Cashless welfare card to roll out to a third region

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Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has declared the Federal Government’s cashless welfare card trials a “success” and “an exercise in compassion and in love”.

A third trial is already planned for another region in Western Australia.  

A reduction in alcohol consumption, illegal drug use and gambling are just some of the reasons behind the Federal Government advocating the cashless welfare card.

“Almost half of all drinkers are drinking less, almost half of all gamblers are gambling less and the same with the drug users,” said Human Services Minister Alan Tudge.

A 300-page report released last Friday revealed that the card had considerable positive effects on both the Ceduna and Kununurra communities. As a result, a third trial site has already been chosen in Western Australia’s Goldfields region.

However, the report showed that one third of participants felt that their lives had worsened with the welfare card system and only 17 per cent of participants felt their children’s lives had improved.

WA Council of Social Services Chief Louise Giolitto said the trials of the cards had shown mixed results and the cards carried negative connotations.

“What you are finding is that people who have addictions, alcohol addictions, they’ll sell the cards that maybe are worth $200 for $100 and they are leaving themselves with a lot less cash,” said Ms Giolitto.

The Federal Government said that trials of the welfare card would be region by region instead of an entire country roll-out.

What do you think of the welfare card? Should it be rolled out faster nationwide or is the Federal Government taking the right course of action in slowly rolling out the welfare card?

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    Obviously for people who have trouble managing their money but should be a choice for anyone else like age pensioners who are on welfare permanently. Otherwise it becomes an invasion of privacy

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      How is it an Invasion of Privacy?

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      This is just another step closer to getting rid of social security by this government. The Dole has not gone up since 1996 because it is meant to be used to look for work. The Cashless Welfare Card is not a success because crime has risen because of it. Australia needs a Cashless Welfare Card for our politicians.

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      Agree Jackie.

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      Jackie has the crime rate increased? I did wonder if it would be a resulting effect.
      However, I am not opposed to the welfare bill managed payout. The women and children of these areas are glad of the restrictions. They want food, clothes and a place to live.
      Without alcohol and drugs ruling their lives they may have a future.

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      Its an invasion of privacy Mr Knowall because there will be a record of everything you spend your money on. The same as any credit card except the government will have the record.

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      Charlie they already know what you spend your money on so what will change? My bank gives me a breakdown every month on what I spend money on. If you have a rewards card haven’t you noticed that they emails are very selective in what they want you to buy?

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      This program and this article are about cashless welfare cards for job-seekers who should be looking for jobs but may not be due to drug or alcohol dependency. Totally irrelevant for Age Pensioners.

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      Plenty of folk have suggested it should be extended to ALL welfare recipients, George, and given the huge profit it yields to LNP politicians and their mates and the massive donations to the LNP that result from its extended use, you can be sure the government will try damned hard to make the card universal for all pensioners.

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      Just one more reason why the OAP, should never be referred to as welfare.
      If it applies to one true welfare recipient, it should apply to all, my main original concern was that it just wouldn’t work, it appears I was wrong so now I say yes utilize it, but apply it to all people who receive welfare.
      That does not apply to Pensioners as they are receiving welfare, they are getting nothing that they have not earned.

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      PS OAPs have not earned their welfare at all as it has nothing to do with how much you earned or how much tax you paid. It is nothing more than welfare given to those who have failed to provide themselves with a means of support.

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      OG, if you studied history, you would know you are completely WRONG WRONG WRONG. The OAP was intended to be paid to all and was paid for by a special tax levy. If not stolen, the accumulated funds contributed SPECIFICALLY TO FUND THE OAP AND FOR NOTHING ELSE, would enable payment of $500 weekly to EVERY RETIREE in Australia today. The OAP was specifically declared a RIGHT and NEVER TO BE REGARDED AS WELFARE. Sadly, greedy corrupt politicians just couldn’t resist the temptation to steal.

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      Rainey that was just that history and have nothing to do with what Is happening now. If you really want a history lesson each person over retirement age would have got mere pennies fro that old tax levy as there are simply too many of them living too long now. OAP is not a right but welfare and nothing more.

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      Wrong again, OG. If the fund hadn’t been abused by corrupt politicians, there would be enough to pay EVERY RETIREE TODAY $500 a week. OAP is NOT welfare. It was declared an ENTITLEMENT and to remain an universal entitlement forever, as this was acknowledged to be the only DECENT way for a society to function. What is happening now is WRONG on every level. It reflects disgusting contempt for the contribution our aged made to society, and gross indecency by greedy, selfish people who have no morals or integrity.

