Planes cargo hold could soon be a windowless cabin

Cargo holds on aircrafts could no longer only be for bags…

Planes cargo hold could soon be a windowless cabin

In the latest airline seating plans scary enough to give you nightmares, passengers could be travelling down with their bags in the cargo hold.

Designed with the aim of fitting more passengers on a plane, the proposal sees a section of an aeroplane’s cargo hold turned into a windowless cabin for economy class passengers.

Revealed as part of a patent application by Zodiac Aerospace the “Lower Deck Cabin Experience” would be suitable for larger aircraft such as Boeing 777 and 787 Dreamliner as well as the Airbus A350.

While the two lower deck cabins would not have windows, the design features screens along the length of the cabin which show what’s happening outside the plane.

With similarities to the windowless plane proposal submitted by the Centre for Process Innovation late last year, this class of seating would certainly not be for the claustrophobic or those with a fear of flying.

What do you think of this proposal? Would you consider travelling in a converted cargo hold if it made flying cheaper?

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    20th Jan 2016
    9:57am
    In the service I traveled in a C-46 and that was no big deal and had more room than an economy seat on a commercial aircraft, but it was a bit noisier.
    Culgoa
    20th Jan 2016
    10:08am
    Just more ways to carry self-loading cargo
    bob
    20th Jan 2016
    10:20am
    if it got me more legroom who cares.Unless you have a window seat you see didley squat now
    MICK
    20th Jan 2016
    10:36am
    Fly Qantas bob (A380). No problems there. Avoid the Virgin Boeing-777 where you are cramped in so that Virgin can cram more people onto the plane.....and then only fly at two thirds capacity. Go figure.
    Sen.Cit.90
    20th Jan 2016
    10:48am
    I agree with you Bob,
    I''m an oldie living in Qld with family in WA.
    Leg room has always been my 'bugbear' causing me to consider whether to visit or not. If the seating had more leg room I would visit him often. Cheaper travel would be another incentive.
    When I do travel by air (infrequently) I always ask for a seat on the aisle .
    fish head
    20th Jan 2016
    3:32pm
    When you have a window seat you often see diddly squat too.
    MICK
    20th Jan 2016
    10:35am
    Give me a seat on the wing any day.
    rtrish
    20th Jan 2016
    10:53am
    Aaaargh! Not for me.
    fearlessfly
    20th Jan 2016
    11:15am
    For Christ's sake ! When will these sodding airlines stop trying to hammer their bread and butter customers into the dirt ! Sometimes I feel like getting hold of these numbskull bastards that work for "think tanks" and torture the hell out of them !
    FrankC
    20th Jan 2016
    11:16am
    I presume the price would drop dramatically for those seats!!!
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    11:32am
    Sarah & Co could fit a lot of their 5th Column in there !
    Drewbie
    20th Jan 2016
    11:37am
    Perhaps subscribers to this website haven't really considered the decibel level, "noise volume" applicable to aircraft cargo holds. Excessive noise levels over time cause hearing loss. Aircraft manufacturers don't install noise mitigation, (read appropriate dampening insulation) covering on the cargo area walls of the plane. If they did, a significantly costlier aircraft for airlines to purchase off the showroom floor.

    Were this concept to eventuate, the end user, "the general flying public" would be left carrying the "excess luggage" & be penalised in the hip pocket, AGAIN!! I do agree with Fast Eddie regarding C-46 (better known as Hercules aircraft) that it's no big deal.
    Haven't flown in one, but I've ambled & gawked through several at air shows over the years & the spartan seating arrangement makes economy standards palatial. Admittedly, defence cargo carrier aircraft aren't "prettied up" for comfort & noise suppression; why do you think defence personnel there-in always wear appropriate hearing protection. it just means less floorspace available.

    I immensely doubt Airlines would go, "the extra mile or two" (i.e. pay for) to ensure seating adjacent to cargo is at the exact same standards as economy class. Safety is also a big issue here. Does anyone ever realise "how much" cargo pods shift during turbulence? I personally would definitely not risk it.

