26th Aug 2018
Liberals out of touch with older Australians?
Liberals out of touch with older Australians?

Last week was undoubtedly one of the most tumultuous seven days in Canberra, as the Liberal Party leadership challenge dominated the headlines and the minds of most Australians.

With Australians already distrustful of politics, Liberal Party infighting certainly did nothing to renew faith in the democratic system.

A global corruption barometer conducted by Griffith University and Transparency International Australia in the form of a telephone survey of 2218 adults highlighted this distrust.

According to the survey gauging the growing impact of corruption on trust and confidence in government, 85 per cent of the respondents believe at least “some” politicians are corrupt and 18 per cent believe “most or all” are corrupt.

Around 62 per cent believe that politicians abuse their position to benefit themselves or their family, and trust and confidence in all levels of government fell last year to 46 per cent for federal and state levels and 51 per cent for local government.

“Continued slippage in the perceived integrity of federal officials clearly has a disproportionate effect on overall trust and confidence, nationwide,” said project leader Professor AJ Brown of Griffith University

Trust and confidence in politics took another hit last week.

As the leadership spill materialised, YourLifeChoices conducted a flash poll on who our members would like to see voted in as Liberal leader.

The results were surprising and may point to the fact that the Liberal Party is indeed out of touch with its constituents.

Although there were initially four potential leaders vying for the top job, once a petition of support for Peter Dutton was presented to Malcolm Turnbull, the former prime minister stood down, treating the petition as a vote of no confidence.

That left three: Peter Dutton, Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop.

Julie Bishop was the first to go, leaving Mr Morrison and Mr Dutton in the final round of voting.

We all know how that turned out.

Interestingly though, YourLifeChoices members did not agree with how these proceedings panned out.

When asked who would YourLifeChoices members vote for if they were in the party room, of the 954 who took part in the survey, 373 wanted Julie Bishop as the new PM (39 per cent), while 272 wanted Malcolm Turnbull to stay (29 per cent), 220 would have chosen Peter Dutton (23 per cent) and just 89 people were happy for Scott Morrison to be our new leader (nine per cent).

So, the least preferred option for the older Australians we surveyed is now the most powerful man in the country.

Once the smoke cleared from the leadership spill and Mr Morrison came out on top, we then asked our members if they thought he was the right choice. Unsurprisingly, if you take the first poll as a base, 52 per cent said ‘no’.

The latest Newspoll may also show the damage done by Liberal Party infighting, with the Liberals’ primary vote slumping to 33 per cent and the two-party preferred vote now 44–56 in favour of Labor.

While these results are a blight on the new PM’s first weekend on the job, YourLifeChoices’ members say he is still the preferred option over Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

When asked who YourLifeChoices members would prefer as Australia’s next prime minister, 54 per cent chose Mr Morrison over 46 per cent choosing Mr Shorten.

So, the numbers sway both ways, but more interesting were the responses from YourLifeChoices members about how they feel about the new leader and the state of Australian politics after this political fiasco.

The following comments are the various opinions of YourLifeChoices’ members and not that of the publisher. Some have been edited to keep to the point. If you would like to read all the comments made, head to our Scott Morrison becomes 30th Prime Minister thread.

“Next policy: corporate tax cuts!  That's not going away with this Government and it matters not who leads it. The really interesting observation will be if now that Turnbull is gone the Murdoch media will again go into propaganda mode to deny Labor government.” ~ MICK

“What a waste of energy, time and money, get on with the job of governing Australia, for the people. Bring on an election asap. This should not be allowed to happen, he was not voted in by the people.” ~ musicveg

“Good choice but would have preferred J-Bish.” ~ KIAH

“I don't have a high opinion of politicians on a good day, but this has been disgraceful, and I think we need to tell them this has to stop. Maybe we should be able to have a say in who is the leader of the party. This is costing us all money and the focus should be on the big issues, not egotistical little boys throwing tantrums, which is basically what Turnbull did. Well now he has left himself with no choice, he has to go but I bet you he changes his mind!” ~ Ted Wards

“The people should decide this mess. We supposedly live in a democracy.” ~ Crowcrag

“What has gone down over the past week is disgusting! I sincerely hope that the Libs pay at the next election and it can’t come early enough. Bring it on!” ~ Robi

“Where's the button for Penny Wong or Tanya Plibersek?” ~ jennyb

“This is a bigger argument, and the last people who deserve any say into our future are the Climate Deniers, which all of the Liberal Right wing are, who not only are technically insane, but don't even care for their children, let alone our children.” ~ Lookfar

“Finally, the Liberal Party can move forward with more to the right. Back to its roots. Turnbull took the party too far to the left. Onwards and upwards and to the right!” ~ olbaid

“I am truly sorry Malcolm Turnbull was treated in this way by his colleagues. This shows sadly there is no place for centre right politics in the eyes of some. And if you have such tendencies you are turfed out. There is no doubt in my mind Julie Bishop is the best person for the job. None of the others have her global skills, her experience, her expertise in many areas and yes, her charm. Personal opinion: I have no doubt that the LNP will not lose many of their voting public because the majority of Australians have little regard for the Greens and Bill Shorten.” ~ Sophie

“What is needed is ‘good government’. We need intelligent policy based on what is best for Australia and Australians – decisions based on facts and evidence, and not influenced by private profit-priority/power-seeking interests. To achieve ‘good government’ we need all parties to be focused on coming together, and sometimes having to compromise to reach agreement i.e. not being divisive for the sake of point scoring. Both major political parties need to govern ‘together’ utilising respectful debate to win over their arguments. Such a government could possibly win back our respect. My concern, which is shared by all of my rational friends (both political party supporters), is that Tony Abbott and the out-of-touch far right will continue to disrupt any good policy going forward – good luck to you Scott Morrison – you'll need it!”  ~ Dollars over Respect

“I'd rather have an outspoken Dutton. At least he was and still is his own man. Far too many of these pollies today are there just for the perks lurks and retirement benefits.” ~ Warrior

“I would like to see any party in power who are in touch with the people of Australia, whose MPs don’t lie.” ~ Oldpom63

“Morrison conned Turnbull. He played his cards right, but let us not forget that as Treasurer, he was the architect of the big company tax cuts and could well resurrect them if the LNP is elected to government at the next election. He has also presided over ‘savings’ made from public institutions and welfare (bashing the less well off). In his time as Minister for Social Services he introduced legislation such as ‘wait for the dole’. Prior to that he was the very secretive Minister for Immigration and Border Protection who used phrases such as illegal immigrants to describe refugees arriving by boat, and has been in the spotlight for alleged breaches of human rights. Has this leopard changed his spots? And will the vultures from the extreme right wing of his party allow him a trouble-free run? The LNP is forever broken. I'm over them. The ALP will now get my vote for some time to come.” ~ The Black Fox

“Scott Morrison was the only solution to this et tu, Brute event. My dilemma is seeing my local member happily side with Peter Dutton. I have no say in who is Prime Minister, but I am very angry at the disloyalty of my own elected member. Given the Liberal Party can't afford to lose one seat I wonder how many people feel as I do today.” ~ Rosret

“Both Morrison and Shorten are both very poor choices, in fact both Liberal and Labor (add Greens too) are bad choices for this country, especially for retirees – whom all three will attack.” ~ George

•••

In all fairness to Mr Morrison, he may be well suited to the top job and we wish him well in his endeavours. Hopefully, he can restore some faith in our political system and over time, maybe even help with the plight of retirees.

