Government move to strip Age Pension supplements

‘To cut people off completely just doesn't pass the pub test for fairness,’ says advocate.

Government move to strip Age Pension supplements

The government has put forward a bill which, if passed, would see the pension supplement stripped from people travelling overseas for more than six weeks.

If passed, the new rule would save the government $154.4 million over the forward estimates.

Single pensioners stand to lose at least $37 a fortnight or up to $68.90. Couples could lose between $55.80 or $103.80 combined.

As the current rule stands, the supplement is still paid for the first six weeks of a temporary absence overseas. After six weeks, it is reduced to a basic rate.

However, if this rule is made legislation, the basic rate will also stop after six weeks, or immediately upon permanent departure from Australia.

The government justifies the move by claiming that the basic supplement rate is equivalent to the GST component not needed when travelling overseas.

However, peak bodies say the GST issue is not enough to warrant cutting the supplement from travelling pensioners, as phone companies and utility providers still charge for services while people are overseas.

“We are a nation of migrants and many people want to go and visit family and friends overseas before they pass away,” said the spokesperson for the Alliance for a Fairer Retirement System, Ian Henschke.

“To cut people off (the supplement) completely just doesn't pass the pub test for fairness.”

What do you think of this move to strip retirees of pension supplements?

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    mogo51
    21st Oct 2019
    9:52am
    Just another attempt by politicians to flog 5he pensioner at the whipping post. But they keep their stinking noses wedged firmly in the public purse.
    Dave R
    21st Oct 2019
    10:04am
    You got that exactly right. Hopefully the Senate will block this latest attack on elderly Australians from this hard right wing government.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    10:06am
    As Tony Abbott famously said about sheilas on $150k - the mortgage and bills don't stop because you stop work... but that, of course, was about the luxury called PPL. By contrast, these do appear to stop when anyone on Social security either stops work or has the temerity to travel for a bit of luxury in their reclining years.

    So tell me - which power company does NOT continue to charge you, even if they have it temporarily turned off while you're gone? Which gas supplier doesn't continue to charge? Which insurance company stops your car or house payments while you swan on the Riviera or ski St Moritz and Aspen on a daily rotation, with first class flights in between?

    If you live overseas - which part of "I use power,gas, etc' as well while there... doe they NOT understand?

    There was a never a stipulation that money paid had to be spent here in Oz - and it's not as if the costs of living go down while you're taking care of of your 110 yo grandmother in the Scillies....
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    10:00am
    Arrgh, aye - just leave 'em in the dark and cold while we lord it up in Canberra out of every cent they continue to pour into taxes!!

    Been tellin' yez fer ages now - we need to sack the bloody lot and get a new team...
    Ted Wards
    21st Oct 2019
    12:21pm
    Trouble is Trebor they are all as bad as each other, only self interest...but yeah lets get rid of the current mob--they are not doing anything anyway it seems.
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    2:45pm
    But they are not in the cold and dark at all. They are overseas!
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:34pm
    That's to avoid the cold and dark...
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    10:34am
    Ted - when I said 'the bloody lot' - I MEANT the bloody lot... might retain one or two Independents ..
    Sully
    22nd Oct 2019
    2:33pm
    Ted Wards, they are not all as bad as each other, it is exactly that sort of statement that keeps the LNP in Government.
    johninmelb
    23rd Oct 2019
    6:02am
    Yes Trebor, you have been telling us for ages.

    HOWEVER, what you haven't told us is WHAT YOU are doing about it.

    If you put half as much energy into implementing a plan to rid us of the scourge of Scomo, as you do whining about it on YLC, we would have had a change of goverment a long time ago.
    andromeda143
    21st Oct 2019
    10:01am
    This is ridiculous. Last time I and my wife travelled overseas for more than six weeks centrelink reduced us to basic supplement rate, kept paying us our pension but change our classification on the computer to non-pensioners and cancelled our concession cards. Consequently, when the local council checked with Centrelink as to whether we were still concession holders they were told that we were not. The council then cancelled our rates concession eligibility and charged us full rates. We had to jump through hoops to reapply for our rates concession when we returned home. What is more, when I complained to Centrelink they told me that was perfectly legitimate for them to do so.
    Centrelink bureaucracy is out of control and this government is hell bent on cutting as much from pensioners as possible. That is how it funds its surplus!
    Dave R
    21st Oct 2019
    10:08am
    Centrelink is doing exactly what this government is telling them to do. People voted for this unfairness and I hope that next time they will vote against it.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    10:12am
    Everything that Colonel C'Link, under the aegis of Der Reishfuhrer Social Security (SS), does is legitimate - it is Ordnung and there is no appeal, Juden!! Now on der trains... or ve send in der dogs... (the allegory, for those slow, being that everything performed by the Third Reich was 'legal' since their 'house' voted on it - go figure)...

    I wonder if a single one of these parasites we set up so handsomely in Canberra for life, who are run annually on an average of $2.5 million each, wakes up in a cold sweat at 3 am and weeping over the hurts they've caused to so many... and resolves to turn over a new leaf... flees to the church or synagogue and throws him/herself on the floor at the feet of the Christ or whatever, and begs forgiveness for the fearful harms they've done ...

    A question I've been pondering a lot lately:- Why do so many go so far out of their way and work so hard to bring harm to others?

    Bring Back The Rack! ... and show 'em what harm really is... we need to straighten 'em all out!!
    Joy Anne
    21st Oct 2019
    11:43am
    DEFINITELY agree.
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2019
    12:52pm
    Should you leave for more than 6 weeks make sure your council are prepaid if want to avoid what happened to andromeda 143. I pay the council rates yearly and never had a problem. Yes it is quite a lot but if you can travel overseas for 6 plus week you should be able to manage. My card did not work at the chemist's when I returned so I have to make sure that I have some pills in the house after return.
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    2:48pm
    And yet you can afford to go overseas for more than 6 weeks andromeda! If all you have is the pension and the extras that allows then maybe the pension is too generous? You can't have it both ways.
    Triss
    21st Oct 2019
    3:27pm
    Hey, hang on, Trebor, we didn’t set them up handsomely, they set themselves up. A group of corrupt leeches congregated in a back room behind closed doors to see how much they could defraud the taxpayers. Huge lifelong pension after working for eight years in parliament, multi business class holidays.....none of it agreed by taxpayers.
    Hoohoo
    21st Oct 2019
    4:38pm
    KSS I plan to get a passport & go to Europe for the first time when I retire, so it's going to be a one-off trip that will last for more than 6 weeks, I hope. It doesn't mean I'm rich, on the contrary, it's just that I can't afford to stop work now & enjoy overseas travel. The retirees who go overseas regularly on trips for less than 6 weeks at a time are the rich people. You're a bit of an arsehole bully for accusing andromeda143 of somehow rorting the pension.
    Hoohoo
    21st Oct 2019
    4:40pm
    Hahaha TREBOR. Your comment reminds me of that beautiful Michael Leunig cartoon, showing a poor wretched man in rags who has been deliberately wronged by a great injustice, crying to his tormentor: "How do you sleep at night?"
    The reply: "In a bed with luxurious silk sheets, next to a woman so beautiful it would make you weep."
    ex PS
    21st Oct 2019
    6:07pm
    KSS, when did they pass a law that made it mandatory for Pensioners to live in misery? To make the statement that if you can live a full and interesting life, makes me thibk you have been living in a Dickens story all your life and have no grasp of reality.
    Some people are quite good at managing money and have no difficulty managing on the Pension. To say things like " If they can afford to travell, they don't need a Pension reeks of envy..
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    7:22pm
    Your rudeness Hoohoo does not hide the fact that you could easily retire, have your holiday then make your claim for welfare when you return. That way you can do both!
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    7:29pm
    ex PS if you think that you can only live a full and interesting life by having long lasting overseas holidays then you are the sad one with no grasp on reality.

