4th Sep 2018
What would encourage you to work until you were 70?
Author: Olga Galacho
What would make you work longer?

This week, the Coalition government back-flipped on the ‘zombie’ policy to raise eligibility for the Age Pension to 70 years.

Originally proposed in the 2014 Budget as a means to save $3.6 billion over four years, the measure had lain dormant since.

But finally realising how unpopular the policy was, new Prime Minister Scott Morrison dropped it to align his government with the Labor Party’s own position on the retirement age.

While this week’s announcement was applauded by many organisations, there are others who believe that working until 70 years of age is appropriate for some individuals.

In fact, many Australians are still in the workforce at that age. Not everyone wants to retire in their 60s and some seniors may even be persuaded to stay working until their 70th birthday if they were offered incentives.

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    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    10:35am
    I left my job (just over broke) decades ago now and it was only after I did that I started to accumulate real wealth. I can't see myself stopping what I am currently doing until the day I die as together with making more money than I can spend I enjoy doing it.
    HarrysOpinion
    7th Sep 2018
    11:23am
    Blow·hard. OG. The definition of a blowhard is a person who boasts in an obnoxious or unpleasant way. Someone who is constantly telling you how much money he has and how great he is to the point where it really annoys you is an example of a blowhard
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    11:41am
    HS I haven't told you anything about how much money I have or haven't got. All I aid that until I gave away working in a job I didn't accumulate any real wealth. If this is retirement I simply love it and wish I had done it decades earlier.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:13pm
    FIGJAM.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:42pm
    Come on guys OG is a right wing rusted on government stooge but the above is not kosher. Let the poor miserable bugger be.

    In answer to Olga's question I have only one word: HUNGER. Ok, in all fairness the government is working to achieve that in the next couple of generations.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:37pm
    Only Labor Mick would make such statements.

    Hunger is certainly not on the top of my list for anything.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:35pm
    Under OG's beloved Lieberal scum, ever more people will suffer from HUNGER as the rich get richer and the poor poorer.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    4:58pm
    That's how you develop slave labour. Give 'em part time work or casual jobs, keep 'em poor and then they are your slaves. The game plan.
    inextratime
    7th Sep 2018
    5:39pm
    Wrong OG. You revealed exactly how much money you have accumulated in a previous post.

    Happy to reveal it if you are not too embarrassed.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:28pm
    Yes please reveal it.
    Boomah52
    8th Sep 2018
    12:16am
    Old fellah, you seem to spend most of your time on here lol.
    Old Geezer
    8th Sep 2018
    3:39pm
    I have been told to rest and this is resting for me.
    OlderandWiser
    12th Sep 2018
    7:09am
    OG finds offensively boasting, denigrating and judging the less fortunate, and wishing hurt on people ''restful''???? That's one sick puppy!
    Aussiefrog
    7th Sep 2018
    10:36am
    There are others who believe that working until 70 years of age is appropriate for some individuals.
    You nailed here "SOME"
    I wouldn't see boilermakers, bricklayers or concretors working you 70!
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    10:40am
    My father was a manual labourer and he worked until he was 90.
    marls
    7th Sep 2018
    12:13pm
    Old geezer
    My father was a labour to he died at 58 never been sick in his life and I not believe you
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    12:16pm
    That's your problem not mine. I guess it was because he didn't allow his body to become lazy as he aged which is certainly the secret of aging well.
    Rosret
    7th Sep 2018
    12:40pm
    - or teachers or nurses or police officers.

    However many of our jobs that we hold so precious are going to become AI robotics controlled. From brick laying, driving, construction, teaching, law and even medicine. The generation of the future may just be pressing buttons from home in the morning and then heading off to the beach for a surf. That universal salary income for all may not be as far away as we think and the concept of a pension will be redundant.
    HarrysOpinion
    7th Sep 2018
    12:49pm
    Post his birth certificate Old Geezer, his pay slips at age of 90, his tax return at age 90 and the original death certificate at age 90. Marls doesn't believe you!...that's odd!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:45pm
    OG...I gave you the benefit of the doubt above, but really.
    The facts are that plumbers are broken men at 50. Knees and back gone. Many others likewise. It's basic. You are full of it OG but it goes with the narrative. As I keep saying YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT TROLL. Nobody else could post the above. Total BS!
    WideBayMike
    7th Sep 2018
    3:12pm
    Add panel beaters to that list. In the 30 years I spent working as a panel beater I only worked with one old panel beater, he was 64. Definitely a young mans game. My working life came to an early end due to psoriatic arthritis. My Dad was a farmer and as the oldest brother carried the financial management side of the farm. Dead @59.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:46pm
    I have never seen my father's birth certificate as he had no need for one. He died just before he reached 100 and you ought to know that death certificates have to be surrendered when one applies for probate. I don't know about you but I haven't keep any records from last century either as there is simply no need to keep them any more than 7 years now. Got a few years to go myself but I hope I can work as long as he did or even longer.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:37pm
    None of that proves he was a labourer until he was 90. I smell bullshit.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:12pm
    Welcome to the Ebergeezer show - Prime time comedy 24/7... proudly brought to you by LNP Spinning Wheels Inc...
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:38pm
    My father couldn't read or write so what else could he be but a labourer?
    Mad as Hell
    7th Sep 2018
    8:52pm
    OG If iI had a black cat I bet yours would be blacker.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    9:16pm
    Sad you inherited bad traits. Parents have a lot to answer for.
    Ahjay
    7th Sep 2018
    11:02am
    I worked full time until age 75. I needed no incentive other than the fact that I had a job that I enjoyed and was in good health. I was still able to pass a very demanding annual medical up until the end.
    I got a lucky reminder in my early sixties, I was 15 Kg overweight, cholesterol and heart rate were up, as was my blood pressure. My doctor suggested I give up sugar, which I did. Next medical my BMI was normal as was everything else and that continues today.
    I will not eat anything that contains 5 % sugar or more and won't eat anything that is labelled Light, Diet, Low fat, No Fat, No added sugar, or any other get out of jail terms from the food and beverage manufacturers to imply things are healthy.

    Boring perhaps, however I am on no medication and I am healthy. What more incentive would I need to work on.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    11:10am
    You would have big trouble getting anything to eat in the US. I did as everything was full of sugar and salt. Even their bread was very sweet.
    Rosret
    7th Sep 2018
    12:50pm
    Very OG. San Francisco has sour dough. However I don't think we are far off. You really have to cook your own food these days.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:46pm
    What job did you do Ahjay? Politician? Doctor?
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:13pm
    Nah - throwing sacks of grain onto a truck......
    WideBayMike
    7th Sep 2018
    11:03am
    Once you reach the age of 65 and want to continue to work then pay zero income tax. That would have encouraged me to keep working if I was able.
    Eddy
    7th Sep 2018
    12:05pm
    How about a sizeable discount on income tax. As a Defined Benefit Pension recipient I have to pay tax but get a 10% rebate. Funny how it works though. 10% of my total taxable income is taken off my tax payable, as in if my annual taxable income is $60k then I have $6k rebated from the tax I have to pay. However the rebate is, I believe, capped at $10k. Since this rebate system is already used for over 65 Defined Benefit pensioners why not extend it to all over 65s who have an income tax liability. As the meerkat says on that TV ad, simple
    Cosmo
    7th Sep 2018
    11:10am
    I retired at 60 (self funded) and in my mid 70s would still work gratis doing something worthwhile and making a difference. Virtually all retirees have a whole load of experience and knowledge to contribute but are generally offered menial, routine mind numbing jobs. Yet we have a skills shortage and need to import skills we already have? We have hundreds of thousands of kids leaving school unable to read, inarticulate without any life experience and directionless which could potentially be a bigger drain on society than the aged due to crime etc. We have councils, businesses and governments that seem unable to make basic sensible decisions and could use some common sense advice. Loads of untapped mentoring capacity amongst the retired. Surely if they are serious about exploiting our resources, the State or Federal governments could put together a scheme to better utilise these brains and experience?
    Charlie
    7th Sep 2018
    11:18am
    Other..One of the great delusions about the whole issue is that its assumed a person will be capable of the same performance at 60 as they were at 40. Its not the case now and it certainly wont be true of the upcoming, overweight, generations.

