Chinese influence in Australia is ringing alarm bells in Canberra

China’s influence in Australia is concerning our intelligence and defence agencies.

Chinese influence in Australia is ringing alarm bells in Canberra

An ABC investigation has revealed that businesses with strong Chinese connections proffered around $5.5 million in Australian political party donations between 2013 and 2015.

The ‘China connection’ was easily the largest source of foreign funds to both major political parties.

Australian defence and intelligence agencies are becoming increasingly concerned about Chinese Government influence in our country.

There are worries that China is buying political influence, as well as increasing its control over critical infrastructure, which includes ports and power companies, Chinese-language radio stations, newspapers and other organisations.

Owning strategic infrastructure in order to dominate Eurasia through it’s ‘one belt, one road’ initiative is a crucial element of China’s self-declared foreign policy, which includes control over the South China Sea.

Security agency concerns may have influenced the blocking of two Chinese bids for control of NSW power distributor, Ausgrid. The bidding companies already own significant shares in Australia’s privatised state power distributors. And although Australian intelligence agencies were quick to add that the decision was “not country-specific”, China’s assertiveness has alarm bells ringing in Canberra.

The blocking of Chinese investment in our power grid has been termed a “bad precedent” by the founding director of China Matters, Linda Jakobson.

"If there was a question of national security with this bid and with the whole deal it was well known long ago and it should have been made clear to the two Chinese bidders long ago. To wait until this point was detrimental to Australia's national interest," said Ms Jakobson.

She’s called on the Government to gain a better understanding of “how China ticks" if Australia is to develop a strategic relationship with China.

"It's not going to be easy," said Ms Jakobson. "You've got to keep a focus on those fantastic opportunities that cooperation with China offers and at the same time you've got to not only, of course, protect security interests, you've got to uphold the values that underpin Australian society."

Read more at www.abc.net.au

Opinion: Should we be worried about China?

It may not have been the best way to go about it but, following massive Chinese investment in Australian infrastructure, the blocking of the Ausgrid deal seems a wise decision, although fraught with peril.

The ABC revelations of political donations made by businesses with strong Chinese influence also seems to back up this decision. If China keeps asserting itself, Australia could, in short time, find itself increasingly answerable to foreign interest.

The Government has already approved the sale of huge portions of our dairy, agriculture and mining industries. There are also fears that, through Chinese ownership of national power distribution, China can wield economic leverage over our nation, by regulating electricity prices, collecting information about business usage and growth or collating data on individual and population usage. Although not likely, there have also been comments that, should China’s demands not be met in certain circumstances, it could effectively ‘switch off’ our grid.

The Government recently sold the Port of Darwin, and sales of the Port of Melbourne and the Port of Fremantle are allegedly in the pipeline.

While it is necessary that Australia keeps China as a major trading partner, the Government would be wise to take a step back and rethink selling too much of our infrastructure to the Chinese, or we could lose more than just our national assets.

What do you think of China’s political influence in Australia? How do you feel about China’s increasing ownership of Australia’s assets? Do you think we need to worry about it? Or, considering China’s strong global economic position, is this just a natural progression?

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    Tjamu
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:10am
    It wouldn't take much provocation to a Chinese interest here in Australia before the Chinese government decided that invasion was merited.
    HarrysOpinion
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:04am
    They have already invaded! They are just sitting around waiting for the call.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:13am
    HS -- not a truer word spoken!
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:42am
    Nahh! Why invade a place you already own?
    grounded
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:50am
    Yep....I spied some Chinese guys down on Bondi Beach this morning. They were practising Kung Fu. Meaning looking fu..... they were. Couple of them were wearing 'Charlie Chan' T Shirts, and one even had on a 'Bruce Lee' head band. Yep...they were definitely up to no good...I'd say under cover Red Army Commando's......Probably dropped off their from a Chinese Navy sub lurking nearby.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:13pm
    Did they bring Holt back ?
    Oldman Roo
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:57pm
    They have always said about Hitler that he wanted to conquer the world , in the old fashioned military way , but the Chinese are certainly one up on this by " buying the world " . When they are ready for the complete takeover , the welcoming bands will be playing in Darwin Harbour . The whole thing will initially be a bloodless affair and our Politicians may initially be treated kindly for their collaboration in the past but the end of our culture and lifestyle are certainly guaranteed .
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:14pm
    I'm ready ! :-) I learned to use Chop Stick when I was a Kid !! :-)
    Love Rice !!
    And Enjoy Chinese Violin Music !!
    I'll feel at home ! :-) Dunno about the rest of you kiddies :-) :-)
    Oldman Roo
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:22pm
    particolor Unless you are one of their kind do not kid yourself or me that it will be one great big party . There will be a great chance that most of us will become undesirables in their world .
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    7:33pm
    Oldman Roo said, "most of us will become undesirables in their world." Hell, I'm undesirable in my world and I spent a lifetime creating it.
    Franky
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:42pm
    I think you're dreaming, look at history! The Chinese are traders, it's the Europeans who are conquerors, the barbarians.
    Oldman Roo
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:28pm
    Franky , I wish I was dreaming . Just take a look at their human rights record . They are still equal to European comparisons of over 150 years ago . Luckily in more recent history they never had the strength and power they have now . They also have no qualms of intimidating the countries in their region and taking control of the world is their clear aim , one way or the other .
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:22am
    So here we have the NEXT political donations scandal. This time the government looks the other way whilst the nation continues to be plundered by China.
    I can almost hear the government detractors with their chant of 'foreign investment' as the nation and the future is sold off. The sad reality is that Australians will not get it until the wolf is at the door and they are packaged and done for. Then the real wailing will begin.
    jackie
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:48am
    MICK...I totally agree. This Government is not progressive nor creative. It continues to sell off the country to compensate for what it lacks. It measures us against our Asiatic neighbours as the lucky country. It should be comparing us with those happy Scandinavian nations and start realising how much we have declined.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:17pm
    Sweden is HAPPY ?? WHAT ?? You don't get out much do you !! :-(
    I cant wait for some Melamine Chocolate again :-) :-)
    marls
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:22pm
    particolor
    sweden isnt that just become the highest rape country in the world due to all the invaders
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:40pm
    Sweden and other Scandinavian Country's, Germany & France plus England Etc.. are in Very Hot Water !! But of Coarse not many people in Australia know about this, because of the Dumbing Down of the Media.. We are Mushrooms here !! :-( :-(
    biddi
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:53pm
    Absolutely right, Particolour. We left Oz for Sweden and were back in one year. (Husband was Swedish). Just take look at
    Youtube to get some idea. Right, marls. Now this begs the question,
    who is the 'yellow peril'?
    Franky
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:44pm
    Sad to see our land being sold off - we should only ever lease it to all foreign interests. This is what the smart Asian countries are doing, we can't own land there!
    Crazy Horse
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:24am
    Can anyone explain to me where is the military threat from China to Australia?

    In their thousands of years of recorded history the Chinese have never taken military action outside their own immediate neighbourhood.

    In living memory and for hundreds of years previously China was ravaged and humiliated by foreign armies. Any calm analysis of Chinese military development in the 21st Century will show the development of a force structure designed to ensure that never happens again. In particular the Chinese are developing the capability to neutralise the continuing threat represented by the US Navy's carrier battle groups.

    The Peoples Liberation Army does not possess the blue water heavy lift amphibious capability that would be needed to invade Australia and shows no intention of acquiring any. Should that intention change it would take years to build and be impossible to hide.

    There are two distinct things going on with respect to the Chinese military.

    Firstly there is their own region. The Chinese have made no secret that they intend to obliterate all traces of the colonial humiliation they suffered and make sure that it never happens again. If necessary they will use military force to achieve this.

    Where it gets not so clear is how far they are prepared to go in respect of the position of their immediate neighbours that the Chinese have for centuries regarded as suzerain states.

    Outside their own region in their thousands of years of recorded history the Chinese have never threatened anyone militarily and show no likelihood of so doing.

    There is no military threat to Australia from China.

    China is our biggest trading partner. Most shipping sailing in waters where the Chinese navy has a significant presence is carrying our raw materials to China and Chinese goods to Australia for sale. There is no rational reason why China would interfere with those vessels. If anything they would be more likely to protect than attack our ships.

    Sure some of the commercial practices by Chinese firms are less than perfect. By all means keep up the pressure to stop them from establishing the kind of extra-territorial exploitive operations that Chinese firms use in for example Africa but please let's have an end to the hysteria.

    We should make it very clear to the US that we will have no part in any military action against China.
    Renny
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:36am
    Yeah right. Why are they building military stations in the Spratlys? I don't actually fear invasion that much but I do fear their manipulation of our political systems. By the way Crazy Horse, that sounded like an apology for the Chinese? Just where are you from?
    strikey
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:54am
    Crazy Horse is 100% right, hysterical media and the old reds under the bed syndrome still beat up the ridiculous invasion scenario.