And for all those who feel that Mr Morrison is not the best choice as our nation’s leader, we’ll leave you with Micha’s sentiment …

 

What do you think of last week’s drama? Has it changed your mind about your preferred party? Are you looking forward to the next election?

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    SGW
    27th Aug 2018
    10:52am
    Shorten is just a US stooge just like Rudd, Gillard, Abbott, Morrison et al but i would still rather have labour in than any of the others
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    11:28am
    A bit unfair. ALL of our governments are lackeys of the US because that is who will/may protect us if we are attacked.
    The choice if between a government ruling for the interests of the wealthy and a government ruling for the whole nation. No matter how one packages it these are the choices.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Aug 2018
    12:07pm
    “In Australia they always say when America sneezes, Australia passes out"
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    1:39pm
    More like America sneezes and Australians prime ministers fart.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:15pm
    Been reading Tariq Ali and it is amazing how a secular non-religious Paki can have the same ideas as I and others do.... worlds apart yet worlds in synch. His comments on neo-conservatism, New Labor, and the current intrusions of 'privatisation', and what is behind all these things, put many of my thoughts in order.

    The joys of reading...

    All flunkeys of the new empire..... and quite afraid to not co-operate.... as I've said before - should this nation rise in righteous wrath and strike down the imposters, and institute instead a government of the people, by the people and for the people first and foremost, including all economic activity - it would be tarred as the Cuba of the South Seas.

    Amazing but true.... and so much for our alliances.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    10:01am
    Been reading history of Germany during the rise of the Nazi Party, and it's amazing the similarities with what is happening in Australia today.
    maxchugg
    29th Aug 2018
    12:25pm
    OnlyGenuineRainey, this is a rare moment when I absolutely agree with you.
    Janus
    27th Aug 2018
    10:53am
    You can fool all of the people sometimes.. etc.
    When the Liberals learn that the politics of greed are NOT what most Australians want, they will do better.

    I do not see any change, except in a name at the top. Liberals will always run the country as though it is a business, as opposed to a society. Lower taxes, but fewer services.

    Look at the history of Germany, 1931-2. Be afraid.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    11:29am
    Great post. Nazi Germany is the perfect analogy and you only have to look at some of the 'laws' Turnbull Inc. tried to bring in to see where this lot were heading. Frightening.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    6:28pm
    Nationalised 'unions', worker's rights enshrined in a work card without which they could not leave or enter a job, state-controlled wages.

    I've suggested before that William L Shirer's 'Rise and Fall of The Third Reich' is good light reading for comparisons.... and even Hitler said that a person blind to history had no idea of the present... it is frankly astounding how many comparisons there are between our current Mess of A West and societies such as NAZI Germany, and how even our 'left' are intent on the same things.

    Again, Tariq Ali mentioned weak and controled unions as one requirement for the 'global economy' of corporations.

    As I said - the joys of reading.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:01pm
    Yes, the similarities with Germany's history and the rise of the Nazi party is terrifying.
    Farside
    29th Aug 2018
    11:00am
    It will become increasingly difficult for the current Government (and future Labor governments for that matter) to maintain electoral support as rusted on boomers enter retirement, the silent gen exit god's waiting room and increasing numbers of millennials hold Canberra to account.

    Morrison's challenge as first Gen X PM will be to drag his conservative mates into the 21st century else be consigned to dustbin of history.
    Crowcrag
    27th Aug 2018
    11:04am
    An election. ASAP. No campaign time, just an election. I need a sausage sizzle!
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    11:30am
    And I need a rest. Give me a democracy any day. I do not want the coalition rich man's coal owned dictatorship!
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Aug 2018
    12:15pm
    If there is another referendum for Australia to become Republic, vote "YES!"
    The President is voted in for a 5 year stint and the President selects a suitable Prime Minister not the Prime Minister's political party. The party's cabinet members can backstab themselves all they like but the Prime Minister remains unscathed for his or her full term of office. How's that for stability?
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    12:30pm
    If it works. Politicians and the media could destabilise a saint.....and members of parliament are a long way down that scale. Any of them.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:16pm
    Unfortunately, HS, in the past we had Howard's Way - the parliament chooses the Prez who is a figurehead if not an empty vessel on which to bang to make noise.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Aug 2018
    2:55pm
    The last few weeks of shambolic Coalition mutiny events have proven that the parliament is not capable of making the right decisions for the nation and Australian citizen's interest. The people must be the ones to elect a president and must be the ones to own that decision, not the mindless parliamentary lower house and senate rat-bags which ever side they are on. Howard's way was a conceited self-serving method of creating a prezident who would only be puppet of the government in order to protect his own and his political party's interests but not the citizen's.
    Many voters are appalled that a bunch of dissenting Coalition ball-busting rat bag MPs and Senators have caused this mayhem and achieved instability of the government. They are the ones to be blamed, to be booted out and the system of government must change. The people of Australia come first, their welfare comes first, their security comes first, not the self-interests of mindless politicians!
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:58pm
    These are almost all of the Howard left over lot. The ones who were never able to accept that they were thrown out because Australians did not want the Work Choices enslavement.

    If voters in the respective electorates stopped voting for the dogs dressed up in party colours and concentrated on weeding out the cancers then the country would be much the better. Sadly conservative voters always pursue their same party for the money give away they expect. These are folk who claim to be 'Australians'.
    Farside
    29th Aug 2018
    11:13am
    It would be a welcome change if the electorate considered the behaviour of their elected representatives and vote them out if they did not represent their interests. It's not difficult and only requires a little critical thinking to avoid parliament being reduced to a bunch of unrepresentative self-obsessed ratbags.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    3:31pm
    Yes, Farside. Anyone who is truly passionate about the Liberal Party & its future should be actively working to remove Tony Abbott. He's done nothing good for Australia or the Liberal Party. The only thing he's good at is Leader of the Opposition because that position really taps into his amazing Machiavellian abilities to undermine, to snipe & to disrupt.

    He lied like a psychopath the night before he was elected in as Prime Minister with "No cuts to Education, Health, the ABC & SBS." Within the week he'd broken all four promises. No wonder the Libs have been in trouble ever since. The 2014 Jo Hockey/Abbott Budget just consolidated all our fears. Abbott seems totally miffed as to why people were so upset. You lied without batting an eyelid, Tony, & you've never even acknowledged it. The irony is, he won office by shredding Julia Gillard to pieces, because she lied (once) about introducing a carbon tax (for one year, until a carbon trading system was put in place).

    I know Parliament is a cut & thrust business, but when they execute one of their own that's when people say enough! I see a Victorian female federal Liberal is refusing to stand again next election because of the bully culture in the Federal Liberal ranks during the spills. She was the only Liberal Victorian to take a seat from Labor in the last Federal election. No wonder the Libs are falling apart. Morrison is getting a lesson in how to herd cats (impossible).
    jackie
    27th Aug 2018
    11:12am
    The Libs are so out of touch with themselves and the rest of the nation. How on earth can a political party manage our economy when the party is bankrupt? All it's members are greedy, rich folk that are very selfish and stupid.
    sunnyOz
    27th Aug 2018
    11:35am
    Jackie - you are so right! But it would not matter which party. Having had the nightmare misfortune of having worked for an MP, I can assure you, seniors are WAY down on their list of priorities. Totally, utterly and completely not interested in anything to do with pensioners and seniors. I saw senior who came in to the office treated with utter contempt and disinterest, and in a totally condescending manner. I used to cringe with embarrassment and shame. But claim the paper and bottle of water on their expenses? - too right!
    I had to leave as I could not morally and ethically work there any more.
    jackie
    27th Aug 2018
    1:02pm
    sunnyOz....Of course none of them are concerned about seniors. I would like Australia to have a Government that cares for its country and people like New Zealand has.

