COVID-19 pandemic may have a silver lining for older Australians

Enforced isolation could lead to promising social and technological advancements for older people.

older couple working on a laptop together

Amid the fear and panic caused by the current coronavirus pandemic, it may be impossible to think of any silver lining in relation to COVID-19. But the old adage ‘necessity is the mother of invention’ could lead to a silver lining for retirees in the midst of this crisis.

Enforced isolation may encourage older generations to adopt online tools and modern methods of communication, co-founder and director of aged care support provider Aged Care Steps, Assyat David told Professional Planner.

Many older people who were reluctant to embrace technology may no longer have any choice, if they want to stay connected to friends and family and even health professionals and financial advisers in the days of self-isolation and social distancing.

“There will be a silver lining and a legacy as [more] older people learn how to use online tools,” said Ms David.

The other silver lining, says Ms David, is that the pandemic could kickstart people to plan ahead more thoroughly for future crises.

“We’ve had the bushfire crisis, water restrictions and now this, so perhaps in the future people will think more about what it means for mum and dad when there is a crisis and how you can prepare if people are isolated,” she explains.

And, as the crisis is estimated to be with us indefinitely, mental health and loneliness also needs to be better addressed, says Ms David.

“The whole isolation issue is starting to pick up, it’s only been a couple of weeks but if it stretches to months the outcomes of being stranded as an elderly person will become important,” she said.

Financial adviser Richard Jackson says the older generation isn’t afraid to use technology.

“People in the 70s and 80s are pretty comfortable with email already, they’re on the internet more than you might think,” he says.

Still, Mr Jackson, who specialises in retiree and aged care clients, is encouraged by the number of older people adapting to the use of online tools.

“I’ve already started doing that with a few people and they seem quite happy with the outcome,” he says.

He agrees, however, that the current crisis could spur the older generation on to try more tools and applications than they might have previously been comfortable with.

“It’s a more of an incremental thing, they like to take things step by step,” he says.

“But any development would be a good outcome.”

What other silver linings from the pandemic do you foresee?

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    Mariner
    27th Mar 2020
    4:32pm
    I see the silver lining but also the reverse, a lot more oldies become suckers to all kinds of rip-off schemes. By all means teach oldies the new technologies but make sure they understand the darker side. According to authorities a lot of money is lost every year by us oldies; I suppose the younger ones are OK as they have not that much to lose as yet.
    john
    28th Mar 2020
    4:41pm
    Yes the scammers are out there but it is wise to never click on anything you haven't known was coming, sounds pretty simple, and it's not always, but banks don't send stuff out to you to give back information, they don't, most reputable business' don't but the scammers can make sites look really authentic! So trust nothing only go where you need and know.

    The silver lining I think will come in the massive return to normal and people will be busy like they've never been.
    Another silver lining will be we now know that this can happen and we know the lockdown should have begun earlier, but that whole beginning of COVID19 was an unknown.

    Another silver lining is that maybe the old fashioned killers like influenza may be lessoned way down in number, as hygiene is learnt by more and more and people can understand how easy it is to pass anything, how many times you walk into a public toilet and people don't wash their hands at all. It is bloody disgusting and now bloody frightening.

    Sanitising liquid is only a back up, ONLY SOAP AND WATER USED VIGOROUSLY, IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE, SO THOROUGHLY CLEAN WITH SANITISER IF YOU ARE OUT, BUT DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE, AND WHEN YOU GET HOME WASH YOUR HANDS HARD WITH SOAP AND WATER.

    Wipe down goods that you have delivered or you bring in to your house wipe down benches etc, we will probably have to keep this sort of stuff up, for a while even after the danger is slowing but they're all good habits, slow down and do the job, this is good for everyone not just elderly or infirm , so do the job. Don't be afraid to say "move further away please"!
    Janus
    27th Mar 2020
    4:46pm
    There are many more "silver linings".
    It is now obvious that we have been sold a pup, as ther medical capacity situation in our hospitals and facilities is well below the standards that we can afford.
    It is clear to us now which private organisations really care about their customers, and are good corporate citizens, or NOT.
    It is apparent to anyone looking that our current Federal and some state governments have their eye on the future in terms of their political survival, not your actual survival.
    You now know the level to which the lowlife and the fools will sink to in times of hardship.
    You might know now, or at least will soon, who your real friends and good people are. Who the performers and the dullards are. Which shops you can depend on. How to vote next time we get a chance.

    We also know that so many of the population care very little about anyone else, and show much toilet paper we need.

    It takes hard times to reveal the facts.
    john
    28th Mar 2020
    4:46pm
    Janus , look on the positive, it'll be fine you'll be fine, the government does what it has to, it was late locking down the country, but we are not like some and worse than others, like Taiwan is better than us, but Italy is in a dreadful situation as is Spain.
    We know that humans make mistakes and miss things, and we know humans make up the government, and health funds etc will have no choice but to come to the party, its all gone too far now, we have to stop criticising and work together to look after ourselves.
    Hoohoo
    29th Mar 2020
    7:47pm
    I fear for the people who are regarded as the lowest priority, IF we don't fully lock down and the curve continues on its exponential rise then medical staff will be in this terrible dilemma.

