am absolutely disgusted with the behaviour of some people who should know better.
    Triss
    6th Jan 2020
    6:16pm
    Ex PMs should keep their opinions to themselves. They’ve had their day.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    6:33pm
    Unfortunately for the nation over the past forty years or PC restructuring... a war on the people that Stalin would have been proud of...
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:59pm
    Yes.
    floss
    6th Jan 2020
    6:37pm
    Thank you SusanB .How out of touch is V.C.B almost as much as our gutless PM. god help the heroes that fight the fires for us thank you.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:44pm
    Gutless? Are you out there fighting fires floss? Its not his job. He is doing his job and he is doing it very well.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    8:14pm
    **glooms** I was rejected by the RFS six months ago because of heart issues and the fact that I'm a carer and we only have one car... (strike up Land of Hope and Glory, Igor!),,, my father retired #5 on the NSWFB Seniority List, his sister's husband was a Station Officer, his brother a senior police officer of many year's standing... sighs... just washed up at 70...
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    7:26pm
    FB media is full of trash political comments and the brainless minions follow haplessly with their useless slagging.
    The Honorable Prime Minister Morrison MP is duty bound to squash this deplorable bullying tactic from who knows where. I have never been so ashamed of the media and some Australians. We have a democracy. I don't care who is in power. We have voted. We honor and respect the leaders of our country.
    Be warned, though bullies. It is possible to slam you down on a united front. I am proud of our country and I don't want your slagging comments going global. What a diplomatic disaster.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:14pm
    Steady, girl - you're getting carried away there....

    The PM is the front person for the Party - not the national leader.. we don't have national leaders in a democracy - we have good and faithful servants - but those servants must prove their mettle...
    Rosret
    7th Jan 2020
    8:15am
    - and he is. Every time he makes an announcement or does something to help console the fire and drought affected people the ABC hate brigade is on the attack.
    Let him do his job. We pay taxes for the ABC broadcast and quite frankly they are becoming a hindrance to Australian national security.
    We have a democracy. Respect it before we lose it to a country who will make sure we have no say whatsoever.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    10:56am
    A democratic society is built on the princilpe of the people having a right to have their say.
    Would you prefer a democracy where political activists are put in camps, or were hung in the streets?
    If a Labor government is formed, will you stand by your statement that the government should be supported without critiscism no matter what they do;or say?
    If you make a rule for one Party are you prepared to apply it for all others?
    Remember the current government is in power partly because of a foreign media mogul who is extremely right wing and put the resources of a huge media organisation behind it.
    A good government is one that is held accountable.
    Rosret
    8th Jan 2020
    6:22am
    ex PS this isn't a right to say. Its just slagging comments. Its not a political point on issue just jeering and hazing because they barrack for a different team. Its a deliberate "getup type" strategy to bully one politician at a time until they crumble.
    If the only politicians we get in power are the ones who can withstand the constant belittling bullying then we are never going to see our finest leaders put their hand up to lead the country.
    Misty
    8th Jan 2020
    12:50pm
    So Rosret the ABC has a "hate Brigade", according to you, so then is it OK for Sky News to be so politically one sided in favour of the LNP?, I find the ABC is the only place to get the "real news", not the censored stuff Sky and some of the free to air channels show.
    Viking
    8th Jan 2020
    1:49pm
    Misty, Rosret, you don't need to watch it on the ABC, just go to Utube and it's there in its full disgraceful glory for the whole world to see and make their own judgement about Australia, its politicians and the lack of leadership on the climate issue both domestically and internationally. The flat earth far right needs the whipping boy of the ABC to deflect from its own stupidity, lack of policy and abysmal leadership. That there were enough liberals as dumb as Kelly to first endorse him and then vote for him is a worry in itself. The LNP can't disown him when they so recently re-endorsed him. The LNP may be a broad church but its time for the alter to be utilised for its traditional purpose.
    musicveg
    6th Jan 2020
    8:48pm
    Why does each natural disaster become a political event of blaming the other? The real facts are there has not been the usual winter and spring rains and the land was very, very dry. A lot of fires started in inaccessible land, many gullys and valleys were there are no access roads, and the firies could not be in all the places at once. We need to talk about prevention not blame. The firies warned about the dangers long before summer hit.
    musicveg
    6th Jan 2020
    9:07pm
    And so did this report predict longer and more extreme fire's:

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-climate-change-study-from-12-years-ago-warned-of-this-horror-bushfire-season?cx_cid=edm:newspm:2019
    Viking
    6th Jan 2020
    10:00pm
    Thats why the PM is being blamed for all the reasons you have given. He was MIA. He put himself up to the country to be our leader, so we expect him to lead and he isn't. A leader is supposed to be the person who lays out and leads the strategy, where is it? Praying and waiting for miracles is not part of the job description.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    10:56pm
    Does it musicveg? This is the first time in my life I have heard and read such deplorable unwarranted behaviour from a bunch of zealot hecklers.