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    You can’t control people’s lives.There are many people out there that have social issues(drugs alcohol smoking ect).Education is possibly one answer but there are still people out there that do not have the fortitude to keep their bad habits under control.
    I honestly don’t know the answer and I certainly don’t propose that I do.
    I think if this card becomes spread across all pension classes then I think it’s akin to communism.
    Again I don’t have an answer and I’m happy to read the opinion of others.
    What do other readers think?

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      It is not communism.
      No one wants to take away people’s freedom. However, we don’t want women beaten and children wandering the streets at night. – and that is happening!
      Families want to get their lives back and they want to feel safe. It isn’t their money – its the taxpayers and it is needed to be used wisely, not to exacerbate a social welfare nightmare.
      Would you give your kids $300 if you knew they were just going to blow it on drugs and alcohol? – every week. I suggest you wouldn’t. You would pay for their education, their clothes and give them food and a place to sleep. That is all the government is doing on a larger scale.

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      Freedom comes with responsibility but unfortunately those on welfare have no responsibility.

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      Chummy, as noted above in my earlier post this program is “Totally irrelevant for Age Pensioners.”, so don’t worry about it.

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      Again, George, that’s a naïve statement. Don’t be too sure. The profit motive is powerful.

      Rosret, you are sadly misinformed if you think the card will stop women being beaten and children wandering the streets at night. All the card is doing is ripping money out of the welfare system to line LNP coffers instead. Of course we wouldn’t give kids $300 to blow on alcohol or drugs, but you can’t stop an addict except by education and support. Punishment and restrictions makes them worse – every time! No money to buy a ”fix”? They will beat the wife and kids out of frustration, or sell the card and leave the family starving. Only a gullible fool believes you can stop them by taking cash away.

      OG, your comment is vile and disgusting! MOST people on welfare are responsible. It’s a minority that are not. People fall on hard times for all kinds of reasons. There are far more irresponsible people NOT on welfare – and many of them are ripping off the nation far worse than any welfare recipient ever could, with obscene salaries for doing stuff-all and stealing benefits or engaging in corruption – like the LNP and the company behind the cashless welfare card.

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      Rainey, no my statement is not naive, just a statement of fact. I know there are plenty of right-wing extremists, including trolls on this site, trying to confuse the purpose of this card and also trying to attack pensioners by arbitrarily expanding on the coverage of this card whereas the Govt explicitly excluded pensioners. Of course, the Labor-types would also use scare campaigns to confuse people to oppose the Liberal Govt. Hence my attempt was simply to keep the record straight for those who may not be across the detail, and avoid unnecessary angst for some from all the misinformation being dished out.

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      George, given the profits the LNP and Indue owners are making from the card, I am sure the LNP WILL extend It as far as they can. And if you believe their ”explicit exclusion of pensioners” you have a very short memory. Remember ”no changes to pensions”? How long did that last?

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    Charities, such as St Vincent de Paul, Victoria have supplied cashless cards to needy persons for many years. The cards are exchanged in the major supermarkets for food, with alcohol and smokes specifically excluded from purchase. There are occasions where the cards are sold for cash, usually below there face value, however, the practice is not common and most recipients enjoy the full benefits of the cards which have proven to be a real help to those in need.
    The cash cards are paid for by donations from perhaps more affluent people however, the donors have some rights to expect that their gifts are used appropriately and any limitations on usage are fair and reasonable.
    To my mind the same principles apply to the Government cards. Tax payers fund welfare in the belief that recipients use it to support their well-being, not fund a lifestyle of drinking, gambling etc. Nothing wrong with these activities if done in moderation, but why should the taxpayer pay for the entertainment of others?
    I would make the use of cash cards universal, for all welfare recipients, who will get some cash anyway, so that tax payers are not investing in alcoholism, substance abuse or rampant gambling at the expense of feeding and clothing recipients and their children.

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      Well said mIKER.

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      I agree with you miKER that the cash card should be applied to all welfare recipients.
      I don’t like the idea that my taxes from my hard-earned income is being used to fund a lifestyle of smoking, drinking, gambling and drug use.
      Welfare benefits are primarily there to fund the 3 most basic needs: food, clothing and shelter.