    Sure the contrast between Oz and China is great, but in comparison we are a visionless piddling country who pisses every $ made up against the wall. China is totally visionary, its planning is not for the 6 o'clock news grab but 10, 20 and 50 years ahead.

    It is buying Australia now to ensure food security for a billion plus mouths in years to come. What are we doing?? Do we grow all our own??......Nope.. Moles and Foolworths buy cheap crap from Mexico and Sth America to put on our tables. We put our farmers in the dumb class and close down much of our agriculture....... so why wouldnt a visionary country such as China or most other asian countries come here and buy a bargain??

    I am an Aussie who lives in China. The Chinese are the most conservative and polite people you could ever meet. Its time Aussies woke up and stopped flogging a dead horse.

    Yes we should be focused on protecting what's ours.. but dont blame someone else because they see a bargain and are looking light years ahead.
    maelcolium
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:01am
    Don't tell us the Chinese are no military threat.

    Tell that to the Nepalese, Wahiri, Mongolians, North Pakastanis, North and South Koreans. Or maybe the countries bordering the South China Sea where warplanes and worships patrol sovereign waters with impunity. Perhaps the Japanese could give you a bit of a heads up!

    Amphibian landing - pfffft! Where are you in 1950 ?

    You need to read the one belt one road policy which already winds through South East Asia through Turkey and joining with Russia.

    You sound like Chamberlain telling the League of Nations that there was nothing to fear from Nazi Germany as their blitzkrieg was decimating Poland.
    jackie
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:13am
    Crazy Horse....China has poisoned its air, soil, water and has started breeding again. They need cleaner environments for their future generations. That is why they are buying up properties globally. Their properties are investments for their future. They will continue to use and exploit China and its poor to make them wealthier but won't be living there.
    Jon S
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:23am
    You are completely missing the point.
    It's about China's purchase of Australian assets and the subsequent Chinese dominated companies then donating to political parties. This is flagrant interference with our democracy. The two major parties are hooked on donations and are particularly biased towards donor companies - remember the Liberals were pro-smoking until they belatedly refused tobacco donations.
    PS What's this Crazy Horse business? If it's crazy it should be put down.
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:53am
    Crazy Horse - you comments are sobering except that you haven't accounted for America's sudden interest in this region of the globe. Now why would America be remotely interested in us? And yet!
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:26pm
    China is after a food bowl and access to all that wealth in Antarctica.

    We just happen to be handy and have a two hundred year connection to China.

    Some of the most powerful families have had members here for five generations.

    The fact that China has spent their people's savings on farmland,essential utilities, ports and such just demonstrates that countries commitment to the future generations.

    Meanwhile our government toadies to the nutjobs in the IMF and sells off everything the Builder Generation paid dearly for.
    Even the Boomers paid excessive taxes for a decent welfare state with a social conscience and it is all gone now.

    Try buying anything of real value in China and see how far you get.
    The only thing you can buy is expendable consumables.

    I like all the Chinese I've done business with but am also aware of the contempt they have for our lazy, fat aussies.

    Nothing we are doing is worth a shred of respect I imagine.

    The Port of Darwin is a prime example. How many died in Singapore, New Guinea and the North to stop the Japanese taking Darwin Port and the Northern Gateway. Let us hope we don't have a war in the Pacific because we are between the Devil and the Deep Blue.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:50pm
    Did you bring your own nails Crazyhorse?
    One needs to view the Chinese government for what it is: an undemocratic dictatorship which will conquer any nation not strong enough to stand up for itself.
    China is building bases in the South China seas and this is not because it likes to plant its flag there. This is a military on the move and Australia rightly needs to fear this.
    On a wider note allowing China (= the Chinese government) to buy strategic Australian assets like farming land and electricity grids is fraught with danger which many of us laugh off as fanciful.
    Farming land is to feed China, not Australia. Transport and ports are/will also be held by China so absolutely nothing in selling our farming land to Chin other than the initial sale price. On top of that we have China bribing our governments with election funding donations and that will end up the same as the repeal of the Carbon Tax: favours for donations.
    The electricity grid is computer controlled. So what is going to happen if a conflict of any sort breaks out? Work it out.
    I have been ringing this bell for some time now but Australians seem to lack the ability to analyse the situation and are happy to let things roll on with no accountability. Too late when the poo hits the fan and our future as well as that of our children and grandchildren are sacrificed.
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:07pm
    Historical allusions are illusions in the modern world. What history shows us is that a nation with sufficient military/industrial strength and in its infancy as a 'Western' style civilised nation, more often descends into brute force to get what it wants.

    Historically wars are about market share, and as the 'global economy continues to shrivel on the vine, China will soon find itself with massive stockpiles of things it cannot sell, along with accompanying massive social problems created by the industrial driver of recent years suddenly leaving many out in the cold and in poverty.

    China of today bears no relationship with China of the past with its concept of seclusion as the Middle Kingdom.
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:09pm
    ADDS:- and is in fact more akin to latter 19th Century Japan than to the old China so beloved of fantasists.
    moke
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:56pm
    Ah! crazy horse you got it right the Chinese ship things to Australia and we to them. The fact is We Ship all the BEST we have to China and we receive JUNK in return, or would you blame it on a lack of quality control by Australia I don't think so big business here just want to make money doesn''t matter how.
    Franky
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:46pm
    Well said, I couldn't agree more!
    Robin7
    26th Aug 2016
    11:35pm
    China has the worlds largest Blue Water Heavy Lift capacity,
    think about it, Container Ships, Ro-Ro's, Cruise Liners.
    (Cant do the task?? - Falkland islands anyone.)

    China PLA:- 2.2million men plus 500k reserves, 9,150 MBT's
    Australia ADF:- 28.5K, 14.5K reserves, 59 Main Battle Tank's.

    China invading Australia?
    Ridiculously Easy.

    22nd Aug 2016
    10:25am
    Australia has house and holes - and that is pretty much it.

    The holes are not producing the income they used to - so we are down to houses.

    Australia has a current account deficit as it imports more than it exports and needs to bring money into the country to offset the missing holes income.

    The government needs Chinese money especially to fill this current accounts gap gap - be it infrastructure or houses.

    Houses are being bought by the Chinese which inflates their cost and make Australians feel rich - which encourages them borrow more for jet skis and other useful stuff so the economy grows while we transition to - more houses most likely.

    Everyone knows houses can never go down in price, and they know they will double their investment every 5-10 years without fail or any risk.

    Fortunately the Chinese middle class is growing exponentially, so they will have more and more cash to spend for many years to come.

    The Australian economy will benefit from this wall of money until the Chinese want more stuff from our holes again.

    So, there can't be any risk with the Chinese - only upside - for sure.
    Renny
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:33am
    It only makes some of us feel rich, in fact as limited few. It's also pushing the inequality gsp for the rest of us. I've gas it wire big money being the key driver. People matter.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:59pm
    You take a lot for granted Reasons:

    1. that house prices do not go down. Australia has close to the highest real estate prices on the planet. Just wait until a global shock hits us. House prices only go up?
    2. it is unhealthy to become tenants in your own country. That is what defines the third world.
    3. Balance of payments problems have been created by closing down our manufacturing. But don't worry, we'll sell off something else to the Chinese..... What you miss is that we are now down to our farming land (11% gone!) and state owned utilities. What then?

    You have a brighter view of China than I do. I see the Chinese as conquerors and don't confuse the fact that they are smiling as they do the deal. The only dog which ever bit me (a German Shepard) was wagging his tail as he went me. The Chinese are that sort of culture, although their spokesperson was fairly aggressive when denied the latest electricity grid. Maybe their mood is changing.
    As Jackie Lambie said on election night whilst addressing Julie Bishop "the only thing youze do (coalition governments) is sell off everything". True!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:32pm
    Mick, your figure of 11% is a fabrication. The FIRB is aware of land purchases over $15M but until recently that figure was $252M. There are no records available for farmland purchased unless the purchase has been specifically described as an investment in the agricultural industry.
    Renny
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:32am
    They won't let us buy their infrastructure. Perhaps our governments might invest in ours instead. I don't trust the Chinese or their money or their huge buy ups of property here. They don't operate by the same rules as us.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:20am
    Dead right too, Renny, anyone that is not concerned has no brains
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:02pm
    They certainly will not sell foreigners a single square metre of land, especially farming land. Nor did they sell the British Hong Kong....which they got back only a few short years ago with all the wonderful development over the 99 year lease period.
    What a bunch of low life ignoramuses we have in politics here. They are happy to sell out the country as long as they are no longer alive when the bad stuff hits us.
    Franky
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:49pm
    What do you mean by China not playing by the same rules??? There is only one motive in investment, that's profit. I do agree though, we shouldn't be selling land to foreign interests, but lease it only. No use blaming the Chinese, it's our government we should be blaming!
    babyboomer
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:07am
    of course we should be worried about China. expansionism, taking over our rural land to produce their own milk etc, ( & not running them according to OUR Industrial Relations laws), buying into our cities ( we cannot do this is China) so that their people can live here, increasing their Military might? of course we should be worried. Restrict their ownership for starters.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:20pm
    Too Late :-( :-(
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:34pm
    Yes particolor I don't think people really understand what this government has sold and signed.