    Instead we are run by a pack of globalists that are only concerned about the rich getting richer.
    Farside
    29th Aug 2018
    11:21am
    The only way wealthy and elites can remain in government is by persuading a majority in the electorate they have their interests at heart and represent their priorities. Hold your representatives accountable by critically evaluating their actions on your behalf.
    Jacka
    27th Aug 2018
    11:31am
    Once again it's a total disgrace that these Jackal can vote out the prime minister elect the prime minister is voted in by the people and should only be voted out by the people these people, politicians fearful for their own jobs should do a far better job to secure the vote of their constituents. they should not have the choice of deciding who leads the party the Australian people have spoken. The politicians weren't drafted put their hand up for a handout from the public which they abuse at every opportunity. 90% of them should be set adrift in boats in the middle of the ocean and left to their own devices. The Westminster system needs to be abolished and a fresh staple and intelligent government formed. I could go on but I imagine you get my drift. god bless Australia, god help Australia. Jacka
    KSS
    27th Aug 2018
    12:55pm
    Jacka, the Prime Minister is NEVER voted in by 'the people'. The people vote only for their local member. Only the people of Wentworth voted for Mr Turnbull, their local member. So unless you live in Wentworth you had no say in the election of Mr Turnbull for any position.

    The political party elects their leader and should the party 'win' the election the party leader becomes the PM. The people have little to do with it! Party leaders can and do lose their seats at an election - remember Mr Howard? The party can still win the election even if it's leader does not win their seat! No matter. The leader is chosen by the party - not by the people. They just choose another leader!
    patti
    27th Aug 2018
    11:32am
    Libe have been out of touch with all Australians who are not among the wealthy. All they have done is try and screw more money from us, and give themselves more money, pats on the back etc. I have very little faith in either of the major parties. Perhaps it is time for politicians to get back in touch with those who elected them.
    jackie
    27th Aug 2018
    1:08pm
    patti... The lot of them should be put on the streets and in detention centres for a while. That will bring them down to earth. It should be a political prerequisite for all politicians.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:23pm
    Perhaps the Trebor solution that ONLY persons below a certain net wealth, meaning they have no vested interests and no conflicts of interest, should be permitted to stand for public office should apply. That was one of the attractions of Lambie to many - she was 'one of them' with no riches to speak of and no contacts and connections. Look at Bill Shorten's connections, and quite a few others.... like 'business', political appointment in the main is an 'old mate's club'....

    I've been discussing this elsewhere - look at Hockey etc as well - in Uni politics he could choose which party he went with - depending on which would more suit his ambitions - just goes to show how really shallow our politicians are and how bereft they are, in reality, of genuine principle. Shorten was introduced to politics by his first wife's father - a Liberal MP past..... Look at Brendan Nelson - which party? Then a nice little sinecure for life running the AWM...(jesus)...

    It's all an old mate's club - not for the people or to do service at all.

    Drastic.. sometimes a major cancer requires drastic surgery and then drastic chemo to flush out the remnants.
    Hoohoo
    28th Aug 2018
    2:49pm
    It has become apparent to me that our politicians & governments are mere pawns for the elite, who own all the institutions (especially the media) that buy & sell our elected representatives.
    You're right, TREBOR, Jackie Lambie is very popular because she's a real human being, warts & all. I disagree with her on a lot of issues but at least I know she's fair dinkum in her views, even if I think she's being manipulated by media puppet-masters. That said, I wouldn't want someone like her to be the PM or President. I'd prefer someone with more guile & cunning, who can't be so easily manipulated. Unfortunately, most really clever people are already at the helm of big business boys clubs or safely living quite lives out of the limelight. They are the smartest of them all. They know that money or power won't make you happy.
    Unfortunately, you need to be a bully & a backstabber to do well in politics these days. Leave your conscience at the gate before entering the Party Room.
    Hasbeen
    27th Aug 2018
    11:34am
    The really worrying thing is Ted Wards comment in your survey, when he suggests the parliament should concentrate on the "big things".

    It shows he & most of those surveyed have no idea what this was all about. It was all about very big things. It was about Turnbulls attempt to lock us into the Parris accord, & a CO2 reduction no other country has agreed to.

    He wanted to deliver us to the United Nations as a package, & to hell with our sovereignty.

    Perhaps like Rudd before him, he is dreaming of the UN Secretary General's job, & wanted to use us as his donation to that most corrupt organisation.

    God we are so badly served by our left leaning media, that very few actually knew what was happening. We have just had a very lucky escape, thanks to a few brave MPs who put their career on the line. That so few know it is a catastrophe.

    We have still lost as where Turnbull was a poor reflection of Rudd, Morrison is an even poorer reflection of Turnbull.

    Poor feller my country.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    4:56pm
    Oh dear, Hasbeen. "...we are so badly served by our left leaning media"??? What planet are you on? Not Earth, that's for sure!

    If us moderates & those on the left had no ABC, we'd have almost nobody to tell us the other side, especially now Fairfax has been taken over by NINE.

    Private media conglomerates (Murdoch, Packers, etc) are in it to make money, nothing else. That's why they give us gutter press, page 3 girls, celebrity gossip BS, advertisements & right wing bias in news stories (because they want corporations to be well presented, so they can all reap in the profits). They are not compelled to expose both sides of the arguments, as the ABC is forced to do.

    Hasbeen, I reckon you've been listening to so much right wing propaganda for sooooo long, you think anything different is "left wing media." This is the problem when people get their news online (directed to them specifically because the search engines already know which way you lean, left or right). They give you the news & stories that they know you want to hear so they sell you more stuff online, & they & their advertisers make more money. This is the problem when people have shut their ears to different opinions - they are then open to manipulation. The extreme version of that ugly story is Nazi Germany.

    You're worried about being locked into the Paris agreement...UN package (which means)... "to hell with our sovereignty". Don't you think we sell off our sovereignty every time Pine Gap transmits to USA? Or every foreign trade deal we make? Or every time foreign money buys influence in Australia? My gosh, our former Trade Minister, Andrew Robb, made a deal with China for a 99 year lease for the Port of Darwin! You're living in a bubble if you think the Paris agreement is the worst thing that could happen.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    5:09pm
    And how dare you say "Poor feller my country" in this context. Xavier Herbert's book was about the dispossession of Aboriginal people in Australia. Their land was either stolen from them or is now called "Crown Land". What a joke, speaking of sovereignty! That's the British Crown, not Australia's!!!
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    11:36am
    "Out of touch" leon? That is what the commentators say and this is the massaging of some pretty corrupt behaviour in the seat of ultimate power unaccountable government.

    They are not out of touch. They are deliberately selling out the nation and average Australians with wealth transfers to the top end of town, policies which advantage the coal planet destroying industry and ongoing attempts to kill off renewable energy.

    The fact that the coalition is perverting government on the back of the big end of town owned and controlled media is how they do it. Nobody will stand up to the tycoons who run this game so nothing ever changes and the corruption goes on.