    And quite frankly the number of people on this forum constantly whining about the low level of the pension and demanding more, tells me that if you can afford to go overseas on a holiday when on the age pension, then the supplements are not really required and the suggestion of removing them after 6 weeks for the duration of the holiday is more than fair. You can't have it both ways.
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    12:14am
    Sorry, Triss - I can't keep the sniper scope on everything - that's why politicians have parties and hordes of helpers.... so they can practice their responses in peace when someone challenges them ...

    I forgot that they set it up themselves... we never once voted on it.... but it should be a referendum....

    Hoohoo - Michael Leunig may be a relative... it's a twist on the old Irish family name...
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:15am
    Pensions in this country do not 'live in misery'. What rubbish. Non home owners do it tough I agree, but I can't see how someone who owns their own home lives in misery.
    Oldchick
    21st Oct 2019
    10:07am
    This lot are a pack of morons who can only see ‘gee, we’ve stuffed up the economy, we’ll have to find money from somewhere. Oh yeh, let’s hit the pensioners again’!! They’re greedy, bullying, useless and self-interested. They have no idea what’s happening to REAL people and the struggle they’re having. How much has ScoMo alone spent on overseas travel since the election? Wouldn’t know because they’re putting gag orders on everything!
    Ted Wards
    21st Oct 2019
    12:22pm
    Not to mention the three pay rises he's given himself over the last year!
    Hoohoo
    21st Oct 2019
    4:50pm
    There are only eleven days of Parliament sitting until next year.

    Poor politicians! It's such hard work! Better make sure we get our next scheduled salary rise. Who says there's negative wage growth? That's fake news drummed up by the Unions, Labor & other lefties!

    I wager they'll get nothing done in these next eleven days, except their charade of Dorothy Dicks questions & howling down the opposition. We can only pray that our country can regain freedom of the media & whistle-blowers & the right to know.

    Our government, along with Trump's & Boris's, are looking more & more like fascist states every day.
    Stone the Crows
    21st Oct 2019
    10:16am
    Absolutely disgusting tacit from this inept government .I have yet to hear of any politician give up any of their entitlements .yes their noses are firmly wedged in the public purse .and when they come to pension age they don't have to worry about pension let alone pension supplements .when will people wake up .vote for what is good for everyone ,not what is good for you
    Hoohoo
    21st Oct 2019
    5:01pm
    I'm with you StCrows but when people become frightened of losing anything personally, they jump to the right & vote for the Scomos, Paulines or Palmers. They seem to do it even when they know they will still lose out personally!

    They get sucked into that LNP tosh about being the best economic managers, (by squeezing the little people at the benefit of the well-off. It'll trickle, petal). And now for the first time in a very long time in Australia's federal politics, the LNP have won office when there's not an economic boom going on. They need to invest to save the economy, but it's against their religion to do so. Will they kick an own goal & tackle-crash the economy with their austerity measures?
    Lizzie
    21st Oct 2019
    10:25am
    This already happens to me, as I receive Carer Allowance. Even though the person I care for is travelling with me and I still have to care for him, they cut the allowance off altogether after 6 weeks overseas.
    SuziJ
    21st Oct 2019
    5:18pm
    Yes, they do, but you can re-apply when you arrive home.

    Just think of those of us on DSP. Our payment is cut off after 28 days in a rolling year! And we have to re-apply for the DSP when we arrive home. It's not just like rocking up to the nearest Centrelink office and notifying them you're home, you have to fill out all the forms again and get reassessed!
    jackie
    21st Oct 2019
    10:31am
    mogo51, this is a gradual attempt by this Liberal Government to get rid of all social security despite their trickle down effect not working.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    10:33am
    Whoa, jackie - if it doesn't work first time, hit the 'reload' circle at the top ... hitting the button doesn't do anything but re-post - and the fault is slow internet... can't be helped. Happens to me sometimes and mine is supposed to be fast....
    Triss
    21st Oct 2019
    3:32pm
    The trickle down effect does work, Jackie, we just get all the crap because it goes through their digestive systems first.
    ex PS
    21st Oct 2019
    6:10pm
    Yes we all know what rolls downhill.
    80 plus
    21st Oct 2019
    10:43am
    The tax cuts have to funded from somewhere, when overseas my electrical supplier still charges $1/day supply fee, water supplier still charges for delivery and council rates for sewage and waste collections, If you voted L.N.P. you voted for fiscal management, this is what they meant.
    Alexii
    21st Oct 2019
    2:19pm
    You are right, 80 plus. Can't avoid all those costs.
    Hoohoo
    21st Oct 2019
    5:03pm
    Our government, along with Trump's & Boris's, are looking more & more like fascist states every day.
    Spud
    21st Oct 2019
    10:54am
    Why? Because they can ! It’s all part of the neoliberals dogma “ user pays “ will pensioners rise up? Well on past voting patterns it appears unlikely
    Jacka
    21st Oct 2019
    10:54am
    Sorry people, I think it's a fair call. I believe that if you're traveling overseas for any period of time the supplement should cease immediately. It should be reinstated on your return. I think that's very fair. If you can afford to go galavanting around the globe, I really don't think you need the tax payer funded supplement while you're away. Now really, do you ??? Cheers Jacka.
    Oldchick
    21st Oct 2019
    12:24pm
    Jacka I hear what your saying but if people save hard to afford a break away good on them. I don’t do it but a lot of people will go without other things for most of the year just to be able to have their holiday. If this scenario works for pensioners, it should also work for the pollies. Retire and go on the ORDINARY pension or self fund, lose the perks and if you work after leaving your parliamentary seat, no pension whilst your still working. At the moment they collect both concurrently. SO WRONG. Instead the greedy sods want to keep slurping up everything out of the tax payer funded trough and deny someone a small supplement while they’re away.
    sainter
    21st Oct 2019
    1:51pm
    Ask you a question Jacka,How much is cut off a pollies pension when they go galavanting
    overseas for any period of time.
    PatrickRM
    21st Oct 2019
    2:06pm
    Right on Sainter. They probably get free travel overseas as well. It’s so maddening.
    Triss
    21st Oct 2019
    3:44pm
    Another thing, Jacka, I notice we have two politicians who left parliament with huge pensions. They have since been re elected so are they receiving an oversized salary and perks on top of their oversized pension and perks? A paltry supplement fades to nothing against that.
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:18am
    Agree Jacka.
    hyperbole
    25th Oct 2019
    5:55pm
    As far as I am aware politicians do go to work; pensioners do not. Not comparing apples with apples. Mind you I am not a fan of politicians either.
    Joy B
    21st Oct 2019
    10:57am
    Why do they have to look at pensioners every time they want to save money. Let's look at the arts budget for a change.
    Red 13
    21st Oct 2019
    11:45am
    I would agree with you normally but cannot get past the rank hypocrisy of these Liberal parasites who not think twice about plundering the public purse to their hearts content whilst we suffer the daily indignities they push onto us as if we are the criminals.
    This government has to go.
    libsareliars
    21st Oct 2019
    1:25pm
    They already have looked at the arts budget - i was reading the other day it has been drastically reduced since the LNP got back in power when George Brandis was the minister.
    Alexii
    21st Oct 2019
    2:23pm
    because they are an easy lot to attack financially. Easy to divide them and sadly most pensioners don't join the new parties such as SUPA (Seniors United Party Australia. Pensioners need to have, MUST have a voice in parliament and to do so they need their own party to represent them.
    Agnes
    21st Oct 2019
    3:39pm
    Would be happy if they cut the funds to the Institute of sport as well, spent hundreds of thousands training Tomic as where did that get us. Just a wall of ingratitude and brat like behaviour. But this is off topic. I don't see why the baby bonus cant be scrapped and that money given to Pensioners (especially if they are renting), And no I dont get the OAP .
    changes?
    21st Oct 2019
    11:02am
    Why should the supplement be separate to the pension and not included in the pension itself? The consolidation of both into one amount would help a little as the twice annual inflation increase would be rolled into one item and the increase would have a few cents more.