    Think about it: What if the ICU care wards are all full, but more people roll through the door? Put them in the corridor? Turn them away? Kick out the old to make way for those young? Kick out the poor to make way for those with private health insurance?

    Unfortunately, those brave medical staff on the frontline of this war, are the very same ones who will be forced to make the decision about who gets treated and who doesn't. Who rings the nursing home and declares "Sorry, there's no room left at the hospital, so stop sending these old people who are near the end of their lives, anyway. Let them die where they are." How else could hospitals continue to function effectively?
    Incognito
    29th Mar 2020
    7:54pm
    Have a read of this HooHoo, might make you feel better:

    https://www.drbrownstein.com/coronavirus-xii:-the-good-news-is-still-there/?inf_contact_key=f967f8051a387cf60a2df1b4a51d5aaccc0558ed5d4c28cbfab114022b1ec50d
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    12:47pm
    I read the first 5 pages of that, Incog. and while I'm sure the American author is genuine, I can't help feeling that every time someone with an intelligent opinion says there is some good news, the very people who should be exercising restraint read that advice as "I can go back to normal now - it's not as bad as the media are making out." They are just hanging for an excuse to go back to normal - back to the pub, back to the club, get on the pokies and look for sex. Unfortunately, these people, predominantly young (but not all, by any stretch), male (only some, and some but fewer females) and self-centred types by nature (hello), ignorant of the reality of COVID-19 - THESE PEOPLE ARE SPREADING COVID WHETHER THEY KNOW IT OR NOT. Whether they care or not.

    I think the only fake? news worth its salt in this crisis, would be to tell everyone that COVID is in your city, it's in your town, at your workplace, in your pub and club, dropping in on you at your local surf break, in your hospital, in your supermarket, in your nursing home, jogging through the park and quite possibly in your own home. This might be the only way to stop the self-centred from flouting the rules and spreading the virus.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    1:23pm
    I'd like to add that the article brought up the reality of so many people dying of the flu every year, anyway. This goes to the truth that flu jabs are as useful as any placebo. That said, placebos are quite effective - I'm sure it's why homeopathy has the good results it gets (but I can hear the shrieking from here, with you all howling that homeopathy is unscientific). Let's just say that science only measures what it can. Regardless, placebos are quite effective and that IS scientific.

    It's reasonable to say that globally, COVID will kill more than the annual flu, but maybe not too many more AND they'll be the same candidates for both. But how will we know? when hospitals routinely say (on a Death Certificate) that a patient has died of kidney failure when that kidney failure was due to the patient succumbing to an untreatable staph infection? I'm very sure that not so many people will die of flu this year because they've already died from COVID.

    I'm not one for conspiracy theories but there are some very worrying trends going on. I have two friends who were forced to return home from a surfing trip in Indonesia. They are still in isolation but neither of them were tested. They saw people dying in the streets in the big cities. She is a nurse in Aged Care, so of course can't work until the quarantine period is over. But she's spoken to her work colleagues and been told they don't have enough protective gear for the front line staff. Can this be real in a country like Australia?
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    3:05pm
    While there in SE Asia, these friends listened to local news services, which reported the real situation in China is nothing like what's reported in our media. It said there were many times more people dying in China than what was being reported here.

    It's not surprising but it isn't good news.
    Incognito
    30th Mar 2020
    9:54pm
    Yes HooHoo it is hard to distinguish real news and fake news but I am trying to weigh it all up with other perspectives, I do realize it is still dangerous but I worry about the testing and the data may not be right either worse or better.
    I am a believer of homeopathy and have had great success with it, you need to know how to use it correctly or see a consultant. There are remedies for prevention of flu too. I have previously told the story of a dog I owned that had tick fever and lost the use of her back legs after dose of homeopathy over night she was running around the next day and back to normal. India's prime minister and their health department has officially recommended homeopathy and natural remedies to everyone. But when I posted that article about how they have a lot less cases for the amount of population someone quickly said they are not reporting their deaths and cases correctly.
    Yes we certainly need more protection for those on the front line, kind of like sending soldiers to war without tanks and guns.
    Hoohoo
    31st Mar 2020
    8:15pm
    Like lambs to the slaughter - it's so unfair to these selfless, hard-working and underpaid people.

    I think homeopathy is a great therapy, too, being gentle and effective. The best thing is that it doesn't assault the patient with harsh chemicals when their body is already under stress. Think chemotherapy...yowch! I would never tell someone not to do it, but I've seen so many loved ones die from cancer, after years of this grueling treatment, I am of the opinion if the cancer is THAT bad, I'd rather try alternative treatments and take my chances. And who knows, I might remain strong enough to overcome it? If not, then at least I could go out with some peace, at home, and with dignity. Morphine is the only drug I'd be happy to accept on my way out.