    This seems to be a search for back door ways of raising the pension age to 70... I would have worked till 70 and had a secure enough job to do it, but my health was burnt out at 56. Thus ends the simple approach to the question.

    So my perception of working till 70 would be, age pension at 65 and the real opportunity to actually earn what I am permitted to earn, on top of the pension. This would involve the unions opening the door on half day employment and businesses being able to employ me two, half days a week. This would allow me to afford running a car and visit relatives in another state..The over 60 period is a dreadful waste of life when people are supposed to enjoy sitting in a rocking chair all day.
    Triss
    7th Sep 2018
    11:45am
    You’re so right, Charlie, and it’s the politicians who think that way. Sitting comfortably in a big chair in parliament doing nothing heavy you could work until you’re 90, just throw in a couple of catcalls so you can convince yourself you’re someone.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    11:58am
    I for one couldn't sit in a big chair all day doing nothing. That's why people age so quickly as they don't use it and so lose it.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:20pm
    What are you doing now, Ebergeezer?

    Working to any age should be optional after pension age at 65... of course, as the superannuation system finally is resolved and eventually kicks in after 50 years and not the 25 that had the LNP (Fat Joe/Der Gormannator) bleating about 'too mucheee.. too mucheee pension' - the demand on Pension Rights should reduce. Just need to make it properly viable and out of the hands of parasites.

    As I said - I'd work for life in the right spot.. but I'm choosy now and still will not work with fools... and said 'WITH' fools - I work FOR nobody, though they may be granted the privilege of working with me.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:48pm
    Writing political posts for the government TREBOR. Well paid apparently but you have to sell your soul and eat vomit apparently. Perfect retirement job for OG.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    4:09pm
    Mick I would like to see them as I certainly didn't write any myself as I have better things to do than write rubbish for mere pennies.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:29pm
    Like the long list you produced below crowing LNP (non) achievements?
    NeDaPa
    7th Sep 2018
    11:20am
    People should be encouraged to work for as long as they want...assuming they are capable physically and mentally.
    This enables personal superannuation to accumulate and last longer.
    That said, from age 65, senior citizens still working should be able to obtain a seniors rebate on their tax return to offset council rates and utilities that retired people can claim.
    Also, the Govt should waive Stamp Duty on senior citizens downsizing their home.
    Generally, the Australian Government and environment does little to transition ageing citizens from their working life to retirement.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:20pm
    Rebate on tax up to the rate of their deferred pension? Sounds a good idea to me.
    Priscilla
    7th Sep 2018
    11:21am
    Worked full-time to age 77. Lucky to have an office job. Working this long enabled me to contribute to my superannuation much longer than I would have been able to. Also made life a lot easier as I no longer had a mortgage to pay. Would not be easy for people doing manual jobs when they get older mainly because of health problems. Didn't get any rate rebates until I retired. If you earn over a certain amount or more than a number of hours a week/fortnight you do not qualify for a lot of concessions either. Downside also was only having 4 weeks annual leave but otherwise I enjoyed my job and was happy to work to 77. Woudl still be there if they would have let me work part-time.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    11:43am
    Better than being retired as you don't get a day off at all.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:21pm
    I thought pensioners/retirees were on a skate.. now it's a burden?
    Bridgit
    7th Sep 2018
    11:43am
    69 yrs old and still working part-time as well as full-time carer - helps if you love your work and be able to work from home. Will keep going while I still have my marbles and 1+1=2
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    12:00pm
    1 + 1 = 3 for me.
    HarrysOpinion
    7th Sep 2018
    1:16pm
    In that case OG, ATO might be interested in auditing your past and current tax deductions!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:49pm
    Offshore tax shelter?
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:28pm
    Nothing wrong with having an offshore tax shelter.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    4:23pm
    **rubs hands together over the impending Cash In - Cash Out Tax... The Chico....
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:41pm
    @OG. "Nothing wrong with having an offshore tax shelter."

    It's MORALLY wrong. Too many rich scumbags do this, while poorer folk bear the tax burden. Typical of Lieberal scumbags.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:02pm
    Actually OG there's nothing right with having an offshore tax shelter. It's simply a LEGAL means of tax avoidance set up by the rich for themselves. I'd call that out for what it is: CORRUPTION at work in the highest office in the land.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:15pm
    76 developed nations are looking at ways to cut out the bleeding of their national economies and budgets via offshore accounts and such. There was a huge conference in Paris in the past twelve months.

    How long do you think it will last before some government pulls the pin on it rather than going broke?
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:34pm
    You forget TREBOR 'the rich' live in every land. They undermine all nations in their relentless pursuit of money (for them). Paying political puppets is a cheap option and government care not if the country goes broke. If you have any doubt then look at our current debt level. Around $600 billion and rising. Most created by rich man LNP government. Tax cuts for the rich. Let the money roll. And the right wing media NEVER batted an eyelid when somebody on $80,000 got a $500 tax cut whilst somebody on $180,000 got a $6,000 cut. I wonder why!
    Concerned
    7th Sep 2018
    11:46am
    I would need adequate support for physical disability that has occurred over the last few years. I would need funding to get to work, a good ergonomic work place, garanteed sick leave, adequate hours, I suppose what is needed is support. No ageism and bullying in the workplace,
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    11:54am
    Sounds to me like you simply don't want to work at all.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:42pm
    Trust a heartless creep to say that. I guess you'd get rid of the NDIS too.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:31pm
    Yes get rid of the NDIS as we can't afford all the waste it produces.
    sunnyOz
    7th Sep 2018
    11:47am
    Bring back the Pensioner Bonus Scheme! No incentive to keep working now. So the govt says you can earn $250 per fortnight without it affecting the pension? Well - if you do work, any wage, plus the pension, is taxed! So you are slugged twice. Having just done it, not worth it, so chucked it in. Much better to do the occasional babysitting, or dog minding.
    jackie
    7th Sep 2018
    12:02pm
    You can’t take money to your grave with you. I want to enjoy what ever time I have left. Life is about finding peace within yourself and living for you not some corrupt Government.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:50pm
    True....but who knows when they are done and also the next generation or the one after deserve a leg up. We got the same and wrong to not pass on the goodness.
    patti
    7th Sep 2018
    12:03pm
    Absolutely nothing would have encouraged me to work any longer than I had to. As full time carer for a partner with a terminal illness, I was astounded when a Centrelink employee suggested I should be able to manage some part time work! My caring tole was 24/7, especially the last few months. Yes, more income would be nice, but I prefer the relative peace of mind. Don't have to dance to anyone's tune.
    Rosret
    7th Sep 2018
    12:46pm
    I think Centrelink employees are sometimes trained in nastiness. So many times I have heard of people who are giving there all being "kicked" when they are down.
    Its amazing how those you know the system are not phased at all and those who genuinely need help are so emotionally knocked for a six.
    PerthSV
    7th Sep 2018
    12:04pm
    What would keep me working till 70?