    If a pensioner was going oversees for more than 6 weeks, then if the government still had this idea on their books, then it could still be taken out even if as one component. Being a couple who have had to live on a pension of one type or another along with disability pensions, we have no money to go overseas for a week let alone 6, although it would be nice.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:42pm
    Not to mention the Carer's Allowance -it doesn't change... remains the same.. $130 a fortnight - $65 a week to provide in-home services, transport, and do all the work... including renos to suit disabilities... and pay for them as well...

    Amazing ... simply amazing...
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    12:09am
    Going rate for homecare is $27.50 an hour and a car to get around and super .... ummmm... lessee now.... $65 a week will get you a couple of hours... but no car to get there....

    Carers should receive a full pension regardless of income from anywhere... stress leave and booze needed to maintain (man) cost more than $65 a week... hell - you can't buy a decent sports car on $65 a week!
    changes?
    21st Oct 2019
    11:02am
    Why should the supplement be separate to the pension and not included in the pension itself? The consolidation of both into one amount would help a little as the twice annual inflation increase would be rolled into one item and the increase would have a few cents more.

    If a pensioner was going oversees for more than 6 weeks, then if the government still had this idea on their books, then it could still be taken out even if as one component. Being a couple who have had to live on a pension of one type or another along with disability pensions, we have no money to go overseas for a week let alone 6, although it would be nice.
    thommo
    21st Oct 2019
    11:04am
    This LNP government is just a bunch of mongrel b......s.
    The sooner they're routed from office the better....
    Joy Anne
    21st Oct 2019
    11:45am
    DEFINITELY agree.
    fearlessfly
    21st Oct 2019
    12:14pm
    And a bloody huge thumbs-up for those sentiments thommo !
    Oldchick
    21st Oct 2019
    12:27pm
    ABSOLUTELY!!! It’s not like they’re doing a wonderful job of managing the economy, the drought, the water allocations, the list goes on. They’re great at filling their own pockets though
    inextratime
    21st Oct 2019
    11:10am
    I think its a ridiculous bill which when debated will expose exactly that and will not get up.
    This amendment would not only effect people who do go overseas to visit family etc but anyone contemplating doing it even if they don't. The number of lost votes, a bit like the Labor call to get rid of tax credits, will ensure that the bill will end up in the bin. So all the left leaning protagonists, calm down and take a chill pill.
    floss
    21st Oct 2019
    11:16am
    Things must be really bad when you have to gag the press.
    Triss
    21st Oct 2019
    3:51pm
    Didn’t the New York Times call Australia the world’s most secretive democracy?
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:43pm
    The greatest threat to the Parliamentary system is democracy.... mostly I gag on the press...
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:44pm
    “The television (read media) business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There is also a negative side…”

    Dr Hunter S Thompson
    Alexii
    21st Oct 2019
    11:23am
    Another act of bastardly by this government. Of course it's another petty attempt to balance the budget and ensure the wonderful tax refunds for the wealthy - themselves and their friends.
    Horace Cope
    21st Oct 2019
    11:31am
    The supplement was originated by Gillard to cover pensioners for the carbon tax that she promised she would never have under a government she led. When Abbott repealed the carbon tax there was a fair argument that the supplement was no longer needed but it was retained anyway. There was an attempt to stop new pensioners getting the carbon tax supplement but this too was squashed. As the supplement is designed for payments in Australia it would seem fair that it is stopped after a resident receiving a pension is out of Australia for more than 6 weeks. Whilst the comments about power companies still sending the bills is valid, the bills should be much lower as there is no usage for the period, only standing charges.
    Sceptic
    21st Oct 2019
    12:31pm
    The term is QUASHED not SQUASHED.
    arbee
    21st Oct 2019
    1:59pm
    Interesting to see that all the left wing screamers on this page today haven't come out and re butted your statement, maybe that is because what you say is the truth and there is no argument against it. It would seem fair that if it was introduced to alleviate a carbon tax, then it should be stopped if the carbon tax is no longer there, but wait I am forgetting something aren't I, labour with the greens pushing them probably have full intentions of re-introducing the tax if the regain power in the future.
    Horace Cope
    21st Oct 2019
    3:31pm
    Thank you for your comment Septic, I may not be very bright but I can lift heavy fings!.
    Paddington
    21st Oct 2019
    7:38pm
    HC, that is correct.arbee, why would I rebutt facts? I remember that clearly. We were lucky to keep that. Pick your fight. When it is a fact no need to argue. I recall it clearly.
    I do agree with the carbon tax though. I would be a fool not to. We are not doing enough to combat global warming. Whether I am left or right or up or down when something is established then that is factual. Yes, global warming is factual before you jump on that.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:47pm
    It remains to cater for the massive hikes in energy etc costs due to privatisation... can't think of a better reason to not only keep it - but raise it.