    We need a Federal ICAC and we need it immediately Labor gets in.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:25pm
    Too true, Mick - check my comments above about the old mate's club... private school mates and uni buddies ..... no wonder the nation is a mess and going down.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:43pm
    I have always suggested it is a 'top end of town' club. The elites.
    If you have read any of Richard's work or Dent's work you'd be quite worried as their calls are playing out in the same way water ends up at the bottom of the funnel. Some people are going to have a very rude awakening as the system they think is set in concrete is totally rewritten to favour the wealthy. The first shot is already there with tax cuts but the worst is yet to come and debt which is never intended to be repaid and cryptocurrencies at a government level will be how this plays out. Horrifying thoughts for those with the intellect to think past what is.
    ace
    27th Aug 2018
    11:50am
    Well I guess we only have ourselves to blame we voted these people into government & parliament ! if they were no good why did we vote for them An ex-copper who is an extremist & bully who tells us we don't need to know ,buts seems to be very easily lead Dutton (Abbott) will just lead Morrison around by the nose ! Shorten is the reaction but that's not the answer Is there really no one Else we voted for that we trust & respect ? I wonder if Tanya is interested ?
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    12:27pm
    Why? Because Murdoch ran propaganda to embellish the coalition and paint Labor out as bad. The big media outlets in our country followed suit and I recall 7 News routinely giving Turnbull long airtime at primary schools and children's hospitals whilst Shorten got 5 seconds out of context to appear to be a loser.

    As I see it Australians have 3 choices:

    1. vote coalition and be done over even worse than already. Believe me when I say there is more to come.
    2. vote Labor in the knowledge that the 'bad' press you get is for the most part total propaganda and untrue.
    3. vote Independent and get some real government.

    I have no other choice other than to vote Labor in the upcoming election as the current lot have to be sent on their way. Our democracy is not available for this government to turn into its rich man's dictatorship!
    Voters need to TURN OFF THE (not) NEWS, think about the past 5 years and the INTENTIONAL lies TOLD and then make a call. Pretty black and white really.
    HarrysOpinion
    27th Aug 2018
    1:40pm
    Your reference to Murdoch, Mick, is not wrong. However, no independent would achieve very much in Parliament's Lower House nor in the Senate.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:12pm
    Big things begin with small beginnings.
    If an INDEPENDENT PARTY were started where consensus on important issues was at its core then Independents would work well. Works in Europe.
    Charlie
    27th Aug 2018
    11:50am
    Eh, what was that?
    Old Man
    27th Aug 2018
    12:02pm
    Well, what an earth shattering result from a poll of members of a Labor website. Even before a new Cabinet has been announced or whether there will be a change of policies, those members polled are certain that the Liberals will fail. And here was me thinking that Australia was the land of a "fair go". Nobody has mentioned the rank hypocrisy of Shorten bleating on about the chaos of changing PM's when he was instrumental in knifing not one but two PM's and perpetuating the lies about reducing funding for health and education.

    Again we have those putting forward their outrage about their choice of PM being toppled when the only people who can vote for a PM are MP's, not the general public unless they happen to live in the electorates of Cook or Maribyrnong or Wentworth in the past. Australia is not a Republic where people vote for a President.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    12:19pm
    You can wave the flag for your Party all you like OM but the writing has been on the wall for a long long time. Given that the leadership of this government is made up of Howard left overs filled with venom and hate what else can these people ever be than what they are?
    KSS
    27th Aug 2018
    1:01pm
    "Nobody has mentioned the rank hypocrisy of Shorten bleating on about the chaos of changing PM's....."

    Or the rank hypocrisy of Mr Turnbull who knifed two former Prime Ministers himself (Mr Nelson and Mr Abbott).

    And Mr Shorten has already declared that Mediscare 2.0 is ready to go again in QLD for the next general election. Well I suppose it will uphold the Green's recycling ideology!
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    1:23pm
    They're all hypocrites. The question is will you choose a hypocrite who is going to turn us into the next rich mans America or will you choose a Party which will govern for the country. I know what Rupert Murdoch and the big media outlets in our country will do but WHAT WILL YOU DO? Vote for YOUR party as normal? Even John Howard's electorate spat out the unsavoury diet they had been fed.
    inextratime
    27th Aug 2018
    2:31pm
    Mick - if you believe that the Labor Party will deliver anything other than enlarging the current deficit, increasing unsustainable immigration levels, committing the country to subsidised renewal energy that will send energy prices higher than they are now and as far as saving the planet achieve nothing and reducing border security you probably have fairies at the bottom of your garden with pigs flying over your roof.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:45pm
    You are running the right wing lies and propaganda inextratime.
    Please explain how your Party has run up $600 billion of debt in the good times when Labor left $145 billion after the GFC had hit?
    The rest of your post is similar crap and you might like to tell readers that coal fired power is now more expensive than renewables.
    So who is paying you??????
    Circum
    27th Aug 2018
    3:33pm
    Coal energy more expensive than renewables Mick?What have you been drinking?
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    4:34pm
    FACT and getting cheaper by the year:

    https://electrek.co/2018/05/09/egeb-solar-power-cheaper-congress-cut-renewable-energy-10-millions-jobs/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-26/australia-ousting-turnbull-shows-economy-not-driving-discontent

    Study the second article and look at the graphs. They tell the story.
    Hoohoo
    28th Aug 2018
    3:06pm
    Old Man, I'm constantly surprised by accusations like yours, regarding this website as pro-Labor (or even left wing, haha). Didn't 52% of respondents of the survey say they preferred Morrison over Shorten? Only an fool or a deceiver could unpackage that as being pro-Labor.

    I think you are typical of the right wing of the LNP, who think the Liberal base is on the far right, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR OWN POSITION. It shows a lack of insight into the reality of the situation & a childlike, selfish naivety.

    The right wing media are the same - anyone who disagrees with them is labelled as extreme left wing, Communist or Socialist. These people have never learnt to walk in someone else's shoes. They are just selfish &, when given power, self-serving.
    MICK
    28th Aug 2018
    3:36pm
    For you Circum and the other trolls:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-28/alex-turnbull-says-coal-miners-have-undue-influence-on-liberals/10170908

    Read it and weep. Demonstrates your lack of truth. I am on the money.
    Circum
    29th Aug 2018
    5:18pm
    Only troll I know Mick is one my son owns.It has purple hair and big eyes and lives in a box.I read that ABC news article you referred to about Turnbulls son and his opinions on new coal power stations.I found no facts to add credibility to energy debates..only the opinions of someone who makes a living betting on energy company developments so hardly unbiased or without motive.I could make comments about where the article fails in being logical and relevant but I doubt you will accept them.
    Retired Knowall
    3rd Sep 2018
    2:59pm
    Present cost of generating power in Australia:
    Solar and Wind Power $50 MWH
    Coal Fired Generation > $140 MWH.
    The consensus of academics is that Australian Power Needs should come from a combination of Solar and Wind and Pumped Hydro with Gas as a peak demand source.
    Coal does not make it into the equation.
    4b2
    27th Aug 2018
    12:33pm
    It does not matter who the leader is its their policies and deception during the election period about being in lockstep with education, health and funding the ABC.

    Health care is the biggest item for any government. Support not for profit health funds. Remove the government subsidy and let them charge what ever they want, and see the result.
    Education is next without the ridicules hex fees.
    The drought is temporary and will fix itself, but farmers need financial assistance now.
    Under employment and a sustainable wage (indexed to CPI) need immediate attention. Trickle down thought bubbles wont work.
    Complete tax reform is needed. Consider adding a Commonwealth component to the GST and remove all other PAYG and company tax.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:29pm
    The end game is to privatise all health, education, public services and utilities and such to sustain the profit motive, since the near demise of industrial profits in the west ..... corporations hold the keys and the reins.... governments do their bidding and are paid out handsomely for doing so. MPs are either a few Independents or are neo-conservatives through and through or are just useful idiots who simply don't know the difference.