    Doing something I enjoy. Having friends around me. Being financially secure. Having time to travel where and when I wish. Keeping fit through exercise that is enjoyable.

    Oh wait, this only happened when I retired. I’m never going back to work.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:12pm
    I'd be happy to work for life given the right circumstances and a quiescent management who understand that working with the best requires in them a sense of humility and awe and not deep paranoia over their own failings and the consequent 'need' to sustain their fragile egos by putting others down.

    Too common these days that 'manager' type -mostly imports or import-generated models with no real idea of leadership.... and more of leechership....

    Better still - my own business...
    Rosret
    7th Sep 2018
    12:28pm
    People don't work on for financial incentives unless they are under financial duress.
    Not all jobs are equal. Not all peoples physical and mental abilities are equal. Not all peoples financial situations are equal.
    I don't think our future generations have to work until they are 67 or 70; they just have to have enough equity in super or their savings to carry them through until the pension age.
    There is nothing to stop anyone (other than money) retiring at any age.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:44pm
    Correct - they work because they love their work etc.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:53pm
    Not so easy Rosret as you make a lot of assumptions. The only out I can see is the Universal wage because there are no jobs as such. Who knows what happens then. Until then expect the rich to put in their own governments, like the current one, to plunder workers and give the top opulent wealth. Its a game and workers are the fodder.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    7th Sep 2018
    12:33pm
    The only job I would be prepared to do after 65 is writing reviews for TripAdvisor or other review sites as I travel the world on my pension lol.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:45pm
    Ah - so you're the one on all those cruise ships that Ebergeezer keeps running into... the pensioners, not the ships....
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    7th Sep 2018
    3:23pm
    lol no cruise ships, prefer hiking in mountains, national parks & general exploring where most tourists don't go. :-)
    GFW
    7th Sep 2018
    12:44pm
    I'm 76 still working although last year I cut back to about half time, I think I will go on for a few more years yet. Keeps my mind active and I enjoy meeting the people from all walks of life that I interact with on a daily basis. I think the government should increase retiring age to 70 within the next five years, but also increase the incentives for older persons to stay in the workforce.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    12:48pm
    Government doesn't dictate retirement age - it dictates pension age. That's the source of the argument going on, and the reason Morrison, in this lead-up to election year, has stalled that age temporarily at 67.

    Watch that space for further developments.... the Trebor Party policy is to immediately revert it to 65.... if you wish to work after that... carry on...
    Rosret
    7th Sep 2018
    12:59pm
    I think its wonderful that some people are working into their late 70s and still love it. Most people don't have a "wonderful" job that allows that even if they did love it at some stage.
    When I first retired and started meeting older people on my morning walks I was rather shocked at how quickly the brain degenerates. One story one day, a different one the next about the same event. I am sure they thought they were OK too.
    However aged people can be a burden on the others in the work force and I would see it time and time again where the younger workers were carrying their load. I am sure there are exceptions.
    Being President of the USA is not one of them.
    HarrysOpinion
    7th Sep 2018
    1:11pm
    Morrison said that 70 was out, but don't be surprised to see 68.5 being the new retirement age for age pensions. Abbott said on national TV..."no change to pensions...in first term of office"...it's the expression " first term of office" that people ignored to remember. However, bugger-legs did change the age pension indexation in his first term of office.
    Either, we will see early federal election after another "Ides of March" attempt or we will go to election after the May 2019.
    Ahjay
    7th Sep 2018
    1:39pm
    A Universal Pension would be the ideal solution thus making retirement an option at any age.
    If you want more money, go to work. Centre Link could then be shut down freeing up enough money to fund the scheme.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:55pm
    HS - Morrison is thinking about the upcoming election. Expect lie after lie so the mentally challenged vote for the coalition. Once in he'll do a Tony Abbott and tear up the promises citing a whole pile of more lies. That's how this lot work.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:49pm
    Mick I expect even more lies and backflips from your Labor mates.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    4:30pm
    Your fear of the 'left' and of Unions is outstanding, Ebergeezer... do you come from one of those darkest European Eastern nations where 'the left' and 'unionists' are big hairy men with guns who come and night and fog you to a gulag?

    Or one of those Central/South American nations where being of 'the left' or a 'unionist' will get you desparacedos and your body left on the city rubbish dump, and so you must screech endlessly your loyalty to El Presidente and The Regime or be considered politically unreliable?

    Your fear of Unions and the left border on the totally paranoid.... I've met people like you before....
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:45pm
    "Mick I expect even more lies and backflips from your Labor mates. "

    Pretty funny coming from a Lieberal troll.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:05pm
    NOBODY OG and I mean NOBODY lied as much as Abbott when he was put into office by the Murdoch propaganda machine. Shorten does not have a record of deceit. This government has.
    Turnbull - 'Trickle Down Economics'....that was the justification to give rich supporters tax cuts, to be clawed back from workers.
    Don't get me started OG. You can run but you can't hide from the truth.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:35pm
    And you are stupid enough to believe any pollie Mick. I certainly are not.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    9:18pm
    Lets not change the subject that Abbott was a liar's liar. Caught out again. You can run but you can't hide!
    floss
    7th Sep 2018
    1:19pm
    Lay off poor old O.G.he is just a sad old person that needs attention ,I had a dog like that, he was a good worker but died young.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:56pm
    I was thinking you were going to say you put him down. It's Friday. I should be more sympathetic (SNAG).
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    4:31pm
    OG'd be a good working dog - rounding up the bull... **chortles**
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:06pm
    If that he would definitely be put down. Did I say that..........
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:40pm
    Many have tried but I'm still here and they are not.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    9:19pm
    Under which (posting) name are you referring to? There are many.
    cupoftea
    7th Sep 2018
    1:58pm
    The only people who want to work till there 70 are people who sit on there backsides all day and I don't mean just the pollies they wouldn't no what a hard days work was, Robert Tressel wrote a good book about 100 yrs ago read it
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    2:56pm
    Agreed.
    robnlee
    7th Sep 2018
    2:00pm
    Why don't people, government. organisations look OUTSIDE the box?
    I lost my job, got bored, crashed in the GFC, then started in community care as a volunteer
    Great move
    Does not have to be an internal move - chase your instincts, what you really want and like
    Employers - chase the passion, those that REALLY WANT a role - not just the money
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    2:33pm
    I've always had a yen to do overseas aid work.... tied to carer role though.
    gerry
    7th Sep 2018
    2:34pm
    most pensioners don't deserve a pension because they never saved for it """I paid my taxes I hear you say ,that didn't even cover your medicare,roads railways bridges schools ,hospitals I say..Labour was doing the right thing and to buy popularity SCMO has lowerd it ,This is why Russia,Italy.Spain and Greece are broke,,British pensioners had a state saving scheme from the day they left school and even they cant face all the wefare demands...Ok lets have lower pension age and let our grandchildren work 12 hours aday 7days a week to keep us,In 1950 8 workers kept one pensioner now I,m told 2 workers have to do it.Just tell the greenies to go to hell because when Asia no longer requires our coal and gas we are done for
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    3:01pm
    I paid taxes all of my life and do not get a pension. Nowhere in the developed world does that happen and Australia is ranked second in the world for over 65 disadvantaged. Tells a story. At the same time the already rich got tax cuts???? OUR MONEY folks!

    Will disagree on coal. Sure it pays the bills but if you have a dead planet you won't have to worry about bills because you won't exist. It is never palatable to act against your own financial interests but people need to be ethical rather than greedy. Yeah...doesn't pay the bills. That's supposedly why you have governments to act in the interests of the nation. There lies the problem. We don't.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:39pm
    Mick I too paid all my taxes too and like you get no thanks for doing so at all.