    It is a damn shame. The only thing I can think to do for the grandkids is a trust to protect assets, buying international shares and gold and a land bank.

    I just hope we still have some decent treason laws left to deal out justice to those responsible.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:57pm
    We wont get our hands on them :-( They will pack up and Vamoose as soon as they have finished destroying the Joint :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:10pm
    Correct Rae. Voters are for the most part average folk with not a great deal going on upstairs other than paying the bills and enjoying life. The last thing most people ever think about is the implications of bad policy. So the bastards run an expensive media advertising campaign and average Australians believe the lies they are told. Down the track the horse has bolted, the pollies who betrayed the nation have left politics and/or died and the nation is left with the results with the media playing the 'let's move on' game and calling for the current batch to fix the unfixable.
    wazza
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:11am
    It doesn't take much to see where China is going with this. They've already stirred the pot by taking over islands in disputed waters and building air bases thereon thus pissing off Japan and the Philippines. They already own two of our Barrier Reef islands. They already own huge tracts of our farmland. Their intention to be more proactive in the Pacific has already been made plain by them. It won't take much to give them an excuse to invade and the pollies who are being paid by them will call it a "workplace invasion". Expect to see legislation soon to ban Chinaphobia to stop criticism. Just joking (or am I?)
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:12pm
    They also own farming land in Fiji and many other pacific countries.
    Maybe section 18C might close down dissent. Your slur is likely to become a reality as the public eventually works out that it has been nobbled. But guess who is going to suffer the most..............?
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:12am
    DAmn right we should be worried and this Government shoud be hung out to dry -- as it proves they have NOT a clue and / or are getting BIG back handers -- not that that will do them any good once China decides to TAKE OVER and it is just a matter of time now
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:31pm
    Its Proppergander.. They wouldn't have an "Alarm Bell" too Ring !! :-(
    They are the ones Allowing the Selling !! :-( :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:14pm
    China was named as being the largest election funding contributor (to both sides). So we have the Chinese government buying favour. In my book this is CORRUPTION at the highest level. So why are there no minor parties or Independents taking this up and running with it?
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:49pm
    I told you before the Election that they would have Stooge Independents :-( Of course they wont say anything !! Just sit back and Enjoy the Ride now ! Next Stop Bigpensionville :-) :-)
    Travellersjoy
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:13am
    Our naive or stupid politicians who can't see past a dollar are the real peril for our country.

    Their astonishing lack of judgement has been on display at least since Hawke decided that getting the cronies rich was the purpose of government. We assume LNP members chase the big enough 'deal', but the number of former Labor ministers on the payrolls of corporates dependent on China is frightening. All judgement has gone out the window in the new gold rush.

    Chinese propaganda is everywhere and the blind assumption that it is benign is a further risk.
    Common sense precautions in relation to a government with such different values, practices and goals are essential, particularly when that government encourages and pressures Chinese Australians to act as a fifth column in our country.

    It is good to remember that China does not have about 60 ethnic minorities, including Tibetans, without taking over their homelands by one means or another.
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:40am
    It is called Imperialism. We know it well. The British did it without compunction. Nobody seems to have learned anything from that; certainly no Australian Politician. Still they are such stupifyingly moronic, selfish imbeciles, what can we expect other than self-interest?
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:58pm
    There is a decided lack of any true historical perspective being taught in history classes besides which I wonder how many of our lovely young political advisors and public servants actually too the elective.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:17pm
    Worth mentioning is that the Chinese in Australia has traditionally been very quiet, stayed out of domestic politics and kept their heads down. A couple of days ago I saw this change with the Chinese community being harnessed into a vocal group demanding that the NSW electricity grid be sold to China. The other thing which was reported was that the (Chinese) government had directed our local Chinese population to "work for the motherland". That should concern us all. Multiculturalism anyone?
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:31pm
    We are being eaten from the Inside by Parasitic Wasps :-(
    And that also goes for the Government !! :-(
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    7:38pm
    MICK said, "The other thing which was reported was that the (Chinese) government had directed our local Chinese population to "work for the motherland".
    I thought they took an oath when they came here and took a seat at the table of Welfare largesse that they would do that for Australia.
    Naughty, Naughty.
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:33am
    Hmm - according to Bernard Cornwell taking an oath is contingent on whether or not the person being given that oath is 'a person of value'...

    It seems we have taken on board more than one load of Fifth Columnists... though I don't truly believe most Chinese or those of the Muslim faith actually are strict adherents to this.
    gumtree
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:25am
    They have already been handed Darwin port. A number of years ago we repelled the Japanese invasion now we open the door or the port to the Chinese. Oh yes we should be worried especially when they think they own the China seas including Spratley Islands
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:18pm
    A 200 year lease I understand. Better than selling it but why such a long period of time. A 50 year lease would have sufficed and probably still been too long.
    Scrivener
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:35am
    Chunda!
    No wonder so many voted for lunatic Independents this time instead of main stream Parties - Australians have an instinct for detecting slime-bag pollies - and they were right.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:38am
    Damn right there -- and I wouldn't call ALL of them lunatics either they have a bloody sight more insight that our Politicians
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:47am
    Outlaw 'donations' and have government-funded elections... each party starting with the same amount.

    Donations are in reality nothing more nor less than payment for service in one way or another.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:20pm
    Totally agree. And make donations to relatives as well as after politics a criminal matter carry long custodial sentences.

    22nd Aug 2016
    11:50am
    After the beat up on 4 Corners about the NT dealings with juveniles, I take anything the ABC wants to say with a grain of salt. Can they be trusted to present all of the facts?
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:22pm
    Much more than the far reaching Murdoch Press and the main TV media which runs one sided campaigns every election. Trust is a word you cannot use, especially given your obvious political bias.
    I'll bag either side. You can't!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:33pm
    I know I can trust you Mick, to jump in and shoot the messenger and throw in an assumption.
    BrianP
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:56am
    It is a fact that Australia is an attractive country. That makes it a target for other countries, large corporations and other interests who have dangerous intentions towards us.

    It is wise for our government to take much more precautions to protect us. In China's case they are seeking to control as much of Australia as possible. We need our government to see a bigger picture beyond just economic control. To be both aware of the danger and future consequences that could limit our freedom and damage our way of life.

    These threats come not just from China but also from large corporations and other large interst groups. Our lack of barriers and protection just make it easier for foreign powers to take over and control our country. It is already happening.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:36pm
    I'm waiting for the Chinese and the New Muslim Owners here to have a game of Hooda Boss !! :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:13pm
    .. been doing that for years in the Drug Wars between the Vietnamattese and the Bankistanians.... to my certain knowledge for thirty plus years now.... about the same period as the onset of the current set of malaises afflicting the West and Australia at this time, starting with the 'liberation' of women into the workforce (not a bad thing in some ways in itself, but with many, MANY unforeseen (or rather foreseen) consequences and outcomes).
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:23pm
    That will start when political donations are outlawed. Of course neither side wants that. There lie a stumbling block which prevents change and real government.
    biddi
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:04pm
    Yep, particolour .... there are 2 yellow perils.
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:34am
    .. one set with a yellow stripe down their backs..... and they occupy Canberra....
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:56am
    The Chinese ( and the Japanese too, for that matter ) have developed long term policies for planning for the pursuit of their goals that extend for decades into the future. Who would have predicted that China, Japan ( and now India ) would become major economic players in the 21st century back in the year 1950? What influence will China ( and Japan) exert on the world economy in 2050?

    Compare this with what passes for forward planning in Australia since World War 2. Here our political leadership does not appear to think beyond the next election cycle in 2019. Labor and the coalition parties are content to squabble over trivialities such as whether or not to legalize gay marriage, whether Tony Abbott is a misogynist or not or animal cruelty "issues" such as greyhound racing instead of concentrating on producing policies that will enhance and strengthen the Australian economy for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. Instead we have a parliament led by political pygmies more interested in furthering their own self aggrandizing schemes to enlarge their self importance.

    This is not quite like "fiddling while Rome burns". but it does point out that our current crop of political leaders do not have their attention focused on what really matters in securing Australia's long term future. (BTW, a look at the issues raised in the US presidential campaign suggest that this is not exclusively an Australian dilemma) So do we blame the back room movers and shakers in our political parties for the "quality" of the candidates they endorse as candidates for political office? Does the return of Pauline Hanson, her One Nation senators and Nick Xenophon's party and other independents elected in 2016 tell us that voters are not happy with the "business as usual" approach to the running of Australia's affairs by the " big" parties? The 2019 Federal election will be crucial in deciding how Australia's future shill be shaped.
    Sen.Cit.90
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:41pm
    Wally,
    You have been inside my 87-year-old head and written what has been going around in it for some time, Thanks
    Sen.Cit.90
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:44pm
    P.S.
    Your second paragraph in particular.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:49pm
    Yes ! A good read Wally :-)
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:59pm
    Wally I join Sen.Cit.84 -- I agree with you fully.