    Viking when he left on holiday the fires were under control. The RFS did a back burn that went wrong in the blue mountains. The States manage fire disasters and our Premier was present as required.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    11:02pm
    Actually misicveg they were this bad once before in the mid 70s when they called continuous strikes and disruption to the economy.
    TREBOR
    6th Jan 2020
    11:16pm
    Well - it's all about blaming Whartey now - like everything else....

    None of the political class took notice.... I blame them all - but Scooty is in the Hot Seat, so takes it as part of the job... what he needs to do now is learn from the experience... usually that takes a politician 20-30 years of repeated knocks...
    Rosret
    8th Jan 2020
    6:33am
    Yes Trebor. They are learning and evaluating. However not on how to manage the fire emergency but how to handle an aggressive media.
    If you throw the ball in the air they will slap it down. We didn't put politicians in power because they are weak.
    I can promise you its polarised me 180 degrees away from Labor or any minor party. I will stand behind my country and put Australia first. Just once could the media be proud of the action taken by the government of the day and promote what is available to those in crisis so those in incredible distress do not feel alone right now.
    The government most definitely need to advertise because the media aren't doing it for them.
    Misty
    8th Jan 2020
    12:43pm
    Rosret, if the Govt of ths Day did something to be proud of they would be lauded all over the country for their actions, don't blame the media for telling the truth about what they haven't done, too little too late for a lot of people and animals.
    Charlie
    6th Jan 2020
    9:10pm
    Another storm in a tea cup with people looking for somebody to blame or trying to use a disaster as a political football.
    There was over 100 fires in NSW/ACT alone
    How do you manage that, you can only get people out of the way
    If the prime minister went anywhere near the fires They would be busy trying to protect him.
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    8:10am
    With over 100 fires continuing - I'd hardly say the situation was under control - a quick look at the RFS site would show it was not - and given the dry conditions and lack of predicted rainfall - clearly this was not the time for 'national head servants' to be out of the country on a holiday.

    Aboard Ye Titanic, 14th April, 1912...

    "Skipper, we be headed into serious ice fields at high speed!"

    "OK - I'll just take a break for a while..."
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    3:30pm
    Charlie, I am not so sure that too many would be trying to protect the pretender! At least the last 'crap climate change' denier could handle a fire hose, this one's too incapable to even ride a bike.
    aussiecarer
    6th Jan 2020
    10:08pm
    A fire can't burn without fuel. These bushfires are burning fiercely because the forests have a massive fuel load. This fuel load has been accumulating for 20+ years - long before Scott Morrison became PM. He can't be blamed for the fuel load or the actions of the arsonists. He can't be blamed for the actions of the Greenies either. Their hearts might be in the right place but their actions have made it dead easy for the arsonists – the Greenies have spearheaded policies that discourage backburning, promoted policies that prevent people collecting firewood in state forests, pushed policies so landowners are not allowed to cut down dead trees on their own properties... the list goes on and on. Meanwhile landowners have desperately wanted a change in these policies - they have been wanting to clear the scrub on their properties but they are threatened with fines if they touch a blade of grass outside their building envelope. One landowner in my region was fined $50,000 for felling a dead tree on his property. The tree he removed was overhanging his home and he was frightened it might catch fire to his home - there was a bushfire raging in the next suburb.
    For years the media have been promoting the opinions of the greenies and the climate activists, but largely ignoring the fire brigade. They fire-fighters have been saying we urgently need to change government policy and recommence fire mitigating activities - like scrub clearing and backburning. Our property borders onto CALM managed "Bush Forever". This "Bush forever" sounds beautiful but in reality it is an overgrown, hazardous mess of tangled barbed wire and fallen tree branches. People have dumped tyres, household rubbish and builder's rubble on it. The fire-brigade can't even access it because CALM have not maintained the fire access track. I'm sure this type of neglect is not an isolated incident. The media should be drawing attention to the real causes of the bushfires - things like neglect, fuel build up and poor policies. Instead they are too busy quoting a 17 year climate activist who is apparently devastated about the impact the smoke from our bushfires is having on the glaciers in New Zealand! I'm all for a return to the land management ideas of yesteryear - where 17 year old youth were employed by the government to be scrub-cutters and they actually did something to reduce the fuel loads in our forests.
    Rosret
    6th Jan 2020
    11:00pm
    This doesn't have anything to do with the fires. This just an insidious attack on our democracy where a certain disruptive element want to cause trouble until they get their 'fav' in government.
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    8:12am
    But Ros, surely the people are entitled to voice their opinions? I doubt the opinions of some are going to overturn an election result.. we simply don't work that way here... unless those some are armed and have the numbers.. which makes you wonder how the election was 'won' in the first place..