    I too had a dear little moggie who was saved by homeopathy, after being diagnosed with hyperthyroidism. She was 16, spewing and pooing a green, mucus substance (sorry). She couldn't keep down water or food, or the vet's medicine and she was going to dehydrate and starve to death very soon if I didn't try something else very quickly. After treating her with homeopathic drops and putting her on a fresh food diet, she was still running around like a kitten for another 20 months and died at 18, of old age, in my arms.
    Yes, unbelievers, I brainwashed that cat into believing homeopathy was real medicine and fortunately, she understood English perfectly! In truth, I DID tell her the medicine would make her well, to stop her struggling as I administered the drops. After a short while she accepted the drops quite happily. Cats are smart, especially this one.
    Incognito
    31st Mar 2020
    9:03pm
    Yes it is incredible how well animals respond to homeopathy, when you see it with your own eyes you know it cannot be placebo as they like to call it. Reading the history of homeopathy is interesting how it used to be one of the main types of treatments and still is in many countries, even the Queen uses it and how well is she.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Apr 2020
    7:13pm
    With my puddy, I was told to use rescue remedy when she was close to death, like a gentle euthanasia, to help her "shift" over. At about 3am the morning she died, she yowled out very loudly three times (she was deaf by this time), as if to tell me "I'm ready to die". I quickly woke up my partner so he could be there, and like me before him, he cradled his arms around her and the pillow she was resting on, with his chin behind her head so she could feel the vibration of his voice. And then she did exactly the same thing to him as she did to me, she lifted her head right back and yowled out loudly three times, into his face. And then she calmed down.

    I stayed with her all night and the next morning gave her a dose of rescue remedy, then again 4 hours later and she died by lunch time. We can learn a lot from animals. She died calmly, peacefully and naturally. I hope I can do the same when the time comes.
    Incognito
    4th Apr 2020
    12:37am
    Hoohoo, that is a lovely story.
    adbob
    27th Mar 2020
    4:53pm
    Oh - I see - get we oldies to join the youngsters who spend more on their phones than they do on food.

    Actually I thought it might have been that maybe we should have been taking similar precautions anyway to avoid the death toll that seasonal flu brings on us every year, which may be less, but it's still quite substantial. And review the extent to which flu jabs actually work.
    Hoohoo
    29th Mar 2020
    7:49pm
    Someone's just opened a can of worms, adbob. Well done but ow, how the truth hurts!
    mike
    27th Mar 2020
    4:54pm
    Most elderly people have underlying medical conditions and the virus is a death sentence, and it is unaceptable that people arriving by planes and cruise ships were not checked as they were in other countries. Now we all have to pay the price for our government 's inaction when it was needed.
    miker
    27th Mar 2020
    6:07pm
    I totally agree Mike, entries into Australia should have been much better scrutinised and supervised. I also see the Chinese in a different light now. That which caused the virus has to be stopped. I call it the 'Wuhan Wog'
    ray @ Bondi
    27th Mar 2020
    9:30pm
    Yes I have been saying this on Facebook from the day the government said go home and self-isolate if you have arrived from overseas, in the meantime they have bumped into a multitude of people at the airport, on public transport, or infected potentially a taxi driver who then passes it onto how many people, the government is making it up as they go, no real leadership at all.
    it costs money to enforced self-isolation from the moment the plan lands somebody has to securely move the people and the libs are only interested in keeping the rich.
    Hoohoo
    29th Mar 2020
    7:56pm
    QLD have closed their border to NSW, BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY! So we have Gold Coast surfers doing day trips to Byron, Lennox Head and Ballina (where there is less infection than in SE QLD) and then they're allowed to meander back home to QLD, willy nilly!

    Again, stupid mixed messages! It's OK if QLD spreads it to us but it's not OK (or likely) the other way round. And you should see them, shaking hands (because they are ignorant and they're tough and they think this is what real men should do). Of course, they are healthy and if they catch it they believe it's no big drama to them. They've never learnt to think or consider others less fortunate than themselves.
    Incognito
    29th Mar 2020
    7:59pm
    Which is why we should be isolating those who are vunerable and with pre-existing conditions and not the whole country. We could spend more money caring for elderly and support them more.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    1:28pm
    I agree in theory Incognito, but it should've happened months ago. That rabid cat is well and truly out of the bag.

    And how could it REALLY work, practically? The staff also be isolated? Their children also be isolated? Who is going to care for their children? Sending them to school is not a solution - in fact, it's ridiculous!
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    4:50pm
    Yes, Mike, letting those people loose was a monumental cock-up!