    This mob have NO IDEA as to what priorities are -- they should be kicked out and NOW. If we were employed and never did a good job we would get the sack -- time for this corrupt mob to get out
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:06pm
    I wonder what THEIR Plan B is ? when they have sold every Nut & Bolt in the Land !! O DEAR !! :-( :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:29pm
    wally: you are correct but I suspect that the wider problem is that those who control our big business are not up to the challenge. These highly pain folk are unable in almost every case to compete on an international level. The only thing big business does well internationally is dig dirt up. Manufacturing? Incompetent. IT? Pathetic? Bringing wonderful Australian inventions to market? Useless. And so the list goes on.
    The rot is at the top, not the bottom. And then there is government where many should be doing hard time for selling out the nation to overseas interests rather than the nation's well being.
    Don't get me started mate. It breaks my heart.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:54pm
    Id love to see them doing Hard Time "as you put it" in Porridge now Mick !! No Bacon or Pork :-( And serves their right for Appeasing the Inmates :-) :-)
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:59pm
    Parti, I bet it is not worth asking them what their plan is as they would have FFI
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:33pm
    The exchanges across the Front in the Pacific Region over markets, which has occasionally erupted into open warfare, has been rightly dubbed "The Second Hundred Years War". What we are seeing now is the current phase wherein Japan and now China are actively engaging in that War, utilising long-term strategies and thrusts - while The West in the PR is idling along and lolly-gagging in the warm sun of some kind of myth of innate superiority and amazing faith that somehow it will all work out (God must truly be on our side).....
    Not a Bludger
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:58am
    What about the ABC taking Chinese money from Chinese owned Swisse Vitamins to fund its broadcasting into Asia - conflict of interest? - editorial independence, anyone? -Outstanding!
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:14pm
    Just add it to the list - nothing to see here.....
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:32pm
    The ABC does not advertise products. Was the ABC pushing Swisse products?
    I would have thought that promoting the ABC in Asia would bring valuable national income as well as promote the country.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:09pm
    they do it by way of Sneaky Documentaries Mick :-) :-)
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:16pm
    You know just like the Government tells us ( After the Deal is done ) that they have performed Magic, with an Amazing You Beaut FREE TRADE DEAL with China !! :-( :-( They remind me of the [ONE WAY >] signs on the lanes in Sydney !! :-( :-(
    Tom Tank
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:04pm
    A question to ask when thinking about a military invasion is why bother when Capitalism and Globalisation allows a peaceful takeover of a countries assets without any bloodshed.
    The US can't help us as they are so deeply in debt now they are more of a paper tiger and they will do what America has always done which is to look after themselves.
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:20pm
    There is much of the same stirrings in the US as you see here from some of our more erudite contributors - who have a clear eye on the true impacts of 'globalisation'.

    Many, including major corporations in the US, are now coming to the view that they made a huge mistake in tying their profits to the short-term process of stooping to the level of the shot-holes of the world in wages and economic and social conditions, while simultaneously abandoning their own people to a life of poverty for many in the ridiculous hope that those people would come to the table as beggars and accept the same wage levels of the Third World will not feed a rat here ....

    Now those people they've impoverished for life and generationally are not buying.... well - buggar me! No money - no buy-ee - no buy-ee - no sell-ee - no sell-ee - NO PROFIT.

    I often give the example of GMH - they move offshore to Povertistania, leaving Oz broke - how many Povertistanians are buying Holden cars - and how many FEWER Holden cars are being sold here now due to lack of cash for many?

    A. Not As Many As Would Be Buying If They Were Built Here.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:36pm
    Yeah Tom. Many dictatorships have realised that it is better to buy offshore assets than take them by force. That way the legal system is on your side. That is the real crimes from our governments which have allowed the most valuable of our assets to fall into offshore hands. And then we pay..........think of our huge gas fields where Australians have to pay much more than offshore customers. It was reported recently that Japan pays 40% of what we pay for OUR GAS. This was caused by the Howard government. I know because my superannuation shareholding was flogged off. Now owned by US based Chevron. Thanks Johnny. What a real Australia you are (NOT).
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:07pm
    Instead of trying to curry favour with the Chinese (or Japanese or any other country for that matter ) Australia's leadership should be careful of how they respond to the sale of Australian assets to overseas buyers. Australia should retain at least a 51% equity in any asset the overseas buyers are interested in to keep the assets firmly under Australia's control, and this should be made clear to the Chinese and other overseas investors from the outset. Why are the politicians so reluctant to put Australia's interests ahead of the interests of overseas buyers?
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:10pm
    Yes you might be right but me thinks it a bit late now and the Chows have what they want AND will get even more because this Government is so -------g stupid
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:25pm
    I wonder what the Deathdination is for the Turnbull Train ??
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:22pm
    You can't buy a business in most Asian countries without a local partner... oh, well - there goes the hotel at Vung-ers that I had my eye on.... not going to hook up with some local gel who will fleece the business and employ all her relos to sit around on top wages....
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:38pm
    ANd the nation is in debt so the carnage will continue until nothing left to sell. Then the poo will hit the fan big time....and we will all suffer. Make no mistake about that one.
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:38am
    Plan B - in 'government' (stupid) you need to include not only the clearly identifiable wolves of the LNP - but also those wolves in sheep's clothing in the Labor party.

    All of these clowns are selling this country out.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:10pm
    No need to worry about them :-) Do them a Bundle Deal .. Power, Water, Gas & Sewerage !! :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:23pm
    Throw in Board positions in Parliament as well and let's just run the country as a cunning Oriental business.... let's go the whole hog and 'privatise' everything.... no point stuffing about with the fringes...

    Sell It All - Let God Sort It Out!
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:39pm
    Better still let's export Australians to New Zealand. That way we won't have to worry about beating the kiwis at football.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:19pm
    Start Shovelling Mick ! Well Sand Bag up Bondi Beach and take that with us :-) :-)
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:32pm
    Funny you should mention New Zealand, Mick. For such a small country, they seem to look after their affairs of state a hell of a lot more intelligently than Australia does.
    Vee
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:25pm
    Can someone explain to me why our political parties are accepting donations from foreign countries AND YES we do have to STOP selling OFF our country to overseas investors! This is crazy! I don't have a problem with foreign investors as long as we always retain 51% ownership. It seems we have Pollies hell bent in giving our country away to any one who has a buck. I have to say I am getting very suspicious of ANY Politian advocating any sort of sell off of major infrastructure that is of vital importance to our county's security and well being.
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:40pm
    Simple - because we need the money to come into Australia - to balance against all the money leaving because we import far more consumer stuff than we export.

    This leaves us with a current account deficit that needs to be fixed.

    We need to sell assets like infrastructure and house to the Chinese, etc so we can cash to balance our current deficit.

    You can only sell infrastructure to locals if we export more - and our manufacturing does not look that bright - and houses and infrastructure are hard to export.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:51pm
    Yes we do import most all STUFF -- well WHY -- it is NOT working then STOP it -- we used to make everything here -- and all was well -- everyone had jobs and we could rely on everything MADE and GROWN here --not anymore -- even the food tasts dreadful --nothing is the same.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:55pm
    And very difficult to take home when they Reposes !! :-)
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:02pm
    I was reading a story about Chowdery being Jailed in England !
    Apparently they don't have Halal Food in British Jails ?
    So he has to Pray over his Meal :-(
    Well I tried Praying over My Tripe, But Alas it still tasted like S*** :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:43pm
    One word Vee: CORRUPTION. Politicians are not accountable when committing what would be considered crimes in the business world. Both sides are involved and political donations, jobs after politics, jobs for the mates and money paid to pollies and/or family members after politics are all ways in which the corruption plays out and is ignored. We elect criminals, not politicians. And the media played Waltzing Matilda........
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:46pm
    Time they were Dumped in the Billabong !! :-)
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    7:56pm
    Baird has sacked the elected councils and is happily selling off school and TAFE campuses, public buildings, parks, lookouts and community halls and the media is silent. Then again so are the people.
    KSS
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:35pm
    Its not just the Chinese we should be concerned about, it is any foreign entity (private or Government) buying up essential infrastructure. We should be selling Australian expertise in growing stuff not selling off the farm, selling Australian ingenuity in water conservation and environmental preservation not selling off the waterways and so on. If 'security' was the reason for blocking the NSW electricity poles and wires, why did that not stop sales in other states? Why are 'security' issues not preventing the sell-off of our ports and airports?