    Party here is irrelevant.

    I bring you The Trebor Party!! And NO - I will not stand for elected office... there are better and more suited people around - I am best as an advisor...
    Mad as Hell
    27th Aug 2018
    12:45pm
    What do you think of last week’s drama?
    Pathetic.

    Has it changed your mind about your preferred party?
    No.

    Are you looking forward to the next election?
    Yes. So I can put LNP and Greens last.
    Kathleen
    27th Aug 2018
    9:39pm
    The Greens were not part of the week’s fiasco!
    Mad as Hell
    28th Aug 2018
    8:13am
    They voted with the LNP to pass the 2017 Assets Test changes. 330,000 pensioners lost all or part of their pensions. These were stolen entitlements. Never will I vote LNP or Greens in any election be it Federal, State or Local.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:07pm
    I agree, Mad as Hell, but Labor is going to finish the demolition job on those 330,000 - taking away up to 1/3rd of their tiny independent income. Who the hell DO we vote for?
    Mad as Hell
    29th Aug 2018
    7:04am
    Yes OGR, thought Labor was the best of a bad bunch but I’m having serious doubts.
    The Sheriff
    27th Aug 2018
    1:03pm
    Although I would have preferred Peter Dutton for his stance on immigration, in retrospect, this is a good result as chaos and division in the Liberal Party would have continued unabated had the weak, vacillating, foppish, former PM continued at the helm. Scott Morrison's primary task is to prevent an early election by keeping Malcolm in Parliament. I suggest that by offering Malcolm future ambassadorship to the Court of St James would do the trick. Scott Morrison is an affable optimist and with a compliant back bench and sound policies he has a reasonable chance of turning the ship around as Bill Shorten is still anathema to many voters.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    1:27pm
    So you think a deceitful liar with an agressive nature and born to rule attitude is a good choice? Really.
    Shorten may not be the sharpest tool in the shed and voters may not warm to him but it is highly unlikely Shorten will be a rich man's prostitute. I would welcome blind Freddy if it were in the nation's interest.
    Rosret
    27th Aug 2018
    2:03pm
    So you would like a police state?
    You do realise what his outcome would have been if Australia actually was a police state nation.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    6:35pm
    Is that a compliant back bench or a pliant back for kow-towing to international interests?
    Kathleen
    27th Aug 2018
    9:45pm
    I know a whole family of liberal voters who will now vote labor. People are disgusted at the ruthlessness and back stabbing. Abbott is said to be aligning with Pauline Hanson.
    He is not finished trying to destroy his party because they are not far right enough for him.
    Vicious barely describes the behaviour of some of the Libs.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    9:56pm
    The Party trolls always tell us that 'the liberal party does not cannibalise itself'. What can I say.
    KSS
    28th Aug 2018
    5:47am
    No Mick, Mr Shorten is the Union's whore instead!
    MICK
    28th Aug 2018
    9:38am
    our hatred of unions belies the fact that without unions you have slavery. Have a look at the hospitality industry and what has/is being done to those with 4 hour jobs.
    If Shorten is a whore to unions then Abbott and Turnbull were the Hitlers of a party intending to subjugate the population.
    The problem with those on the right is the same as conservative MPs. They all have no humanity and have joined a team intent on creating slavery. Go look in the mirror KSS.
    jennyc355
    27th Aug 2018
    1:39pm
    I think things are only going to get worse for anyone over 60 including pensioners...seems as though the government is out of touch with this age group . Placing further pressure on living costs and employment til your 70 has casued a lot of hurt and this will show at election time I think .All the infighting does is prove that they are there for themselves not for the people.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    1:41pm
    Out of touch or an easy mark and out to get? Remember Labor never did to you what this lot have done in the past 6 years.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:20pm
    No, Mick, but they didn't promise to reverse it either, and now they are threatening to wipe out the lifestyles of hundreds of thousands who worked their guts out to secure a moderately comfortable retirement WITHOUT relying on the public purse.
    old frt
    27th Aug 2018
    1:42pm
    How much renewable energy does it take to produce a billet of steel ?
    Answer , nobody knows because they have not been able to do it.
    Get ready to turn your air con off in the future Mick, or maybe not be able to turn it on at all.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:10pm
    I already run my aircon on solar production. Just switched my hot water booster to same. When batteries come I'll be gone whilst you continue to be a slave to coal.
    The short answer to your challenge is that coking coal will have a future for some time to come but the planet will have no choice other than go renewables if we wish to survive a planetary population which is already unsustainable and the third word moving into the first world.
    The problem with those who think like you OF is that you think about 'you' and the 'now'. How many year on year 'hottest ever' years do we need to convince people like you.
    The thing which I see about old people is that many of them hold the same views they did half a century ago and ignore any evidence which goes against their beliefs. Thank God for the new generation.........ahhhh did I actually say that.
    Circum
    27th Aug 2018
    4:26pm
    Interesting to hear about the planetary population surviving the future by suffering 'now' in not being able to afford planetary saving renewables.You remind me of the cartoon of a person holding up a sign saying 'The end is nigh'Emotional paranoia.Ever thought that nature will end life on earth as a result of erosion caused by waves until only grains of sand are left underwater.Man has no control over this so take a chill pill and stop scaring people
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    4:38pm
    I answered your misleading post above. More of the same I see.
    Instead of posting coal BS and trying to trivialise facts you might want to address the reality of increasing population, industrialisation and energy derived from combustion which the planet is unable to absorb.
    Your post is the normal coal industry propaganda. No fact. All nonsense to deceive those who cannot see through it.
    Circum
    27th Aug 2018
    5:17pm
    Bangs head on table.Your mind is blocked to absorb logic Mick..Thats sad.It appears that you are convinced you are right and anyone who has a different view are wrong.Maybe you should consider a career as a politician.Have a nice day
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    9:59pm
    By all means have a view but do not tell porkies. Stay on the facts and we'll do fine. Misrepresent the truth and we won't. Basic dear boy.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    5:28pm
    old frt, why don't large factories, shopping centres, Council Chambers & other large buildings invest in rooftop solar, to reduce their energy bills? Is it because they aren't prepared to invest in something where their excess power is sold back to the grid, at a fraction of the price they have to buy it back from the grid, like at night or when it's raining?

    I'm like Mick - I've invested in solar. My summer quarterly bill was $51, that's with the fans & aircon switched on whenever I needed it.

    Meanwhile, the power companies are laughing all the way to the bank, making a 300% pure profit from MY investment.
    Rosret
    27th Aug 2018
    1:58pm
    I think we need a new party.
    Let's take the cream of the Liberal party the choice fruit of the Labor party and make pavlova.
    I am so tired of the minority Greens and One Nation holding the country to ransom. Let's put our "out there" party members out to pasture and form a solid new party to actually forge a "new generation" of political party.
    Its time to unite and squash right wing fascism and green "jobless" philosophies.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:36pm
    I little Utopian to actually believe there is cream in LNP or Labor at the moment... but your idea has merit. Hawke's Government of National Reconciliation instead of a Government Of Wrecking a Silly Nation (Kevin Bloody Wilson)....
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    10:05am
    Let's abolish parties altogether. Ban them. Allow ONLY independents to stand. Let the people elect the PM directly. Limit political terms to six years and abolish all retirement benefits. Ban all political donations. If we did that, we might have a hope of restoring the ''lucky'' country.
    Hoohoo
    28th Aug 2018
    3:22pm
    OnlyGenuineRainey, that sounds great in theory but I think it could end disasterously, with someone who is a master of propaganda & who manipulates the media, like Trump (or Hitler).