    Nothing wrong with coal either. It is yesterday's sunshine.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    4:36pm
    You get your tax concessions and such courtesy of the government through its use of those taxes paid over the years... nobody's fault but your own that you don't have insufficient to warrant a pension.... though many might look at that from the opposite point of view...

    However, you have been able to take advantage of the superstructure and infrastructure established in which you can prosper - or so you tell us endlessly ... and that didn't just come from nowhere.

    Your Politics of Envy is showing.. Ebergeezer... along with poor gerry.... oooohhhh... waaaaaa.. someone is getting something I'm not... unfair.. unfair....

    Many of those who are bust in retirement took a hell of a lot of knocks.... those who whine about undeserving pensioners could try it some time... few would survive.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:47pm
    "Nothing wrong with coal either. It is yesterday's sunshine."

    So you're an anthropogenic climate-change denialist too. Learn some science - particularly about what too much CO2 emissions do to the environment.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:08pm
    And today's poison OG, When low lying areas like Sydney CBD get flooded maybe the coal government will list, although I doubt it.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:20pm
    Ah - for the good old days of the London Smog..... or a trip through the Latrine Valley.... now that filthy power station filling the air with sulphur dioxide which turns to acid when it rains and was ruining people's lungs for generations has closed down - all you hear is the whining from the conservatives about the loss of base load power to the system...

    Met a bloke who lives down that way - he said he lives a stone's throw from the gas line coming onshore - yet under the false global economy (two lies for the price of one neither global nor economic in any way - just a playground for mega-rich in tax havens) pays top dollar for LPG for car...... he was not amused.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:41pm
    Trebor they will be back as people light fires to keep warm.
    Tzuki
    7th Sep 2018
    2:57pm
    I would work til I am 70 IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY EMPLOYED ME - I was retrenched at 60 and no one wants to employ someone old enough to be their mother even though we are very capable of doing the job just as well as the younger ones! 3 1/2 years later still no job. I've just about given up after even going for care jobs and cleaning jobs (I am an accounts admin person).
    MarkAdel
    7th Sep 2018
    3:39pm
    I got retrenched at 60 and now i live on $70,000 a year. Life can’t get any better. That what planning and saving does.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    3:47pm
    Those who fail to plan wonder what happened when others succeed and they don't.
    Tzuki
    7th Sep 2018
    4:02pm
    So you had a very good job in the first place then. Some of us are just normal every day people who had Normal average-paid jobs, who struggle to make ends meet, never had parents to give us a hand and never had luck on our side. I am not gifted or fortunate, just a normal female who has worked all her life supporting herself. So happy you are doing so well
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    4:07pm
    I am not gifted and had a very ordinary job and struggled to make ends meet. Parents left me nothing so no silver spoon for me either. I retired with virtually nothing and put in the nard yards to do what it took to get off struggle street. My only regret is that I didn't see the light sooner and wasted all those years making others wealthy instead of myself.
    MarkAdel
    7th Sep 2018
    4:23pm
    Yes, I was lucky. I get a pension for life from my days in the public service and put a lot of money in a tax free pension plan when I worked In the private sector. I never earned over $90,000 a year while I was working. I got divorced which cost me a lot of money as well as (still) paying child support. I don’t have an extravagant lifestyle which helps.
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:49pm
    "Those who fail to plan wonder what happened when others succeed and they don't."

    Christ Almighty! Have you never heard of people being forced out of work because of ill-health?
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:22pm
    I'm one.. still going though....
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:34pm
    Well I'm classified as chronically ill and have been for many years but I still make more than I spend.
    Fair Dinkum
    7th Sep 2018
    3:52pm
    if we keep working after 60 we should not have to pay any tax I am 74 and still do part time manual work but only for cash if I had to pay tax on the few hundred dollars I earn I guess I would go on the pension and that would cost the government a lot more than they would get tax from me
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    4:00pm
    I can't see a Labor government achieving even a fraction of what the LNP government has.

    A STRONGER ECONOMY
    Australia’s economy (GDP) is growing at 3.4% - more strongly than at any time since 2012, which was during the height of the mining boom. Australia’s economy is growing at a stronger rate than the world’s seven largest advanced economies – USA, Canada, Germany, France, Italy, UK, Japan – and the OECD average.

    MORE JOBS
    The promise made in 2013 for one million new jobs to be created within five years, has been delivered. 1,088,600 more Australians are in jobs since September 2013 (as at August 2018). Over half of these have been full time jobs.
    412,000 more jobs were created in 2017 alone – the most jobs created in a calendar year on record. Recent ABS figures also show 95,500 jobs for 15-24 year olds being added in the year to June 2018 – the strongest result over a financial year since 1989.
    The unemployment rate has declined to 5.3 per cent, the lowest level since 2012 and below the level we inherited from Labor in September 2013 (5.7 per cent). Likewise, the youth unemployment rate is at its lowest level in over six years – 11.1 per cent. Again, this is down on the level we inherited in September 2013 (12.7 per cent).
    LESS WELFARE DEPENDENCY

    More Australians are finding jobs. The percentage of working age Australians on welfare has fallen to 15.1% – the lowest rate of welfare dependency in over twenty-five years.

    INCOME TAX RELIEF
    We’re making income taxes lower, fairer and simpler.
    In 2018-19, around 4.4 million Australians will get tax relief of $530 per year and over 10 million taxpayers will get some tax relief. The tax relief plan we have legislated will remove an entire tax bracket, meaning that by the time our plan is fully implemented, 94% of taxpayers will pay no more than 32.5 cents in the dollar.

    SMALL BUSINESS TAX CUTS

    Tax cuts have been delivered for 3.3 million businesses employing around 7 million Australians. Further tax relief has been legislated (to further reduce the rate from 27.5% to 25% for businesses with annual turnover up to $50 million).
    For unincorporated businesses with a turnover less than $5 million, we have introduced a tax discount of 8% (capped at $1,000), and have legislated a further increase to 16%.

    INSTANT ASSET WRITE OFF
    Small businesses are being encouraged to invest in new equipment and machinery, with an instant asset write off for businesses with an annual turnover up to $10 million. This was used by almost 350,000 small businesses in 2016-17.

    LESS RED TAPE
    Compliance costs have been reduced for businesses, individuals and community groups by $5.9 billion since 2013 – including simplified Business Activity Statements, a Small Business Superannuation Clearing House and thousands of other decisions that are making life easier.

    MORE AFFORDABLE ENERGY

    Labor’s Carbon Tax has been abolished.
    While electricity prices doubled under Labor, we have turned the corner on electricity prices, with a 1.3% fall measured by the ABS in the last quarter.
    A number of new measures – a safety net price, a big stick to stop energy companies ripping off customers, and a technology neutral program to underwrite new energy generation – will further reduce electricity prices.
    The feasibility study for Snowy Hydro 2.0 has been completed, which showed Snowy 2.0 will increase the scheme’s capacity by 50%, improving the reliability of renewable energy and the national electricity grid.

    RECORD INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT
    A record $75 billion is being invested over the next decade in highway upgrades, congestion busting roads, rail projects including inland rail, improved local roads and a new airport.
    FIXING THE BUDGET
    Over $41 billion in Budget savings have been delivered since the 2016 election. We have halved the growth in spending – from 4% per year under Labor, to 1.9% under the Coalition (the most restrained of any Government in more than fifty years).
    The Budget deficit in 2017-18 is projected to be $18.2 billion, less than half what it was two years ago. We are on track for a balanced budget in 2019-20.
    MORE EXPORTS
    Trade agreements with China, Japan and Korea have been delivered, while negotiations have been completed for agreements with Peru and Indonesia, as well as the new Trans-Pacific Partnership between 11 major economies in our region (collectively worth $13.7 trillion).
    Australia’s exports increased to $401 billion in 2017-18, up from $307 billion in 2012-13. In 2017-18 Australia had a trade surplus of $6.4 billion (compared to a deficit of around $20 billion in 2012-13).