    Its one thing to accept foreign investment; its quite another to sell them the asset no matter who they are.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:39pm
    True ! True !! But a Tad too Late.. :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:44pm
    True but dictatorships and communist regimes have to be viewed in an entirely different light to countries which are true democracies and operate with a genuine legal framework. China does not fall into that list.
    leonYLC
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:53pm
    Great point KSS
    Thumper88
    22nd Aug 2016
    12:55pm
    China is over populated and they see Australia as a vast open land that has been under utilized. Whilst a large number of Australians have been complaining about Islam the Chinese have moved in Ha Ha Ha. The Asians breed like flies and live in swarms so it will not be long and they will breed us out because our grand children will most likely marry a person of Asian descendant, as well as that, How many Australians a year go to Asia and bring home an Asian wife? Who is to blame? Suffer in your Jocks
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:45pm
    Political correctness not in your quiver dear boy. Love it.
    KSS
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:34pm
    "China is over populated and they see Australia as a vast open land that has been under utilized".

    So why aren't the Chinese migrants all going to places like Alice Springs and fanning out from there rather than buying into Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane markets?
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:18pm
    **rolls eyes** - because the Great Dry Outback is the new designated home for the Old Ozzie, mate!

    Everybody knows that, surely?
    floss
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:04pm
    As a long term employee of the now sold TransGrid ,we were involved in building a much needed high voltage interconnection between NSW and Sth. Australia.As the project was to commence a China based company put a stop to it due to the fact they were involved in power generation in Sth.Aust. Hard to believe check it out.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:15pm
    Our elect bill is late this time -- I wonder why -- might be a nasty surprise
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:19pm
    So they are already Dictating the Terms for any movement in Australia ? Goodness !! :-( Who can we blame for this ?
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:26pm
    Well when NSW spent $16 billion preparing for a $10 billion sale you know that selling stuff built with other tax payer's money is always going to be a dud deal.

    The power situation in South Australia is a joke. The gas situation is even worse.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:40pm
    There was enough Gas found in South Australia to last this Country for 4 Hundred Years !! :-) :-) Then some "Bright Spark" had a Brain Fart and decided to sell it Cheap as Dunny Paper to, You Know Who ! (Yoo No Hoo) And now the Gas wells are barely Hissing :-( :-( 40 years later :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:48pm
    Thanks for the info.
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:05pm
    So we could have built ships and stuff in South Australia if only we had iron ore and coal and steel mills. What a missed opportunity.
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:20pm
    Rae - hence my long-term GAIA plan for the Pilbara Region utilising wind and solar power and North Shelf gas to refine the ores on-shore and then build with the products...
    Snowwhite
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:05pm
    We should be worried about any country buying up large tracts of land and assets of national security. Let's hope our Govt continues to care about national security and not how much money that can get for themselves and their party.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:11pm
    Goodness ! Don't tell me we have Politician's without the Best Interests of the Australian People on top of their Priorities List ?? :-( :-(
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:23pm
    Ditto. As if most of our nation cares. That is the real tragedy.
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:39pm
    About the only thing that will get the attention of most Aussie punters would be if the government suddenly closed all the TABS, pubs, clubs, banned racing, footy and cricket. That would be the removal of the "circus" half of the "bread and circuses" lhat the Roman emperors laid on to keep Rome's lower classes fat, dumb and happy.
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:46pm
    Australia once had a Prime minister that came the closest to having Australia's best interests at heart and that was Tony Abbott. And look what happened to him!
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:21pm
    **coughs ... blows froth off top of schooner** ... Tony (herk-cough) ABBOTT? THE Tony Abbott? I thought he was convicted of budgie smuggling ...
    Pamiea
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:24pm
    I am absolutely mortified to hear of such goings on and quite frankly I wonder about the intellect of our politicians to allow it. Come on guys. Get smarter. Blind Freddie can see what could eventuate if there were World War Three. Typical of the Liberals selling off our infrastructure. Unbelievable to say the least!!!
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:27pm
    In the event of WW III (already been and gone - whatever happened here, you missed it - but that's in my developing fictional future war series), with China as a belligerent v Australia - we confiscate all their holdings and repudiate any debts to that country.

    That's how it works... The Mouse That Roared.
    MICK
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:24pm
    I'm sure our pollies fully understand. It's just that they do not care as the first cab off the rank is always their remuneration and ability to get re-elected. These are the people who run the nation on our behalf.....and we allow them to get away with the sort of corruption they call politics.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:35pm
    Ah Well Mick, At least our Elite don't have to Beg for a Pay Rise !! Like us Serfs :-)
    Rae
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:08pm
    MICK they do not run the country on our behalf at all. In fact I believe the last politician who gave a damn about the country was Whitlam.
    Mez
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:24pm
    It was me not Freddie who mentioned WW3.
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:46am
    Actually, Pamie - this kind of thing is exactly what will bring about WW III and maybe IV. I've long said that this current phase of off-shoring production and jobs and incomes to 'developing countries' will inevitably create what is the least necessary thing for economic movement - disparity in incomes.

    When these foolish companies that move offshore finally create the 'level playing field' of abject poverty for the many while enriching only the middle men - there will not only be 'national' wars or trade wars to secure market space etc - but there will be 'rumours of wars' - meaning there will be endless insurrections in many countries, including ours.

    One certain way to ensure YOUR 'market share' is to flatten your opponents and then sell them things...... (hello)....

    Ask me again why Wee Johnnie (and for that matter ALL politicians) wanted to take firearms from the community - who in the massive main - did NOT use them in any criminal fashion.
    Pamiea
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:24pm
    I am absolutely mortified to hear of such goings on and quite frankly I wonder about the intellect of our politicians to allow it. Come on guys. Get smarter. Blind Freddie can see what could eventuate if there were World War Three. Typical of the Liberals selling off our infrastructure. Unbelievable to say the least!!!
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:28pm
    They'd sell their Grandmas Bloomers if she didn't put up a Fight about it :-) :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:36pm
    That's easy to fix - you would preemptively take back control of the assets by nationalising them - and possibly incarcerate any non-nationals going on historical evidence.
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:27pm
    Flog off the wheels on their great-grandmother's motorised scooter if they could turn a dollar....
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:43pm
    sell Her handlebars and put a rope on it like a Billy Cart :-)
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:48am
    ... pay local street urchins 5c a day to push her around or, rather, carry her (without wheels) like a Mandarin (dare I use that word?).... strap a couple of poles on the scooter, hook up a few street kids, and Roberta's Yer Auntie...
    GingerMeggs
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:34pm
    They the Chinese are already in control of too much.
    This is the result of letting foreign ownership get control of so called economic rationalism.

    All of our war heroes from 1st, 2nd Korean & Vietnam wars will be turning in their graves at seeing what these shortsighted politicians have allowed to happen over the past 20 years.
    Did any of these political and beurocratic economic fools not learn anything from history at school?
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:43pm
    NO !! :-( :-(

    22nd Aug 2016
    1:40pm
    Quite frankly, I think the government dropped the ball a LONG time ago by letting Muslims into the country, particularly when equality of sexes is a government priority - besides filling their own pockets, that is. First you get your own yard in order (Australia) and THEN worry about the neighbours (China). This bloody government should focus on problems that are HERE NOW, NOT about something that probably will happen later. This is just a petty excuse to avoid facing up to all the wrong which is taking place NOW and turning away from crucial issues which are getting worse every day!!
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:48pm
    There's nothing like a Taxpayer Funded Dinner at Kirribilli House to Appease and Encourage them ! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:53pm
    Government kissing arses, again.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:05pm
    Where the Bloody Hell is frank ?? He should be here Fighting for his Emperors Honour !! :-) :-)
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:08pm
    Apparently, Baird took his mob out for the weekend to Katoomba at a cost to us of $80.000 and they tell us how broke they are.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:25pm
    Nothing that Skunk Chain does now Surprises me !! :-( :-(
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:50pm
    The whole country is going to the shithouse because of an inept government. Lucky Country no more with these cretins in office. If something isn't done we will all be kneeing with our arses in the air in the future. 2.5% of the population is ruining Australia?
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:05pm
    Google.. Islam in Sweden
    Go to ..[Sweden opened its doors to Muslim Immigration. Today its..]
    Goodness !!:-( :-( And our Guv wants us to be Next ?? :-(
    KSS
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:39pm
    No PlanB, NSW is not broke at all. The most recently released NSW figures show a surplus.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:45pm
    They just Squandered $80,000 of it on a trip they could have watched on You/Tube ?? for FREE !! :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:41pm
    KSS - budget
    ?b?d??t/
    noun
    noun: budget; plural noun: budgets

    1.
    an estimate of income and expenditure for a set period of time.
    "keep within the household budget"
    synonyms: financial plan, financial estimate, financial blueprint, prediction of revenue and expenditure, forecast; More

    Note the terms 'estimate', 'forecast'......

    Ballsup Baird threw down his 'surplus budget' 2-3 weeks after publicly screeching that NSW was sooooo poor we desperately 'needed' a GST of 15%.

    The man is a charlatan, a lackey of his party, a fool, and a liar.