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      The cashless card will put less demand on those charities so they can help people a lot more.

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      I agree OG but I do have concerns about the costs involved in managing the card and the profits going to the LNP and a few mates. I’m paying taxes for all this and wonder if the $4000 management cost of each card is good value.

      As an investor I’d buy shares in it if I could though as it seems like a recipe to print government money to me. Plus the kickbacks from businesses included in the approved stores must be nice to have.

      A not for profit management of the cards would have allowed far less corruption.

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      Rae as an investment I would not touch it simply because the cost per person will be very little when all those on welfare including OAPs have been given the card.

      Funny thing is that $4000 management fee keeps changing too.

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      Good point Old Geezer about the cashless welfare card putting less demand on charities.

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      Oh David, surely you don’t believe that rubbish? What do you think needy people do when the family alcoholic or gambler sells the card for peanuts, or the money runs out fast because they can’t use the card at cheaper local venues but have to travel or pay higher prices to shop where it’s accepted. There have been vast numbers of complaints of people having to drive long distances to find stores that will accept it, and having to pay premium price for goods because discount stores won’t accept it. Charity stores are even rejecting it – barring people from buying cheap second-hand clothes and furniture.

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      Rainey even charities will accept the card as they will lose too much by not accepting it. Only places that wont accept it are grog shops if more than a certain amount is spent on grog.

      How can you sell you card? Centrelink will soon wise up if you “lose” too many cards. More likely you will have to buy stuff and resell it for cash. Not much money in that.

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      Obviously you don’t live in the real world, OG. If you did, you would know that addicts ALWAYS find a way around stupid misguided restrictions. Did you not study the Prohibition? You really are dumb to think bashing people when they are down does any good. There are ways to help addicts as well as other irresponsible folk, but it is NOT by imposing more hardship.

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    There is no compassion or love here. It’s treating all welfare recipients as drug users and alcoholics which just isn’t true. It’s a callus attempt by the government to shame and marginalise welfare recipients. Another liberal policy the people of Australia should be ashamed of.

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      Totally agree Tib. Wonder who did the survey to say it’s working, don’t believe these results. Too soon to know.

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      Bid whatever data is collected will be used to support the policy and anyone who complains will be considered an angry drug user. The liberals won’t be happy until we have a system like the US that only supports the wealthy.

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      Bid, Orima Research did the evaluation (www.orima.com) and you can read the entire report here:

      https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/08_2017/cashless_debit_card_trial_evaluation_-_final_evaluation_report.pdf

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      Thanks KSS I had a quick look but I didn’t find anything particularly incourageing in the report. I m also not sure any advantages achieved in aboriginal communities can be applied to the rest of the nation.

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      Why Tib? Are Aboriginal people somehow different to the rest of the population? If you think so, in what way?

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      Inhabitants of certain Aboriginal communities ARE different to the rest of the population, KSS. Aboriginals traditionally don’t place any value on money or material possessions and don’t understand the capitalist model. They tend to give money and things away freely and many think it’s okay to just take what you want. This is not a fault. It’s just that in the traditional native society, money and things have no meaning or value, and many Aboriginals have not acquired an understanding of the way the white man values money and possessions. Also, Aboriginals tend to have a greater propensity to have problems with alcohol. Again, that’s not a criticism or discriminatory comment. It’s just a fact of their makeup and history.
      Personally, I think their appreciation of earth and nature and their tradition of sharing and caring makes them superior to the white man. But it also presents a challenge when governments want to force them to adapt to the white man’s way of life and live according to our rules.

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    I agree with you mIKER except for the age pensioners.

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      Florian the government won’t be happy until all welfare recipients are buying their groceries with what amounts to a shame card. What makes you think disability and age pensions will be exempt.

      Many people are happy if this happens to someone else but not them. When you line up for your shame card don’t forget your drug test.

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      The age pension is different to social welfare as a pensioner has supposedly contributed in the form of taxes throughout their life to a cache the government has set aside and invested wisely. (hahaha)
      Nevertheless, an option for some elderly would be very helpful as they are easily conned by phone call sprucking charities, and irrational spending when dementia starts to set in.

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      Rosret I doubt many pensioners would agree with you when they find they can never buy a bottle of wine ever again.

      By the way you can see from many people writing for the right on this site they see the old age pension as welfare not an entitlement which is the view of the present government so good luck with that.

