DHS releases recipient’s data to contradict criticism

Centrelink releases recipient’s private information to defend itself.

DHS releases recipient’s data to contradict criticism

Centrelink has released a welfare recipient’s personal information in order to defend itself against public criticism.

Senior Government officials gave permission for Centrelink to release the details of the case after an article penned by Andie Fox, a blogger and Centrelink welfare recipient who believed she had been unfairly treated by the department, was published earlier this month.

Ms Fox wrote the article, published by Fairfax Media, to air her grievances over difficulties in dealing with the agency and receiving repeated calls from a debt collector for a debt she did not believe was hers. Her case was not part of the much-maligned robo-debt recovery program.

Over the weekend, she discovered that her personal details and claim history – some of which she says was incorrect – had been published in another Fairfax Media article titled Centrelink is an easy target for complaining but there are two sides to every story.

Her information was handed to Fairfax Media by Human Services Minister Alan Tudge. It was approved for release by a deputy secretary after the department’s legal counsel claimed that it was necessary to correct the public record.

A department spokesperson said that Centrelink is able to use personal information “for social security law or family assistance law purposes”.

“This allows the department to correct the record in cases where a person makes a public statement or complaint about the department’s handling of their welfare payments that does not accord with our records, including via the media,” she said.

“Unfounded allegations unnecessarily undermine confidence and takes staff effort away from dealing with other claims. We will continue to correct the record on such occasions.”

The department’s Secretary has discretionary power to release personal information “to such persons and for such purposes” as they see fit.

Ms Fox is questioning whether the release of this material is in breach of her privacy. She has lodged complaints with Centrelink and other departments about the breach.

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Opinion: Don’t criticise the Government

This seems a gross breach of privacy and a Goliath versus David story, but just as digraceful is that a major news outlet has helped to pull the strings on this saga.

Ms Fox’s blog-styled article discussed her specific experience with Centrelink. She stated that she’d separated from her husband and, because he didn’t lodge a tax return, she’d copped a debt notice for Family Tax Benefits she’d received in that year. She explained how difficult it was for her just to get a straight answer about her debt, as well as how dealing with the great beast of bureaucracy made it almost impossible to resolve the situation.

The Fairfax article called into question the validity of Ms Fox’s assertions, and that her debt was due to her underestimating her family income for that year.

The agency claimed that it did try to contact Ms Fox and that she was remiss in not informing it of her situation in a timely manner. And a media adviser for Alan Tudge said that if she had called the 1800 number on her debt notice, her call would have been answered immediately.

Yeah, right. How many of you have had your Centrelink calls answered immediately? How many of you have had no problems resolving a Centrelink issue?

Whatever the case, the release of Ms Fox’s personal information is simply inexcusable. Okay, so Ms Fox exposed her frustrations with the agency to the media, but how many of you wish you could do the same?

If only everyone who did have a problem with Centrelink, the Government and its related bureaucratic measures would do the same. It seems the only way to get a resolution is to expose a problem to the media. It sure got Centrelink jumping to attention.

But maybe that attention could have been turned to solving Ms Fox’s problem, instead of exposing it to the public. Does Centrelink really think that this type of action will aid its cause? Surely resolving her issue would be better PR for the department.

I suppose the moral of the story is: don’t criticise the Government. You’ll only be virtually tarred and feathered for your trouble – which is what happened to Ms Fox. And to think, this situation may have been resolved had the same energy been put into helping Ms Fox, but instead, it is only that much worse.

Do you think this is a breach of privacy? Could Centrelink have diverted its attention to helping Ms Fox and making a case for looking after the people whom it’s supposed to assist? Is it deliberately ingenuous of Government officials to claim that Centrelink calls are immediately answered?

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    Waiting to retire at 70
    28th Feb 2017
    10:34am
    Would love to comment, but too scared to do so, given Centre Link's undoubted 'Putin-style' response.
    Pass the Ductape
    28th Feb 2017
    1:55pm
    Ain't that the truth!
    maelcolium
    28th Feb 2017
    10:39am
    The Government is not immune to legal action. They have continued to overstep the boundaries of what is considered prudent, but now they have put their foot in it good and properly. Ms Fox has a clear case and I hope she takes action.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    10:46am
    Good the government can sue Ms Fox then as well.
    Rickrick
    28th Feb 2017
    12:56pm
    Here is the form to make a claim
    https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/contact-us/claiming-compensation-us
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    10:43am
    Good on the government for releasing the details for their side of the story. Way too many people are now telling the media porkies and it's about time they were exposed.
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    11:12am
    Disgraceful. Who are you? A stooge scriptwriter working for the department of Prime Minister and Cabinet?
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:15am
    No I'm just a concerned citizen who think that people are doing the wrong thing and should be caught out.
    Misty
    28th Feb 2017
    12:06pm
    Koj sorry you had to meet Old Geezer this way, other people who comment here are well aware of his jaundiced view on life and IGNORE him, way to go Koj.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:09pm
    Misty I will not be ignored by anyone when I have something to say.
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    12:22pm
    The purpose of a legal court is the western world's mechanism for addressing "people doing the wrong thing". There is a gaping difference between findings through a legal process refined over hundreds of years, and political press releases and their spawn.
    The howard disgrace regarding children overboard was an example of the lack of credibility of political releases... to serve political ends.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-07/former-sas-commander-breaks-silence-on-tampa/2785164

    If you disagree then please ask your local MP to whip up a press release stating, for example, that someone who posts as OG is actually a lesbian terrorist with a criminal record (for jaywalking at the age of 19) who is suspected to be involved in massively financing the donald trump campaign with undeclared overseas currency transactions. If the MP has reservations, just persuade him by explaining that OG has claimed to be "just a good citizen who thinks that people doing the wrong thing should be caught out", and that you have video of him letting his dog crap on your front lawn.
    If you think that australian governments should have the same rights to comeback as a real person, then politicians would be forever suing each other Malaysian style. Strangely our system has different mechanisms. Ever heard of parliamentary privilege?
    If the so called "human services" minister alan tudge had any balls he would have spoken in parliament about the matter, where he may be questioned by his peers.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:27pm
    Koj. Well I certainly have read some rubbish but that takes the cake!
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:40pm
    OG mate do not worry we all love you a lot because without you this forum will be boring and we all love to give you hips and we know you love every minute so do not worry mate give them hips ...... he he he he
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:45pm
    Koj. ..... wowowowo where U come from mate all legal and very professional wowowo with all this bull you are writing ....mate learn about this forun .....This forum is for people with more F brains than you and we all have a lot of fun so BACK OFF and join the arguments in a fun way learn from OG and others before you open your dirty gate ...... and if you do not like what I say then REPORT me ..... you are an idiot get out of here and learn before U come back
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    2:27pm
    Old Geezer - thanks for your intelligent reply. I guess Old Windbag's philosophy (given the number of his posts today, and the lack of anything meaningful in them, sounds like a good handle) is that he thinks something is only valid if he thinks of it. Anyone else's thoughts can be dismissed with a one liner about rubbish if he's unable to understand a post. Great exchange of ideas there!!