    I'll believe a 'surplus budget' when I see it, BTW - twelve months later - at which time any who promoted it twelve months previously and tried to sell it then should be sacked if it does not work out.
    fordyoot
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:52pm
    Interesting responses. First you need to accept that the Chinese Communist Party is dedicated to the overthrow of capitalist countries like ours. That is a fact. It is written in its constitution. One correspondent writes that China has not invaded anybody for thousands of years. After WWII china has been engaged in destabilising the whole of south east Asia. Starting with the Emergency in Malaysia. This was expanded through SE Asia culmination in them bankrolling the Korean war and the Vietnam war. China supports every tin pot dictatorship on the planet. North Korea and Syria for starters. The have invaded and occupied Tibet since 1950.
    Currently they are grabbing land and colonising part of the south china sea, which they say they own. Their motives are clear.
    The Australian Government is allowing the sale of land and economically important assets to China. In short they are buying the country. Another point not well publicised is that when questions were raised about this and the South China Sea fiasco the Chinese Embassy asked their people to go on a protest march in Australia. Can you imagine what would happen if some foreign nationals had a march in Beijing. China has a long term strategic plan for Australia and South East Asia. Australian long term strategic plans only last about three years or until the next election or pay packet .. whichever comes soonest.
    The long term prospects and prosperity of this country is being frittered away by greed and political short shortsightedness. When our government signs deals for free trade they are signing away our future for very little return.
    Try and buy some farms or infrastructure in China and you will very quickly be shown the door. They are laughing at us in Beijing because they know the price of 30 pieces of silver.
    There are only two things that could upset the Chinese plan. One is with the creation of a middle class and interest in economic progress the Communist Party will find the going hard and give in to internal greed corruption similar to what we see here or even a version of Democracy. Example is Hong Kong. The other is that there are a growing number of populations, ethnic groups and areas within China that are trying to get their own freedom but that will be a very long term change from within because the current Chinese empire is no less ruthless and self perpetuating as any in history.
    Wake up Australia
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:53am
    Also Wake Up china - when the outgoing last president of China's family net worth was $200 BILLION - and the incoming Prez family net worth ONLY $40BILLION - you get a fair idea of what it is really all about in China - and it ain't for Jo Zay and Jo Zee Bloggs-Chan.......

    Same as here - it is all about the enrichment of the self-appointed 'ruling class' - what I term The New Mandarins..... and any profits to the ordinary Chinese are purely coincidental and names have been removed to protect the guilty.
    Libby
    22nd Aug 2016
    1:53pm
    Pauline Hanson was right, we ARE being swamped by Asians, now look at the trouble our government put us in! China wants to rule us and perhaps communism? Who knows?
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:09pm
    Middle Eastern countries should be considered an even greater threat to our security, economy, and freedom.
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:05pm
    Pauline Hinson's popularity has risen 500% since she was elected. Now what does that tell you?
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:33pm
    There are 500 additional misguided people?
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:54pm
    Reasons, save that crap for the guy with the sword above your head.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:02pm
    OOW She can use the New Bi-Dunny :-) :-)
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:45pm
    If only she would stop accepting stupid ideas such as "Unions are all criminals and need to be totally controlled", with such things as the already failed ABCC - as if somehow ONE charge out of that pumped-up Royal Commission somehow justifies it.

    This country ran like a Swiss watch when the Unions were an effective counter-balance to rampant capitalism and stupid government intent on nest-feathering and giving business mates handouts first and foremost. BALANCE is what worked - and works - best.

    In some ways Hanson has it right - in others she is a Queensland Redneck... but often the media can't see which part is which and attack the wrong side - which says more about them than about Pauline Hanson.
    baza18
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:06pm
    Somebody mentioned that we should make sure we maintain at least 51% interest in our businesses we sell off, bit late for Victoria when the Chinese own 51% of Powercorp our main electricity supplier. It's too late now to jump up & down about all this now because it will continue because no one will do anything to stop it. Driven by greed ( which has destroyed this country) people will still rub their hands together when they sell their grossly overpriced houses to the Chows, helping to make it impossible for our young ones to ever buy a home.
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    Another example of our government looking after it's own - HA!
    dougie
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:29pm
    Of course we should be worried about China not only in Australia but in all Pacific Nations. See how they have used their financial might to infiltrate places such as Tonga - Western Samoa as well as other Pacific Nations. They have not done this because they are good citizens, but because they wish to influence the leaders and people of those countries. Be very careful.
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    12:59am
    Does this mean I have to revamp my WW IV book series to incorporate the influence of the Chinois in the Pacific? Dang....

    The final book ended with the Chinese occupying the West of the US and building a fierce fence line to keep the GaiJin out...

    Little quote for yez:-

    "They gathered on the ridge just East of the new borderline, Major General Grappler, Colonel Rowdy McFarlane, Major Jessica Nacirema, Captain Gun Fanatic, Captain Raj, First Lieutenant Serena, Second Lieutenant Wyett, Captain Neo, Captain Incubus and the now Sergeant Casual Fan, retired Lieutenant Glinda and Captain Boss HiWatt commanding C Squadron for good, and right by Grappler’s side, Lieutenant Colonel Templar, last commander of the American Volunteer Legion.

    They watched the activity across the fenceline where the Chinese were setting up their very serious looking border control posts.

    “Looks more like an occupying force than a peace force to me! We should have gone all the way to the sea and linked up with the Canadians coming down through Oregon,”

    ….said Jess.

    “Second that!”, said Rowdy, “We do all this fighting and lose so many and so much to get this back, and the Guv just hand it over without an argument! I heard Jack and Sarrain got a special spot in Arlington. Thought they’d run out of room there by now Jesus god...…Sarrain got a bronze statue in his home town, too… one of those ones with him looking off into infinity, you know…… for this!”…
    graykath
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:32pm
    The Chinese people are OK, its their leaders we should worry about.
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:38pm
    Yes the leader are the worry
    PlanB
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:36pm
    Well the Chinese have moved into Africa and Mauritius -- they are creeping into everywhere -- and because there are billions of them and the have stuffed their country -- now they need more room to move and breed
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:23pm
    for some strange reason that reminded me of Fly's in the Compost heap ?? :-)
    Dotty
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:46pm
    I have been reading with Interest and trepidation the sale of a lot of our Assets to China and am particularly worried about all of this and now we find that the Chinese have been making Donation to the political parties and as said they will be calling in favors once they own enough of our Aussie Heritage ! When are the the political parties going to wake up and realize the strategies of just what is going on ??
    These sales are fraught with danger I think ! And I am not one to jump to conclusions to hastily ! But in this case I feel the the gate may have already been closed !! Dotty
    Kaz
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:41pm
    STOP BUYING CHINESE RUBBISH and stop selling off the farm. Be a trading partner sure but for worthwhile necessities and not for the sake of it!
    Dotty
    22nd Aug 2016
    2:46pm
    I have been reading with Interest and trepidation the sale of a lot of our Assets to China and am particularly worried about all of this and now we find that the Chinese have been making Donation to the political parties and as said they will be calling in favors once they own enough of our Aussie Heritage ! When are the the political parties going to wake up and realize the strategies of just what is going on ??
    These sales are fraught with danger I think ! And I am not one to jump to conclusions to hastily ! But in this case I feel the the gate may have already been closed !! Dotty
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:07pm
    The government is open to donations from anyone! Don't be naive!
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:24pm
    You think that's Good ?.. Hillary took Donations of $50,000,000 + from Saudi Arabia for Her Tilt at the Windmill :-( :-(
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    1:01am
    The Saudis like to play both sides.....
    Gee Whiz
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:10pm
    Lets face it, the Liberals and the LNP are totally corrupt. Have been for years.

    Look no further than Eddie O,beid and the bunch of corrupt Liberals ousted during the royal commission in NSW.

    The figure being bandied about to buy Liberal and Labor politicians is that China has paid the $550 million.

    That's how stupid China is. Australian politicians are so corrupt would sell their mother for $20.China got duded.

