24th Nov 2016

Retired man trying to save Medicare threatened by the DHS instead

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Retired man trying to save Medicare threatened by the DHS instead
Leon Della Bosca

A 66-year-old man who is trying to ‘save Medicare’ has been legally threatened by the Department of Human Services (DHS) for using the Medicare logo on his not-for-profit website.

The ‘irony’ is that the department is not turning its attack dogs on the Coalition and the Labor party for doing exactly the same thing.

The Commonwealth Solicitor, on behalf of the DHS, has threatened legal action against retired grandfather Mark Rogers, for running a website that supports Medicare.

“The department is concerned about the misuse and misrepresentation of the Medicare brand, not legitimate use in public debate,” said Human Services Minister Alan Tudge.



Mr Rogers has been running the ‘Save Medicare’ site for two years.

Bill Shorten said “attacking a grandfather for wanting to save Medicare” was a new low for Malcolm Turnbull.

“Mark Rogers only wants to preserve Medicare for his grandkids and Malcolm Turnbull is calling in his lawyers to try and stop him,” said Mr Shorten. “When he [Malcolm Turnbull] throws the book at an ordinary Australian trying to save our universal healthcare system, it’s no wonder Australians don’t trust Mr Turnbull with Medicare.”

Mr Rogers has been fighting for Medicare since he joined a small advocacy group in 2014. He set up the group’s website www.savemedicare.org because he thought it a worthy cause.

“I wear a lot of activist’s hats, things I think will save the country,” said Mr Rogers. “And I found this little Medicare group and they didn’t have a web page. And I thought, Oh, I can do that, with a bit of help from technical people. And that’s it.”

On 16 November, Mr Rogers received an email demanding he remove the “the unauthorised use of Medicare name and logo” from the website or he could be on the hook for costs and damages.

Suffice to say, Mr Rogers was surprised by the threat.

“I don’t know whether gobsmacked is a current word, but I think I was so surprised by this, I don’t know if I was highly distressed,” he said. “I mean, I still don’t believe it’s real.

“That came out of the blue, totally out of the blue. There was no, ‘Let’s have a chat. We don’t like some of your content’. That was it.”

The Coalition and Labor regularly use the Medicare logo to support political campaigns. Mr Rogers wants to know why they haven’t received the same letters and threats.

 

 

Under Section 41C of the Human Services (Medicare) Act 1973, the Medicare brand can’t be used “in connection with a business, trade, profession or occupation”, which technically means that Mr Rogers should be safe from legal action on that point.

And whilst he may be liable for using the brand “as, or as part of, the name or emblem of a newspaper or magazine owned by, or published by or on behalf of, an association”, Mr Rogers does not intend to profit from its use. He just wants to save Medicare.

“You look at the last election, there was all sorts of stuff floating around with the Medicare logo on it,” he said. “And they are big powerful groups. And here am I a retired grandfather who thinks healthcare is important and Medicare needs to be stronger.

Yesterday, Labor’s Manager of Opposition Business, Tony Burke, asked the Prime Minister:

“Will the Government be threatening legal action against the Liberal Party, the member for Forde (LNP’s Bert van Manen), the Minister for Trade, (LNP’s Stephen Ciobo); the member for Bonner (LNP’s Ross Vasta) and the Health Minister (Liberal Sussan Ley) who have all used the Medicare logo in their own political material?”

To which the PM replied: “I will see if that litigation is as he has described.”

Read more at www.news.com.au
Read more at The Sydney Morning Herald
Learn more about Save Medicare or visit the Save Medicare Facebook page

Join the fight to Save Medicare or sign up to the GetUp campaign 

Do you think this action is fair? Should other bodies using the Medicare logo also be threatened with the same legal action? Is this indeed a new low for the Government?

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TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
10:49am
Oh, aye - send in the attack dogs and instill terror in the minds of anyone who sets out to oppose .... some rob you with a six gun, other with a fountain pen..... but whatever you do - NEVER permit (as if you have some right to prevent) open and reasoned discussion of your blatantly obvious plans to send a wrecking ball through the healthcare and pockets of the peons...

Too much open discussion and they might get on to you.....
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:11pm
This and is about THE TURNBULL GOVERNMENT going after anybody sticking up for our national health system. The pensioner concerned never tried to defraud anybody or use the logo as his own.
Turnbull has still not accepted that the other side can play dirty too after his government hacked GetUp.
Wstaton
24th Nov 2016
11:09am
Well Well Well,

Talk a bout a government kicking itself up the shuffty.

I wonder how much this little site has increased it's visitors. Thanks for the great advertisement Government.

I suspect DHS did not instigate it itself rather that a LNP poly or minister quietly said to DHS get this guy.