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      Looks like the current government has got something right then.

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      Tib – pensioners can’t afford a bottle of wine.
      This move isn’t intended for pensioners though – its a about abuse of social welfare money.

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      Florgan, as noted above in my earlier post this program is “Totally irrelevant for Age Pensioners.”, so don’t worry about it, and ignore the right-wing trolls on this forum some of whom may be paid by Liberal party to propagate their views.

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      It will not apply to pensioners as they are not welfare recipients. If this government tries to turn Pensioners into welfare recipients they should be voted out by them at the next election. What will they come up with next, make Self Funded Retirees welfare recipients so that they can control our money?
      They are already attempting to do so by trying to restrict the way we can draw and use our Super Entitlements.

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      ”No changes to pensions”, ex PS. Don’t ever trust this mob of lying, cheating, corrupt power-mongers. At $4000 per person per annum, they’ll extend the scheme as far as they possibly can.

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    For many years now money has been thrown at the aboriginal problem, very few of the solutions have had long term success, I suspect this is another solution that won’t work long term. Without making excuses for people that are on long term benifits, there must be a better way, what that is I don’t know, but education and some meaning in life has to be the starting point, there needs to be greater input from responsible indigenous leaders, not from some of the bleeding heart greenies and some of the left and right wing agitators.

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      You are so right, Dim. Aboriginals have a different view of the world and material things. No amount of white man interference trying to police their lifestyle will ever work. It’s cruel and inhuman. And this corrupt government is using this cruelty to make immoral profit. It’s sick!

      The solution has to come from the Aboriginal leaders, but sadly many of them also milk the system for their own benefit, and activists drive demands for more and more huge handouts that only exacerbate problems.

      The cruellest thing the white man has ever done is offer monetary handouts to Aboriginals. It keeps them down. But a welfare card is worse. It’s still a monetary handout, but in a form that deprives the recipient of their self-respect and their freedom to strive to manage their life better and benefit from doing so.

      But the LNP supporters will continue to applaud this disgusting rort that is milking the economy to line the pockets of LNP politicians and their mates and to keep donations to the LNP flowing.

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    Well done the government.

    And as for all you grizzlers and naysayers, if I needed welfare assistance what matter if it is free cash in hand or a cashless credit card – it is the access to help that matters.

    But then, I am not a druggie, alcoholic or bleeding heart demanding free cash (my & your taxes being wasted) for nothing and entirely without responsibility.

    And to read that these people are on selling their cashless card for some cash just illustrates that that this system is no where near secure enough – tighten it up government.

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      So you are content for the LNP to rip more than $3.2 billion out of the welfare, education and health budgets to give to Indue, run by their mates, in return for donations to the LNP? You are happy for $4000 per annum per recipient to be paid to Indue instead of going to reduce government debt or improve services? You approve of corruption, Not a Bludger?

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      What a lot of rubbish Rainey!

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      You are rubbish, OG. Can’t make a sensible comment. Just sweeping generalizations, contradictions, and nastiness. Unlike you, I quoted FACTS.

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    Seems like the ‘do-gooders’ here want to keep people in alcoholic stupors, feeding poker machines then going home to beat up the wife and kids.

    Unless you are a nosy-parker, how do you know that the card the person in front of you at the checkout is using is a ‘welfare card’ and not a debit or credit card just like you? There is NO shame in using these cards at all except from people like those who keep telling them they should be ashamed!

    Yes there will be people who abuse the system and sell their cards for drink or drugs. They were using their welfare for those things before the card. But you simply can’t ignore that by all measures the effect of these welfare cards on individuals, families and the trial communities has been has been positive.

    The full report is here for those who would like to see it for themselves:
    https://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/08_2017/cashless_debit_card_trial_evaluation_-_final_evaluation_report.pdf

    Let’s not forget the most basic point here. NO ONE has had a reduction of benefits. They get the same amount of money they would have got before the introduction of the cards. And they can still have up to 50% in cash (subject to the approval of the community advisory board).

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      I’m sure many good people who are unfortunate enough to be on welfare would object to you describing them as being in a drunken stupor feeding poker machines.
      Your unpleasant personality and prejudice is showing. I remember when Australia was a much nicer place and people had more compassion for those doing it tough. Now we have this.