    And it just doesn't stop at Federal and State level. Local councils are so bent they have a spare room at home to store the cash they receive from property developers. Including the Chinese.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:42pm
    Speaking of spare Rooms ...I was just reading where The Governments of Germany and Briton were asking people to Let a Spare room in their Houses to "Rapeugees" :-) :-) :-) :-) AS IF ?? :-)
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:57pm
    Or to the Muslim guys masterbating in front of young girls in the playground in Germany. Fine sorts of immigrants.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:19pm
    Well we wont go that deep into it, But I'm glad its the Chinese that Fancy us :-) and not the Head Hunters as F E Mentioned.. I'm ready to eat Rice :-) :-)
    dougie
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:48pm
    I am old and forgetful but my memory is strong enough to remember that Eddie Obeid was a member of our illustrious Labor Party. Please for the sake of this column be specific. I also know that several Liberals were involved in other matters requiring legal action. With power comes corruption,so the answer is remove those who are corrupt from power. This is the legal and correct way to deal with corruption. Place the miscreants in prison and let them suffer the consequences of their actions and greed.
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:59pm
    He's no different from any of those being hunted by the Middle East Organized Crime Squad. Just another thug in a suit and tie, but still a criminal.
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:48pm
    I think the stats ran at about twelve LNP - 2 Labor done down by ICAC, But that doesn't excuse any of them.
    SWOZ
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:24pm
    I would not worry about any Chinese invasion. China's approach to its neighbors and "friends" has not changed for thousands of years. Gradually, through the back door, China makes its neighbors more dependent on trade an security relationships with China. Australia, by choice entered a free trade agreement with China, decided to make a lot money from Chinese students attending local universities and from Chinese immigrants paying enormous amounts of money to obtain Australian residency. In return, China expects its neighbors and "friends" to accept China as their protector and to support China in any international disputes. Australia already changed its international allegiance from the UK to the USA in the last 100 years and may well be better off in changing its allegiance from the USA to the new regional super power China in the next 50 years. If Australia enters into arguments and conflicts with China in the coming years and does not give preferential treatment to Chinese investors, etc., it will be punished economically by China long before facing any invasion. Either way, whether suffering economically or facing an invasion, our main allies, the USA and Japan can no longer be counted upon. Their self interest will keep them away. Our future relationship with China is most important for Australia's future prosperity and security and needs careful consideration and long term strategic planning rather than knee-jerk reactions.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:30pm
    This was bought to you by... The Mindja P's & Q's Party.
    Lookfar
    22nd Aug 2016
    3:58pm
    Some good posts above, - from folk living in china, from the historical perspective also, and good to see how there is acknowledgement that China plans for the long term, - the long term they know, the gradual destruction of the basis for living of the human race because of Global Warming, - let's be honest, China has thrown Billions at solutions to global warming, - at the same time as it has had to revolutionise it's economy and people to modernise, and to protect them against the potential American threat, so China takes Global Warming very seriously, as does almost everyone, except the Australian Govt, elected by, yes I know mainly the oldest, Australian people.
    What can China do when faced with the most Carbon irresponsible people in the world, the Australian liberal, and to a degree, also Labour, voters/ politicians, media moguls etc. but to gradually take away all power from that insane group so that eventually their idiocy can be annulled, unfortunately also annulling the rest of us, (and I am 67 so seriously resent those stupid deniers who are gumming away at our and the world's future) because the older folk will not look at or even admit, the problem, - Earth going to hell in a bread basket, so we ALL need to change our minds, socks and underwear on this issue, those who can not change, please do not vote anymore, as China will punish ALL of us for your idiocy, - as they must!
    Kaz
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:40pm
    STOP BUYING CHINESE RUBBISH and stop selling off the farm. Be a trading partner sure but for worthwhile necessities and not for the sake of it!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    6:32pm
    lookfar, loved your comments, is it any wonder that after reading those from you more and more people are becoming deniers, has it ever occurred to you that it might be the likes of you who are insane and are fast becoming the village idiots
    wally
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:09pm
    I confess that I have never been to China so all my information about the place is second hand. Whether or not the Chinese have spent any money to reduce global warming is something I am unaware of, but I understand that Beijing's air quality is still very poor. Whether or not their government is acting to reduce air pollution might be taking a back seat to China's large scale dependence of coal fired power plants to produce the electricity they need to continue economic growth there

    I am not convinced that we can blame human activity for all of the global warming/climate change in accordance with the Greenies' proposed witch hunt to get us all to go back to living in the trees. I do believe that we can all be less wasteful in using resources that would contribute to the need to use more resources to produce items to replace things that are still perfectly useable

    Advertising and consumer shopping habits dictated on the idea of " keeping up with the Joneses" in purchasing new cars, white goods, home furnishings etc. promote resource waste. This sort of thing could be reined in if shoppers used sense and self control in deciding what to spend their money on.
    mogo51
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:11pm
    Why are we selling off the farm to China. Try and buy property in China yourself and see how you go. Why is Australia so cavalier in its attitude towards overseas interests owning and buying so much property and infrastructure in Australia.
    It has put the family home out of the reach of young Australians - stupid policies.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:27pm
    Yes we know that ! But WE the People are not In Charge any more and have to Humbly accept what we are handed by the Fat Ogres !!
    dougie
    22nd Aug 2016
    4:52pm
    Good on our Treasurer, Scot Morrison, he cops a lot bet lets give him the praise he deserves when he makes a decision that is so right.
    His comments on Australian Superannuation organisations is also right, lets invest our money in our country instead of overseas.
    Kaz
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:39pm
    STOP BUYING CHINESE RUBBISH and stop selling off the farm. Be a trading partner sure but for worthwhile necessities and not for the sake of it!
    CindyLou
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:28pm
    Yes we should be very worried - in a number of years China will totally control this beautiful country.
    Kaz
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:38pm
    STOP BUYING CHINESE RUBBISH and stop selling off the farm. Be a trading partner sure but for worthwhile necessities and not for the sake of it!
    TREBOR
    22nd Aug 2016
    5:51pm
    Well - Julia Gillard did tell us that Asians would become buyers of high quality finished goods! So we sold them all our high quality jobs that are now finished!

    Now What The Shaitan 'high quality finished goods' are Asians buying from us? Holden cars? Fords? Toyotas built here? Warships?

    Ask me again What The Shaitan is wrong with our politicians and what is inside their heads..... NOTHING!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    6:36pm
    agree 100% but we get what we vote for!
    Mez
    22nd Aug 2016
    7:12pm
    What really concerns me is when someone I knew from Bangladesh who was a second mate in the Merchant Navy had said that INDONESIA is the one that is most likely to onvade Australia, not China.
    Now that Islamic terrorism is now so widespread and Indonesia and Malaysia are Islamic countries that have well known terrorist training camps, it is now more likely to be Indonesia that we ought to be most worried about.
    FOUR CORNERS had interviewed a man in Malaysia who said that HALAL CERTIFICATION money in Australia is transfered over to Malaysia to" build Islamic colleges and mosques"!
    Also there has been a global wave of socialism comprised of Leftists who have basically welcomed muslim refugees with open arms with Obama being at the head.
    Rumours are that Obama created ISIS and even now, most of Clinton's campaign for the elections is funded by Saudi Arabia!
    Chew on that with your chop sticks!
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    7:52pm
    Best to clean up your own yard before looking over the fence and Australia has a LOT of rubbish in it due to slack immigration rules. Turning a blind eye to focus elsewhere won't stop Islamic terrorists and their families from trying to take over ANY country by murder, intimidation, government infiltration (already happening), and funding of criminal activities via Halal certification, theft, extortion, and standover operations. Women on this site talk about sexual equality and how male and female should get equal wages, professional recognition, parity in employment opportunities, etc - well, fair damsels, you will get NONE of this under Islamic rule and your social status will be that of a slave, along with your daughters. So, open your eyes, stop being apathetic, and question what the government is doing to this country with their slack immigration policies, their pandering to the Islamic minority, squandering taxpayers' dollars on bums who refuse to work and baby factory families, just to name a few issues, before it is past the point of no return.
    Mez
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:39pm
    Exactly, Fast Eddie!
    In fact, I think that we will be on side with Russia and China who already are pals, together with America and Europe against the Middle Eastern countries in the near future in the next World War as a result of ISIS terrorists letting off a bomb in or on the Vatican.
    Anonymous
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:47pm
    For all the bad things he is supposed to have done, Putin is the only leader of ANY country who has done any REAL thing to counter the escalation of ISIS and is still doing it as I type this - from his ships firing missles into the Muslim strongholds in Syria. Russia is one of the few countries with zero tolerance towards Islamic terrorists - whether it is in a crowded movie theatre with hostages or in a standoff scenario where the terrorists are sent body parts of THEIR family members as retribution for their actions. This is the only "language" these lowlives understand, NOT kissing their arses at an LNP dinner party paid for by Australian taxpayers!
    This stupid government is weak as piss and hasn't made ONE decisive move in ANY direction since they have been in office! Absolutely pathetic in EVERY way! God help us!
    Adrianus
    24th Aug 2016
    7:14am
    We now have around 370 mosques in Australia. They are growing out of the ground faster than Slater & Gordon offices did under a labor government. Why do we need so many? Perhaps the latest census will have some answers?
    GrayComputing
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:23pm
    Australia when taken over by China in the near future will be
    (a) the Chinese dissenters jail ( a repeat of the Old English penal colony).
    (b) the biggest Chinese's farm farmed by dissidents
    (c) the biggest Chinese mine.
    WW3 will be fought by atomic weapons over Australia and Oceania.
    In this USA versus China slug out new planes and new subs will be totally redundant
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:30pm
    May I extend and use some of your ideas in my developing book "Austrochine"? You remember that French film Indochine, and the way it portrayed the way the Indo-Chinese people were treated etc..... under a colonialist power?