    And almost as worrying, we had the federal Liberal govt blaming the State Liberal govt for it, leaving everyone thinking we have no confidence in any of these clowns. Right at the time we are looking at our leaders for some sort of stability. I keep on remembering what happened in the novel "The Day Of The Triffids", which was utter chaos and anarchy - survival of the most violent.

    If we ever needed strong and sensible leadership, it is now.
    leek
    27th Mar 2020
    4:58pm
    You can lead a horse to water- You cannot make them drink.
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    5:06pm
    Silver lining! I was hoping it was going to be about how we can build a better cleaner world, to see how Venice now has clean water and fish have returned shows how much damage tourists are doing, need to limit visitors in one area at a time so everyone who does spend that much money to go can actually enjoy it when they get there and not fight through hoards of people. Also the environment is loving it, less CO2 emissions is good for the planet.
    I know my mum still does not want to embrace technology, telcos of course are hoping that older people will jump on their money making schemes. Have not heard a peep out of them except I got a bonus from Amaysim extra 10 gb, yet my sister on the same plan got 60gb, anyone else get any bonus data?
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:09pm
    Yep. Vodaphone.
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    8:32pm
    Oh yeah forgot, I got 5 gb extra on my mobile broadband with vodafone.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    5:05pm
    You're right, Incognito. All those grounded jets and moored cruise liners (flying and floating fuel-guzzling petri dishes, IMHO), are reducing our emissions so Scumbo may be right, we'll meet our emissions in a canter AND we mightn't even need to use our Kyoto school certificate results to help matriculate for our Paris HSC.
    Pete
    27th Mar 2020
    5:17pm
    As an 81yoa oldie I lack the technological skills to be able to benefit from todays advanced methods of communication. Nor do I have anyone to teach me. Where do I go from here?
    Triss
    27th Mar 2020
    6:21pm
    There are lots of little tech lessons, [free] on the internet.
    greenie
    27th Mar 2020
    6:36pm
    Pete you seem to be doing well as you are here now.
    Look at youtube, it is free, search for 'r/prorevenge' or 'r/entitledparents' or 'r/malicious compliance'. You will have an infinite time of fun.
    Also if you don't find these funny just browse around and there are limitless other interesting items.
    If you are interested in history, google search for 'the diary of Samuel Pepys'. Each day it will show you the diary he wrote for the same day back in 1666 with comments by readers, to which you can contribute if you wish.
    Look at APOD (Astronomy Picture of the Day) which shows a view of the night sky with an explanation of the sight.
    Best wishes for lots of interesting times.
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:11pm
    And yet here you are Pete. Using technology for advanced methods of communication.
    Rosret
    28th Mar 2020
    7:41am
    KSS you talk of items of food on the selves and people who can use their communication devices. You must live in the city. I was amazed at how many people don't have the internet and life is a week to week subsistence.
    This time may be nice or the 40 years olds on a guaranteed income. Its very tough times ahead for so many many people.
    I did hear a drought stricken farmer won $80 million in a power ball lottery. Now that is a golden lining!
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    1:36pm
    Pity the farmer who won the money can't go out and spend it, only buy shares while the prices are down.
    What about the remote farmers who usually buy in bulk and cannot because the supermarkets won't allow and they drive up to 8 hours to do their shopping?
    Hoohoo
    29th Mar 2020
    8:12pm
    I have had two Zoom online meetings this week (one with my choir and one with school friends) plus a wine party with friends on Facebook Messenger video.

    The choir was not successful from the singing point of view but many of the older participants who are in self-isolation were SO stoked to see and hear friendly faces. It was wonderful, so we ended up mainly chatting. The "host" had the ability to mute people so he could be heard.

    But the Zoom with old school friends this afternoon (we have a private Facebook page, unrelated to Zoom) ,was better because we didn't use the mute and luckily we are polite, so people didn't talk over each other. The idea is you put your hand up if you wish to speak, then others keep quiet until there's a gap. The Zoom App is free to join, as is Facebook Messenger video.
    Farside
    30th Mar 2020
    4:25pm
    if you are tapping away on here Pete then you are already well on your way. Visit beconnected.esafety.gov.au
    double j
    27th Mar 2020
    5:26pm
    I would love a silver lining that reduced the government reverse mortgage Scheme interest rate to 0.75% to 2.5%. Then I would seriously consider taking it on !!
    casey
    27th Mar 2020
    5:27pm
    I have, (according to my doctor) a serious lung complaint and was due to go in for surgery, until the coronavirus. Now that is all off, yes a silverlining alright.
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:12pm
    Clearly you have been assessed as being able to wait a bit longer. There are obviously people worse off than you right now who will still be treated.
    casey
    28th Mar 2020
    7:26am
    KSS. In case you havn't noticed anyone over retirement age is always bumped down the list in favour of younger people regardless of their condition!
    Rosret
    28th Mar 2020
    7:51am
    Hang in there Casey. Do everything to keep those lungs as healthy as possible. Were you given breathing exercises to strengthen the lungs and improve air intake.