    I like your idea though.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:18pm
    HooHoo, with a House and Senate full of independents, and a maximum 6 year term, the PM couldn't do too much harm. With maximum 6 year term and no retirement benefits, we'd be far more likely to get people who genuinely want to do some good for the nation.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    5:37pm
    Yes, OGR, I do agree with the concept, but how could you stop Independents who are secretly backed by political or corporate interests? They stack their own Party Memberships now, so why would they want to stop their influencing?

    There's a whole political class out there who have supped on Party politics for generations - they would never let Independents run the show. If you were a successful Independent who didn't behave as this class would prefer, you might end up needing bodyguards night & day.
    Troubadour
    27th Aug 2018
    2:02pm
    Don't look forward to any Election - not much faith in most Politicians,but sad to see Julie Bishop decide to resign from her Foreign Ministry Port folio
    best one we have had for some time and had dignity, charm and a good knowledge of her job - could speak easily with all she came in contact with.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:37pm
    Wonder what nice little earner she'll be slotted into? Ambassador to France or something sweet? Or some nice little commission or QANGO board position?
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:47pm
    The wine in France is crap TREBOR but maybe the champagne is ok.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    6:40pm
    Le vin en la belle France 'as gone to les chiens? MERDE! I don't drink wine. Just looking for a nice posting for Julie to pick up as a retainer and a retirement imputation package. Obviously she couldn't just go back to work or retire on her heaps already.... needs more sustenance for life.

    It's the Party Way. Too big a kick to suddenly drop off the $2.5 million p.a. job package you've driven into the ground for years....
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    2:09pm
    Scott Morrison is a man unencumbered by charisma, knowledge, empathy, or principles.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:49pm
    All I have ever seen is a lying cuss who has the hide to call himself a Christian when he does his Joseph Goebbels imitation in front of the cameras as he acts extremely aggressively towards the interviewer.
    The 'church' which harbors this man needs to close its doors.
    TREBOR
    27th Aug 2018
    6:43pm
    Yes - very fundamentalist - they believe that God rewards the faithful with these jobs etc, and those without the free ride are Satan's spawn.

    I doubt ScoMo is on the side of the angels, and if there is a god, she's probably wondering why these preachers keep spouting distorted versions of truth ....
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    10:00pm
    I find it abhorrent seeing Morrison claim to be christian when he oozes everything which is not christian.
    Hoohoo
    28th Aug 2018
    3:26pm
    But TREBOR, he has such a winning smirk!
    GeorgeG
    27th Aug 2018
    2:40pm
    Have people forgotten that Morrison was the architect of the harsher pension assets test after his opportunistic alliance with the Greens?
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    2:50pm
    Won't ever hear that from our big media outlets. They're already grooming him for the next election.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:15pm
    Correct, GeorgeG. And never forget that Shorten is planning to finish the demolition job and ensure that the victims of Morrison's treachery are totally stuffed.
    justme
    27th Aug 2018
    3:56pm
    No
    How anyone could vote for the man, who as Treasurer, ruined the retirement plans of many average working Aussies with his imposition of limitations and restrictions on pensioners being able to enjoy their retirement as they may have planned.

    And I don't believe the other mob will improve/restore things.

    Time to annoy both as much as they annoy me; who they put last on their HTV cards.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    4:41pm
    Correct.
    A friend of mine who is an American citizen wrote today that he will be forced to take the pension shortly having reached 70.25 years of age. He does not even want the pension but no choice. Compare that to the thieving government still in power which ripped any hope of even a part pension from retirees in this country and our debt is nowhere near that of the US.
    We all need to remember WHO did this to us.
    Circum
    27th Aug 2018
    5:04pm
    Agree Justme,neither will improve/restore things.Can picture Shorten rubbing his hands and thinking...we keep the money and Morrison gets the blame yayyyyyy.
    Rosret
    27th Aug 2018
    7:07pm
    OAP decisions are bipartisan. No point in thinking a change of government would improve pensioner conditions.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    10:13pm
    Circum - the coalition is the master of the blame game and demonises Labor continually. Strange to see you turn about and now try to blame Labor for what you do.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    9:53am
    Labor is planning to make things much worse for retirees. Not enough to deprive those who saved for retirement of any pension. No. Now they want to steal 1/3rd of their income as well. Desperate to drive all retirees into hardship, apparently.

    I hate the LNP, but Shorten's stupidity means there's no way I could consider voting Labor. Where does that leave me?
    MICK
    28th Aug 2018
    8:38pm
    Self interest OGR.
    I'd be surprised if Shorten did not modify his policy and cap imputation credits.
    When you think about it nowhere else on the planet or in our economy is tax paid refunded by the next consumer in the chain. If you are tied to imputation credits then you have broken the prime rule of investment: don't put all your eggs in one basket.

    So what you gonna do? Vote for the crooked low life rabble who currently are destroying our country? That is as bas as what this lot are doing to the country.
    OlderandWiser
    29th Aug 2018
    6:08am
    Wrong Mick. PAYG tax is refunded if it is taken in excess of what the worker legitimately owes. Imputation credits are no different. And what the hell else does the retiree do to try to survive when they can't get a pension? Interest rates are at rock bottom. Should we invest in housing and make the housing crisis worse? Or maybe invest off-shore and boost foreign businesses? It's not a case of putting all the eggs in one basket. It's a simple case of doing what almost every financial adviser in the nation - and all the institutional super funds - are doing. And what Shorten is doing is not just disgraceful, it's economically STUPID. It's going to push hundreds of thousands more onto the pension and create a massive incentive for people to REDUCE saving for retirement and be more dependant on the taxpayer.

    No, I'm not going to vote for the LNP. But Shorten and his mob are equally inept and dishonest. My point was that we have no valid choice.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    6:02pm
    OGR, I pay PAYG tax quarterly. It is quite different to imputation credits because the amount of PAYG is due according to how much tax was paid the previous financial year. A refund is due (only after you've overpaid it for 12 months & submitted your next financial year's books to the ATO). It's almost identical to the old "Provisional Tax". But it is tax that I have overpaid, so it's due to me.The ATO required ME to overpay it, not some other company or business.

    I guess you are a self-funded Carer, OGR, but if I were like you I'd put investment into a Superannuation Industry fund. You can draw back on it once you are 60 years old (I think - not sure). Do it before the next election, methinks. Hope this is helpful.
    Hoohoo
    30th Aug 2018
    6:09pm
    That said, governments shouldn't be allowed to change the goalposts for retirees, who have often paid a lot of money to get good, correct advice, & have planned & invested their whole futures into certain directions.
    OlderandWiser
    1st Sep 2018
    11:00pm
    HooHoo, I'm way past 60 and its far too late for me to change retirement plans that relied on franking credits and a part pension. My financial adviser says my choices now are to divorce my partner and give my partner the house (then we both get pensions!), or upsize my house to one worth twice as much (and get a part pension), or take a few expensive world cruises (and get a pension) OR live on my savings until they are about halved and get a pension - which effectively transfers the entire benefit of my hard work and frugal living to the taxpayer and denies me any benefit.

    If franking credits are abolished, my savings disappear much faster and I get a pension sooner, costing the taxpayer more. The government saves nothing. But even under today's rules, I get NOTHING for all the hard work and saving, which creates a huge incentive for people to reduce saving for retirement and rely more heavily on the taxpayer. Dumb economic policy!