    "Aussie" If the way someone writes is an indicator of how many brains they've got, then you are a long way from being the cream of the crop. If you live in a glasshouse try not to fire off your marbles.
    I'm guessing the intent of your message is... if someone writes something that you don't agree with they should rack off. OK. I just tossed a 50c coin and it came up heads, so you rack off.
    Cool?
    PS - report you? na.... go to see the headmaster, and report yourself for detention. And next time you come to class, don't wear socks with monday printed all over them on a tuesday!
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    2:27pm
    Old Geezer - thanks for your intelligent reply. I guess Old Windbag's philosophy (given the number of his posts today, and the lack of anything meaningful in them, sounds like a good handle) is that he thinks something is only valid if he thinks of it. Anyone else's thoughts can be dismissed with a one liner about rubbish if he's unable to understand a post. Great exchange of ideas there!!

    "Aussie" If the way someone writes is an indicator of how many brains they've got, then you are a long way from being the cream of the crop. If you live in a glasshouse try not to fire off your marbles.
    I'm guessing the intent of your message is... if someone writes something that you don't agree with they should rack off. OK. I just tossed a 50c coin and it came up heads, so you rack off.
    Cool?
    PS - report you? na.... go to see the headmaster, and report yourself for detention. And next time you come to class, don't wear socks with monday printed all over them on a tuesday!
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    2:36pm
    Thanks Koj ...he he he he wowoowowowo I was correct about you he he he he he he ...have lots of fun amigo ..
    bye bye .... not near my shoes he he he he
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    2:44pm
    Did OG just say something? Not ignoring him, but... you know.... that empty drum banging gets a little loud at times.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:04pm
    Koj your comment didn't need any more than a one liner.
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    4:25pm
    Ole Windy
    it's looking like one liners is all you are capable of.... though unfortunately in prodigious quantities.
    If that's the sort of deep analysis that you are capable of... then such is life. No harm banging on in such a manner if it gives you something to do. Any chance of persuading you to put a little email signature thingey on the end of your posts to warn any unsuspecting reader, with something like...

    I WILL NOT be ignored. Pay attention or I will ignore you!
    or
    I may be old an no longer witty.... but at least I can still get shitty
    or...
    Compassion!? I used up all my compassion last century!
    or even
    When I worked I used to be a) A private school headmaster b) A private school head librarian c) Eric Abetz d) George Brandis e) Maggie Thatcher
    I like the last one best, but up to you of course. I mean, after all it's a free country where freedom of choice and personal rights are respected....n'est ce pas?
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    4:48pm
    I don't think I agree with you, Old Geezer. For two government departments [Human Services and CentreLink] to band together and target one small person smacks of a power trip and a lack of statesmanship.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:56pm
    Wow you now have me on a pedestal or is it a soapbox?

    One thing is for sure I'm not like Maggie Thatcher as I am very much alive.

    Also I've certainly embraced with open arms as I just love al this new technology stuff and the freedom it brings me in my old age. I can work so much easier and have the world at my finger tips. Yes it is not when I worked as I still work and probably will until I die. I have been many things in my life and that keeps increasing daily as I learn more and more I order to meet the challengers than come my way.

    Yes I still fight my battles with anyone who wants to pick a fight with me and I don't give up either.

    OK off the soapbox as I hate heights.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    5:52pm
    Just picked up the mail. Another win for me in the post. Not much money involved but hopefully they will think twice about trying it on with someone else.

    Life is just so much fun these days.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:04pm
    Nah, OG - that's a crate you're standing on that they're getting ready to kick out from under you so you can swing gently in the breeze...
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    6:34pm
    No Trebor got off that soapbox ages ago as I don't like heights.
    Misty
    28th Feb 2017
    7:07pm
    Aussie what have you been smoking or drinking?, all this inane laughter does not make any sense.

    28th Feb 2017
    10:52am
    I think that anyone who makes a damaging accusation against a government department should be able to be challenged with the truth. I don't think that the department, a public servant or even the minister should have the right to make public the personal details. I think a court of law should make that decision.

    I was amazed that Trent Hunter didn't make more of a fuss when some of his personal details were made public by his employer. Trent who? He was the Labor stooge who stood before the cameras with Shorten and O'Connor and assured all and sundry that the Fair Work Commission decision was going to cost him $109.00. His employer, Coles, clarified the matter by telling the truth that Hunter was on an EBA and his pay was unaffected by the Fair Work decision. Should Coles have made those details public?
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    10:55am
    Definitely Yes they should have made these details public as he was telling porkies and they were well within their rights to expose him.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    11:06am
    Sorry OG, just because he was lying doesn't allow an employer to breach his right to privacy. The lies he told weren't damaging to his employer.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:07am
    Yes they were Old man and that is the problem. They expose Coles for something that was not true.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    11:12am
    Please explain OG. Hunter was not wearing identifiable clothing to associate himself with Coles nor did he mention who his employer was when he lied to the media. This link shows the full lying speech he made; http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-24/trent-hunter-gutted-by-penalty-cuts/8299394
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:14am
    Doesn't matter Old Man he did the wrong thing and it was good to see Coles peak up.
    FrankC
    28th Feb 2017
    2:29pm
    What is an EBA.?
    sunnyOz
    28th Feb 2017
    3:02pm
    FrankC -
    Enterprise Bargaining Agreement
    Gra
    28th Feb 2017
    4:42pm
    Old Man, Trent Hunter was identified by the media and in no time at all his claim would have been known to many, many people. Those that were close to him would have spread the word about him being employed by Coles and no doubt they would have been viewed in a negative manner. Coles had a right to expose the lie for what it was.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    5:18pm
    Thanks Gra, I agree that people who lie should be exposed. My point was that there are certain privacy rules and regardless of what somebody does, some information held should not be made public unless the person involved agrees or a court allows it. I still can't agree that Coles had a reason to breach the privacy rules because Hunter was mouthing off about what the Fair Work Commission had done, not his employer.
    coff
    28th Feb 2017
    10:57am
    Too often people use the media for their own personal reasons and think nothing of it.
    Good to see the government fighting fire with fire instead of letting her get her way.