    TACKLING UNION LAWLESSNESS
    The Australian Building and Construction Commission has been restored to protect 1.1 million employees and 350,000 small businesses and tradies in the building industry from CFMMEU lawlessness. Corrupt and secret payments have been banned between businesses and unions.
    Around 35,000 owner-operator truck drivers were saved from a hostile union takeover, with the abolition of the so-called "Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal" established by Bill Shorten.

    SECURE BORDERS
    We stopped the boats. After 50,000 illegal arrivals in 800 boats under Labor, Australia’s borders are now secure and there were no arrivals over four years (from 2014 to 2018).

    17 detention centres have been closed, saving the Budget billions.

    FIGHTING TERROR
    14 major terrorist plots have been thwarted. The Government is boosting our security agencies, has introduced tougher anti-terror laws and is revoking citizenship of dual nationals who engage in terrorism.

    DEPORTING CRIMINALS
    The Government has cancelled visas of 3,700 serious criminals – including murderers, rapists, child sex offenders, armed robbers and drug dealers. This follows the strengthening of the Migration Act, enabling the deportation of non-citizens who commit serious crimes.

    TACKLING SCOURGE OF ICE
    The AFP has seized over 15 tonnes of Ice since 2013. We are providing record funding for law enforcement and treatment.

    A STRONGER DEFENCE FORCE
    We are undertaking the largest build-up of our military capabilities in peacetime history to provide the weapons, vehicles, ships, systems and aircraft to defend our nation and our interests. Our $90 billion continuous shipbuilding program will see 54 ships built in Australia using Australian steel. Labor did not commission a single vessel to be built in Australia during their six years in office

    CRACKING DOWN ON PAEDOPHILES
    Carly’s Law has been introduced and has already led to high profile arrests. Registered sex offenders have been banned from holding an Australian passport. Legislation has been introduced that means paedophiles would spend longer in jail, be less likely to get bail or parole and face mandatory sentences.

    MORE AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE
    The New Child Care Package benefits around one million families, by abolishing the $7,613 annual cap for families (incomes up to $187,000) and introducing a new Child Care Subsidy.

    MORE SCHOOLS FUNDING
    An extra $24.5 billion of funding is being provided over a decade – a 50% funding increase for the average student. Our agreement replaces 27 secret deals and will provide needs based funding for all students.

    BETTER HEALTH CARE
    We are doubling public hospital funding compared to Labor, increasing funding from $13.3 billion in 2012-13 to a record $28.7 billion in 2024-25 (116% growth over this period).
    86% of GP visits were bulk billed last year – 27.3 million more than Labor’s last year – a Medicare record. Reforms have been introduced to make private health insurance easier to understand and more affordable.

    IMMUNISATIONS
    From the start of this year, all 12 and 13 year olds have access to free protection against the HPV virus and cervical and other cancers.
    Every mother will now be given the opportunity to vaccinate against whooping cough with a free vaccine.
    Every 12 month old in the country is now offered a free quad-strain (ACWY) meningococcal vaccine.
    Our No Jab, No Pay policy resulted in 210,000 extra children immunised in its first year. More than 94% of Australian children are immunised as a result of the Coalition Government’s initiatives.

    LIFE SAVING MEDICINES
    There has been an average of one new or amended medicine listing a day on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, worth more than $9 billion.
    In some cases, medicines that are worth hundreds of thousands are now available for $6.40 (pensioners / concessional) or $39.50 (general patients) per script, benefiting people suffering from conditions such as breast cancer, spinal muscular atrophy, heart disease, epilepsy, severe asthma and cystic fibrosis.
    We are listing every medicine that the independent experts recommend. This was not the approach taken by Labor, who deferred and delayed several important medicines.

    SUPPORTING SENIORS
    We are investing in skills programs for older workers, allowing people on the Age Pension to keep more of what they earn, expanding the Pension Loans Scheme, allowing recent retirees to make further super contributions and providing more high level home care packages. We will fight Bill Shorten’s new Retirement Tax.

    WELFARE TO WORK

    We believe the best form of welfare is a job. Work for the Dole has been reinvigorated with almost 71,000 participants. People will no longer be able to use drug and alcohol dependency as an excuse for missing their requirements, unless they are prepared to seek treatment. We're also trialling cashless welfare cards and are seeking to trial drug testing of welfare recipients.

    RESTRICTING GAMBLING ADS
    As part of the Coalition Government’s media reforms, gambling ads have been removed during televised sports between 5:00am and 8.30pm on free-to-air television. These restrictions came into effect on 30 March 2018 and the same restrictions for online content services will come into effect on 28 September 2018.

    SAME SEX MARRIAGE
    All Australians had the opportunity to have a say on same sex marriage, which is now law.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    4:41pm
    **falls on floor laughing**

    Saying it doesn't make it so...... and none of those policies work..... for example 'investment in infrastructure' is a lie when the only 'investment' was the sell-off of public utilities (infrastructure) - all the foreign investment doesn't even pay tax, so has nothing to offer to this nation. A railway line to an Indian's project is hardly infrastructure for the nation, is it? New port facilities in Nowheresville? Well - who knows - we might need it some day... not sure why... but it's there just in case....

    Where is the 'investment in infrastructure' for the future of THIS nation and not the future of fat cats from overseas?

    Lies, lies, lies.....
    Knows-a-lot
    7th Sep 2018
    4:51pm
    "I can't see a Labor government achieving even a fraction of what the LNP government has."

    JOKE OF THE WEEK!
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:02pm
    Quoting from a speech in the House - none of it subject to any real scrutiny and utterly lacking in any detail and fact, but strong on rhetoric and generalisation.

    I truly feel sorry for you now, Ebergeezer, being hoodwinked by anyone in the political arena.... the greater misfortune is that far too many others are similarly duped.
    TREBOR
    7th Sep 2018
    5:10pm
    Are you suggesting that a Labor government or any other would not concern itself with defence, not pass through pharmaceuticals, not be concerned over terrorism, and so forth>

    These are normal everyday functions of government - absolutely no reason to preen and crow about......

    So... what else have the Romans done for us....?
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    5:21pm
    OG - and you claim you are not a government stoolie posting to gain support for the upcoming election??? Of course you are.
    Lets see where to start.
    Abbott repealed around 1200, I repeat 1200, pieces of legislation because they were Labor created. Nothing to do with good legislation. Everything to do with enacting class warfare.

    A STRONGER ECONOMY - the world is fixing after the GFC. Nothing to do with your crooked employer which has sold us out on energy by allowing our LNG to be sold offshore. Vandals! Now we need to destroy farming land to frack for gas???? Yeah right.

    LAWLESS UNIONS - Ha ha ha. Look at the real crooks...the TOP END OF TOWN. That's where real criminals live.

    DEPORTING CRIMINALS - yeah get rid of those awful Kiwis. Why not deport Liberal MP Daryl Maguire for selling out our country to Chinese developers? Exemptions for your own????

    MORE SCHOOLS FUNDING - tell them what your employer is doing to Gonski.

    MORE HEALTH FUNDING - is that why you keep trying to get people to join very expensive private health funds?

    WELFARE TO WORK - ha ha ha. Your lot are turning full time jobs into insecure part time or casual jobs and removing working conditions. Worse than that your lot allow the importation of labour to undercut Australians which would be consider as treason in other countries.