    BTW - I'm the bastard who put out online 'The Reality Cheque, Department of Second Class Pensioners", just before Howard bit the dust, and the aim was to get Utilities Allowance for DSP - I also got our local ABC to ask the Wee Rat Bastard Weasel about it on air and justify second class pensioners... he stammered and out came the 'gift' of UA to DSP....

    Gotcha!
    dorothy
    22nd Oct 2019
    1:25pm
    with most bills the supply charges are most of the bill anyway,with very little usage charges
    dorothy
    22nd Oct 2019
    1:25pm
    with most bills the supply charges are most of the bill anyway,with very little usage charges
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:21am
    When I read some of these comments, I wonder whether you guys deserve to live in this country?
    johnp
    21st Oct 2019
    11:32am
    As I have said before both LNP and Labor are like the nazis
    LNP got in power thru lying, cheating, bullying and conniving. Labor lost thru not being able to explain their policies clearly enough; like the bumbling guards in hogan heroes.
    Red 13
    21st Oct 2019
    11:41am
    Save your vitriol for the government, they are the ones in power and are the ones screwing us over daily. The ALP are powerless.
    Sceptic
    21st Oct 2019
    12:38pm
    No, Labor called you and all of us simpletons for not understanding their policies were good for us, including, being prepared to bankrupt the country with an uncosted 50%, so-called, renewables scheme. Which if we had the cheek to question how much, were told it is a stupid question.

    How short the memories of all of those of the left inclination are on this site.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:50pm
    Apart from Labor's struggle to sell their policies and their poor press spinning - 'renewables' are starting to bite, and there has been no slowing down on wind and solar farms, and the government subsidies still exist...

    I recall Gladys 'ere' in NSW saying that interest free loans would be available for solar, batteries, solar hot water, and water tanks... I've got the solar - how about an IFL for the hot water, the batteries and water tank???

    Jeez - I'm only 70 and job seeking so as to install those anyway... an IFL might help ...
    Red 13
    21st Oct 2019
    11:38am
    FFS these parasitic Liberals have to go.
    Our only hope is that the Independents actually start acting like real Independents instead of Liberal clones and make life miserable for these blasted parasites.
    Roll on the next election.
    libsareliars
    21st Oct 2019
    1:27pm
    "FFS these parasitic Liberals have to go"
    Hear hear, just hope everyone remembers to vote them out next election.
    Agnes
    21st Oct 2019
    3:42pm
    I see no reason not to vote for them especially if it keeps the Greens and Labor out of power. The radio program I am listening to in melbourne at the moment has a news item that the Coalition continues lead Labor by significant margin in the latest polls. Mind you we all know how reliable the polls have proved themselves to be.
    Joy Anne
    21st Oct 2019
    11:40am
    How disgusting is this corrupt lying government. Take their pensions and perks as they have enough super for their retirement. That would say billions on all our POLITIANS we have on PENSIONS from 60.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    21st Oct 2019
    11:44am
    If you can afford to go overseas then you don't need those supplements.
    inextratime
    21st Oct 2019
    11:52am
    VCBB AKA OG. LOL So if you have take a holiday in Australia, driving around the country for 2-3 months in a hired $80 grand 4WD or mobile home that's ok. But if you fly to another country possibly to see your family for the last time you must be too wealthy to need the supplements. hohoho.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    21st Oct 2019
    12:02pm
    Big difference you are using your supplements to pay GST in Australia but not overseas. Also $80 grand is not much of a 4WD and caravan or mobile home.
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2019
    12:23pm
    I thought that was already the case after 6 weeks together with the cancellation of the concession card. Was away 3 days longer than six weeks and had my card cancelled and a new one issued. Used to be 13 weeks.
    Alexii
    21st Oct 2019
    2:16pm
    Come off it, VeryCaringBigBear. When we go overseas to visit my wife's friends, no rels as they are all dead, we do it not very often (2011 last time), as cheaply as possible so we are staying wiht one of them and then do B&B to do a bit of tripping. We are not big spenders at any time as we cannot afford to be. We don't appreciate the LNP making it harder for us and many others. Life is already hard enough and those characters wouldn't know what it's like to have to be careful with the spending.
    So, just because a person on a pension goes overseas it doesn't;t mean that person is well off.
    Paddington
    21st Oct 2019
    7:39pm
    Spot on VCBB. I actually agree with you on this one.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:56pm
    Wait one - where did this 'utilities allowance is to pay GST' come from? It's been to cover the costs of power, gas etc, with a small supplement for GST increase - not GST pure......

    Which part of your connection fees daily for gas, water, power etc do you NOT pay GST on while you're away for a holiday?

    This kind of propaganda move is like suddenly declaring Social Security to be welfare.... sorry, lads - not acceptable...

    Anyway:-

    https://reductionrevolution.com.au/blogs/news-reviews/how-to-minimise-holiday-vacation-power-bills

    Here's a gem from that link:-

    "People often say to me things like:

    "I just got this massive power bill and we weren't even at home for much of the bill. We were on holiday, it makes no sense!"

    Sorry, but just because you took a holiday, it doesn't mean your appliances went on vacation too!"
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:25am
    Who's using your appliances while you are on holiday??? If no one, then they are on holiday.
    sunnyOz
    27th Oct 2019
    11:32am
    Aviator - it is not just the fact of 'using' an appliance. It is the 'use of an appliance'.
    Last year I was away from home on the other side of the country, caring for my daughter going through a difficult pregnancy and birth. Was away for just over 10 weeks. My power bill was almost higher than if I was at home. My fridge still needs running, same with the pool (actually, pool filter on longer as I wasn't there to clean). I have a home security system - that was on more, plus timed internal lights, and exterior sensor lights.
    If I'm home - that's when these appliances are on holiday.
    patti
    21st Oct 2019
    12:46pm
    Not ok - most of the costs of living in Australia will not decrease - rates, mortgage, technology costs etc etc. Maybe after a year's absence - not all travellers do so for pleasure, some do it for family reasons such a sickness. Such a money grubbing mob we have running our country - take some from the super rich why don't you??
    kitkat
    21st Oct 2019
    1:20pm
    Anything to keep that miracle
    surplus!!
    Alexii
    21st Oct 2019
    2:18pm
    That's right. make the pensioners help pay for the wealthiest' tax cuts.
    Captain
    21st Oct 2019
    5:52pm
    You are correct Alexii, billions of $ in tax cuts and if this measure goes through, a saving of $154.4 million over the forward estimates (perhaps a 5 year period). Well thought out policies that I am sure will benefit the country and put us into the top echelon of first world countries.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    8:59pm
    Not only that - BUT A BUDGET SURPLUS IS JUST A FORWARD ESTIMATE - IT IS NOT MONEY IN THE BANK, AND RARELY ENDS UP ADDING UP TO MONEY IN THE BANK!