    I doubt that anyone who has dealt with centrelink hasnt had some problems.
    If you want tax payers money you need to work with centrelink, not against them.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    11:08am
    Doubt no more coff, since applying for the age pension, neither my wife nor myself has had any problems with Centrelink. The initial applications were onerous but were handled efficiently and our age pensions were commenced on the due dates.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:05pm
    I pretty much find the government easy to work with - just keep your temper when their systems stuff up and don't blame the staff. Smile at them, make them feel wanted, and they'll bend over backwards for you.
    bob
    28th Feb 2017
    11:03am
    there are always two sides in any story and (note)Ms Fox blames her husband and the government .Maybe she just likes stirring.
    ray from Bondi
    28th Feb 2017
    11:04am
    Like waiting to retire, I am also too scared to comment, our Orwellian government has its ways to make you pay for criticism, and just the mention Orwellian has identified me to THEM and their brothers THEY. But seriously we all expect of information to be private and not passed to the media, this is an unconscionable action by our masters but then what would you expect from government. I would like to think labor would not do this BUT.
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:48pm
    Yes mate .... good ....sorry no speaking de Inglish .... is the best way
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    4:55pm
    I agree with you, Ray, giving personal details to the press I think is a lazy way of addressing the problem. A face to face discussion at the CentreLink office would be a more professional way put things right.
    Teddy
    28th Feb 2017
    11:10am
    M's Fox may believe she has a case but I trust the rest of us will not be financing her legal costs through legal aid. M's Fox chose to go onto the public record making accusations which apparently were not completely accurate. I have no problem with the Department releasing the facts as they believe them to be.
    Wstaton
    28th Feb 2017
    1:21pm
    Teddy, It is by large the only thing the little people can do against huge government departments or conglomerates who have huge resources to pit against them.

    Often we have seen our governments spend huge amounts to gain amounts that are piddling.
    The Librarian
    28th Feb 2017
    11:27am
    We will have to wait and see what the final outcome is. By releasing such information Centerlink exposes itself to the possibility of being not only found for providing incorrect information itself out but of misusing its power. In the short term it may seem like a good move but longer term may come back to bite them big time.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:28am
    NO I doubt it as MS Fox already exposed her own information together with incorrect Centrelink information.
    grounded
    28th Feb 2017
    11:27am
    I can see, and thoroughly agree with the good intent of the Government's decision to release both sides of any issues that arise....(absolute TRANSPERANCY is the only order of the day)...however I personally think it is doomed to failure...given the number of bludgers embedded within the welfare system of this country who scream blue murder if it is even as much as suggested, that changes are going to be made to their "PAY"....i.e. welfare handout.

    Crikey, the Government would need to employ another army of 'public servants' to just name and shame these cretins....given their volume number.
    jackie
    28th Feb 2017
    11:34am
    Is Muammar Gaddafi running Centrelink?
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    2:47pm
    The Colonel had the best outfits for a gay bar....
    mikecrook
    28th Feb 2017
    11:35am
    Governments used to be accountable for their actions, this is bureaucratic revenge of the worst kind. This government would never authourise the release of a billionaires income tax returns in the event of a standoff, why for a welfare recipient. New figures show that Australians pensioners have a 35% poverty rate, this is not the Australia of the fair go. This seems to be a continuation of Turnbully's "war on the poor", it is disgusting.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:39am
    Details of Paul Hogan's tax debt were released when he had his passport held after he attended his mother's funeral so anyone can have their affairs released to the media.
    KSS
    28th Feb 2017
    1:25pm
    Sorry mikecrook, Ms Fox can hardly be portrayed as 'the poor'. She describes herself as "a full-time employed economist with several degrees, published books and articles, and security clearance for giving economic policy advice on secret government documents". She also says "I raise my children entirely out of my own earnings".