    Sometimes I think it's all a facade, and the two major parties toss a coin to see who gets the top gig...
    Rosret
    8th Jan 2020
    11:38am
    No, Trebor. There is a difference between a point of disagreement on a policy and bullying.
    For example " You need to brush your hair" or "Your hair is horrible chop it off". I am sure you know the difference.
    I am really starting to dislike - not the Labor party per say(they are very silent) but the nasty, cruel people who say they support the Labor party. Can you see the difference.
    The Labor supporters (if that's who these hecklers really are) are destroying their own party.
    Mondo
    8th Jan 2020
    12:11pm
    aussiecarer. The NSW Fire Commissioner said today and has said repeatedly that Greenies have never and do not in any way influence hazard reduction burning, its more likely to be people complaining about the smoke or their shade cloth getting stained so instead of blaming illusionary political obstacles you should learn the facts and the PM and the LNP should get on and constructively lead the country. That's what they claimed they were best equipped to do and that's what they are paid to do.
    Now apparently you know more about back burning than the NSW Fire Commissioner so which fire brigade do you command?
    gumtree
    7th Jan 2020
    12:20am
    A marketing man without any leadership attributes. How could we elect such a loser? Do the right thing Morrison, step aside and let a leader run the country. Piss off to Hawaii or wherever
    Viking
    7th Jan 2020
    11:33am
    Well put gumtree but true marketing is about understanding the communities' wants and needs and responding to that. He is clearly useless at even doing that. Marketing already had a dubious reputation, Morrison has made it stink. No wonder people aren't buying since the new marketing man took charge.
    musicveg
    7th Jan 2020
    2:47am
    2019 hottest year on record, lowest rainfall on record:
    http://econews.com.au/63246/no-surprise-2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/
    TREBOR
    7th Jan 2020
    8:14am
    Could have something to do with the fire disaster... imagine waiting until the disaster had become well developed before calling it a disaster and sending in assistance needed... the whole political class need a good reaming out.. state and federal.
    Pass the Ductape
    7th Jan 2020
    8:13am
    Nice to see in 2020 that all the experts on everything are at it again!
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    11:00am
    Is that your expert opinion?
    Pass the Ductape
    7th Jan 2020
    11:14am
    Just an expert on experts. :)
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    1:02pm
    Fair enough, I just couldn't resist an easy mark.
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    3:19pm
    The government might be dumb but at least most people are expert enough to know they don't want their homes, forests, farms, animals livelihoods and landscape destroyed by fire and many are expert enough to spot a fake leader when they see one. What a pity you aren't!
    Pass the Ductape
    7th Jan 2020
    8:13pm
    ex PS... Hahaha....yeah you got me. Happy to let you have that one - never saw it coming, but even experts on experts have the occasional off day - which is probably why Mondo picked up on it too!