    As for the comparison, perhaps I should have said PAYE tax - which is paid by the employer, deducted from the employee's pay before it's received, then refunded if the employee evidences their income was not high enough to justify that rate of tax. EXACTLY the same as franking credits. Tax is taken from earnings before the dividend is paid and refunded if the recipient evidences they were taxed too much.

    Currently, I am still working (despite my advanced age), in the hope that I can accrue enough savings to last me for the rest of my life regardless of cruel and unfair government policies. But I strongly object to the claims by either grossly inept or grossly dishonest politicians that their policies are helping the budget. They are doing exactly the opposite. They are creating future generations of pensioners who COULD have been self-funded if only the punishment for being an SFR were not so harsh.
    kinkakuji
    27th Aug 2018
    4:30pm
    Payne and Pyne still in powerful cabinet positions. What is Morrison doing ?
    I gave Morrison the benefit of the doubt but after his new cabinet I'm back to where I was before the coup. His contempt for the army is enough for me. To give the Defence force Christopher Pyne after 3 shocking Marise Payne years is simply unforgivable. A PM who doesn't understand how important the moral of our soldiers is doesn't deserve to be PM. I remain where I am: a delcon! No vote for this mob.He has not placated the base at all. What type of special madness is this, to poke a stick in the eye of your potential strongest supporters? The polls will improve slightly but he will not win the election without committed supporters and he has just enraged a large percentage of those who will not return to the party until he fixes this.
    MICK
    27th Aug 2018
    4:45pm
    Voters should never act on polls but make a call based on what the main media rarely give you: THE COLD HARD HONEST FACTS. That is the only way to vote for any government lest one becomes a lemming which does as it is told rather than what is right.
    And you wonder why we have had the worst government in history and some Australians will still vote for it again? Whoever wrote 'a population deserves the government it gets' had an understanding of the human race.
    TREBOR
    28th Aug 2018
    1:12am
    Leys is making a comeback - apparently the "I was just getting into a unit on the Gold coast that dropped into my pocket while I was on government business' has been forgotten.

    Be able to fly off and be accommodated for some mate's next NYE party.... free ....

    Read it and weep - forty four 'ministers' out of seventy six seats.... why not just make them all ministers? How many 'ministers' does it take to run one portfolio - we've got three, maybe four,handling financial things.... what does the Treasurer do for his big bucks? Sit around and play Monopoly all day and night?

    Then consider the overpaid 'shadow ministers' on the other side as well....
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    9:49am
    And who would you suggest we vote for instead, Mick? That's the problem. THERE AIN'T ANY DECENT CHOICES. I can't vote for Shorten to totally demolish the lives of hundreds of thousands of retirees as punishment for the terrible crime of planning and saving to not be a burden on the tax payer in old age - ESPECIALLY when he's making concessions to people with far fatter income packets (and possibly multi-million dollar mansions as well) for no better reason than that they manipulated to get a part pension. And his illogical BS ''reasoning'' evidences that he is totally brainless and can't comprehend simple common sense logic.

    Greens? OMG! There was a time when I thought there was SOME merit in their ideas, but they have totally lost the plot. If they had their way, we'd have universal poverty.

    So who are we left with? Thus far no independents running in my electorate. Nor any other minor parties. But in any case, there are so many minors with such minimal following that none are likely to be able to do any good.

    Until we abolish political parties completely, set a maximum 6 year term for politicians, and let the people elect the PM directly, this country is STUFFED.

    As for Morrison.... well if what I read about the history of the ''church'' he belongs to is true, we are in BIG trouble. What is very certain is that nothing he does reflects any 'Christian' beliefs.
    Abe
    28th Aug 2018
    6:05pm
    Why do you think we'll be in big trouble because he belongs to a church?
    This country is not "stuffed" it has a great future.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:14pm
    Micha, you would have to be blind as a bat to think that! And it's not that he belongs to ''a church'', it's the church he belongs to. Go do some research.
    Abe
    28th Aug 2018
    7:17pm
    Rainey, to begin with bats are not blind!! I did as you suggested and did some research. They seem a happy lot at that church.What's wrong with that?Would you prefer Morrison belonged to a coven?

    At least we agree on one thing, Shorten will be tough on retirees
    OlderandWiser
    29th Aug 2018
    10:19pm
    Your research wasn't thorough enough, Micha
    Adrianus
    1st Sep 2018
    8:43am
    Rainey, are there any other religious organisations you have a problem with?
    OlderandWiser
    1st Sep 2018
    10:45pm
    Yes, Adrianus. There are some we should all be concerned about. But my main concern is that Morrison is a total hypocrite. He does not behave in a Christian manner at all.
    kinkakuji
    27th Aug 2018
    5:21pm
    In some (not all but a small percentage of 3rd world countries ) did you know the poor, old and sick cannot afford electricity...true...some dont even have a manufacturing base and don't even manufacture even one car a year..We used to be a first world country, now our living standards have plummeted due to outrageously high electricity prices.Elderly pensioners and the poor are doing it tough, especially on freezing cold days such as today in NSW.Then, in summer they swelter.How any PM can do this to his most vulnerable fellow Australians by applying greens policies is beyond me.The elderly and poor never had to live like this since the advent of electricity in the last century..From the Lucky country to a third world country and we keep voting for the same mob while some are trying to give us the right to challenge the mob with the citizens initiated referendum
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    10:51am
    Privatising power companies is the main reason OAPensioners & people who rent have such high power bills.

    Blame both major parties for forcing the States to privatise power. The current government threatened to withhold GST revenue to the States, unless they complied.

    The working classes are suffering stagnant & negative wages (for those who lost their Sunday penalty rates in July), while the rich & powerful bleed the workers for ever increasing profits. There's something fundamentally wrong happening here.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    12:15pm
    I just found this 5 page pdf online kinkakuji:
    https://www.volunteeringaustralia.org/wp-content/uploads/Volunteering-Australia-changes-to-participation-requirements.pdf

    It says (in part) after 20/9/18 over 60's will be required to volunteer 10 hours per fortnight for 6 months of the year. 55-59 will need to do 30 hours p.f., of which 15 hours must be paid work. This only applies for 12 months. There are a whole lot of other conditions which vary according to your age.

    For Newstart, you can receive payment by undertaking the usual Job Search requirements, in lieu of volunteering or working.