    Not exactly the image any fair minded person would class as 'poor'!
    The Phoenix
    28th Feb 2017
    11:38am
    DHS are wrong to release details of a individuals case to the public arena and should be held accountable for the breach of confidentiality.
    However the media outlet should also be held accountable for printing any lies, hearsay, etc. What ever happened to a balanced media story that you could actually believe.
    The media should also stop with the sensationalism style of reporting which is nothing better than a gossip magazine standard.
    Everyone should have confidence in a government department that their details are keep confidential. Our personal details should not be released to anyone.
    If Ms Fox has also released any information that is of a confidential nature given to her by the DHS she also should be held to account.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:42am
    Ms Fox breached her own confidentiality so government can't be accountable for that.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:04pm
    If you decide to tell someone how much you have in the bank, Old Geezer, that's up to you. However, just because you have done that does not mean your bank can give your bank statements to the media to publish. That's against privacy laws and I suggest that it's the same in the case with Ms Fox.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    5:54pm
    Bank can publish all my statements if they like as there is very little to see in them.
    PIXAPD
    28th Feb 2017
    11:48am
    Why doesn't the Govt use TWITTER like Trump does? FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS !!
    wheels
    28th Feb 2017
    11:48am
    I think that if there is a case where the person has taken money falsely, then it should be exposed where there is a substantial background of false claims. After all.....it is OUR money....the taxpayer.
    Jen50
    28th Feb 2017
    11:50am
    That's shocking. I worked for an apprenticeship centre several years ago. They were under government contract and had to abide by strict government rules & regulations which included very strict confidentiality. We weren't allowed to release any information to Centrelink or anyone else under any circumstances (except of course for individual employers or apprentices about their own business). It was difficult sometimes and if the Centrelink staffer tried to push the issue we had to refer them to our Manager to put them straight.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    11:58am
    Ha ha so you weren't part of the circle where information was freely traded. Lot's of awesome incentives were given to those who played the game.
    PIXAPD
    28th Feb 2017
    11:51am
    GO CENTRELINK......get the crims
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:11pm
    I'm waiting for Centrelink to publish a list of all those that have ripped them off and that day can't be too far away now.
    Hardworker
    28th Feb 2017
    11:56am
    Although there are two sides to every story it certainly was a breach of privacy and indicates the bully boy tactics now being sanctioned by this Government through their departments due to a grab for money. It can be very difficult to get bureaucracy to understand where mistakes have been made depending on the expertise of the Officer you need to deal with. Sometimes this is several different Officers each time you ring which means you have to tell the same story over and over again as your side of the story is probably not recorded or recorded in a condensed form by someone who doesn't truly understand how it relates to your case. Also Government data is not always accurate depending on who has entered it and where it comes from. Centrelink need to pass these more difficult cases on to trouble shooters (more knowledgeable staff) to sort out instead of sticking strictly to the audit paper they have been provided with to process the audit. How many extra staff did Centrelink need to employ, possibly "off the street" and how well trained were they, in order to complete these audits? I also doubt very much whether any telephone number belonging to Centrelink, especially a 1800 number, gets answered immediately. It would depend on sheer luck as to how many phone calls were coming through at the time of your call.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:12pm
    If only people were honest that goodie goodie stuff might just work. However it's now a national past time to rip off Centrelink.

    It great the Centrelink is now fighting back and long over due.
    Tom Tank
    28th Feb 2017
    1:50pm
    Does this now mean we can look forward to the ATO releasing tax information on the rich and famous?
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    2:10pm
    Most have very little in their own name so it's not worth the effort.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:09pm
    OG - they've always checks in place - this is no 'fightback' - just a different approach to identifying POSSIBLE issues - which from reports should have then been handled much more professionally.
    BillF2
    28th Feb 2017
    12:02pm
    Like master, like servant. If the master lacks honesty and integrity, so will the servant. Hence the relationship between the minister and Centrelink. So it is hardly surprising if the minister and his agents spit back like a cornered alley cat when taken to task about the way they operate. Remember, government is not there to serve the people, only itself. Governments NEVER assist anyone, unless it is in their interest to do so. The modus operandi is to penalise, penalise, penalise, in order to show who is boss. Except at election time!
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:03pm
    How many people here give those who phone you from Centrelink or any other government department your personal details so that they can identify you?

    I certainly don't unless they can identify themselves to me.

    The ATO has told me not to give anyone who rings me any information so I have to ring them back and ask for a certain extension number by looking up their main phone number in the phonebook.

    It is certainly challenging at times now for those who are trying to do their jobs but one's identity must be protected.
    The Phoenix
    28th Feb 2017
    12:54pm
    I like the ring back caution you use protecting your information.

    I get annoyed at the lack of manners from other people phoning and asking "Is that ........" to which I reply similar to "who are you?".
    I often remark to them about common manners and that they as the caller should identify themselves first.
    Misty
    28th Feb 2017
    2:42pm
    How does that work OG?, I have always had to give my ID Number or card to Centrelink, Medicare when dealing with them, they link in with the banks, ATO ETC so nothing is hidden from them anymore, no privacy.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    3:48pm
    Gee I don't even have an Id number but I deal with all those government departments.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:13pm
    Yeah - but you're Austin Powers, OG....
    Misty
    28th Feb 2017
    7:11pm
    Or maybe the Invisible Man Trebor.
    Sonny
    28th Feb 2017
    12:11pm
    I think that Your life Choices has done the wrong thing in this case. You have reported something and given an opinion without having the full facts. This is unethical journalism, as we readers have no ability to judge whether your opinion is valid. Neither you nor we have the full story so can not form a valid judgement.
    I believe that you should apologise to the readers and explain why your opinion was invalid.
    badger
    28th Feb 2017
    1:13pm
    Sonny, could you please read the Terms and Conditions in relation to Your Life Choices. It may help, regards.
    Not Senile Yet!
    28th Feb 2017
    12:21pm
    Our Government has given themselves Exemptions from All Discrimination Legislation....they can do as they please because of it!
    The LNP is self destructing on issues like this!
    They choose not to resolve anything insisting they are Right ...so you must be Wrong!
    Black & White Yankee Policies being implemented by Stealth in Oz!
    Thought they wanted to become the Smart Country???
    Nothing SMART about this!
    Kinda Dumb & Stupid...if you ask me!
    But even more important Gross Waste of Taxpayers Money....and waste of Centrelinks Staff's time!
    Better to have a proper meeting and thrash it out...finalise it!
    Just Dumb & Dumber to keep argueing about who is Right or Wrong....Reach a Compromis and settle it!
    So all can move on!
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:31pm
    It about time the government started to fight back with al the nonsense that has been happening lately. Good on them for doing so.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:19pm
    Unfortunately departments like CentreLink seem to be able to bypass the laws of Australia with no trouble. One of the areas that comes to mind is the fact that Poligamy is illegal in Australia but Centrelink ignores that and pays out to Muslim families with multiple wives.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    5:56pm
    Gay marriage is illegal too but the ATO and Centrelink consider gay couples as "married".
    veedog
    28th Feb 2017
    12:26pm
    Prior to retirement 2 years ago and since retirement at 65 I have been in contact with Centrelink at Greensborough and by phone on numerous occasions. On EVERY occasion I have received excellent, prompt and beneficial advise and have never experienced any negativity.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:30pm
    I deal with Centrelink quite regularly on behalf of others and I have never had any trouble with them either. In fact they are glad to see me as they know that I treat them like a person show empathy for what they do.
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    12:37pm
    Yes a total breach of privacy ...... again I say WE NEED A BILL O RIGHT'S FOR OUR PROTECTION ...... lets wake up people ....this is NO Good ..OG .....what if they release all your private info ??????
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    12:40pm
    Agree Ms Fox breached her own privacy not the government.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:23pm
    As I've said before, Old Geezer, that is her decision to release personal details but the Government does not have that right.
    Sen.Cit.90
    28th Feb 2017
    1:07pm
    I'm addressing the comments in this article copied and pasted below.