    I've said enough me-thinks;

    Cheers everyone.
    Polly Esther
    20th Jan 2016
    11:43am
    I find it hard to believe, still about 10 weeks to April 1, sounds like mushroom food.
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    12:32pm
    I popped down and got an Easter Egg on New Years Day !! :-)
    Blossom
    20th Jan 2016
    1:35pm
    particolor.I presume you are serious about your comment.
    We had Hot Cross Buns in some of the supermarkets in Adelaide just before Christmas. I saw them; also many people rang talk back radio and commented that they had seen them too.
    KSS
    20th Jan 2016
    1:39pm
    Blossom we had them from Boxing Day too!
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    1:41pm
    I saw them at the end of October !! but never said that on fear of being told I handle the Truth Carelessly !! :-) I resisted the temptation until I could take it no longer ! :-)
    fish head
    20th Jan 2016
    3:37pm
    Chocolate foiled Bunnies in Coles this week. Hot Cross buns appear to have become all year round fodder. You'd think they could produce them without the cross.
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    3:47pm
    And they are Halal ?? :-) :-) :-) :-)
    Pass the Ductape
    21st Jan 2016
    3:05am
    They probably are halal particolor being that the all the flour milled in Australia is.
    Acire
    20th Jan 2016
    12:33pm
    Great idea for travellers with pet .
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    12:37pm
    Barnaby loves Your suggestion ! Hell pass it along to Johnny !! :-) :-)
    Blossom
    20th Jan 2016
    1:40pm
    Acire, you have a very valid comment. Their travel "containers" could be anchored to the floorspace either next to you are nearby. They might not panic as much then.
    However what about emergency exits? I would think they should be compulsory? I don't think they have thought about that
    Hairy
    20th Jan 2016
    1:25pm
    Cheap seat no problem brissy to cairns a few times in a herc.need ear protection saves you talking to the grumpy b next to you
    particolor
    20th Jan 2016
    1:51pm
    I haven't flown since they sat Me next to a Fairy ! NO !! Not one of them ! A Real Fairy Tutu and Wand !! :-)
    KSS
    20th Jan 2016
    1:50pm
    SO if this goes ahead, will seat prices come down (I assume you WILL get a seat not just a space on the floor or a cage like the pets), checked baggage allowance go down (no space for multiple bags per person), in-cabin allowance withdrawn (no weight or space capacity left) and excess baggage disallowed under all circumstances?

    Cattle-class will become the reality not a euphemism.

    I like the idea of putting families with kids down there though!
    bebby
    20th Jan 2016
    2:52pm
    I don't think it can be much worse than an inside cabin on a cruise liner. Speaking from experience, still fortunate to be able to afford that. As for Hot Cross Buns, just ignore the pastry cross on tops and enjoy, they really are yummy all year.
    Chris B T
    20th Jan 2016
    9:44pm
    Checkin at cargo terminal, placement in bin, no cabin crew, bring your own food/drink/no toilet/comfort stops.
    To early for April Fools joke.
    Cargo can make more money than passengers, so why would a airline consider this option.
    Pass the Ductape
    21st Jan 2016
    3:03am
    Earphones and a big TV screen and I'm good to go!
    Flindersbar
    21st Jan 2016
    7:41am
    Just like steerage back in the day.
    Couldabeen
    22nd Jan 2016
    6:06pm
    Just to catch up, as less than 25% of the passengers in a typical flight actually are seated next to a window, the majority of travelers won't notice. As is said in the article, there would be active vision screens along both sides giving the impression of a real time window (as is being done on some cruise ships now in the internal cabins). Noise and temperature insulation will be comparable with up stairs in the normal cabin and I see more and more carriers will be moving to active noise cancellation that would make these areas quieter than existing cabins. As far as emergency exits go, part of the certification requirements include being able to evacuate all people, passengers and crew, from the aircraft within a stipulated minimum time. This would apply to any additional passenger areas.
    With "cut throat" fare competition, many airlines relied on freight to be profitable, but if they can carry more self loading cargo, fares may well come down even further.
    By the way, Drewbie, a Hercules is a C130, the C46 is the Curtis Commando and significantly different. I doubt if you've ever seen a C46 at an Australian airshow. At least not in the last 40 years.


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