    Jeez Mondo, I reckon I'll be voting for you as leader from now on. What this country has always craved for are people like yourself who 'spot' fake leaders when they see one. Why didn't you speak up before - we'd could have had someone else in charge who would have stopped the drought and these bush fires! So you see - it's not really Morrison's fault we now have this problem - it's yours!
    Mondo
    8th Jan 2020
    11:18am
    I don't want your vote nor anyone else's but as an ex special services soldier I can quite quickly pick good and bad leadership and I can certainly pick a fake. Most of my life since has been involved in strategy development and implementation both at home and overseas so despite your cynical jibe I do have some idea what I am talking about.
    You misrepresent the bushfire situation. The fact is there has been no policy on climate change, no energy policy, no industry policy or even federal leadership on emergency services because since the LNP got back, it has been a shambles on getting any agreement between themselves on these issues. Their highest priority at last count was the religious discrimination bill! At the last election we had a shrill mouthed female minister arguing against an electric car policy "they're going to take your utes" was the best they could do on transports emissions policy. What the ignorant minister didn't say was that since the LNP shut down the car industry we don't make cars any more and we don't make utes so if the world moves to electric utes, what is the LNP going to do about that?
    There has been no leadership on any of these issues since Abbott abolished the carbon tax (remember the fake promise, electricity prices would go down under the LNP) and there has been no building of policy on that solid start. So whether or not these policies would have mitigated against droughts and bushfires, the fact is that the public has seen no leadership on these matters over the past seven years and they see no leadership now so that's where the blame goes.
    The PM is clearly wrong in saying the armed forces have no experience in fighting fires. Many communities have been fighting the RAAF for years because of the chemicals they have used in fire fighting training. Parts of the army is also trained and equipped in fire fighting and it has significant resources such as bulldozers and earth moving equipment to help cut fires breaks. We have had a large navy emergency resources and helicopter carrying ship sitting off the coast of Victoria like a shag on a rock because it arrived too late. There are tank kits available to convert our RAAF transport aircraft to water bombers if that is what's needed. Clearly the PM is out of touch on what his own government can do and if you don't know your resources and capabilities how can you lead them?
    The NSW Fire Commissioner has said repeatedly that Greenies have never and do not in any way influence hazard reduction burning, its more likely to be people complaining about the smoke or their shade cloth getting stained so instead of blaming illusionary political obstacles the PM and the LNP should get on and constructively lead the country. That's what they claimed they were best equipped to do and that's what they are paid to do. As Morrison keeps repeating to the other group which doesn't know what to do, "if you make a go you get a go," so he better get on with it because if he can't lead he won't get another go.
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Jan 2020
    11:49am
    Jeezuz Mono - where did all this spring from? Ergo the first comment I made seems pretty much on the ball - whadaya reckon!?
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Jan 2020
    11:57am
    Mono - bugger - missed the 'd'. Sorry sir!
    Pollyanna
    7th Jan 2020
    9:07am
    Every one is entitled to a holiday. Yes maybe it was bad timing, but it would have already been booked. No matter what Mr. Morrison does he will be wrong by many people. We put him in power. Now let's support all the effort he is making and get on with it. It could always have been worse with a different government. So get off you miserable high horses and support him and let him get on with the job. I for one think he is doing all the right things for Australia and that is what counts
    Pollyanna
    7th Jan 2020
    9:07am
    Every one is entitled to a holiday. Yes maybe it was bad timing, but it would have already been booked. No matter what Mr. Morrison does he will be wrong by many people. We put him in power. Now let's support all the effort he is making and get on with it. It could always have been worse with a different government. So get off you miserable high horses and support him and let him get on with the job. I for one think he is doing all the right things for Australia and that is what counts
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    9:42am
    What we see playing out here on the world stage is Australia's reputation as Dumb and Dumber. Picture this; Mr Dumboz, having just returned from a miracle renewing holiday in Hawaii is standing by his burning house with his hands in his pockets watching the fire brigade trying to extinguish his house fire. Meanwhile, Mrs Dumboz (Angus Taylor) is at the insurance agency office arguing the case for lower premiums and no need to increase cover because the family is doing everything necessary to prevent fire risk and in any case, the neighbours are not increasing their cover so why should we!
    Back in the nineties I remember Australia promoting itself overseas as 'the Smart country,' then the Liberals got in and of course that campaign was cancelled.
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    11:03am
    Of course it was cancelled, for the Liberal/Nationals the target was too high.
    They set the goals low so that they are easier to achieve.
    A one eyed man is king in a nation of the blind.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    11:08am
    Oh dear so you still have sour grapes about the Liberals winning the election.
    Viking
    7th Jan 2020
    11:25am
    Fantastic Mondo so well put. Friends and famiily in Scandinavia have written to say, so Australia is getting its just deserts at last.
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    3:08pm
    VCBB Still sour at living in a country that’s being dumbed down and is becoming a desert, you bet I am. Living under a leaderless government that is overseeing the fire destruction of thousands of houses, the desertification of thousands of farms, the drying up of our rivers, a party that doesn’t care about the environment, has destroyed thousands of manufacturing jobs; remember the useless Treasurer and minister for the end of the age of entitlements who had to be moved to a $360,000 a year ‘entitlement ‘ job out of the way, who before he left dared Ford to stop making cars in Australia and guess what they all did, Ford, Holden & Toyota; a mismanaged economy. You bet I am. Where are the (worth-while) jobs and growth we were promised? A government that resents the funding of tertiary education because it creates people smarter than them and a loud mouthed leader who couldn’t lead the way to the local McDonalds; you bet I am. Tony Abbott was right, ‘climate change is crap’ and we are currently experiencing the crap that climate change delivers. Lacking any policies except the 'game changing' brainwave on religious discrimination bill, I can’t wait for the next miracle from our PM.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    3:38pm
    Yes I am sick of living in a dumb country. We need to build some clean coal power stations ASAP so we can create jobs and opportunities for our people instead of relying on immigration.
    Misty
    7th Jan 2020
    5:10pm
    The biggest load of rubbish I have heard yet, if we keep going with coal fired power stations our young people will not have a planet to live on, let alone jobs.
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    6:43pm
    Very Caring Big Bear, Dumb?? What's the connection between clean coal fired power stations and stopping immigration? We couldn't build a coal fired power station without foreigners, we can't even make a lawn-mower engine any more we import them from China; we can't build submarines without foreigners, nor did we build the Snowy Hydro, that was designed by foreigners and built by immigrants. Our hospitals wouldn't operate without immigrant doctors, surgeons and nurses. Look closely at the Sydney Harbour Bridge and see where the steel was made. Do you see the yellow machines clearing up the climate change disaster mess, all made by those horrible foreigners, even those red fire engines too. I pay my respects to your indigenous heritage but the best leader the country has ever seen, General Sir John Monash was from a Jewish immigrant family, a volunteer soldier who would leave our present 'leader' for dead.
    ex PS
    11th Jan 2020
    8:35am
    If we can invent terms like "Clean Coal" how about inventing terms like "consensual Rape" or "Gentle Violence". Just changing how we discribe something does not change its nature.
    I can call myself a teapot, but you won't get a decent cup of tea out of me.
    Sophie
    7th Jan 2020
    11:12am
    .