    The agency claimed that it did try to contact Ms Fox and that she was remiss in not informing it of her situation in a timely manner. And a media adviser for Alan Tudge said that if she had called the 1800 number on her debt notice, her call would have been answered immediately.

    Yeah, right. How many of you have had your Centrelink calls answered immediately? How many of you have had no problems resolving a Centrelink issue?

    I did call the 1800 number and was answered courteously immediately. I had been overpaid $680.00 an oversight by me, certainly not intentional. This was along time ago when Morrison took over the Social Services portfolio; his immediate attention was to Centrelink recipients.
    floss
    28th Feb 2017
    1:12pm
    O.G for P.M. He would fit in quiet well.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    1:28pm
    Nay not near enough pay or entitlement for me.
    Couldabeen
    28th Feb 2017
    1:21pm
    Ms Fox went public with her details before the Department did. The Department is within it's Rights to defend it's actions. All correspondence from Government Departments includes contact and case identification should the recipient wish to discuss any aspect.
    I spent many years in a Commonwealth Government Department that handed out pensions and benefits throughout Australia. There were always people with their hands out seeking to obtain more benefits than entitled under the Legislation and Regulations. Rorting was a game for many and when challenged many would scream blue murder and threaten to go to the media and expose how unfair the Department was. Very few did. Especially when the matter was raised that "we" may do a review of the claims to ensure that they had not received inappropriate payments in the past. Always with the suggestion that if they had been underpaid previously, we would rectify that deficiency.
    If anyone is convinced that they have been either unfairly of incorrectly treated by any Government Department, there are avenues of appeal including the famous old first call of visiting their local MP or a letter to the Minister.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:27pm
    I totally agree with you, Couldabeen.
    KSS
    28th Feb 2017
    1:21pm
    From what I read here, Ms Fox willingly went public with her grievances against Centrelink and in doing so laid bare her personal information in some detail on her publicly available blog. And her blog clearly intended to do far more than simply point out flaws in the Centrelink system; just the headline "As a struggling single mother, Centrelink terrorised me over ex-partner's debt" clearly tries to position herself as the poor innocent victim. And you may well go along with that until you read the 'other side' and discover she was far from the innocent party in this debacle. She conveniently omits to say it took her two years to inform Centrelink her circumstances had changed; while she maintains her ex did not file tax returns, she does not admit that she did not file tax returns either for the same year (and this is where the debt originated), nor does she acknowledge that over a two month period Centrelink made 10 attempts to contact her (4 by phone and 6 through mail) and that she ignored all of them.

    Seems to me Ms Fox, who claims "I am a full-time employed economist with several degrees, published books and articles, and security clearance for giving economic policy advice on secret government documents" is clearly an educated woman and hardly some poor put upon single mother being 'taken advantage of and 'terrorised' by 'the system'. She is a multiple degree holder, an economist, author and policy advisor who through not obeying the rules when collecting welfare found herself on the wrong side of the law!!!!

    Ms Fox opened this pandora's box by exposing her own situation and then complains when Centrelink seek to bring some balance with a few inconvenient (for her) details she omitted to acknowledge. Trouble is, she could have written a very similar blog, detailing what she perceives as Centrelink system failures (many of which I have sympathy with) without actually exposing her own personal information and had the sympathy and support of just about all of Australia. Unfortunately, she chose another route and therefore Centrelink has every right to set the record straight. The real casualty in all this is that the systematic failures at Centrelink together with the lack of empathetic dealings with claimants get lost in the alleged privacy breach red herring.

    Finally; She says she "raise my children entirely out of my own earnings" so why is she getting welfare at all?
    Charlie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:26pm
    Only this week I experienced another unprofessional call from Centrelink. I got a phone call with a scratchy message on a robot message system. It said that Centrelink had not been able to contact me to verify if I had received a rise in my age pension, so the matter had been referred to Centrelink Canberra. Therefore I had to contact Canberra to receive any back pay.

    I wonder how they contact people these days, pony express?

    I have an answering machine on my phone and it records every attempt to contact me, but there was nothing from Centrelink. Are they employing juniors who get stage fright if they have to leave a message on an answering machine.?

    Do they think its high security information to say "Hi can you please phone Centrelink?"
    musicveg
    28th Feb 2017
    2:55pm
    I was told that they are not allowed to leave a message. So if you miss a call bad luck. Only way is to keep phoning them yourself to get a result. Even if it takes one hour to get answered.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:02pm
    My phone records all missed calls as well as messages.
    Charlie
    28th Feb 2017
    8:03pm
    My phone only records the message part. I'm glad. I once had a phone that counted all calls and I would get the advertising people with a machine automatically phoning back every couple of hours when I was at work. I would come home from work and need to check a dozen calls and none would have a message with it.

    I have sent a letter to Canberra head centrelink. Its about time they dropped this fake high security for every day matters. Its really about putting less effort into the job. They claim to have used all methods available to contact me. How many are available. One?
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    8:50pm
    All my missed calls have a message telling me what number called and that they did not leave a message. My phone itself records all the numbers that called too. It's fun looking them up on Google to see who has been calling.
    Not a Bludger
    28th Feb 2017
    1:31pm
    Typical leftie Fairfax media half facts/fake news reporting.

    I read the article at the time and thought that there was probably more to it than was reported.

    Full marks to Centrelink and the government for exposing the facts and pushing back on such "poor, pitiful me" type claims.

    Extraordinary that people who go public with extravagant claims like this one then moan and want to find a legal aid lawyer when all of the facts are made public and the rort exposed.

    After all, it is my taxes that are paying for both the rort and legal aid.
    Pushkin2
    28th Feb 2017
    1:31pm
    Old Geezer should realise by now that most of us just ignore him/her/it no matter what he/she/it says.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    1:35pm
    That's very interesting as a search tell me that others use my name more than I post. Yes I guess that amounts to ignoring me.