    Sorry I had to shout at yer Black Panther Party..... but some just don't get the message...
    ex PS
    25th Oct 2019
    7:59am
    How will having a paper surplus, whist seeing farmers walking off their farms, small businesse closing down through lack of sales and more and more SFR's having to take a part pension help our economy.

    Having a surplus is likened to saving for a rainey day, hasn't it rained enough yet? We need the government to stimulate the economy, it can't keep relying on the Reserve Bank to do all the lifting. It needs to get stuck in and do its share.
    Jacka
    21st Oct 2019
    1:24pm
    Hi again, Jacka here. Firstly if the supplement is rolled into the pension to make 1 separate payment the poor people living in public housing would lose 25% of their supplement. As it currently stands they only lose 25% of their designated pension. Oh ye think, before ye whinge. Also the clean energy supplement which was brought in to compensate clean energy costs which now don't exist and haven't for quite some years was never repealed and we/you still receive it. Should have been repealed on the change of government but it wasn't. Be thankful for what you have and what you get. And once again if you are a true pensioner existing only on the old age or disability pension, you can't afford a car, much less gallivant around the world. Get real. Jacka.
    Chooky
    21st Oct 2019
    1:33pm
    You’re a piece of work. Clearly obvious you’re a right wing voter.
    Agnes
    21st Oct 2019
    3:44pm
    On this point I agree with you Jacka
    Red 13
    21st Oct 2019
    5:38pm
    Right wing looney.
    Paddington
    21st Oct 2019
    7:42pm
    Chooka I am not a right wing voter. A cheap car is one thing. It gets you to appointments. Not everyone can manage public transport or has access to it. Going overseas is a luxury though!
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:00pm
    Easy - just enforce no 25% of supplement to go to rent.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:01pm
    Got me the old reliable 2005 model - still goes great... big enough for disability and hasn't got the huge service costs of the newer ones...
    Sully
    22nd Oct 2019
    3:37pm
    I will not be told to be thankful for what I have got after a lifetime of hard but not well paid work by the likes of this up himself Jacka character.
    Who the bloody hell do you think you are, you miserable little snob, playing at being the big rich guy, hiding behind a computer? You probably have rorted the tax system to get benefits you should not get.
    It is impossible to get away from ratbags like you, even on a site that is about helping pensions. Go and annoy the local Liberal or National Party greedy types on their websites. Pillock!
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:27am
    Again, I agree with Jacka.
    hyperbole
    27th Oct 2019
    11:11am
    When people resort to name calling they lose the argument as far as Iam concerned.
    Hairy
    21st Oct 2019
    1:29pm
    Corrupt lieing filthy mongrel thieves ,what else can you say,it’s true and the stupid stupid stupid of Australian voters are blind to it.its not welfare,a pension is a right given to us by a great former prime minister whom these mongrels would not be fit to polish his shoes.wake up but to what,every party is a corrupt and self serving mob of fuckwits ,I wouldn’t use the bastards for garden fertiliser they kill every bit of life they touch, may they all burn in hell
    Chooky
    21st Oct 2019
    1:31pm
    Arh yrs, let’s do it so $3,000,000,000 per year of free money can happily continue to be given to those with franking credits.
    Raise your hand if in May you voted LNP or those giving preferences to LNP?
    Yes you. Raise your hand. Don’t complain, you voted for this.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    21st Oct 2019
    2:10pm
    No Labor wanted to take $5 Billion from low income earners but allow high income earners to keep their $40 billion. If you thought that was fair you have no idea of fairness at all.

    Thank goodness people saw through Labor's unfair policy and voted against them.
    Red 13
    21st Oct 2019
    5:37pm
    Verycaringbigbear, you idiot!!!
    Take a good look at what this bunch of Liberal gangsters are doing to us and the Nation as a whole. They are failing us totally, and you know it.
    But you cannot see past your appalling bias.
    These Liberal crooks are the government, not the ALP.
    Even an ALP government would’ve been streets better than these hypocritical sanctimonious Liberal parasites.
    You and your ilk are the reason why we are stuck with these plundering criminals.
    VeryCaringBigBear
    21st Oct 2019
    6:02pm
    Well what can I say other than the LNP won the election so I've got more mates than you have.
    Captain
    21st Oct 2019
    6:05pm
    Red 13, I don't think I have ever agreed with VCBB on any subject, however think about the ALP's franking credit policy. At first all franking credit refunds were not going to be refunded, the they changed to pensioners would receive the refund, then wage earners and the rich (including our politicans) would receive the credits. In the end the many billions to be recouped became $5 billion, and the only people who would not receive the refund were going to be Self Funded Retirees.

    In anyone's language this means that a small percentage of citizens would be discriminated against. Anyone care for a possible discrimination case against the ALP Government (if they had won). Don't get me wrong I did not vote for the LNP and never have voted for them. I also would not vote for the ALP.
    Paddington
    21st Oct 2019
    7:48pm
    90% of franking credits goes to the top 10% wealthiest people. People who never even had franking credits believed they would lose some money. Palmer and Pauline gave the LNP Qld on a plate.
    Farside
    21st Oct 2019
    8:48pm
    only last week one of the old gals I help with computer classes wanted to write a complaint that she had not received her promised franking credits. When asked she told me she had not received them previously and on further questioning admitted she did not own shares. She was disappointed to learn there was no cheque in the mail.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:02pm
    We've been over that, OG - over and over - no honest taxpayer would lose from not have tax prepaid on dividends... only those who are dishonest would not pay, and there is the real issue - not the abolition of franking.
    Aussie
    21st Oct 2019
    2:17pm
    This goverment is for the rich people only not for all Australians - Our goverment is CORRUPTED I wonder how much money goes under the table for each politician ????? No wonder we are always in trouble with the Budget. There is no life improvement for pensioners the only way the Gov. will be happy IS WHEN WE DIE ....That is exactly what they so they create stress and stress everyday so they will achieve their goal ...
    "KILL THE PENSIONERS AND SAVE MONEY" .

    So are we the only source of income for the gov. ?????

    They will also change the entire Social Security Act 1991 so they are within the law to do anything they want.

    It is uncompressible how they can play and play and play with the pensioners in our country that is the reason why many of us stay overseas as much as we can because we cannot live in Australia with the pension as the only source of income unless we get a family help like living with your Son, Daughter or other family member and of course you will create a burden for them ,,,,, WOWOWOWOWO what a beautiful life of stress and we will finish in hospital costing the Gov. more money how stupid they are as I always say they are seat warmers they do not care for the Australian people just for themselves and their future pensions ......

    .. "WHAT A BEATIFUL LIFE WE HAVE AS A PENSIONER IN AUSTRALIA HAPPY NO WORRIES AND NO STRESS" ..

    ... That is the dream so lets keep dreaming until we die then our dream will come true ...
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:21pm
    The ex and I have our own home - we could not do it otherwise and me be her carer.... and if one of us passes on .... I'm not sure how the remaining one will get on - which is why I've installed solar panels, and am looking for work to put in battery storage, solar hot water and yard water tanks.