    Apart from staying away from literally everyone make sure your house is very clean without using toxic chemicals. Clear surfaces and put away all ornaments that gather dust. Keep your windows open as much as possible and make sure the windows are clean as well.

    Wash all you bedding (including top covers) frequently.

    Viruses cling to surfaces so its important for you to keep healthy.
    Also - eat as healthily as you can so your immune system is strong.

    Shop with gloves and mask from now on. ( Sorry for sounding motherly) Thinking of you. :)
    casey
    28th Mar 2020
    8:30am
    Thankyou for that Rosret
    Chris B T
    28th Mar 2020
    11:46am
    You were "bumped" to Preserve Precious Resources, as there is not enough PPE or Medical equipment or One Time Use Medical Supplies available.
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    1:38pm
    Starting to sound like me Rosret always telling people to get rid of chemicals in the home and eat healthy. I am also suggesting people take Vitamin c, d and zinc all which boost your immunity, should do this every autumn/winter or all year if you are not getting enough of those nutrients.
    Hoohoo
    29th Mar 2020
    8:00pm
    Take proper care, casey. And please instruct all your friends and family to stay away if they don't know the rules that will keep you safe.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    5:20pm
    My sister teaches a therapy called "The James Method", which involves breathing exercises, massage and posture training, among other things. It is designed for asthmatics and people with respiratory problems. She has treated children with asthma, disabled children in wheelchairs, elite athletes, adults and seniors, with wonderful results, including many clients coming off puffer medication for life.

    It's a 14-day course designed to break old habits of breathing, standing and sitting, while receiving therapies to help open up the chest cavity.
    Incognito
    30th Mar 2020
    9:58pm
    That is interesting Hoohoo not heard of that method but did recently read up on the Alexander Technique, who was suppressed by the medical industry for years, he fronted up at the board and they told him to go away even though he could prove he had 100s of success cases.
    Hoohoo
    31st Mar 2020
    8:33pm
    How often do you hear this, hey? A successful, helpful treatment that's scuppered. And why? because pharmaceutical companies can't get a piece of the action!

    My sister was taught the James Method by Dr James daughter, Nina, who is now 98 years old and regularly dances, paints, flirts and drums with her nursing home friends in Byron Bay. She is incredibly vital and amazing!
    When my sister tried to set up trials at her local Illawarra hospital, it was initially considered but never went ahead because they put so much red tape and protocols in the way, but the truth of it was they weren't prepared to spend money on trials such as this, when there were many other (drug) trials to do, backed up by Big Pharma money.

    As with so many things these days, follow the money if you want to discover the truth.
    Incognito
    31st Mar 2020
    8:56pm
    I agree HooHoo, I have been doing that for years but I get told that I do not know anything because I am not a scientist etc. Such a lovely story about Nina, did you hear about the 102 year old in Italy that got coronavirus and recovered? We should be celebrating that there are many elderly people who are healthy to the end. My dad was apart from his dementia sadly that shut everything down, he still looked healthy until the day he died.
    Blossom
    27th Mar 2020
    5:56pm
    I received a memo from my Super Company saying that there is a possibility that minimum payment % might drop. It means that if that is the Govt's decision I may have to request a higher payment.
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:16pm
    You will not be forced to withdraw a smaller amount, just you won't HAVE to withdraw the current minimum amount for your age. You would be able to continue as you are if you choose.
    Strummer
    27th Mar 2020
    5:59pm
    I live in a gated community and are in virtual lockdown. No cinema, no bowls, no gym, no cards or scrabble, no happy hour or snooker. However, one thing we are allowed to do is exercise outdoors. A few residents walk or cycle past my door every day, but the silver lining is that there are people exercising now that I've never seen exercising before. And lots of them.
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    8:34pm
    And more people are getting into gardening, got scared about food shortages so planting veggies.
    Strummer
    27th Mar 2020
    5:59pm
    I live in a gated community and are in virtual lockdown. No cinema, no bowls, no gym, no cards or scrabble, no happy hour or snooker. However, one thing we are allowed to do is exercise outdoors. A few residents walk or cycle past my door every day, but the silver lining is that there are people exercising now that I've never seen exercising before. And lots of them.
    Blossom
    27th Mar 2020
    6:02pm
    Considering the huge price increase of even in season fruit and vegetables (not just "luxury ones") is so huge people are going to struggle to afford any. How often would you pay $1.50 for one onion. Cauliflowers were $8.00. Frozen Vegetables are snap frozen when they reach the factory. "fresh??" have often been stored in coolrooms for weeks...........but there is a shortage of frozen vegetables in a lot of places
    Triss
    27th Mar 2020
    6:23pm
    You're right, Blossom. I was stunned at the price of cauliflower and broccoli last week.
    greenie
    27th Mar 2020
    6:41pm
    We have been through drought, fire, floods and food prices were rising before this.
    This is just an unfortunate fact.
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    8:36pm
    My organic veggie and fruit supply has not gone up, though banana's was missing last week, will see what happens this week. Are people eating more all of a sudden?
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    5:56pm
    I bit the bullet and bought fresh cauli and broccoli, because they make up so many of our meals. I paid $40kg for local garlic, but it's magnificent.