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      Tib’s definition of nicer place is where bludgers can rob the taxpayer blind

      Tell us what exactly you see wrong with the card scheme Tib’s

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      Raphael read my other posts.

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      Tib you are completely wrong about me. The evidence from the trial communities show a decrease in alcohol consumption, arrests for drunken behaviour (the dry out tanks), a serious drop in poker machine receipts and drops in domestic violence all up around the 50% mark. And School attendance was up and hospital visits as a result of violence down! The results even exceeded those expected by that devised the card system. The 7% who said their children were worse off related almost in total to people saying they couldn’t give the kids money!

      And you want to keep things as they were BEFORE the welfare card!

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      The INDUE cashless welfare card is designed in such a way that if you happen to be hospitalised for a while and don’t spend your welfare $, the interest gain on your money is legally owned by INDUE…..just another way the Libs and private banking can literally use the poorest people in the country to make a bit for themselves on the side.

      So NO, you ”holier than though” who want to punish people who fall on hard times – the claim that people are no worse off is WRONG. Savers lose interest on their savings and put money in the pockets of greedy LNP politicians – who donate some of that profit to the LNP to keep them in power and extend the reach of this card so their buddies make MORE PROFIT.

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      Yes Rainey INDUE is my objection point as well. This was a great idea but should have been run not for profit by a government agency in hand with a community committee. I hope some of the huge profits will find their way into charities and community services but seriously doubt it.

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      Give a person a fish and take on the responsibility for feeding them for the rest of their lives, or teach them how to fish. Which is better, how will people learn how to manage money if it is taken out of there control? Not a bleeding heart response but a practical one.
      This is not about helping people it is about trying to shame the few that abuse the system into falling into line. It will not work as these people have no shame.

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      Rainey- if you are hospitalised and dont spend the cash, then the government has housed and fed you for that period. Be thankful for the extra cash you have in your account. Treat yourself with the savings.

      As for regular “saver” on OAP – what are you complaining about? That the pension is too generous ?

      Give it back to the taxpayer then

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      ex PS – how will people learn to manage money – what a laugh
      If they havent learnt by the time they retire, then its too late. Better have it managed for them

      Its not about shame – its about helping those people , their families and the taxpayer

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      You totally missed the point Raphael, we are talking about welfare recipients, not Pensioners. Are you saying that this government is going to take away the right for Pensioners to manage their own money. If so it is just another reason for them to vote this incompetent mob out.

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      Raphael, people are on pensions and welfare because of disadvantage, illness, disability, accident, trauma, natural disaster, and a shortage of jobs. Only a very small minority are on pensions or welfare because they are irresponsible. It is cruel and vile and disgusting to suggest that all who receive pensions and welfare are incapable of managing money. The vast majority manage it very well indeed – otherwise they couldn’t survive on the pittance they receive. They DO NOT need anyone to manage it for them. They need respect and fair support. As for retirees, many never had the opportunity to acquire healthy retirement savings. Many struggled on low wages, or with health issues or disabled children, or spent heavily educating kids. Only the worst SCUM in the world speak as you do of the decent, hard-working folk who battle through life on low wages and have to retire on a pension.

      Yes, ex PS, VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT, before they totally destroy our society with their greed and cruelty.

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      Rainey most people are irresponsible with money as evidenced by the growth in credit card debt in this country. There is no way credit cards would have been profitable if people were responsible and knew how to handle money. Gambling is another thing that shows how irresponsible people are. Many people are broke at the end of the week and hanging out for their next pay pack just like most of those on welfare are. Many people are one pay pack away form bankruptcy as evidenced by the default rate on home loans when a recession hits.

      So it doesn’t matter who is in power as it has nothing to do with government at all.

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      ”Most people” is not the same as ‘people on welfare’, OG. There are far more irresponsible people on high salaries or having inherited or gifted wealth than there are struggling on miserable pensions. And if you are on a pension, you are likely to be forced to be responsible because you are unlikely to have enough to be able to afford to waste anything. And people on welfare are unlikely to have ready access to much credit. If they have credit cards at all, they will have very low credit limits to protect against default.

      I know a lot of pensioners and ALL of them are responsible money managers. I also know a lot of well-to-do people and NOT ONE OF THEM is responsible with money.

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    Why not force these card on the government, maybe that way they will stop spending beyond their means and bankrupting Australia.