    Thinking of the future always... one of my great-grandmothers may have been Chinese, which would explain my olive skin etc, and I play the long game - always have.. must be genetic...
    cupoftea
    21st Oct 2019
    2:30pm
    Don't forget it was the cross benches that voted in the Senet that got it through to go back to basics if you were overseas for more then 6 weeks this government will keep going attacking the real workers if you worked for 50yrs that means nothing every week its something different to attack I myself do not expect any different then this because I did not vote them in and if you did cop it you deserve all you get
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    2:44pm
    The supplement is to help pay costs in Australia. If you are not in Australia, you don't have those costs. I see nothing wrong in removing it after a reasonable amount of time. 6 weeks is more than generous. The fact that many people have family overseas is a red herring. That same family is likely putting them up and feeding and entertaining them. That's what family does.
    If you can afford more than 6weeks overseas on the age pension then you don't need the supplement.
    cupoftea
    21st Oct 2019
    3:32pm
    KSS It is not the supplement they are talking about it is the WHOLE PENSION
    cupoftea
    21st Oct 2019
    3:32pm
    KSS It is not the supplement they are talking about it is the WHOLE PENSION
    Karl Marx
    21st Oct 2019
    7:26pm
    Jealousy is a bitch hey KSS, You must look like a martian you'd be so green
    KSS
    21st Oct 2019
    7:39pm
    Oh Dear cupoftea, Did you not read the first sentence?

    "The government has put forward a bill which, if passed, would see the pension supplement stripped from people travelling overseas for more than six weeks."

    Nothing about stopping the entire pension, just the supplement that was originally given by Julia Gillard to cover the carbon tax and the extra to cover the GST. The carbon tax was removed yet the supplement remains. If you are not here you are not paying the GST costs the supplement was meant to cover.

    And Karl Marx you know absolutely nothing about me much less the colour of my skin.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:17pm
    But the costs in Australia are ongoing as long as you hold a home here.... you might have a point with anyone living permanently overseas... but they still pay for power etc....

    When is a pension right not a pension right??
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:30am
    Yes KSS, that is so.
    hyperbole
    27th Oct 2019
    11:15am
    Cup of Tea is totally wrong...it is the Supplement only.
    Wondering
    21st Oct 2019
    2:44pm
    How much money would they save if they stopped the racket whereby public servants get a generous daily travel allowance based on hotel and restaurant prices when they are away from home but stay with friends and just pocket the allowance?
    ex PS
    25th Oct 2019
    8:24am
    Public Servants have there accomodation and travell booked for them, the rule of thumb is minimum of threecstar accomodation and economy class air fares. Meal allowances are based on the average cost of a working persons meal, they are definatley not up to a top class restaurant meal.
    Your arguement would be quite valid, if it was based on fact.
    But it is quite the fashion to take a shot at Public Servants, has been for generations.
    pixii
    21st Oct 2019
    2:53pm
    If the Govt is going to cut off supplements to Pensioners, then they should cut off the meal allowance they each receive , when in Canberra “working “. That will save a lot of money, to be used for something more worthwhile, say , drought relief, hospitals , schools , roads , and the list goes on ,
    Jacka
    21st Oct 2019
    3:01pm
    Chooky, what an appropriate name for someone of low intelligence with no compassion for their fellow man. Cheers Jacka.
    Russell
    21st Oct 2019
    3:11pm
    Yes, I agree with it as long as it applies to ALL pensioners including the retired politicians.No more travel perks, no more collecting the pension until they reach the normal retirement age,. They want to strip everything from everyone else but keep all the perks for themselves. Just a load of greedy hypocrites. I have worked all my life and paid all my taxes and this is the way that the country that sent me to Vietnam to fight treats me and every other pensioner.
    cupoftea
    21st Oct 2019
    3:19pm
    Russell you hit the nail on the head
    cupoftea
    21st Oct 2019
    3:19pm
    Russell you hit the nail on the head
    Triss
    21st Oct 2019
    4:34pm
    Well said, Russell.
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    12:01am
    Hope you're on a Veteran pension, Russ - and are happy to see that included with other Pensions and Rights, but also along with PPL and childcare subsidies and a few other things.

    Were you 7RAR, BTW?
    johnp
    22nd Oct 2019
    3:15pm
    agree with Russell, esp pollies rorts
    Paddyschic
    21st Oct 2019
    4:33pm
    They already do this. We travelled on a cruise for 10.5 weeks and we lost the supplement after 6 weeks. Needless to say all our bills were still waiting when we got back. The electricity company didn’t suspend their bill after 6 weeks. Apparently if you receive an age pension you should not be able to afford to travel for this long! We had both worked for 59 years and this was our retirement gift to ourselves. We saved long and hard for it.
    ex PS
    25th Oct 2019
    8:36am
    So many people think they have a right to tell others how they can spend their money. There was atime when a polite person would never discuss another persons finnances.
    Once a Pension is paid the money becomes the property of the person who recieves it, as long as it was received legitimatley it is no one elses business how it is spent.
    It is amusing how much time, money and effort rhe government spends on chasing Pensioners while multinational businesses get away with paying no tax at all. It must have something to do with campaign funding.
    Oma
    21st Oct 2019
    4:55pm
    Are these removed permanently or only while we are away for more than 6 weeks? I was under the impression that it was only for the extra weeks. Ours were only stopped when we stayed longer than 6 weeks and only for the extra weeks. They were reinstated when we arrived back in Australia.
    SuziJ
    21st Oct 2019
    5:26pm
    Oma, it's only for the time over 6 weeks whilst you're out of the country.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:59pm
    Tell it to the power company...
    SuziJ
    21st Oct 2019
    5:05pm
    This is akin to we who are on the DSP (just awaiting our time to apply for the Age Pension - just under 3 years for me) losing it completely after 28 days out of the country in any rolling 12 month period. Then if I was to go for a 12 week trip, I'd not have any funds for 8 weeks and then have to re-apply for the DSP when I return home. It's not like a suspension, it's completely cut-off.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:15pm
    Typical of the Austroreich government..
    Dancer
    21st Oct 2019
    6:33pm
    Very hard on elderly people who travel overseas to see relatives, and may not realise they have lost the supplement even after they return to Australia. When they do realise, they may find it hard to reclaim the supplement because of their age and/or the paperwork involved.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:58pm
    That, of course, is the end game... to cut as many off as possible so as to support fat cat tax cuts...
    Cheezil61
    21st Oct 2019
    7:01pm
    Us taxpayers should have more say as to where our hard earned tax dollar goes! How bout we cut off the handouts we are contributing to these greedy pollies jus like they cut off the people who've contributed to the system most all their life & receive fk all in return!!
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:58pm
    Power To the People - not just an allowance...
    Farside
    21st Oct 2019
    8:39pm
    Fair enough, if you can afford to travel overseas for more than six weeks there is little cause for complaint if the extras are taken away.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:14pm
    Slip me your address and I'll send the power etc bills for you to cover for me ...
    Farside
    21st Oct 2019
    9:34pm
    could not care less about your power bills as you seem to overlook that you receive the allowance for six weeks despite not incurring the costs, put those savings towards offsetting the missed supplement.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:57pm
    Nah - the costs remain... even if abated somewhat - therefore.... (come on.. come on...)