    These changes seem to reflect my earlier observation that too many people were seeking too many hours as volunteers.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    12:17pm
    OOps, I meant to reply this to Trevine (below)
    rtrish
    27th Aug 2018
    5:38pm
    Ithink Julie Bishop was hard-done by. Apparently no way the Libs would vote for a woman leader.
    TREBOR
    28th Aug 2018
    1:14am
    I feel you are backing the wrong horse this time..... nobody gives a hoot....
    Hoohoo
    7th Sep 2018
    1:42pm
    Today we learn of the standover tactics used to bully Lib Members to sign up to vote for Dutton in the second 'spill'. They entered offices uninvited & refused to leave until they got what they wanted. Then The Members were forcedto show who they voted for by showing their so-called "secret ballot".
    I even heard one bully complain that Turnbull had caused their bullying, by insisting on seeing the 43 names on the petition so the PM would then call another spill.
    What a bunch of thugs! This behaviour is unbearable in a democracy. It's what you might expect in Russia or the Philippines - not a country like Australia. I believe Trump has lowered all standards of behaviour in the West.
    Kali-G
    27th Aug 2018
    6:30pm
    Let's be honest...Turnboll was too far left wing and has forced on us the Same sex marriage fiasco, over 75000 muslims...and the list goes on. Australia under Turnboll was heading towards Socialism...And Bishop last moths gave 10 Million to Palestinian terrorist instead helping our farmers...........and now it is time to turn to the RIGHT!
    TREBOR
    28th Aug 2018
    1:18am
    Jawohl, Mein Fuhrer... der Nacht-und-Nebel-Erlass vill begin and der first trains to der Ostland vill be under vay by 10 am!
    KSS
    28th Aug 2018
    5:55am
    Get over yourself TREBOR. Your constant invocation of Natziism is dispicable.
    MICK
    28th Aug 2018
    9:43am
    You miss the point of what TREBOR is alluding to. When rich men destroy unions the next step is to enslave workers. That has already begun under the current government. After that you control the media. That is also well under way. Then you stop citizens having free speech. Turnbull had a bill for that under the guise of 'harming the nation', which included speaking out against multinationals and government. Then you become a police state like the Third Reich.
    You need to take the silver spoon out of you mouth KSS and look at the progressive move towards slavery and entrapment. TREBOR is indeed on the money.
    ex PS
    28th Aug 2018
    5:23pm
    How quaint, Kali-G thinks that the leader of the Liberal Party is one politician. The real decision makers were not even elected.
    Think about it, why would a politician think it is necessary to take away the rights of workers to bargain for rights and pay in a free workforce?
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    9:40am
    I think I'd prefer Trump! Seriously though, Australia needs to abolish political parties completely. We need a system of electing independents, everyone voting for the PM - who remains PM until the next election; and a total ban on all political donations. And a six year maximum term for all politicians with NO retirement benefits. Let's get people in there who WANT TO SERVE THE NATION, rather than people pursuing a lucrative career that sets them up financially for life. Oh, and let's not forget to implement COMPULSORY JAIL TERMS for any breach of trust - including lying to get elected, rorting expense allowances, or implementing policies to benefit themselves, family or friends.
    Fair Dinkum
    28th Aug 2018
    12:44pm
    Libs are in a mess but what ever we do dont vote shorten in he will completly stuff this county he will put us self funded retiries on the pension because he is going to remove the franking credits on the small share. Investmens we have that gives us a little bit more income than the pension the labor goverment in the act has financially crippled the low income and pensioners so if shorten gets in the whole country will be crippled
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    6:12pm
    Yes, Fair Dinkum. Sadly, too many pensioners are too blinded by envy and hatred to recognize that stripping SFRs of their income and forcing them to shed their assets so they can get the pension is going to hurt the entire nation. It's just plain STUPID! The only statement you made that isn't correct is "Investments we have that gives us a little bit more income than the pension''. Vast numbers of those Shorten wants to attack already have incomes well below the pension. They are either living very frugally, or eroding their savings. When they find their income cut by 30% or more, they will have to very quickly eat up their savings to get on the pension. But even then, that mongrel Shorten won't let them have franking credits. No, only those who were on the pension when he made his announcement will get their credits - and of course the RICH who earn enough to pay tax!
    And this a-hole claims he's a man for the working class! Clearly NOT for anyone who works, saves, and plans responsibly for their old age.
    KB
    28th Aug 2018
    12:45pm
    SCW II would prefer Labor in but as I stands the Liberals are in Both parties always fear losing an election so out goes the incumbent one in order preserve seats, It is time parties stopped changing leaders close to election time. Australia needs political stability, Malcom Turnbull was a reasonable leader . Should be Julie Bishop next prime minister of Australia he is diplomat
    Kathleen
    1st Sep 2018
    6:10pm
    They back stabbed Julie Bishop. LNP have gone too far with their viciousness. It is still in trouble with some causing conflict which won’t stop. Abbott, Zed, etc trouble makers and too far right. Strange how one party has such diversity from moderate to extremism.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    11:05am
    "A broad church" claimed Howard, Kathleen.
    With normal people like Turnbull & Bishop on one side & a pack of right wing fascists on the other. They really should let the far right go to Cory Bernadi's, Pauline Hanson & Bob Katter's Parties - for that's where they really belong. Trouble is that they are so vicious & egotistical, they'd ALL want to be the leader of the new Party. Imagine that sword fight! (with Tony at the front in his reptile suit of armour).

    The far right wingers are concerned the LNP are bleeding votes to the right, but they should be equally concerned they are bleeding moderate LNP voters, too.
    GrayComputing
    28th Aug 2018
    1:06pm
    Our New PM does everything opposite to what his (alleged) Christian beliefs tell him to do.
    Following the examples of Jesus is not what he does in his politics.
    He is not meek and unkind to the poor, sick and refugees.
    The P.M is also overly fond of the money changers (banks) instead of thrashing them like Jesus did at the temple gate.
    If he arrives at the heaven of his belief he surely will be cast into hell.
    OlderandWiser
    28th Aug 2018
    5:59pm
    Very true, GrayComputing. But check out the church he belongs to. It's a mega-million business, and according to rumour, the founder was a very shabby character.
    Trevine
    28th Aug 2018
    2:08pm
    This is not related to this topic. I would like to know if the government has changed the working hours with new start
    for over 60’s from 15 hrs to 5 hrs
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    11:21am
    I didn't hear anything about that, Trevine. The Govt has bigger fish to fry at the moment, I suppose.

    As an avid op shopper in a country town, I note many new faces appearing behind the counter. Most seem to be people over 55 & I presume they are on Newstart doing their required 15 hours of volunteering (in lieu of paid work, as there are no paid jobs for them here). The op shops can barely cope with the numbers of volunteers, which will only increase as late baby boomers numbers increase. So the Govt might have to change it to 5 hours?

    If I had 3 weeks to spare I'd ring Centrelink & ask them myself.
    ex PS
    28th Aug 2018
    5:16pm
    Just a bunch of greedy self entitled children so intent on having the biggest slice of the cake that they don't realize that they have stepped on it and ruined it for everybody.
    The Labor Party didn't have to do anything on this one, they did it all themselves.
    inextratime
    31st Aug 2018
    2:33pm
    Mick - Here's the drum. Your views and comments are too extreme to be taken seriously.

    You accuse many of being Liberal trolls ignoring the fact they your extreme left wing view of the world is so biased as to be boring.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2018
    11:54am
    I seriously think that MICK has a screw loose, I just feel so so sorry for his wife, she ought to get a Victoria Cross. He must be distraught that there is no Malcolm Turnbull as PM to vent his spleen on, such a shame really, ah well it takes all sorts.

    He will probably throw his toys out the pram now and report me to the powers that be.
    disillusioned
    1st Sep 2018
    7:35am
    Just there to feather their own nests and those of their family and mates, while doing a "slash and burn" with older Australians. Cannot stomach this current LNP mob, with their ingratiating smiles and irritating smarm, when they come on TV to spruik their crappy policies, I mute and read a book! I will NEVER vote LNP again! Not that they care, they've gone off to enjoy their pensions, lurks and perks, while us oldies have to scrimp and save to pay for even the basics like electricity! Thank God for global warming! (if it exists!) At least we won't freeze to death!!
    Adrianus
    1st Sep 2018
    8:38am
    You sure did choose a good name.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Sep 2018
    12:23pm
    Or in summer, fry to death, disillusioned.
    At least if you're cold you can run around & warm up. If you're too hot your brain will simply cook. Maybe that's what has already happened to the brains of climate deniers?


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