This governernment seems to have lot's of polies and ministers that do not consider their actions before delivering. Just like Dutton.
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:11pm
Spot on.
PIXAPD
24th Nov 2016
11:22am
I have a Medicare card with my name on it and I conduct business with it, the business of paying Dr's..well not just me but millions of Australians, gonna sue us ?
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:12pm
If you vote Labor I'm sure they will.
HS
24th Nov 2016
11:55am
AGS is wrong. No one has ownership nor patent or trademark over Colours ! I have not seen the actual website but from what has been shown here the design is not a copy of the medicare logo. The concept of medicare, although originated by the Labor Government is not owned by the Liberal-National Coalition. One may argue that the trademark of medicare is owned by the Labour Party but more importantly it is owned by the Australian Tax payers who are forced to pay a contribution levy to maintain it. If that was me and if I had enough financial backing I would launch a legal challenge against the government. Just because the colours are similar ( not exactly) does not create any justification for AGS to vilify, to threaten, to intimidate a person doing a good cause for the benefit of the public at large.
On the other hand, maybe this could be a good precedent for voters to launch legal action against any politician for deceptive conduct (false promises / misleading promises ) in order to steal votes for the purpose of being elected to parliament.
KSS
24th Nov 2016
1:00pm
Actually HS there is a precedent over colours with Cadbury suing over protection of its purple colour and won as I remember.

The issue here is not strictly about colours but that Mr Rogers has infringed copyright of the medicare logo. If you actually go to the site you can clearly see that the average person would connect the branding used on the site with the medicare branding and that is what infringes copyright here.

The lawyers are correctly doing their job in protecting the Medicare branding as they would be for any other organisation who felt their brand was being misused or the use of it was unauthorised.

I would like to know though whether the Labor Party received a similar letter for their site www.savemedicare.org.au which does a similar thing with the ACTUAL medicare logo and colouring.
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
2:03pm
So the Wallabies are going to have to change the colour of their jerseys, and I can't wear my Wallabies supporter jacket to a game or I might get a letter about using Green and Gold (or Gold and Green as is this case)?

Let's go with this one then:-

http://www.bghealthservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/medicare-logo.jpg

(BTW - this site needs the facility to upload images that tell a thousand words all in one...)
Rae
24th Nov 2016
2:05pm
Glad someone is taking protecting medicare seriously even if it is only the brand name they are worried about.

What a joke this mob is turning into.

Then again it might stuff up Baird's selling plans. He is selling our hospitals you know. No protection there.
particolor
24th Nov 2016
2:31pm
He'd sell his Mother into Slavery that Snake !! :-( :-(
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
7:19pm
Has the rat cunning of the classical Lib - but suffers from two brain cells warily circling one another inside his skull when it comes to intelligent thinking ... people complain about the 'left' (that amorphous body of individuals who wish only to have a quiet and decent life without paying someone for doing nothing and without being imposed upon by ever second dogsbody who comes along with an agenda) being ideology driven - well - I'm a 'leftie' if you like - and I adhere to no ideology and roundly criticise all political parties in Oz for being cut from the same bolt of cloth - petty despots all....

But the 'rightists' in this country are far more driven by some strange ideology than the 'left' ever was.... and it's all about greed and getting something for nothing.
gravy
25th Nov 2016
1:02am
KSS

It isn't just the Logo they say breaches their copyright but they say the use of the name Medicare anywhere is also a breach.

Now at this time it is only their opinion and is not yet a proven fact. It may very well be in fact Fair Dealing under the Copyright Act and so not a misuse of copyright material.

But I would imagine he, the sites administrator, would have a difficult time coming up with the money to fight an action in court but maybe he will get some help in this regard. I believe that is perhaps why the Labor Party has not been served a similar notice as their pockets are certainly deeper and they have eminent Lawyers working for them and in their party. And if they have been served a notice I am sure they responded by using Fair Dealing as part of their argument.

Now as the USA uses the name Medicare are they too in breach of the Trademark/Copyright or are we (Australia) in breach as the US have been using it since 1966. AGS may be opening Pandora's Box with their assertions and demands.
buby
28th Nov 2016
10:15am
what a bunch a rats we voted in, what scum picking on a pensioner like that. Who is only doing his best to save whats left of our medicare.
I put my name down.
and the pollies should be shamed.

Where's Darren when ya need him?
I wonder if he is helping out?
rover
24th Nov 2016
11:59am
I have just finished reading Peter Fitzsimons Eureka.

Are we returning to those days of being lorded over by the so called wealthy who inequitably influence government to support their own cause for their betterment - wealth and power.
Rae
24th Nov 2016
12:41pm
Yes.