    "Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. (Mark Twain)."

    We seem to have a multitude of armchair politicians, accountants, fundraisers, scientists, globetrotters on this site. Time to fluff up your cushions and look towards the real world.


    .
    ex PS
    7th Jan 2020
    1:06pm
    I'm looking, but all I can see is smoke. Yep you are right I am looking at the real world.
    Sophie
    7th Jan 2020
    4:15pm
    '
    All you can see is smoke! Lucky you! Well, if your house burns you are justified to come in and have a whinge and shed some tears. It is downright insulting to those people who have lost their homes to have people like you complain about smoke..get a mask and some goggles and go and help them!!

    No, your personal environment is NOT the world, it is a real event in a miniscule corner of the world. The world is a large place..perhaps you should visit it sometime.

    When disaster strikes in this country, we are lucky to have a great deal of assistance..it is not the same in some countries..the people in those countries .. die.

    .
    midnight
    7th Jan 2020
    1:00pm
    I put it to a friend today... how would you feel if there was a crisis at home and your Dad said, "Oh I'll be back in a couple of weeks. I had a holiday planned." The look on his face was enough. If our commander in Chief isn't available then we need a Commander in Chief who is. It has nothing to do with politics. If I see another forced handshake, a walk away, a pose for the camera I'll throw something at the TV. Yes, many of us are angry... our hearts are breaking. He has been asked for years by those in professional and personal exposure to these issues to better prepare for anticipated catastrophes, but if you leave the tap running in one area, light a fire a few kilometres down the road, and oh, oh, run out of water then responsibility has to be accepted. BUT thank heavens for Aussies who are sharing and caring. Our poor flora and fauna will never recover. Hearts and emotions are shattered and the forest will take a hundred years to regenerate. Nobody is laughing and the anger comes from fear and pain.
    Viking
    7th Jan 2020
    2:17pm
    Totally agree midnight, except on one thing. People are angry at the continued climate change mitigation denial by a lazy PM who lacks and fails to understand leadership while belatedly and clumsily trying to act like one. A start would be when he learns that leadership isn't about shouting at people, fake photo opportunites with real leaders and three word slogans.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    3:35pm
    Our PM was in 2 minds on whether to go on holiday or not but he had the support of the opposition to go so decided to go as hi family was looking forward to it and he needed to spend time with them.

    I was disgusted with those people in Cobargo as that sort of behaviour should not be tolerated from anyone. I believe the media cut that video deliberately in the name of sensational journalism so we didn't get to see what really happened.

    With 183 people arrested for lighting fires so the fires so they have nothing at all to do with climate change.
    Mondo
    7th Jan 2020
    4:02pm
    VCBB, nothing to do with climate change, no worries then but are you one of those polar bears whose lost his habitat, down here looking for a feed or are you one of those black bears of the US flushed out by wild-fires? I'd hate to think that being 'very caring' you were just a bare chested right wing extremist who didn't know how to spell.
    Viking
    7th Jan 2020
    6:09pm
    Oh VCBB, the burdens of high office, do I put my country first or do I go on holiday? Such a big decision. Oh yes I'll do what I always do, get a consensus position from that wise man the leader of the opposition, then if it all turns to that rude word used by Father Abbott, I can blame Labor for my poor decision like we usually do. Anyhow, I can leave things in the capable hands of my deputy, what's his name, yes how could I forget, Big Mac, my favourite photo opportunity food prop to keep my hands out of my pockets and in case someone should hand me a fire hose. He's even more skilled at the art of climate change denial than me, they really can manage without me. Quick, think up a three word slogan, oh yeah, holiday with kids, wow I really am a marketing expert.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    7th Jan 2020
    7:05pm
    ROFL
    Misty
    7th Jan 2020
    7:22pm
    What a fool Craig Kelly has made of himself in the UK, argueing with a Climate Change scientist, and the LNP members, David Littleproud and Josh Friedenberg coming out saying Climate Change is real, how embarrassing is that for the govt right now.
    Rosret
    8th Jan 2020
    6:44am
    Misty its not embarrassing for the government at all. You can't listen to the ABC for more than 30 seconds without someone saying the CC word.
    Someone has to calm down the population of Australia and indeed the world. I can't even walk my dog without talking with people thinking its the end of the world.