    I heard a friend boasting (on line) that she had a fridge and freezer full of food. People are afraid for the future.

    Tighten ALL the borders, follow the rules, be polite and stay calm.
    Rosret
    27th Mar 2020
    6:08pm
    Leon this article only reflects the lack of comprehension of the seriousness of this pandemic.
    The age group this site is communicating with is one who is going to be most significantly affected . 20% of people over 80 who contract COVID 19 will die.
    The shops are empty of essential items so instead of being able to shop fortnightly they are having to return many times a week unnecessarily exposing themselves to the chance of catching the virus.
    All elective surgeries are cancelled. There will be more pain, more isolation and a really good chance a lot of us will die alone.
    So please remove this article - it is so out of touch with the impending situation most of us are reconciling.
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:24pm
    Not everyone on this site is aged over 80!
    casey
    28th Mar 2020
    7:23am
    Rosret, that is a very sensible response.
    Rosret
    28th Mar 2020
    7:25am
    There is no silver lining here. That's like saying it was a lovely day on the beach in Thailand before the tsunami hit. Or the nurses are really lovely in the cancer unit.
    No not all are over 80 however our medicos will have a high mortality rate of attrition. Over 60s is 3.5% at the moment.
    They are not good stats. With 40% of retirees living alone they may end up in town halls and school buildings as their final days of palliative care with no relatives to even say goodbye to them.
    Let me know when this is a silver lining!
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    1:43pm
    Major shops are closing for a month which coincides when the stimulus 2.0 comes out April 27th, it may well be all over by May. Rates of deaths from Covid 19 may be exaggerated, just because you have been diagnosed as having it in your system does not mean you died from it,you cannot die from a virus it causes other complications which you die from, whether it be your heart giving out etc. If someone dies from anything now and they have had a previous positive test of covid 19 then they are marked down as dying from it.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    6:06pm
    That MAY be true, Incognito, but the very people who are spreading this terrible thing are the same people looking for any excuse to flout the rules.
    So there is no silver lining, even if you and your loved ones survive. But you will feel the pain of your friends and families who are seriously affected, even in the short term with mental illness issues and the knowledge that old people will die without their families holding their hands.
    Meanwhile, it's murdered my business and it will never recover. My friend left her gorgeous, precious Mum last week thinking "I may never see her face again."
    Triss
    27th Mar 2020
    6:32pm
    Now we've seen how devastating a crisis like this is for the older age group we need government to stop putting their heads in the sand and employ more nursing staff in care homes and make sure that safety and nutritious foods are also top priority.
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    8:38pm
    I agree with the nutritious food, Maggie Beer is working on it. Could not believe the crap they served my dad before he died after years of eating his own home grown veggies.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    6:11pm
    The food is enough to kill you in some of these places. Foul and disgusting! Frozen, processed to within an inch of its life with added salt and sugar and then delivered in a plastic, disposable bowl. YUK!

    What's the point of a dietician ticking the red and green veggie box, when the food is so salty or so sweet that it's inedible? It's a joke. They have no right to tick the box if the patient can't eat it.
    disillusioned
    27th Mar 2020
    6:39pm
    I find the social isolation most depressing! I live on my own, and all my social activities, gym, church, meeting friends, etc, I can no longer do. I walk up to the shops each day for exercise and just to know that I live in a community, but I am not sick with the virus, just sliding into the depression I have battled with for many years, and all was going well until this happened! Had the government been more vigilant earlier, checking overseas tourists, cruise ship paasaengers, etc. for this virus, these measures would not have had to be so stringent A case of too much, too late, I think! Silver lining - well instead of being pushed in front of, I now get plenty of personal space!
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:46pm
    We just have to get more creative in the way we connect with others.

    We used to talk on the telephone. Do it again now.

    We used to write letters. The post office is an essential service that will not be locked down, so write to someone and ask them to write back to you.

    You can follow church services on line if that is what you enjoy, there are on-line classes you can join in to stay fit (walking to the shops is good too).

    You can set up an online group via say skype and arrange a group meeting for wine o'clock. you will be able to chat in real time and also see each other.