The politicians currently also believe our assets belong to them and are selling them cheaply to their mates and other countries governments for favours.

This will make us very much poorer as time goes by.
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:14pm
The Abbott and now Turnbull governments have been working on it. No taxes for corporations, tax decreases for the rich are making their way through the system. The irony is that the rusted on Liberals who post on this website will be wearing their smiles on the other side of their faced when costs and taxes ON THEM go up. What part of wealth transfer and class warfare do people not understand?
particolor
24th Nov 2016
1:32pm
It doesn't worry them 1 Iota Mick !! They get their Adjustment on Appearance Comments and dont suffer the loss like us :-( I see them on other Sites and they Stick out like a Putrid Atmospheric Bowel Movement !! :-( :-(
Triss
26th Nov 2016
2:54pm
Time to call it a day for the major parties. They obviously haven't realised that the appearance of the One Nation Party, Derryn Hinch, etc in parliament means that voters are fighting back against the major parties' bullying ways.
buby
28th Nov 2016
10:19am
Yes Triss, i wonder if they are taking notice at all.
But is it all a bit late!!
grounded
24th Nov 2016
12:09pm
I love watching Lefties so piously standing on their 'high ground' of moral 'righteousness'.

Firstly they run their LYING campaign in respect of 'scrapping' Medicare during the general election period...being too weak to attach their identities to same, and now they are back again with their deceitful intent of illegally using Medicare copyrighted branding to perpetuate their vile con.

Breaching COPYRIGHT is illegal....as illegal as lowlifes who breach copyright protection, to thieve feature films by unlawful downloading from the WWW.

Thieve; illegally, or unlawfully use something...anything, OWNED by a leftie, and he or she are the first to scream blue murder.

Copyright misuse or infringement are ILLEGAL....That is the law of the land...like it or not.

I can only hope; should Mr. Rogers continue illegally using Medicare's copyrighted branded logo, and description, that he is prosecuted to the full extent of our Copyright laws....including cost damages.

Why do lefties and Illegal wrong doing always feature as hand in hand partners?
PlanB
24th Nov 2016
1:21pm
Grounded, This Government is chipping away at the Medicare bit by bloody Bit -- little by little we are getting less and less, so many don't notice but it is happening.
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:26pm
"Lying"???? You clearly did not watch one Tony Abbott in action.
The reality with your one sided post is that the other side is always the devil whilst you ignore the much worse behaviour from your own. Sick man!

PS Say a few words about what preceded the Mediscare move: GetUp hack. Well I wonder who was responsible for that less than a week out from the election.

Your post is straight from party HQ grounded. Pretty obvious. Now you can roll out the other avatars like heemskerk, etc.
grounded
24th Nov 2016
2:08pm
Hi Mick. No Mick...not 'heemskerk'...sorry mate. We've had this discussion before. Truth is I expect better from you Mick...I regard you as one of the more switched on Posters.

That 'heemkserk' obviously gets up your nose mate.

Again sorry Mick...no association with the Liberal Party, though do admit - regrettably so - voting for Fraser in 75'. (What choice did we have....considering that mad leftie Gough's carry on at the time)

Sick man!? Now Mick...is there any need or reason for you to personally malign me. I wouldn't...couldn't do that to you. I though so well of you...even if I differ with your view point on occasion.(Then again, I'm not a leftie).

I'm just an everyday soul with my own opinions. Do you think it is right for you to malign me for holding and expressing those opinions.

Take good care Mick.
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
3:46pm
Funny thing is 'lefties' as a rule are very jealous of their private property, and are never happy when the NAZIs OR the Communists figure their idea of the State has some right to absolute ownership in one way or another.

Seems to me your average 'leftie' here and elsewhere is just an ordinary citizen who has a pride in being king/queen of her own castle bought and paid for....

I wonder if there could be a movie named 'The Castle'made about that?
particolor
24th Nov 2016
4:10pm
There was ! "The Tale Of Two City's" :-)
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
4:30pm
You know the kind of thing I mean - slipping the family home into the assets test or expecting them to then 'wind down their assets' ™ before getting Pension, and hoping to force many an old retiree to sell up and feed their personal feeding frenzy in the housing investment market, the only game in town at the moment, and one these leeches will sustain at any cost...

That the kind of Socio-Fascist mindset I'm talking about - the one where they don't send in the dogs and do a Night and Fog on the oldies to get them out - they just make it impossible for them to do anything but sell and Down-size ™, or where they don't kill of Medicare, they just sell of parts of it so it can't function, then do a sidewinder at State level and get Ballsup Baird to sell off the hospitals etc.