    What our politicians are trying to say is that an enormous amount of change is happening. It can't be spun in a one line comment as is possible by those who refuse to listen.

    The most ridiculous part of this is the people who rant on to me personally live in huge houses, go on multiple trips overseas and live the life of Riley. As does the author of this article and Russell Crowe with his ridiculous hypocritical comments at the award night.

    If you want to save the world. Start at home.
    Rosret
    8th Jan 2020
    6:55am
    Midnight he is not our Commander in Chief. We are not the USA. The Premier of NSW is responsible for the coordination of the NSW fire emergency and she has been here throughout the disaster.
    I am really sorry that Labor supporters feel so insecure that "Daddy the PM" can't have a 5 day holiday with his family. He did leave the Deputy in charge and this happens every year no matter who is in power.
    Also, when he left on holiday the Blue Mountains fire was in control and went out of control because of a RFS back burn that went wrong. If you want to hate because you voted for a different party you will continue hate but you can't change the facts and you can't change the outcome.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    8th Jan 2020
    10:27am
    Misty climate change is being blamed for everything. I can't wait for you to tell me how dangerous dihydrogen oxide which makes out a large proportion of our atmosphere really is.
    Misty
    8th Jan 2020
    12:32pm
    I am not a scientist with Climate Change credentials, are you VCBB and Rosret?, I listen to the experts and take advice from them, not other people who have no qualifications in that area, and BTW Rosret we do start at home, we save our shower water for the garden, recycle everything that is recyclable, have Solar Panels and so on, what are you doing?.
    Viking
    8th Jan 2020
    4:14pm
    Misty, the point is that it obviously takes a degree of intelligence to understand that 99% of the climate scientists are right and that the predictions we were given years ago are now materialising. It needs a modicum of deductive ability to see that around the world virtually every region is experiencing some sort of climate extreme and that the climate scientists are on the basis of probability, right. Getting that across to the masses Is probably no different to the difficulties in backward countries like In Africa and India in getting people to move away from the comfort zone of their old superstitions and accept the medical opinion of experts rather than the witch doctors. Recall the recent measles deaths in Samoa for the same religeous, education or superstitious reasons.
    It's interesting that the two high priests of climate change denial are Pastor Morrison and Father Abbott. Now what did the church teach us, don''t ask awkward questions, follow the beliefs of the church and give! Sorry I forgot that other bastion of moral integrity, Deacon Barnaby. As the latter and the churches proved, you don't need to believe in your teachings or moral code so long as you've convinced enough followers to give or vote. Ireland proved that as the people became better educated, people lose their superstitions, they embrace science and the churches lose their power. For the same reason why would the parties encourage rational, independent thinking and lose their power like the churches did?
    Its hard to believe that with a young family Morrison actually believes in climate change denial but his party's paymasters, the foreign mining companies demand adherence just as the Vatican does of its cnurches.
    Mondo
    8th Jan 2020
    4:36pm
    VCBB. Are you seriously saying that when the 120 years of meteorological records indicate otherwise that the climate hasn't changed and there is no connection between that change and the current spread of fires? So you say; 'climate change is being blamed for everything' so what beyond farms becoming deserts, food as a result becoming more expensive, the rivers drying up, our forest and wildlife being destroyed, houses being incinerated, lives being lost, tourism and businesses being ruined and States in a state of emergency, is being inaccurately blamed on climate change?
    Mondo
    8th Jan 2020
    7:32pm
    Viking, I think someone has just proved your point!
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Jan 2020
    11:03am
    Those 120 years of records are a concern since they actually changed the way temperature was recorded and it is now recording 1 maybe 2 degrees higher than it was when we had those little white boxes. Also 120 years is so minute it unmeasurable in the age of the earth itself so you can't measure climate change over 120 years either.