    There are many ways to continue to do the things you enjoy and maintain contact with friends. we just have to think about it differently.
    Rosret
    28th Mar 2020
    7:30am
    Me too. I can't believe I am enjoying listening to the sound of the school children practicing their songs and the builders still hammering away close by.
    TV is just awful and I find I am watching 30 year old shows for something more light hearted.
    I am missing my family so much and this is just the beginning.
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    1:44pm
    Lucky you I have mini bikes and screaming next door, and dad is who is home makes the most noise. (Slight exaggeration because it is normally very quiet around here).
    Keep talking to your family on the phone Rosret, a phone call a day helps.
    Hoohoo
    30th Mar 2020
    6:15pm
    Watch or record wonderful movies, free to air, on SBS's channel 32. Only some have sub-titles. They're on 24 hours a day and are rotated for a week or more, then new movies are rotated. There are children's movies, too.
    Hoohoo
    2nd Apr 2020
    5:57pm
    And watch Bluey, an Australian children's program that just won an award. It's wonderful, fun, uplifting, amusing and entertaining, even for adults. And it's Australian! Our voices.
    miker
    27th Mar 2020
    6:41pm
    Please read this article, well worth your time. To read, simply click on the link below and it will automatically transfer you to the article

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/opinion-post/logic-the-first-casualty/
    miker
    27th Mar 2020
    6:44pm
    Correction, you will have to copy the link to your browser
    Incognito
    27th Mar 2020
    9:05pm
    Fantastic article thank you for sharing I have been posting many similar articles on the topic "Virus from China" go have a look Miker, you will need to go through each page and find my posts. Many interesting articles that do not appear on mainstream media.
    I for one prefer to believe virologists than politicians. Someone who knows how viruses work, I have had my suspicions all along, but if we do what we have to do then the "data" that politicians are making decisions by will go the way we want to stop this madness.

    Please read the article that Miker posted everyone! I will post it on the other topics.
    Hoohoo
    2nd Apr 2020
    7:19pm
    They didn't have enough tests to test everyone who should've been tested. They wasted a heap on freaked out old people initially, instead of rationing them for those who were likely to be carriers/spreaders.

    I should've been tested but was refused, based on certain criteria that relied on "yes" or "no" questions, like "Have you been in contact with someone who's been overseas in the last two weeks or someone who has been diagnosed?" The true answer was "I don't know" but I wasn't given that option. I said I'd been through Coolangatta airport later the same day as the Iranian beauty therapist went through. She was diagnosed positive but I only learned this way after the fact. I had been at a family reunion in Sydney, where most of the people there had flown up from Melbourne. Some are married to non-Australians, who regularly visit their home country. It didn't matter - they had no test for me.

    They tested the wrong people and then ran out of tests and THAT is why I didn't get tested, despite having symptoms.
    Incognito
    2nd Apr 2020
    7:54pm
    The testing methods themselves are questionable anyway. Still wondering how the virus got into the aged care center where 4 people have died, no one has said anything about that.
    Hoohoo
    3rd Apr 2020
    7:20pm
    And when there's a bug going around, the last place I want to go is a doctor's waiting room, full of sick people.

    The reason I wanted a test was because a local clinic was doing car park tests, but they said I hadn't been to their normal clinic in the last 12 months, so they refused me.
    mr.auspicious
    27th Mar 2020
    7:18pm
    The most important upside is that medical science will probably take a " quantum leap
    forward " to enable a vaccine to be urgently developed,tested and distributed.
    However, this will not assist anyone who unfortunately contracts the coronavirus strain
    beforehand.........

    Technology - great if you are interested and are prepared to commit to the necessary
    capital outlay. Prices can vary considerably, so shop around via the internet. If you are
    unable to do so, you'll probably need expert assistance. Visit your nearest JB HiFi store
    and they'll be happy to assist - assuming the store hasn't been closed to contain the
    epidemic.

    More importantly, to survive until a vaccine is distributed you will require sustenance.
    Notwithstanding measures taken by grocery chains to maintain supplies, there is still
    much empty shelving space. I've been fortunate to secure a supply of toilet paper -
    won't make a great deal of difference when basic food necessities are not available for
    purchase or are strictly rationed.

    I happened to be at my local supermarket and they had pallets of diced tomatoes at a
    price of $1.40. However stocks of ( essentially ) the same product usually costing
    0.60 - 0.65 seem to be scarce as rocking horse excrement. Draw your own conclusion.

    We are told that there are no shortages in the food supply chain - from my observation
    the value for money items have become hard to come by. I refuse to believe that " those
    in need " have emptied the shelves entirely. Draw your own conclusion as why the " value
    for money " food items have become another casualty in this unfortunate situation.......
    KSS
    27th Mar 2020
    7:51pm
    Everyone on this site already has the technology they need to stay in touch. No need for extra expense unless you want to spend more.

    There were tins of diced and whole tomatoes in my local supermarket today ranging in price from about 80c - $2.60 for all organic certified vegan smarty pants brand!