    SENIORS - you are a sick sick man OG. Seniors have been savaged again and again. Go back to la la land.

    Advertise all you like but propaganda is simply propaganda........aimed at those with impaired mental judgement and/or impaired intelligence. Not working mate. Ask for a pay rise.
    Old Geezer
    7th Sep 2018
    6:32pm
    Gonski needs binning with the NDIS.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2018
    9:06pm
    A tremendous list of achievements by the LNP.
    Thanks for sharing OG

    I like others have taken our strong economy and LNP’s accomplishments for granted . Your post is a timely reminder that we should not be complacent or the other mob will sneak in
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    9:25pm
    Ha ha ha. Next coalition funded troll clocked on.
    The only thing which needs "binning" OG is your government. That will happen shortly and not you, the Murdoch media propaganda spew, 7 and 9 News (not) distortions or any amount of Royal Commissions to destabilise the next legitimate government will stop that.

    The LNP is in a death spiral. Outrageous behaviour, arrogance, rudeness, unaccountability and thuggery on steroids is coming to get you. Why not ask your boss to get the election over and done with and put this lot out of their misery so that genuine government for all Australians can begin.
    GeorgeM
    7th Sep 2018
    9:39pm
    The list from OG is a bloody joke & a bunch of lies, and simply affirms that OG is a paid Liberal party troll here pushing their propaganda.

    Yes, they did Secure the Borders and implemented Same Sex Marriage (against Conservative wishes) - other than they they will be remembered for breaking a whole list of promises from Abbott - attacking pensioners income, and attempted attacks on everyone else, but also making massive attempts to help the rich and big business. While massively increasing Debt!

    Worst Govt in history - to be binned at the very next opportunity.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2018
    9:26am
    Spot on George. They only went along with the homosexual marriage BS because they saw votes disappearing at the next election.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2018
    2:05pm
    Great list OG. Labor has not got a chance of getting even a tenth of those achieve ents.
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    5:38pm
    OG, your comprehensive list of BS looks like it's been lifted directly off an LNP press release. Did you write it yourself? Or were you paid to write it? You really deserve some $$$ for your time, effort & imagination.
    musicveg
    9th Sep 2018
    6:49pm
    This looks like it was copy and pasted from the Liberals website. Who is to say some or all of those achievements could still happen under Labour. I am sick of all this bragging when there are many things the Liberals didn't do right and continue to go back on environmental protections and making the gap between rich and poor bigger.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2018
    6:52pm
    its not bragging musicveg. Just a timely reminder that we are sooo much better off under LnP than

    And as for the gap - Shorten plans to make it even wider especially amongst pensioners and retirees with his franking credit changes and raising pension age to 70
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    7:23pm
    God I'm sick of you trolls with your blatant lying. Just shut up with your claptrap!

    It might work for Murdoch & similar shock jock junk media, but we here are calling you for what you truly are: fake news. You can fool some of the people all the time, but not all the people all the time.

    The next election will throw you bloody liars out on your ears! Unless of course Murdoch gets busy with his brain-washing propaganda, & the fools are led like lambs to the slaughter. How can you trash our country like you do? It's like some of the Jews in Germany, who wouldn't flee because they refused to believe that Hitler would arrest them. "But we're Germans!", they foolishly believed, not understanding the racist Nazi rats were already at the steering wheel.

    Fascism is alive & throbbing in the editorials of Australia's gutter press & airwaves. Use your conscience to decide what's right & wrong. Don't be fooled by these cruel & greedy deceivers.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2018
    7:28pm
    Boohoo - its you who are trolling for the labor party. You are selling this country out
    Labor brings in migrants who go straight on welfare. Why ? Becasue these are the migrants who will vote labor forever. Coalition will bring in educated tax paying migrants who become captains of industry and help our businesses grow,
    Thats just one key difference in our migration policy
    musicveg
    9th Sep 2018
    7:50pm
    Olbaid, Liberals allow and encourage 200,000 Legal immigrants a year too and they are not just educated tax paying they are job takers, students on visas who then stay and work visas or stay etc. I am not voting Labour or Liberal I am voting "other".
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    7:57pm
    Another lie, olbaid. I don't vote for Labor.

    Lie #2, "Labor brings in migrants who go straight on welfare". The Libs have been in Office since 2013, so Labor doesn't have the power to make any decisions on this matter. So wtf are you on about?

    We all know that the current LNP Govt don't have a humanitarian bone amongst them, especially not Voldamort Dutton. So the West is free to start wars in god-forsaken countries for economic reasons (for oil & selling weapons to both sides) & therefore we have no responsibility to take civilians, now refugees, fleeing for their lives?
    Typical LNP greedy & cruel thinking!
    Old Geezer
    10th Sep 2018
    10:36am
    Current government does have a humanitian bone and have been using it very well as most of those refugees are economic refugees fleeing for more dollars in their pockets thanks to the behaviour of our previous Labor governments.
    Hoohoo
    10th Sep 2018
    12:23pm
    I don't blame them for fleeing for economic reasons either, if their homes have been bombed & their wartorn economy in tatters, with no hope of making an honest living or protecting their family's welfare in their homeland. Wouldn't you flee? OG, you're making out that these people are somehow cheats because they haven't been murdered, maimed &/or raped yet.
    That's a very cruel mentality you have.
    Hoohoo
    10th Sep 2018
    12:39pm
    After suffering war, rape & dispossession, these so-called "economic" refugees in the Manis & Nauru "Camps" are now confronted with rape & other violence, some women have been forced into prostitution to protect themselves & their children from the threat of violence or in exchange for food, & some are literally dying from lack of medical attention & hope, in these cruel camps our Govts have created for them. What a bloody disgrace!

    It's been a race to the bottom led by the LNP, & Labor has been forced to join this dirty race. Shame on you all.

    First it was the Yellow Peril & now it's the Muslim Peril. Oh yeah, it's "stop the boats" but "come in au pair. (if you are white & Christian)." It's only common sense, according to Dutton.
    KSS
    11th Sep 2018
    9:52am
    HooHoo, who is committing the rape, violence, child abuse in the detention centres?

    Oh yes. That would be other detainees! And you want to bring them to Australia?
    Hoohoo
    11th Sep 2018
    5:09pm
    It's very hard to get reliable information, thanks to the LNP for gagging the media. I understand it is the locals who are unhappy they have had these refugees forced onto their small islands with limited jobs & resources. It is the locals who have committed acts of violence upon refugees, not to say that all the violence has been committed by the locals. If anyone has committed a crime, why have they not been charged & sent to gaol?

    These innocent women & children are not being protected by anyone - they've been abandoned to fend for themselves in third world economies. Like I said, it is a disgrace to Australia for letting this happen.
    KSS
    12th Sep 2018
    8:26am
    Locals may be unhappy but they are not the ones destroying property in the detention centres, making demands, issuing threats, abusing children or women etc That is almost all coming from the detainees. There have been isolated incidents of heavy handed treatment metered out by local employees in the camps but this is not systemic and as I understand it they were punished under Nauru law.

    And the detainees do have choices of where to go. Australia is just not one of them.
    Hoohoo
    12th Sep 2018
    12:37pm
    Where do you get your information from, KSS? There is no independent media allowed there to report the truth, so it basically comes down to who you believe & trust. I don't trust anyone who actively tries to suppress the truth. What are they hiding?

    Locals are rightfully unhappy - they've had a prison camp released into their midst. Not only are the detainees "freed" expected to get jobs (yes, take limited jobs from locals) but it is most likely true that some detainees ARE criminals, also forced into the local community. It's unfair to everyone. But the vast majority of detainees are innocent civilians fleeing terror & murder. It is very cruel treatment for people who are already in a terrible predicament.