    Same sort of thing... I'm working on it but am under a lot of pressure from many directions at the moment.
    Boomah52
    22nd Aug 2016
    8:33pm
    We all know that if the likes of Japan or China had hypothetically been in charge of Australia for the last 50 years it would be booming. Australia now will only become a retirement/vacation destination. The chance of a booming nuclear industry and large manufacturing sector a distant memory. China only recently went partners with UK in building a nuclear power station in the UK (first in 10 years). China has around 25 in operation and around that number under construction. I've spoken to Chinese students that live in suburbs with nearly half the population of Australia lol.
    Franky
    22nd Aug 2016
    9:41pm
    I don't see China as a threat, if anything it's us that are threatening China with our co-operation with the Americans in the South China Sea. What are we doing there? It's as if China was patrolling Bass straight to ensure safe passage for its ships.
    On the subject of selling off our assets to Chinese interests, I would like to see us apply the same rules as are applicable to us. We can't own land in China, nor anywhere else in Asia. We can only lease it. That is how we should keep our land in our own hands, and create a win win situation. Any investment then would have to stand on its commercial merits and not be purely speculative.
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:31pm
    Now that DOES make Australia The Mouse That Is Roaring.....

    Damn, Mister!
    Chrissy
    22nd Aug 2016
    10:35pm
    The Australian government should not be selling any of our 'utilities'' including ports, to ANY foreign companies, particularly countries like China. Can we buy these facilities in China - NO. That should be a clear indication to anyone with half a brain, that we should not being doing that. It should also include a much more detailed registerr of foreign ownership of all land and companies with much smaller and more restrictive allowances for each country to own. I don't want to stop foreign ownership all together, that would be bad for business and our economy but we allowed the selling off to go to far. We need our agricultural land - stop selling the land that feeds us. I don't like Pauline Hansens view on multiculturalism, or lack of but there are some things I do agree with her on and so do many Australians. Hence the increase in the conservative Nationals vote. The government - no matter which party - heed the warning. STOP SELLING OFF AUSTRALIA!!!! The people are very unhappy with what is happening.
    Kasbar
    22nd Aug 2016
    11:34pm
    Australians have had it too good for too long and we have become lazy and complacent.
    Politicians only care for their back pocket. Thus, china is buying up our country by stealth.
    The China discipline will takeover. Get ready to be the basket weavers Australia.
    Not Senile Yet!
    23rd Aug 2016
    2:46am
    How do you invade a Country in the 21st Century?
    Buy up all their resources and infrastructure so they need your Capital Investment....need your Friendship!
    Then your migrate slowly and Outbreed them.....just as the Muslim's have done for Centuries!
    But do not fret it Ozzies.....the Yanks have their Star Wars Technology in the Centre of Oz!
    And I doubt they will let Australia be taken over by China or anyone else!
    Now they have just agreed to build Air Force bases in the NT and WA.......yep she'll be right......just as long as we let them make us the Next State of the USA!!!!
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    1:04am
    That building of bases etc should be viewed in a very broad context..... see where the conclusions are headed.... and there's your answer....
    PlanB
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:06am
    Chinese interests play increasing role in Australian political donations
    Gina McColl

    Gina McColl

    The many ways political donations buy access

    A Chinese government-backed propaganda unit and a swag of companies that stand to gain from the China Australia Free Trade Agreement have made more than half a million dollars of political donations in Victoria, raising concerns about the influence of foreign donors.
    Companies linked to Chinese conglomerate Yuhu Group made a donation to Andrew Robb's fundraising entity.
    Companies linked to Chinese conglomerate Yuhu Group made a donation to Andrew Robb's fundraising entity. Photo: Louie Douvis

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/chinese-interests-play-an-increasing-role-in-australian-and-political-donations-20160517-goxl8b.html
    Adrianus
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:41am
    Gee, how times can change so quickly.
    It was 2012 when Prime Minister Gillard was going to have us all speaking Mandarin.
    " In her speech to the Lowy Institute, Gillard announced that Trade Minister Craig Emerson would take charge of a new ministry of “Asian century policy”. The White Paper sets out a plan for regional engagement which includes all Australian school students having “continuous access to a priority Asian language”: Mandarin, Hindi, Indonesian or Japanese.

    The papers calls for one-third of board members of Australia’s top 200 publicly listed companies and Commonwealth bodies to have deep experience in and knowledge of Asia by 2025."
    Franky
    23rd Aug 2016
    12:13pm
    Our controlled media is pushing a different line now, for whatever reason I don't know exactly - I have my suspicions. Fundamentally nothing has changed, engagement is still a much better option than confrontation. China is simply pushing back against bullying by the US and its allies, and is asserting itself in the region. We simply have no business to be there.
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:34pm
    Better off ensuring that one third of our intelligence agencies have a deep experience and knowledge of Asia....

    No wonder some consider Gillard a total lightweight in politics.... but then - look at the succession of national 'leaders' we get to elect through electing their parties....
    MD
    23rd Aug 2016
    11:09am
    It's all about control. China is a totalitarian state, the collective mindset geared toward subservience which, if found wanting, is immediately reasserted - by force if necessary - otherwise by fiscally coercive means. They have the yen & we lack the ken to grasp the dragon by the tail - in all probability it's too late as the head is then devouring the next victim.

    I enjoyed the comment re the number of Aussie males & their asian 'partners/wives'. Equally enjoyed comment re windfall returns from real estate sales, both good (and pertinent) points. Judging by most posts it would seem that we've been lulled into a false sense of security at the hands of the bought & elected few plus their power broking, money hungry cohorts. Now the multitudes have awoken from slumber and vociferously demanding amends. Well done fellow aussies - as usual, too little too late, particularly now the fiery dragon is breathing down our necks. We now stand tall and point an accusing finger at whom? Of course, it's those damn tall poppies yet again that seem hell bent on upsetting our cosy little existence. Well excuse me but consider first what degree of blame rests with each and every jack man of us - bugger you Jack I'm alright, just so long as everything goes my way - shorter working hours, house values, investments, pension accessibility (&/or inadequacy), free or cheap medicines/doctors, concessions, discounts, entitlements - have a whinge go on, let it all out. Most of you don't seem at all happy unless you've got some poor bastard on a tumbrel and headed for the gallows.

    I'd say we've got a good deal yet to learn from the Chinese, this also cuts both ways. How we effect this is another matter but bear in mind that the population of their largest city is almost the present equivalent of Oz entirely. Methinks we'd be well advised to master the chop sticks and learn how-kow-tow & bow ! "If You are the One" - don't kid yourself.
    Adrianus
    23rd Aug 2016
    11:34am
    Interesting thoughts MD. Shenzhen is a good example of how quickly the Chinese can populate an area. During 2000 the population was around 4m and today probably equal to Australia's.
    TREBOR
    23rd Aug 2016
    7:37pm
    Ah - I see! So it's the average peon in this country - the on with the least power and control over such things - who is responsible for his/her own plight? And all because each and every one is totally self-centred etc?

    Where you bin, Laden? We had all those things for years before our 'governments' started flogging everything off and leading us all into ruin under some delusion of 'mandate' - read tyranny.
    Bane
    23rd Aug 2016
    5:10pm
    I can't understand why we don't lease some infrastructure to foreign interests if our debt burden can't be solved at home. If you were to go to China in a business sense you would understand that their government will never sell their assets to you. The price of getting into that market is sharing your knowledge and technology with them. The European car manufacturers Audi and VW are a point in question. Great sales of their products but the manufacturing asset can and will be taken over once China has the education. Don't sell any of our assets because we will never get them back. We need politicians who can think further then their own term in office.
    particolor
    23rd Aug 2016
    8:56pm
    they were going to sell the only thing we had left to sell to China ! Yes ! The Yarra River :-) But the Chinese knocked it back ! :-( They said they wanted Water you could Drink not Eat !! :-(
    MmtuMoja
    23rd Aug 2016
    9:06pm
    Tibet!
    TREBOR
    24th Aug 2016
    1:05am
    Yes - been going on since 1956....... sixty years ... and they still don't want to be 'part' of China, but just to be Tibetans.
    motaleon
    25th Aug 2016
    3:53pm
    The Chinese do not create new businesses, they buy existing businesses , turf out the Aussies and install their own kind. The money is available to them from the Chinese Government Bank. They are also responsible for the rocketing housing market. Australia is destined to become china's Quarry and Food Bowl.
    Looking at the general drift of comment on this topic I ponder the question: WHY CAN THE THINKING PUBLIC SEE THE RED LIGHT FLASHING FURIOUSLY BUT THE POLITICIANS CANNOT.
    Lookfar
    11th Jan 2018
    11:42am
    I have no problem Chinese buying Australian Assets, as long as they are currently owned by the Americans, Japanese, English or any Multinational,- which is most of our assets, most of whom pay almost no Tax, - at least we would get the Land Tax on ownership change.
    Also, Might take them a bit longer to get fully into rorting the system which the earlier invaders now have down pat.
    Oliva
    27th Aug 2016
    2:44pm
    So stop buying Chinese goods people-simple. Unfortunately we cant do much about our stupid politicians giving our country away. US already owns half of it now prob China will buy up the other half.I wonder who's pocketing the commission?