    OK I've had enough laughter medicine now for one day so off to have my afternoon siesta.
    Rae
    1st Mar 2017
    8:39am
    I don't ignore you OG. In fact I probably run my life very much like you run yours except I'm not in Centrelink helping others. I help in different ways.

    It is a pity the government IT contracts have been so poorly organised and not designed for purpose.

    Then again if the taxpayer built a brilliant system some bastard politician would sell it off under our feet so probably best to design systems that are less than desirable.

    As for governments making public secured info I'd love to see Gina's tax records for the past few years.
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:38pm
    I only accept emails from centrelink and ATO or post mail I have set my gov. in the computer as email contact only that way I only receive messages in My Gov account and I disregard any phone calls or other mail .... only accept messages over my Gov. that way I know they are real.

    when I get calls I just say sorry I am busy send me an email in My gov account and I have been ask what is your Gov. account then I just Say PO mate and hung up .... easy ... I have no problems at all and sometimes I say a few more &*&^% nice words just to make me feel happy he he he he
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    1:52pm
    I just hope you are not trying to access my gov emails from a tablet as it simply does not work. If they used PDFs it would not be a problem but they use some other letter form that tablets will not read.
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    2:31pm
    Well OG mate ... bad news people can get all your info by your location IP address for example I can monitor a series of IP prefixes using special software and detect valuable info that is passing thought like passwords numbers and text then I can access your IP then enter your PC, Tablet or phone and get anything I want from your machine.

    Of course this is just a simple explanation but you will net a sophisticated software that can break the security in your computer or table phone or network.
    This things happens everyday by hakers is not hard to do just need the correct software and some knowledge of original assembler language to access the bits and bytes of the system then that's it
    Misty
    28th Feb 2017
    2:50pm
    Couldn't stay away could you OG, that was a very short siesta, maybe you just had to get back here to see what was being said about you.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    3:16pm
    So you can hack through my own portal into the web then. I set it up so that my ISP cannot access my data. All they get is that portal address.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    3:17pm
    No Misty I had my siesta and now I'm back refreshed so watch out.
    dweezy2176
    28th Feb 2017
    1:53pm
    This should be a 2 way street .. how often do Gummint depts. use the excuse "privacy" to answer queries .. if they are going to relase personal info then they shouldn't be able to hide behind "privacy" when it suits them.
    Plus if CL is providing personal info to the media it shows how desperate they are to win the argument. CL failed badly over this whole issue and are now trying to cover their tracks.
    Pity, "prez Trumball" isn't this keen to go public over the issue of expenses involving "gravy train" passengers!
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:26pm
    Control of information is power......
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    1:59pm
    Maybe Centrelink and our gov need to learn something from other countries welfare, old age security and more.

    have a look ..... how they work a credit system and how they secure our future as pensioners ..... just information ....

    http://blog.socialsecurity.gov/were-working-together-to-secure-today-and-tomorrow/
    Aussie
    28th Feb 2017
    2:03pm
    Click on the bottom right side under "Aging" lots of interesting info
    Illuminati
    28th Feb 2017
    2:14pm
    As far as I am concerned, once YOU go public with accusations you waive your privacy. You raise spurious allegations in an open forum and then complain when the agency challenges your version? Yeah right. How quick are people to give information to Centrelink when they think they will get money and how slow are they to inform Centrelink when their circumstances change? I have no sympathy for Ms Fox. You air complaints publicly expect a public defence.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    2:42pm
    Well - I had to get two sets of glasses for the ex (and myself), and MyGov simply wouldn't let me in.. kept going around in circles and telling me I hadn't answered my question when it hadn't even asked them - until I went to a Colonel C'Link office and their computer went straight to it.
    Renny
    28th Feb 2017
    3:20pm
    You can say what you want Geezer but no one can be made to listen.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:01pm
    Awesome you must be listening then to write such a comment.
    Brycet
    28th Feb 2017
    3:21pm
    Clearly the appropriate course of action for the Department was to write to Ms Fox informing her of the facts as they saw them, and ask her and her publisher to publish a correction. If the facts as presented were wrong then she should have given her the opportunity to correct them with appropriate evidence etc and the Department would correct the record. Political pressure from any party should not be an excuse for doing the right thing, as others have highlighted they are in a powerful position.
    Tarzan
    28th Feb 2017
    3:34pm
    There are two sides to every story and I like to hear them before I make a judgment
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:06pm
    NO there are 3 sides to a story those 2 you just heard are the 2 sides each party wants you to hear, The third side is what actually happened.
    DINGOPOO
    28th Feb 2017
    4:17pm
    I think Old Geezer is Malcom Turnbullshit's Daddy
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    4:40pm
    No my name is not Bligh.
    Gra
    28th Feb 2017
    4:32pm
    She had made her identity public knowledge through her blog so I can't see how Centrelink has done anything wrong. Andie Fox started the cat fight so it's just a case now of suck it up princess.
    Travelling Man
    28th Feb 2017
    4:48pm
    I am sorry Ms Fox had an unpleasant experience with Centrelink authorized by one of our Leader's opportunistic and egotistical grubs. In the current economic climate it can be difficult to maintain a reasonable standard of living and a sense of frustration can quite easily settle in. I personally am not on a pension nor need one, but I would like to say that on the odd occasion I have been to Centrelink I have always found the Officers there to be very professional, empathetic and understanding to one's needs in sharp contrast to their political masters!
    mikecrook
    28th Feb 2017
    5:18pm
    They are, the problem is with the upper levels of the bureaucracy and the current political war on welfare recipients.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:34pm
    Yes, I have to agree with you, Travelling Man, the times I've been into CentreLink everybody has been extremely pleasant and professional.
    Anonymous
    4th Mar 2017
    4:48pm
    Pleasant, yes. Presented professionally. But very ill-informed and quick to make incorrect judgments and slow to admit error, sadly.
    mikecrook
    28th Feb 2017
    5:18pm
    The war on the poor continues unabated.
    Triss
    28th Feb 2017
    5:37pm
    I think at times it almost verges on the genocid
    KSS
    1st Mar 2017
    7:34am
    Don't confuse Ms Fox with 'the poor'. She is clearly not!
    helplesslyhopeful
    28th Feb 2017
    5:35pm
    I used to work for Centrelink. Most of the criticism is very valid, some people do exaggerate and a few actually make incorrect statements. Not everyone is wrong, the vast majority are atleast partly correct in their criticism. The main reason is the endless push to save money, antiquated systems, less resources than needed and I'm afraid a management that focuses on cost cutting at all cost, rather than customer service. If as Centrelink claim they had to 'go public' to refute a recipients claims, then why not go public with its algorithms, processing procedures, debt identification etc. Centrelink, backed by its vast resources are quick to expose a poor individual, so let us analyze their records too!
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    6:36pm
    All those playing the Centrelink game know all those already so why bother going public with them.
    Fobwatch
    28th Feb 2017
    5:38pm
    Let the Taxation Department now release Alan Tudge's tax returns for the past seven years, to prove that the government isn't merely vindictive and unworthy of trust.
    KSS
    1st Mar 2017
    7:36am
    Why? What relevance?