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      So how would that work? You can have a new Princes Highway between Wollongong and Eden. The Defence force can have new submarines and a few fighters….
      Isn’t this how it works now? Even the treasurer never actually sees any real dollars and cents.
      PS Its not going to be government spending that causes our demise – its going to be energy prices grinding the business sector to a crushing halt.

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      Pollies already use a card that can be audited at any time.

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      RooWalk, indeed they need to review all Politician’s remuneration and remove all items which are not available for the general public, e.g. their over-generous Pensions and other perks, and also implement drug & alcohol testing to ensure they are only paid if they remain clean. That will have the major advantage by only having sober people running this country making important decisions which affect everyone.

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      Would you like to be drug and alcohol tested during your career George?
      Would you have not found it an infringement of civil liberty?
      I remember starting at a new place of work and for the first time in my working career we had to sign on and off. It made me feel horrible inside, like a pawn in the system. – they didn’t trust us as a work force.
      The next place I went to – same job – no sign in. Somehow we all got there – on time – on duty – and performing loyally as part of the team not a minion.
      Trust your workers and they will return the favour. Mistrust and they will find ways to beat the system and cause an us and them mentality.
      Hating Parliamentarians serves no one. Let them work for you. Be a lobbyist and challenge both parties to meet your needs.

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      Rosret I worked on a huge campus where everyone had to be accounted for at all times in case of lockdown or evacuation. You had to sign in and out overtime you entered or exited the site for security and safety.

      Same applied when I worked for the Australian Army. We were always signed in and out and held regular roll calls for security.

      I never felt like a pawn in the system but knew if it went pear shaped and my name wasn’t naked off a search for me would occur.

      And anyone can be drug or alcohol tested just driving on the roads.

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      ‘ marked off’ haha

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      Rosret, yes, if you are using taxpayer’s money and supposed to deliver important outcomes for the people, you have a responsibility to be absolutely clean and not affected by intoxicants. I see no problem in testing all people in such roles especially politicians who are making such rules for others. Politicians, especially in the last 30 years, have badly let down this country while significantly improving their own income & perks, and not satisfied even with that we have also had too many examples of rorters to list here. So action is needed to ensure we the people get quality MPs – maybe a recall by petition mechanism is needed, also a Federal ICAC, otherwise your suggestion is a waste of time & useless as they simply ignore the people after getting elected.

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    Fantastic
    Well done MT

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      Well done MT keep up the good work we’ll get you sacked yet.

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      And your problem with this excellent initiative is what exactky, Tib ?

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      Don’t for one minute think that Labor won’t support it as well.

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      Don’t worry guys we know Mal is not getting another term anyway. I think they should give Tony another go might as well go out with a bang. If he’s not too pissed to vote?

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      I suspect Tib’s is one of these rorters who withdraws his OAP in cash and sticks it in his safe
      Spends down his assets so he can keep getting full pension

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      Sounds like you have just found some of that 33 billion missing in $100 notes Raphael.

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      Ha ha actually I have way too much money for the OAP but I’m not bitter about like you guys. But nice try.

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      So you agree its a good mechanism to stop the rorters

      finally Tib sees some sense

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      I said nothing of the sort. You’re not making sense again. Oh dear you’re a bit of a worry.

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      So you support rorting of the dole and OAP

      Got it Tibs

      You are a worry – very un-Australian

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      And what is your opinion Raphael on the $4000 cost of the card management costing taxpayers and going to a select few and the LNP party.

      At least if the ALP get in they may end that sort depending on the contracts signed. An ICAC investigation in the future perhaps?

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      That $4000 cost is nothing but a beat up form those on social media. Funny thing is that it changes so often too.

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      Rae – the $4,000 or whatever rubbery figure you say will be more than offset by reduction in fraud, savings in other welfare expenses like health and social services and a better home environment for families

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      What rubbish, Raphael. There are no savings from this disgusting scheme. People will find ways around it just as they always have found ways around misguided and cruel government restrictions. It won’t reduce fraud. It will just compound the social problems resulting from persecution and shaming of the disadvantaged. Crime will increase. Domestic violence will increase as a result of frustration. Living costs for welfare recipients will increase as a result of reduced freedom to manage their own affairs and choose freely where to shop. Anyone who thinks there will be improvements is naïve and gullible and has no idea what life is like in the real world. You are typical of the privileged, who just don’t get the realities for those who haven’t had your opportunities.

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