    PK - therefore perhaps it should be calculated on their actual costs while away, rather than being a blanket ban... many an infant idea has suffocated under a blanket ban...
    ex PS
    25th Oct 2019
    8:43am
    Farside, you seem to overlook the fact that things like connection and maintenance costs are incured whether you are there or not.
    Farside
    25th Oct 2019
    3:46pm
    not at all PS, the energy supplement is to help with energy costs. Since they are overseas energy consumption will be less than usual and does nto require the supplement. In any case those receiving the supplement have had the benefit of it for the previous six weeks despite lower energy bills.
    hyperbole
    27th Oct 2019
    11:20am
    It is a no brainer. If you are not in the country you are not using power. Where is the problem?
    sunnyOz
    27th Oct 2019
    11:41am
    Farside - utter rubbish! I didn't go overseas, but was still away from my own home. Last year I was away on the other side of the country, caring for my daughter going through a difficult pregnancy and birth. Was away for just over 10 weeks. My power bill was almost higher than if I was at home. My fridge still needs running, same with the pool (actually, pool filter on longer as I wasn't there to clean). I have a home security system - that was on more, plus timed internal lights, and exterior sensor lights.
    It is a complete fallacy that just because you are not home, power costs go down.
    Farside
    28th Oct 2019
    12:53am
    what is your gripe Sunny? You seem to be distracted by your own special circumstances and overlooked that the topic is about removing a supplement after six weeks overseas. If you afford to run security systems and swimming pool then you could probably manage without it in any case.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:11pm
    Right - let's once again settle this business of social security and welfare... now - from the horse's mouth (not the one at the knackers or the doggers):-

    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook45p/WelfareCost

    In 2016–17, the Australian Government estimates that it will spend around $158.6 billion on social security and welfare, and around $191.8 billion in 2019–20. This category of expenditure includes a broad range of payments and services including:

    most income support payments such as pensions and allowances (for example, Newstart)
    family payments such as Family Tax Benefit
    paid parental leave pay
    child care fee assistance payments
    funding for aged care services
    funding for disability services and
    payments and services for veterans and their dependents.


    Now - for the ungodly here - of that 'welfare and social security - only Pensions, Unemployment Benefits and family benefits are actually social security....

    The rest (excluding Veteran etc payments which stand alone in the DVA budget - NOT social security budget) are what you may call 'welfare', and it includes PPL, childcare assistance etc to people on $150k pa.... and that's 'declared' income - many live off their business and get less than that, but live very well, as we all know, on tax concessions etc.
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    9:13pm
    Note: the government uses the term 'SOCIAL SECURITY AND WELFARE'. Now give it a rest with this sledging about pensions and unemployment and family benefits being 'welfare - they are Social Security.

    You may address that... term ... to the other issues that should not be part of the social security budget.
    Farside
    21st Oct 2019
    9:46pm
    you misread the tea leaves Trebor but it is a pointless distinction.

    In 2017–18, expenditure on welfare by the Australian Government and state and territory governments was $160.6 billion (excluding administration expenses such as program support or communication campaign expenses). This comprised:

    $102.2 billion (64%) in cash payments to specific populations (not including unemployment benefits)
    $48.1 billion (30%) for welfare services
    $10.2 billion (6%) in unemployment benefits.

    Welfare includes cash payments to specific populations include expenditure by the Australian Government such as Age Pension, Disability Support Pension and Carer Payment/Allowance. It does not include expenditure on unemployment benefits.

    Welfare services encompass services and programs to support and assist people and the community. Examples are family support services, youth programs, childcare services, services for older people, and services for people with disability.

    https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/welfare-expenditure
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:50pm
    Something wrong with quoting the government itself? "Social Security AND welfare".

    Argue all you like - Rights remain Rights no matter how you twist them... and no Right can ever be welfare, other than by intention, as I've explained countless times before...
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    10:40am
    Look again at the list - the 'core' (not Howardian non-core) issues of Social Security are Pensions, Unemployment Benefits, and Family payments ... included in that $102.2Bn are PPL, childcare subsidies, etc.. which are not strictly part of the Social security budget, but are welfare ......

    Clearly delineating the difference between social security and welfare would help unravel the confusion in the minds of current governments.. and they could start to speak with something approximating to reality for a change.

    Core and non-core social security... time for a proper accounting.
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    10:45am
    $102.2 billion (64%) in cash payments to specific populations (not including unemployment benefits)
    see above.... core and non-core social security = Social Security and Welfare. A proper accounting of each segment individually is required so as to de-confuse the minds of politicians.

    $48.1 billion (30%) for welfare services
    ... includes such things as rehab services, outreach programs, assistance to charities (welfare), Lifeline, Veterans call service, a host of other things, including 'shop-front' access services...

    $10.2 billion (6%) in unemployment benefits.

    ... chicken feed compared to the impact on roughly 2 million people and their families wrought by unemployment and under-employment at a time of sky-rocketing costs of living (primarily due to privatisation)...

    chees - the cost of handling super runs to $32Bn a year....
    SEA EAGLE
    21st Oct 2019
    9:40pm
    I am with you Trebor accept I disagree with the use of the Rack so please reconsider and take my advice bring back the Guillotine. VIVA LA REVOLUTION
    Karl Marx
    21st Oct 2019
    11:40pm
    Yes the guillotine was used very successfully on those that made the rich richer & the poor poorer including the government officials that we now call politicians VIVA LA REVOLUTION
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:54pm
    Well - I only offered the Rack so as to offer the miscreants an opportunity to repent - no pressure there, of course... they don't HAVE to repent on the Rack or the Cross or while awaiting the Guillotine Blade... but it might do them some good.... for their Eternal Soul, of course...

    The best offer I can give to the current loads of traitors is that I be their judge.... I'm a softie at heart... they might only get to watch the Rack in action on some unremorseful miscreant... and learn their lesson, go their way and sin no more...