    Misty I actually recycle everything onsite and give away more solar than I use. So if you don't recycle all your water and sewage onsite, garbage etc then you are adding to landfill and polluting our waterways.
    Misty
    9th Jan 2020
    1:57pm
    VCBB, how do you recycle all your plastic onsite, garbage etc?
    Viking
    9th Jan 2020
    2:12pm
    VCBB. Are you saying the climate hasn't changed over 120 years? If it's changed, then it can surely be measured; I can measure the change in rainfall and temperature where I live over the past 12 years but you say I can't? Rainfall is less than 50% of what it was 12 years ago and it has decreased steadily, average temperatures are higher. Its only 10% of the longer period but its still measurable but the climate has changed in that time but you say ihasn't even though hard data says it has?
    As a teenager I lived on a Scandinavian island where the ferries to the mainland and a neighbouring country were icebreakers because the the sea would freeze to ice 600mm thick. The icebrakers were sold two years ago because the sea no longer freezes. That's reasonable evidence of climate change in half.the period Australia has been keeping records, oh and the ice was not in one of those white cabinets. I also notice that the northern ice cap and the worlds glaciers have significantly decreased in that time but do you say they can't be measured either?
    Mondo
    9th Jan 2020
    3:22pm
    Very Caring Big Bear, Sorry about your little cousins the Koala Bears suffering so much in this climate change, not true I know because we don't have any hard data to prove that but just in case. However, I was going to ask you, you said that "everything was being blamed on climate change" but you also said that 120 years of climate records didn't count as evidence that there was climate change, its only anecdotal I know with the ice-caps and glaciers melting, tape measures changing from imperial to metric etc. so I am just thinking, being such a stickler for facts and figures you must have a real stack of hard data to substantiate your claim that "everything is being blamed on climate change," just wondered if you could share it with us?
    ex PS
    11th Jan 2020
    9:22am
    The PM had permission from the opposition to go on holiday. ROFL.
    The problem is not so much that he went, to me it is the fact that he wanted to go. Total lack of understanding of what is required of a Leader. But deep down he knew it was wrong, he gtried to keep it under wraps.
    mitch1945
    8th Jan 2020
    4:38pm
    Very Caring Bear, Bazza51 and numerous people with more than sawdust in their heads and hate in their souls, I agree thoroughly with comments.
    I am sick to death of all the moaning and criticism of Scomo. None of them listen to reasons for actions, just need to complain, complain, complain. If all the hard left, Greenies and Opposition members plus one or two ex PMs (some of them lasted months in office) were removed from this list (or the actual report above all the comments) there would be some nice people still here. And as for a large number of journalists and TV so called news reporters well, enough said of the total bias against ScoMo(not only the ABC who seem to have a bias like the BBC)
    If they want to elaborate on Climate change and blame thereof then please move to China, India or the USA where activists are needed. Not here.
    As for those idiots with stupid comments from Cobargo (Not normal citizens of the town) they were probably more upset because they had their weed plantations burnt out.
    Some in charge of Fire Commissions are power-hungry (fortunately excellent work by the majority). Apparently, in some areas, there is a problem with bullying so I hear. Also a reduction in staff requirements by reducing safety standards - to meet gender parity ie 50/50 males/females entry requirements set lower for females. How true this is I do not know but it would be a horrendous safety problem if a 60Kg female had to drag/save her 130Kg male partner from a building and done only for percentage reasons. Don't think that I am denigrating female firefighters. I am sure there are a lot doing a great job and came into the Service meeting standard requirements.
    I will stop now and let the moaners continue. I will ignore them and concentrate on the numerous people that appreciate the good PM that we have.
    RAY
    8th Jan 2020
    10:38pm
    " As for those idiots with stupid comments from Cobargo (Not normal citizens of the town) they were probably more upset because they had their weed plantations burnt out."

    hahahaha well said mitch 1945.

    I'm hoping the ALP gets in next election, then the whiners will see how good they had it with the Coalition. I'm going to relish saying, I told you so!!!!!!!
    Misty
    9th Jan 2020
    2:04pm
    you 2 have to be dreaming or maybe too close to the so called weed to think this PM is doing a good job, very few on all the social media sights think that.
    Viking
    9th Jan 2020
    2:19pm
    Misty, but I think Mitch could be right, he probably does have more than sawdust in his head,, two short planks comes to mind!
    Hairy
    11th Jan 2020
    8:08am
    The blame for these disastrous fires lies squarely on the greens party policies.definitely not a shred of common sense among these educated F...wits.sacrifice 500 thousand animals humans and property to save a few thousand animals that would have to be sick anyway if they couldn’t escape a burn off.GO BACK TO COLLEGE AND GET SOME COMMON SENSE.
    Misty
    11th Jan 2020
    10:03am
    Hairy it has been noted here many times that back burning would not have prevented these fires, this info is from the Commissioner himself.
    musicveg
    11th Jan 2020
    3:32pm
    Stop blaming the greenies, you are spreading false information. Get the true facts not the ones being spread on social media and Sky news or whatever source you are using.
    JoJozep
    12th Jan 2020
    2:43pm
    Wow! Talk about political waffle being bandied about, assuming people need to know who to blame for this great misfortune. In reality, no one is and there is little we can do to stop it. Why? Just look at the facts. Climate change exists, but what is causing it? Some say burning of fossil fuels, causing a blanket of C02 to envelope the earth. But is that the only reason? Why have we had 3-4 years of drought preceding these disastrous fire prone conditions? Why are we having longer summers and warmer temperatures at present? Why did we have glacial periods in the past and not present?