    28th Feb 2017
    5:39pm
    Old Geezer and a couple of other like minded intelligent people seem to be the only ones here with common sense and a sense of justice

    No one should be able to lie and get away with it the way this woman has.

    The government should have taken her to court for libel and slander
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    8:00pm
    Well... Raphael... your comment is far wiser than I was expecting when you said Ole Windy and a couple of like minded "Intelligent people" are the only ones with common sense and a sense of justice.

    You do have a sense of justice as you recognise that the courts are where the correctness of the fox woman's claims should be tested.

    Unfortunately, while advocating the legal process, you are aligning with Ole Windy's kangaroo court system.... which thank ferk has nothing to do with the third tier of our system - government, public service administration, and the justice system.

    Can I nudge you away from lining up with Ole Windy's lynchers, toward the direction of due process, the legal system, and innocence until proven guilty? perhaps?
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    8:47pm
    Who is Ole Windy?
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    11:12pm
    That'd be you, I think...... you've been 're-badged'.....

    A good lynching on the front porch never hurt anyone.......
    Rodent
    28th Feb 2017
    6:01pm
    Might be time for some interested parties to keep across the Senate Committee that's investigating Centrelink. There are already some submissions, with an interesting meeting coming up very soon

    Here is a link

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Community_Affairs/SocialWelfareSystem
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:01pm
    My personal view is that information given freely to government at their demand is sacrosanct, and under no circumstances should be revealed. They can just as easily say that Jane X or John Y said XXX, but we refute that with these facts.
    Jacer
    28th Feb 2017
    6:07pm
    So presumably when Centrelink gets it wrong as it does, the Minister will provide a full and public explanation of why it did and the remedy it intends.
    Except that won't happen. It will hide behind 'it's personal information, we can't release it'. Unless it suits its purpose.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    6:44pm
    the AG already did
    but then you get people like this woman who lies

    so whats Centerlink to do, be silent and cop the bashing and all the lies ?
    Jacer
    28th Feb 2017
    9:55pm
    The point is simple. I'll use little words for you.
    When it suits Centrelink hides behind 'privacy considerations'. And breaks them when it suits it.
    Perhaps you think that's ok. I don't.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    11:13pm
    I'd like to hear all the facts from both sides...... without all the acrimony.
    micky d.
    28th Feb 2017
    6:14pm
    Perhaps some of us are getting a little elderly now and forgetting what our parents instilled in our minds when we were youngsters.
    Society may have changed it's stand-points but I've always remembered what Mum & Dad taught me;
    Never bite the hand that feeds you.

    Now I know that this reminder might well set off a lot of howlers, bleaters , whingers, etc. but at the risk of upsetting some, I ask them to, nonetheless, remember what Mum & Dad surely taught them.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    6:30pm
    Never hand the hand that refuses to feed you properly the privilege of handing out the feed.....
    mikecrook
    28th Feb 2017
    7:12pm
    When I worked in Centrelink, OR DSS a sit was then, the estimate was that 10% of welfare recipients may have been receiving an overpayment, DSS had their own police force, field officers, to combat this as well as data matching., so it was kept under pretty firm control. I note that there are estimates of up to 50%of the wealthy are ripping off the tax system at the other end of the scale, but this never gets mentioned. I note that Australia pays the lowest unemployment benefit of any country in the OECD and has the second worst levels of pensioner poverty (35%) in developed countries second only to South Korea.
    Anonymous
    28th Feb 2017
    7:41pm
    50% of the wealthy ripping off the tax system

    You want to back up those lies ?

    You are a prime example of why people like you who spout misinformation should be taken to task
    LiveItUp
    1st Mar 2017
    7:46am
    Today with our welfare culture it must be closer to 90% ripping off the taxpayer with their little white lies. Very few if any today tell Centrelink the truth. If 50% of the wealthy are ripping off the tax system then why is it going under the radar. Just because people claim expenses and learn to play the tax game doesn't mean they are ripping off the tax system. The people I know who work at Centrelink tell me that they know who is genuine and who is not but it is not their job to judge but use the facts as given. Years ago when i had a job I was very suspicious of men in suits and women in suits were worse. The lies these people told were well above the rest in a class of their own.
    Rae
    1st Mar 2017
    8:17am
    Very few have to rip off the tax system as it is set up so that tax can be almost avoided completely. I'd been a PAYG salary earner and my eyes were opened when I started a business on the side. Suddenly I got my tax payments back and a whole pile of welfare money to boot for the kids. I had extra cash flow and paid no tax and received government help.

    It is the reason so many high income earners have a wife with a little shop on the side. May as well.

    Why fly cattle class when you can go business and the taxpayer picks up some of the tab.

    The young are learning. Plenty of small business owners popping up all over.

    Let's give them a tax cut it's bound to be good for them. It'll fix it.
    Old Geezer
    1st Mar 2017
    12:12pm
    Yes Rae a PAYG salary earner pays tax on what he earns but a business pays tax on what's left after all expenses. Another reason to be a contractor not a PAYG wage earner.