    And in regard to suppressing the truth, how many refugees have died over the years, while "Stopping the boats"? We don't know, nor can we ever find out. If any journalist reports on these matters, they will be thrust in gaol for treason. Again, what are they hiding?
    Crazy Horse
    7th Sep 2018
    5:32pm
    First there would have to be a job for the many thousands already on the Seniors Scrapheap. There simply aren’t.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2018
    2:07pm
    You are not looking in the right places. I get asked every other week if I kniw anyone who wants a job. 90% of job arent advertised now but filled by word of mouth.
    midnight
    7th Sep 2018
    8:12pm
    I'm happy to keep working, and do, but the hardest thing is finding people willing to employ 'older' workers. So I make my own work...

    7th Sep 2018
    9:03pm
    People should keep their minds and bodies active .
    Better to keep working than go on welfare at 65.
    Good for health and self esteem
    MICK
    7th Sep 2018
    9:27pm
    Tell me about the jobs? Destroyed by successive governments as have been the retirement dreams for many Australians except for the rich who make sure they get looked after.
    You'll be right satan.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2018
    9:42pm
    Full employment at the moment thanks to the LNP
    Economy has never been stronger
    TREBOR
    8th Sep 2018
    8:52am
    Full employment = 1/20 of the workforce unemployed and with no hope, and at least another 1/10 under-employed and wanting and needing more to prosper.

    Good laugh.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2018
    9:29am
    Correct TREBOR. Olbaid is simply running the party propaganda for the mentally challenged. As Abbott once said 'if you keep repeating the same lie people will eventually believe it'. That is how the government sponsored trolls work. No facts. Just repeated statements which most understand to be untrue. It is what it is.
    OlderandWiser
    11th Sep 2018
    8:09am
    Full employment, olbaid? Yes, because the LIARS in power class you as ''employed'' if you work more than 1 hour per week!!!!

    Only an LNP troll would post the crap you peddle. Or a blithering idiot!
    PlanB
    11th Sep 2018
    8:50am
    Hear hear OGR
    Hoohoo
    12th Sep 2018
    12:50pm
    He's no idiot. He's a paid troll. He deliberately makes spelling & grammatical errors to make himself appear like a normal person. But like your average psychopath, his ego is so huge he can't resist pointing out the slightest spelling & grammatical error of others he is attacking. Yes olbaid, some of us have good memories, too.

    All the jobs this LNP govt have created ("1000 new jobs a day" I heard one blurt yesterday) are rubbish jobs in the gig economy. That is, with no sick pay, no holiday pay, no maternity or family leave & no workplace injury insurance or superannuation (unless you pay it yourself). The worst thing is this: these jobs have replaced proper jobs. How do we know? Because the unemployment rate has remained the same.

    So it's just another lie dressed up as a good news press release.
    GeorgeM
    7th Sep 2018
    9:48pm
    Universal Pension without any Income or Asset Tests, from Age 65 and Residency (say 15 years), along with ready availability of decent, conveniently located jobs relevant to your skills paying reasonable income - these factors may help to give motivation subject to the health of the individual.
    However, this is not part of the agenda of any major political party, so why bother with such an article? Is anyone starting a new party which will actually work for the people? Not holding my breath!
    MICK
    8th Sep 2018
    9:32am
    When the robotics revolution hits in earnest they'll have no choice. If they try to starve the population it'll come back to hit them faster than a brick through the windows of parliament house. I have no doubt they will try but but the economy will collapse. That's what happens when ordinary peasant stock have no money to spend.
    I invite the future. The world as it exists now will have to change. It will but with much pain and suffering on the way.
    hyacinth
    7th Sep 2018
    10:38pm
    I am a retired teacher (not wealthy). Superannuation? Not allowed in 1974 as I was classed as temporary permanent, Bit of a shock after having it in the UK in the 5o's and 60's but had to withdraw it on coming to Australia. So I took out private super= that went down the spout in the global crash of 1987. However as super was made possible for all to have in 1982 I was able to have it and on retirement in 2000 I was able to pay off the mortgage. My husband was unable to work because of ill health and as a doctor at the time of his finishing work would not sign papers to say that he was unlikely to work again my husband did not receive a pay out on his superannuation only receiving the amount that he had paid in. After paying out numerous bills for treatment for my husband even though we had top health cover plus Gap I went back to work at the age of 72 as a teacher assistant and worked for ten years retiring last December at the age of 82. When I was 75 I was not allowed to have money deducted for super as that was a government law. Only three years later when the law changed was I allowed to have super deducted again. Needless to say when I finished work there was very little super as a pay out. To have tax deducted from superannuation when you return to work at a later age is no incentive for anyone to return to work. I know that there is a work bonus allowed by centrelink but after that, for every dollar earned ,a single person (and I have been a widow for over five years) has fifty cents deducted from their state pension.I enjoyed working, I miss it, it kept me active and my mind active, but as far as financial gain was concerned well...…...I think you can forget that.
    Migrant
    7th Sep 2018
    11:30pm
    The assets and income tests ceased to apply from age 70 , and the age pension was available to all over 70
    hyacinth
    8th Sep 2018
    3:54am
    Not in Australia!
    MICK
    8th Sep 2018
    9:35am
    And there lies the problem: retirees are are target in this country. Have a look at the over 65 poverty graph below. Australia is the second worst country in the world.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/12/02/which-countries-have-the-highest-levels-of-poverty-for-pensioners-infographic/#48a3c4de216f

    Share it around. Retirees need to see this and politicians need to have their grubby noses rubbed in it.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2018
    4:07pm
    The article is crap. It defines poverty line at 50% of median income.
    Australia has a very high median income and 50% of ours gives us a very good quality of life

    Here are the real facts
    Australia’s pension scheme has been ranked as the third best in Mercer’s 2016 Global Pension Index.
    PlanB
    8th Sep 2018
    9:43am
    You want to have SOME time to do what you WANT to do b4 you fall off your perch or get too unable to do for yourself -- you want to live till you die -- you might want to see some of your country -- look after your garden -- or whatever
    PlanB
    8th Sep 2018
    9:45am
    Old Geezer you are an annoying nasty blowhard -- that has NO compassion or empathy -- maybe at your age it would be nice if you developed some -- you are very much like this mongrel Government we have in now.
    Old Geezer
    8th Sep 2018
    3:38pm
    I guess you don't agree with me so you try put me down. Ha ha I love it.
    PlanB
    8th Sep 2018
    9:47am
    Those that want and wish to work and are able good for them they should be able to do so -- but so should those that want to give up work too
    PerthSV
    8th Sep 2018
    4:00pm
    Every Australian is entitled to a pension as they have paid for it in their taxes. Here is an article written a few years ago in a seniors magazine and copied onto the web by One Nation. It demonstrates how in Australia the pension is a right not a privilege. Worth reading:

    http://www.onenationwa.asn.au/Old_Age_Pension.pdf
    Foxy
    8th Sep 2018
    6:52pm
    The only thing that would make work until 70 was if I was given an incentive of say $35,000.00, even if I worked part time, which was NOT income and assets tested by centrelink. So I got to keep the whole amount of money without any taken off me by greedy centrelink when I finally retired.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2018
    9:31am
    There are some disincentives for people to be working at age 70. Not the least of which is our very generous welfare system. It was once over generous until Labor means tested it.
    But I prefer to focus more on the positive aspects of work. There are many health benefits associated with activity and making a valuable contribution to society. Rewarded for effort is essential. So to is learning new skills and as such I would like to see greater emphasis placed on T & D of our older population.
    PlanB
    9th Sep 2018
    9:47am
    Adrianus, just because you retire does not mean you stop being active -- in fact you could very well become MORE active and take up hiking/touring and so exploring places and you can still learn many things and improve your knowledge -- you can also do voluntary work if you wish -- you should never stop learning -- you can still be VERY active I always was and even though I am restricted these days I am still as active as I can be
    OlderandWiser
    12th Sep 2018
    7:14am
    Our welfare system is distorted and unfair thanks to misguided means testing, but it's NOT 'generous' except to a few privileged due to the distortions.