    In fact whilst there were still gaps on the shelves, there was more product such as tissues, canned goods even some toilet paper and kitchen paper. Supplies look like they are catching up with demand.
    GoldenOldie
    27th Mar 2020
    7:18pm
    The silver lining might be, now that thousands more have experienced using Centrelink with all its 'inefficiencies' , that system might be radically improved, or preferably, replaced with a simpler and truly user-friendly system.
    cupoftea
    28th Mar 2020
    1:17am
    I have been reading and you must all know a Capitalist is not there to make friends they are there to make MONEY you show me an honest one and I show you a liar
    *Loloften*
    28th Mar 2020
    4:51am
    We Seniors/BabyBoomers have had so much more to adapt to egs:-
    - WW2, often relocating as 2-4yr olds with parents who didn't speak English
    - living in someone's backyard bungalow close to where ship disembarked. Many Europian then refugees where shipped to Port Melbourne., no heating/cooling/bathrm/cooking facilities, (approx 12' x 12') as just 2-4yr olds whilst our Dads worked their butts off ( @ Commonwealth Aircraft company in Fisher's Bend back then/welcoming any overtime hrs, whilst scrimping & saving for a home deposit -no /dady/Chistmas celebrations, just kissed & hugs.
    - young loved ones (my eventual hubby)/brothers/sons/grandkids living in anxiety waiting/watching to hear "random ball drops" of their birthdates which then forceablely drafted to Vietnam War.
    - 17% bank interest rates on home loans/18% on Investment propeties
    - no Child Care subsidies
    - no 1st Home Buyers subsidies
    - no Child Care subsidies
    - depletion of our meagre Superannuation (didn't start 'til many of us were in our early 40s, then only 2%)
    - GFC, often exactly when many of us wanted to finally retire, & the list goes on & on & on.
    I think this pandemic may sadly be just our world needs ie:forcing all our current Pollies to finally make hard decisions/think abt all of their long-suffering constintuents/the future/forget abt bragging abt their surpluses, themselves et al.
    This pandemic cannot compare to what our parents/grandparents were forced to cope with, & was instilled in us - may be eye-opening/learning for the our younger generations. especially all our Pollies.
    Incognito
    28th Mar 2020
    1:47pm
    Yes far too many people have suffered and we need to make the world a better place for all, no one is thinking of the millions stuck in refugee camps with no hope at returning to their home lands, what conditions are they in?
    Hairy
    28th Mar 2020
    10:11pm
    Yes phone sales companys get the silver.
    Oxleigh
    29th Mar 2020
    2:51pm
    What about the wingers in the hotels in lock down at the moment, they have technology to use, it seems th be the younger ones using it to complain about the conditions, I say take away their tech and let them do their lock down without stirring up a media frenzy and get on with it.
    The older ones need supporting with this tech and this will help them to stay calm.
    I am sure if they are well traveled they know how to use the communications for their own benefit not to try ad get more sympathy.
    Mootnell
    31st Mar 2020
    2:03pm
    for the last two years, I've been following the Government web site and watching all the changes being made to our laws, often outside our constitution. All this aided and abetted by the media and government expert in the art of deflection and divide and conquer.
    Australians you have been well and truly shafted by government and the banking authority. they have bought in the 'bail in law' and attempting to get in financial movement laws, banks have changed terms and conditions so they are no longer liable for loss or the taking of your savings, and on it goes. It's our own fault we have been trained to be lazy researchers. The "I'm all right Jack" has been fostered and used against you. Right down to making sure you no longer use cash. (heads up the virus survive on plastic and paper and yet they hand you receipts. its a joke, all the world economies have been tanking and if you believe this has not been a world orchestrated mess then you're a dill.
    Incognito
    31st Mar 2020
    9:15pm
    I have had my suspicions it has all been planned and I am too worried about what deals are going on behind closed doors while we are only hearing about the virus, if it was not planned then why did we not close our boarders or at lease test every single person that was coming back or into Australia back in January? That is what keeps playing in my head.
    Hoohoo
    2nd Apr 2020
    7:26pm
    Trump is trying to get the EPA to let polluting companies (not just carbon, but toxic chemicals), be allowed to regulate themselves. It's like letting pedophile priests look after the boarders' dormitory. Foxes in the henhouse. Like letting wolves shepherd the lambs.

    All this happening while people are stressed and distracted by covid-19. Watch out for these opportunists. We know they only care about how much money they can make and fuck you silly people/losers.
    Incognito
    2nd Apr 2020
    7:51pm
    Yes Hoohoo a lot of behind the scenes deals are happening, no people out to protest helps them achieve their goals.

    31st Mar 2020
    4:56pm
    This is for everybody, religious and non-religious as it affects us all.
    Truly worth listening to:
    https://cldup.com/cBg5rYvqlg.mp3

    Your government can now legally kill Christians; https://threader.app/thread/1185304168862490625
    Hoohoo
    6th Apr 2020
    7:24pm
    I'm not looking. You're a nuisance.

    Probably a scam peeps, so don't click on the links.


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