    1. Yes global warming can occur because of the C02 blanket trapping heat around the earth, but is that enough by itself to build heat all across Australia's vast interior to the point of ignition of forests in cooler climate areas around the coasts?
    2. Why has the Indian ocean warmed up. This no doubt affects weather patterns across lands to the west, mainly Australia's interior.
    3. Why have the polar icecaps started to melt. This indicates a tremendous amount of energy is being dissipated to melt the ice at the poles.
    4. Where is this energy coming from?
    5. Look at WW2, 6 years of bombing, explosions and fires did little to increase overall temperatures, not to mention hundreds of atomic/hydrogen explosions since.

    So what can explain climate change (read global warming at present) to such an alarming degree in more recent years? Why are climate scientists ignoring the most obvious reason? The answer lies in our ( the earth's) relationship to the sun. We all know as the earth moves in it's elliptical orbit around the sun, we get mainly four seasons, as the earth moves closer and further away in a yearly cycle. There is also another motion of the earth every 24 hours that gives us night and day, hot in bright sunlight and cold at night. This has been the case since the earth was formed. What else then can explain the periodic (about 20-25,000 year cycle) of hot and cold periods we know occurs over time?

    Hands up and full marks to those who said the earth wobbles as it spins. How, you ask does this increase heat and global warming. It's simple really. Take a child's spinning top for example. If it's perfectly balanced, it will spin without wobble. In the case of our earth, if on the one hand massive land masses move ever so slowly over the earth's surface, it becomes slightly unbalanced, causing wobble. This balancing and unbalancing causes the wobble effect to increase and decrease in a periodic motion. Look at the plane of orbit of the earth around the sun. The wobble, or more precisely, tilting of the earth's axis can vary from 0 deg to about 25 deg, over 20,000 or so years.

    As the axis tilt, the north and south poles expose more land mass to the sun, causing glacial ice melt. Also the equator moves slightly more vertical relative to the sun, thus heating land areas and oceans that were in temperate zones into tropical zones.

    Sorry to report there is nothing any human can do to stop this process from occurring, except perhaps to slow down the heating affect slightly by allowing the daily heat to escape into space during night time, that is, reduce the blanket effect of the build up of C02.

    Firing our politicians won't help, though climate deniers should head the inevitable, we will cook for another 500 years, till we wobble back to glacial conditions. Maybe we should all invest in A/C units for the future, or invent better overall cooling conditioners. Anyone got a better suggestion?
    musicveg
    12th Jan 2020
    2:56pm
    So nothing to do with the billions of people on the planet? Clearing of millions of hectares of tree's that give oxygen? Or pollution of emissions form various sources?
    JoJozep
    13th Jan 2020
    12:28pm
    MusicVeg,That's right, Billions of people and clearing of trees have worsened the situation as I said above, so climate change is real and the effects are becoming obvious, but in the scale of the outer space and planetary motion, not enough to "cook" the earth or wipe out the human race. (We might end up being cave dwellers again).

    Have you observed if our C02 levels have risen much above 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere. Have oxygen levels suddenly dropped from around 21%, have the other gases increased grammatically in proportion?

    We talk about man made pollution (and yes it's getting worse), but we never speak of pollution from volcanoes, bushfires, lightning strikes etc., which I would guess leaves our man made pollution for dead.

    With all pollution combined, however, it still pales in light of the sun's radiated heat, something we can do little about. Even if we attempt to alter the earth's orbit we would all be extinct by the time we as humans would have any effect. Category 5 cyclones have come and gone, affecting the earth's air and ocean mass, but with unmeasurable effects on the earth's rotation or orbit.

    By the way, your comment suggests I'm a climate change denier. That is nonsense, all I am trying to do is put things in perspective, yest climate change (at the moment warming of the earth) is happening, and yes, mankind is contributing and making things worse, but this is not the main reason the earth is warming up.

    If you don't believe me, look at the earth's temperature during daytime say around 25 degC and nighttime around 10 degC . Why, because the earth rotates, and exposure of the earth's side to the sun warms up a tremendous amount compared with long term warming, 1-2 degC. Also, little is said about the CO2 blanket acting as a "real blanket" and keeping the earth a little warmer at night time, conversely, it probably helps to shield us from the sun's direct rays in daytime.

    What is certain is that we live on a planet that supports life in the form of living things, one that is extremely unique, and for all the billions of stars and galaxies, we haven't yet made contact with anything else equivalent to earth in the universe.

    That is the real wonder.
    CindyLou
    17th Jan 2020
    9:02am
    I rarely post on this site nowadays but felt compelled to comment on how Leon, author of article has slammed our PM. In my opinion, this type of article slamming an individual, a family man, who with the pressures of a huge job and a young family, went away on a pre planned trip. Big deal, I am sure he was in constant communication with his office/staff re this crisis, let’s get over it and focus on the real issues of supporting volunteers, workers, affected people and most importantly the wildlife.
    Boomah52
    18th Jan 2020
    11:41am
    Oh chrystal ball, any bushfires this year? Yes, but you can stop many... here are the names; watch them closely.