    Does using the Rack stretch the truth out of them .. or just stretch the truth?.. That's the argument against waterboarding.. who knows the truth...
    TREBOR
    21st Oct 2019
    11:55pm
    ... using waterboarding we could be drowning in truth...
    TREBOR
    22nd Oct 2019
    10:47am
    I used to do security up at the Sea Eagles...when I was there it was a quiet club.. hardly any violence... hearts and minds....
    David
    21st Oct 2019
    9:53pm
    Typical of govt to simply cut off any person in receipt of a benefit. For example our son who was a former university student had his allowances cut off as soon as he passed through border control. Even though we paid for his holiday he still had bills to pay whilst overseas. The benefits were not reinstated until he passed through border control again. Highly unfair & does not pass the pub test.
    Sully
    22nd Oct 2019
    2:30pm
    If many aged pensioners did not vote against their own interests, like forgoing free dental care and adequate support for cancer patients, voting instead for the richest 5%of the population to keep their franking credit free cash handouts, negative gearing tax rorts and reduced tax, if they stopped voting LNP and believing their lies, and voted Labor, they would not be facing this latest slash attack on pensions by Morrison's God Squad of knaves. I am an aged pensioner and have never voted LNP.
    Sully
    22nd Oct 2019
    2:31pm
    If many aged pensioners did not vote against their own interests, like forgoing free dental care and adequate support for cancer patients, voting instead for the richest 5%of the population to keep their franking credit free cash handouts, negative gearing tax rorts and reduced tax, if they stopped voting LNP and believing their lies, and voted Labor, they would not be facing this latest slash attack on pensions by Morrison's God Squad of knaves. I am an aged pensioner and have never voted LNP.
    MarkMac
    22nd Oct 2019
    2:40pm
    Firstly, I have to say KSS, a bit savage, and clearly no practice at living on the aged pension, or any other form of welfare. Why do people get uptight about pensioners chosing to find a place overseas where they can live with a little comfort, perhaps even dignity, which the Aged Pension certainly does not if attempting to live here in Australia. The other aspect people overlook is that living overseas on the aged pension means the pensioner assumes the risk and cost of health care, thus freeing up considerable Medicare resources. Should the Government remove all Aged Pension payments be prepared for the flood or returning Australians and the resultant overload on Medicare, Federal, State and Local Government services for the aged and invalid, Prescription medication subsidies, etc etc. I hope sanity prevails but experience tells me that's unlikely. So as an alternative I hope this bites the Government hard, very hard.
    andromeda143
    22nd Oct 2019
    3:18pm
    I am sorry that my comments evoked such a backlash (particularly from KSS). I am not wealthy and could not live without my part pension. Most of the travel I have done has been with hard-earned savings or with small legacies from parents. In fact, I would like to travel overseas again but doubt that I can afford it. In any case that was not the point of my comments. I just wanted to highlight the injustice of the system which curtails legitimate travel and also which allows Centrelink to classify to my detriment me and my wife as non-pensioners when we were still receiving legitimate pension payments.
    Paulo
    22nd Oct 2019
    6:11pm
    What a pack of left wing wingers who post negative on any subject. Pay attention, the recent election rejected Labor and the Greens, they failed to win the election another drovers dog could have won. The people spoke.
    You live in the Best Country in the world. If you don't like it move out
    Sully
    22nd Oct 2019
    6:55pm
    Paulo, may I suggest that if you don't like intelligent people posting remarks that you disagree with, in this land that we love and want to improve, then I suggest you stop grizzling and leave for somewhere where Government criticism is banned.
    There are plenty of right wing countries that would cater for you.
    Who Knows, one day, Peter Dutton will get his way and ban us, but until then, I will post when and what I like.
    The Government has a paper thin majority of ONE seat. It does not have any sort of mandate at all, and took no new policies to the election at all.
    Aviator
    23rd Oct 2019
    1:36am
    You live in the Best Country in the world. If you don't like it move out( says Paulo)

    I agree. First time I posted in this section of the forum. Don't think I have missed much. After all who wants to listen to a bunch of whining ungrateful people who don't appreciate when they are well off.
    hyperbole
    24th Oct 2019
    3:32pm
    thought most pensioners could not afford overseas trips; according to some comments on this site in the past
    Farside
    24th Oct 2019
    10:10pm
    it certainly seems there are plenty of pensioners holding their hands out for allowances and franking credits while enjoying their lengthy overseas trips, I guess not all are eking out an existence in virtual penury.
    Paulo
    25th Oct 2019
    4:45pm
    Dear Sully The government has 77 seats out of 151 that means majority of three. Like many correspondents to this form of Social Media you did not check the facts before publishing. Your apology is accepted. Have a nice day.
    John
    27th Oct 2019
    11:30am
    It’s so terrible you can’t even go home to see your family before you pass away because if you do they start cutting your pension get them bastards I said Linda tax get $250 for sleeping out and don’t declare that they’re at home on over 400,000 a year on top of that they can claim the pension any time they want it’s absolutely Ridiculous if you want to stop and save money then drive the cells the parliament instead are use a chauffeur driven cars pay for it all accommodation when I wear from Parliament that it save another 250 each night millions and pay for the shelves in a hotel there on 400,000 a year for chrissake do nothing but leeches nothing but leeches we’ve worked or will I fit in Australia now you come to retirement the saying you can’t go home I will stop so much out your pension want to Laura bastards
    John
    27th Oct 2019
    12:00pm
    The basically holding you hostage in Australia saying you can’t go home to see your children before you die or your relatives before you die or grandchildren before you die all the wise will stop your pension so much on top of that not allowing out to the country for longer than six weeks to get functional stop absolutely ridiculous also do is look after themselves when they say they’re helping to serve the tax people money why don’t we start with a sells the most biggest seller is in the world for hundred 600,000 a year on top of the The basically holding you hostage in Australia saying you can’t go home to see your children before you die or your relatives before you die or grandchildren before you die all the wise will stop your pension so much on top of that not allowing out to the country for longer than six weeks to get functional stop absolutely ridiculous all to do is look after themselves when they say they’re helping to serve the tax people money why don’t we start with the sells the most biggest salaries in the world for hundred 600,000 a year on top of that I’m top of the pensions you can only dream off to get $250 for stopping out in a hotel at night most of them clammy and go home absolutely terrible I’d suck the lot are busted and start again with the working class people not people already which I’m trying to get richer absolutely ridiculous get rid of a lot of the bastards won’t join your life in Australia now you’re telling your call go home before you got to see your children. So much of your pension are we Ridiculously start if you want to start saving the taxpayers money stop walk in the system by having so much of a big punch saw much of a big pay packet can you drive us to check you to work they are not sure for driven instead of using your own vehicles using private plans to fly all over the bloody world is that are getting a company let’s start saving money but you bastard stop fucking spending
    John
    29th Oct 2019
    1:36pm
    The basically stopping pensioners from going to see the grandchildren and keeping pensioners hostage in the wrong country if the government want to save money stop using government chauffeur driven cars to and from places and use their own vehicles stop flying first class stop taking the $250 allowance for overnight stairs when stopping at their own homes stop taking big payouts of 4 to $500,000 a year what’s good for pensioners should be good for them if they leave the country there should be stopped ripping off the tax office If I am aware and off the population would say the same I get rid of the bastards and start getting people into parliament working class I don’t check for hundred to 500,000 a year then nothing but leeches looking after the rich and keeping a poo a poo suck the lot of the bastards the role on the take on the role all roles in the system everywhere they come when they get caught out nothing happens that’s where all the tax money is going to them bastards


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