    28th Feb 2017
    7:56pm
    love o.g's comments, it brings out the self righteous comments by those who love to rort the system but at the same time are frightened that o.g's comments might be their downfall and as for those objecting to publishing the facts by the department as a defence for the undefensible rorting of the system and may I point out with the tacid support of lifechoises on this matter, you all, including lifechoises, should hang your head in shame, you are not only stealing the taxpayer's money, you are robbing your neighbours and their children of a future, it is time AUSTRALIA forgets it's slogan, I am allright, F... You!
    where oh where did we loose our passion for this once great country, where we helped our neighbours, looked after those who were worst off and went out of our way to give a stranger a shoulder to lean on, reading most of to-days comments, I feel we have lost our way in this once greatest nation on this globe, it used to be can I be of any help, to-day, who can I rip off, Australia wake up before it is to late and we all go down the drain.
    Koj
    28th Feb 2017
    8:09pm
    I think the time period you are looking for dutchy is 3rd of november 1854. For Australia. Or for the netherlands, a bit earlier, 1815. Which actually should make you a wiser person for the rights of an individual.

    By the way, can I lend you some appropriate punctuation, which would remedy the problem of your dummy spit looking like an impenetrable wall of text?

    I did get something out of this post... I always thought the inability to penetrate was in... penetrate type words... but I find it is prefixed with im... Must be specially hard for gaijin.
    Old Geezer
    28th Feb 2017
    8:45pm
    I had no trouble reading it Koj.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    11:15pm
    You fallen off the integrity wagon again, Heemie? You were beginning to come up with some reasonable statements, and I thought The Force was growing within you... oh, well....

    Defending someone is not the same as 'rorting the system' and you have zero right or privilege to even think so.

    That's like saying that someone who has no issue with gays must be gay. I have no issue with gays, but I find no man attractive, and I rack my mind to figure out how any other man could.
    KSS
    1st Mar 2017
    7:42am
    Koj, it would be appropriate when offering help with punctuation that you ensure your own is correct.
    Rosret
    28th Feb 2017
    9:35pm
    Human Services Minister Alan Tudge.
    Written down. Remembered and won't be forgotten.
    I sure hope his cupboard is clean.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    11:17pm
    The Tudgepacker? Where the hell did he come from? No idea....
    casper dude
    28th Feb 2017
    10:47pm
    Time for the moderator to step in and can these inane comments from both sides - preferably before they are posted. That is your job.
    TREBOR
    28th Feb 2017
    11:17pm
    Hang 'em all - let God sort 'em out....
    LiveItUp
    1st Mar 2017
    7:34am
    Nothing to moderate here.
    rob101
    2nd Mar 2017
    10:27am
    Old Geezer,where did you get your information from? I bet it wasn't from the Victim.
    I wonder what would happen if the ATO and Centrelink went through YOUR financial history?


    rob101

    3rd Mar 2017
    4:04pm
    OG now admitting to relying on GOSSIP as his information source. No wonder he's nearly always WRONG. Really should find a reliable source OG. Nothing worse than gossip mongers condemning innocent people with not the slightest shred of evidence and no interest in fact.

    3rd Mar 2017
    4:04pm
    OG now admitting to relying on GOSSIP as his information source. No wonder he's nearly always WRONG. Really should find a reliable source OG. Nothing worse than gossip mongers condemning innocent people with not the slightest shred of evidence and no interest in fact.
    Old Geezer
    3rd Mar 2017
    11:35pm
    Rubbish Rainey the news from your so called creditable sources is real old history these days. It is certainly a good laugh each night to watch the news on TV as it seems like it is at least 48 hours delayed.

    Unfortunately if you hang our dirty washing out in public you have to be careful that it isn't the dirt that attracts people's attention.

    Today a local news item was big news that many would have thought just happened but that big news has been happening for over 10 years now. I know that from personal experience.

    Centrelink and the ATO can check through my records with a fine tooth comb and they will not find anything a miss. I learn the rules and then play the game. I very much doubt Centrelink would have any interest as I don't even have a social security number. Maybe they owe me a fortune and I'm about to get a lottery win from them. If they haven't paid me anything then I can't possible owe them anything.

    I'll pose the same question to you Rainey

    I wonder what would happen if the ATO and Centrelink went through YOUR financial history?

    I had a very interesting day today which topped off a great week. Lots of good news with some outstanding issues resolved in my favour.

    4th Mar 2017
    8:41am
    Okay, a bit off topic - sorry - but this kind of exposes what's really going on in the LNP in regard to welfare generally, and it should terrify any of us who have a conscience and respect for the society our forefathers fought to establish.

    The Liberal National Party (‘LNP’) Welfare Card programme is really a LNP rort for the benefit of the Liberal and National Parties and their members, donors and supporters. Indue Pty Ltd, the corporation awarded the contract to manage the Welfare Card programme and to operate its underlying systems, is a corporation owned by Liberal and National Party members and that donates to various Liberal and National Party branches around Australia.

    Read more at https://theaimn.com/lnp-welfare-card-true-facts-exposed-corruption-disguised-philanthropy/. (You might have to join to gain access)
    Old Dog
    4th Mar 2017
    9:27am
    As we all know as we all know taking legal action against anyone is incredibly expensive. Taking action against the government would probably be even more so. However, I guess that should not stop us from trying to do it.
    Anonymous
    4th Mar 2017
    4:19pm
    It's all but impossible to take legal action against government unless you are VERY wealthy. I've had legitimate cause for action on four separate occasions, plus one against a local council, but every time it just proved impractical. In the end, we've written off losses that probably are well into the millions because we simply didn't have the resources to fight Goliath.
    rob101
    4th Mar 2017
    10:25am
    Old Geezer!Sure you live by the rules,but what happens if the Govt.changes the Rules and makes them Retrospective.
    EVERYBODY has financial skeletons in their closet,Old Geezer and you are no different.
    By the way there are no Social Security Numbers in Australia!
    rob101
    Anonymous
    6th Mar 2017
    6:26pm
    then live by the new rules, so easy.
    Snow
    5th Mar 2017
    3:02pm
    Centrelink would have to be the worst run department on this earth. A world of their own and change the rules to suit themselves. All they hope is that everyone who has to deal with them will just give up on getting a benefit. Such a sorry way for Australia to be, in the 21st century. For those who are honest it is totally disgraceful the way they are treated.
    Anonymous
    6th Mar 2017
    6:28pm
    snow, is that the only way your brains work?