    As for remaining active, stopping work doesn't mean ceasing activity. PlanB is right there. For far too many, stopping work means having the freedom to engage in HEALTHY and STIMULATING activity, instead of being a miserable drone, used, abused, under-paid and unappreciated by the mongrels you are helping get stinking rich.

    Working doesn't equate to contributing to society. It more likely equates to being exploited and ripped off for the benefit of a minority. In retirement, many find ways to genuinely contribute to society - in ways that benefit those who in real need.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    9th Sep 2018
    2:09pm
    The only incentive for me to work beyond 70 is to be given an extra 20 years to live. Time is my biggest problem or rather lack of it.
    PlanB
    9th Sep 2018
    4:03pm
    How can you be sure to get an extra 20 years if you work VCB?
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    6:02pm
    It's just the luck of the draw, both by nature & by nurture.

    My Father was still playing competitive squash (& winning!) when he was 75. We all ate good fresh home grown meat, fruit & veggies from our farm. However, my Mum died early from a cancer associated with farm chemicals. One of my sisters is a nurse, still plays competitive tennis in her mid 60's, but suffers a whole range of health issues, mostly due to working night shift for decades.

    If you're lucky enough to find work you love & are capable of doing - go for it!

    But many of us have suffered work & sporting injuries, so we can't wait to retire & live life on our own terms, at least for a few years before we die.
    musicveg
    9th Sep 2018
    6:55pm
    If you choose to work beyond 65 that is your choice, but should not be forced on you and vice versa. If you do leave your job it goes to someone else who needs it, unless you are self employed. I think also there is a lot of Liberal propaganda spoken on this post, bragging about things that may have happened even if it was a Labour Government, but if you look at other aspects like the cutting back of marine parks, and making things easier for the rich and not the poor we can see many things the Liberals have done that are not so good.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2018
    6:57pm
    cutting back marine parks ???
    codswallop
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    7:34pm
    No codswallop, diablo/olbaid. The LNP cut it down to a fraction of the original marine parks area, then "gave" some back. This is typical of the Liberal lies.

    They've done the same with Education & Health budgets. Razor cut them when they first got in & then, like reverse Indian givers, gave us their wonderful largesse by giving a so-called "increase" in the "% rate of increase". Lies, damned lies & statistics - all designed to trick the feeble-minded. You'd have to be an idiot to believe them, & a liar to re-sprout their propaganda.
    KSS
    11th Sep 2018
    9:54am
    So the fishers in NSW are protesting against nothing, right Hoohoo? There are no plans to extend marine parks and limity fishing both recreational and commercial then.
    Hoohoo
    11th Sep 2018
    5:11pm
    Is that commercial fishers or recreational fishers, KSS?
    KSS
    12th Sep 2018
    8:28am
    Both because both will be affected if the marine parks go ahead.
    Hoohoo
    12th Sep 2018
    12:57pm
    And both will be affected even worse, if fish stocks & safe breeding areas are not cared for by scientists who are professionals of ecosystem management.

    The fishers are like loggers who complain they have run out of forests to log, so now they want to log National Parks. If the forresters had planted new trees as they clearfelled, they wouldn't be in this predicament. They need to learn to think long term, if they are sincere about protecting their own industries.
    ex PS
    9th Sep 2018
    7:04pm
    I retired six years ago, I am still working, but I work for myself not for someone who wants to make a profit from my hard work.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2018
    7:21pm
    If you were an ex Public Servant or ex Police Sargent as your moniker suggests, then you no one was "profiting" off your work.

    Actually not sure public servants can claim to be performing much work anyway - seems it more like welfare to me
    Hoohoo
    9th Sep 2018
    7:43pm
    These greedy types, like Old Geezer, think the only worthwhile work is that done to make profits. Then OG even brags about how he siphons off money to overseas tax havens! These sociopaths honestly think that if it's legal, it's also a good thing to do. Don't you understand you are traitors to Australia, by denying funds from our Govt revenue, which builds roads & other infrastructure, that pays medical staff to look after the sick & elderly, that educates our children so they can be skilled to work & pay tax?

    You are greedy traitors & yet you brag about it! You have no insight & no conscience. It's a sickness in our society.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2018
    7:47pm
    Boohoo - the top 10% pay 90% of the tax take
    How much greedier can anyone be than the likes of you who want the rich to pay 100% and you folks just take take take

    "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" - Maggie T
    Old Geezer
    10th Sep 2018
    10:30am
    At least I pay more in tax than I receive back (nil) which can't be said for 99% of those commenting here.
    Hoohoo
    10th Sep 2018
    12:48pm
    If only the top 10% paid even 10% that'd be good. BUT THEY DON'T!

    olbaid you seem to think the working people of Australia are "greedy" simply because we want the ATO to collect the fair share of tax from grossly rich people, who make their riches off the backs & sweat of ordinary workers!

    OG you already admitted how clever you are for having offshore tax havens. That makes you an economic traitor to Australia.
    OlderandWiser
    11th Sep 2018
    8:13am
    Likewise, exPS. I work on my own terms, when I please, where I please, doing work I love. NOTHING would have induced me to continue in the shit low-paid unhealthy jobs working for greedy abusers. I did that for 3 decades, and I'd rather retire poor and have to grow vegetables and live in a shack to survive than keep on with it. Unfortunately, I could never earn a living wage working the way I do now, so I had to save enough to top up my earnings with investment income before I could set myself free.

    The selfish here have no comprehension of what ''work'' means for the disadvantaged who have to sacrifice everything to line the pockets of the greedy wealthy.
    musicveg
    15th Sep 2018
    6:16pm
    We all pay tax it is called GST
    Dodge
    10th Sep 2018
    11:07am
    I would work while ever I wanted to, providing I get satisfaction out of my work and I feel I am contributing to the workplace environment.
    Dodge
    10th Sep 2018
    11:13am
    I would like to think I could continue to work as long as I was contributing to the workplace environment and was getting satisfaction from the work I did.
    *Loloften*
    14th Sep 2018
    4:18am
    Nothing would encourage me to work 'til 70 - life's too short, would far prefer to spend time with my children & help them while enjoying the exercise minding my 6 grandkids - thereby saving the Gov'mt Child Care Fees. A great outcome for all.
    musicveg
    15th Sep 2018
    6:20pm
    And so you should spend the time with Grandkids, they grow up too fast. Childcare debate is getting out of hand too, so many kids being brought up by strangers and tired parents at the end of the day. Having Grandparents makes them feel the love they need to grow up with a sense of belonging and confidence. Why we are seeing so many narcissists now because they are seeking the attention they did not receive. I often see parents at the beach with their head in their phones and missing out of watching the kids play and grow. At least Grandparents have the time and patience.
    Farside
    19th Nov 2018
    12:16pm
    Working to 70 is a fantasy for the many middle aged and older people who are not able to get a meaningful job despite an alphabet of qualifications and decades of experience. No incentive is required to work to 70, just the opportunity if you wanted it.


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