Bunch of bastard through and through - I warn you to ignore at your peril and that of your descendants.
grounded
24th Nov 2016
4:41pm
@Trebor. Have no problem 'fighting' the system lawfully/legally....no problem what so ever....as our mate did in the Castle.

Have heaps of problems with those who wrap up their ideology in leftie tin foil...and present themselves as the poor down trodden masses....at ease with their self appointed right to trample over any legislation that ensures civilised behaviour.

Like it or not...the DHS rightly believe that Mr. Rogers has breached their copyright....their lawfully enacted copyright.

On face value...for what appears on his Web page, Rogers has breached the DHS's Copyright...despite what Not Yet Senile purports. Do we just cherry pick those breaches of illegality that the Left only agree with.

The branding Logo of Medicare is NOT Rogers to use....under any circumstances. That's the law!
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
5:46pm
They may 'rightly believe' that insofar as their political masters (term and usage brought to by my one-time solicitor - a Veteran - during a fight with DVA) - but the courts and everyone else need to be very wary of the alleged belief becoming law simply because they are 'City Hall'.

There is no such right to pre-eminence in this country - nor will there ever be.

I, for example, in stating a view about medicare - can post this:-

http://www.karaltaroadsurgery.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/medicare-cheques-stopping-poster-825x520.png

...to indicate what I am talking about and to ensure nobody mistakes it for anything else.... in doing so I am not defrauding anyone or using it for any gain.

Only in a Fascist dictatorship of either 'left' or 'right' would such an act be viewed as being a 'crime against the state ™ or part thereof'.

Is that what my country has come to? When a man cannot state what it is he is discussing or even (gasps) disagreeing with, without the hounds of legal hell being sent after him? What a cowardly act and one befitting the Fascist dictatorship as above....
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
5:48pm
My apologies - "their political masters (term and usage brought to by my one-time solicitor - a Veteran - during a fight with DVA)"

should read :-

"their political masters (term and usage brought to by my one-time solicitor - a Veteran - during a fight with DVA) allow them"

Me bad....
Rae
24th Nov 2016
6:03pm
Grounded would that be the civilised behaviour that has sold our ports, electrical grids and strategic land to the Chinese Communist Government? They even have their own people manning the strategic properties. Sweet what.

With right wing duffers the left haven't got a chance. Haven't had for years so don't you worry about the Reds under the Beds because our government is in the bed with them signing who knows what away in secret deals.

Besides it probably isn't the lefties or the fascists we have to worry about but the all powerful Corporations.
grounded
24th Nov 2016
7:25pm
@Rae. I am not so rigid as not to accommodate 'off topic' banter.

My commentary is centered about the fact that it is perfectly correct and dutifully right for the owner of Copyright material...in how so lawfully authorised, to protect that Copyright. Fullstop.

Now Rae...with respect to some of the other subject matters you raised. I couldn't agree more with you...in respect of some. In fact, if I outlined my belief in respect of some...you would peg me for a red hot commo.

See Rae....Lefties and Commo's are two different things by my values.

Commo's have a viewpoint... and have been prepared to lay down their lives for their convictions....on the other hand, Lefties...as you find in the Western World...are just from the "gimme, gimme for nothing - I'm entitled - cancer from within brigade"...of very little use to themselves, and no value what so ever to surrounding society.

Then again Rae..that is just my viewpoint...I am not asking you to accept it...nor am I ramming it down your throat.

Gawd Rae...If Vladimir ever gets in control, he will undoubtedly round as many lefties as he can, and ship them off to the Gulag ....realising, and recognizing the economic curse and security threat they would also be to his style of governance.....partly socialised as it is.

You have yourself a nice one Rae.
gravy
24th Nov 2016
11:21pm
Grounded

I hope you read the letter the gentleman received. If had you read the third cease and desist it actually says he cannot use the word Medicare at all. (iii) states "cease and forever desist from using the MEDICARE name and branding, including on" and then goes on to include what other things he cannot use the word and branding on but the denial of use is not limited in it's coverage.

So yes your assertion that he cannot use the logo to identify his site or sites is probably correct. But certainly based on this letter we are all breaching their copyright as we have not received prior written consent to use the Medicare name so you, I and any number of other people are in breach of their copyright/trademark. That would make you a thief by your own definition

"Breaching COPYRIGHT is illegal....as illegal as lowlifes who breach copyright protection, to thieve feature films by unlawful downloading from the WWW.

Thieve; illegally, or unlawfully use something...anything".

I don't think you are a thief as I think you use the Medicare name in a manner that is allowed under the copyright act called fair dealing.

"The main exceptions to copyright infringement in Australia come under the general heading fair dealing. Fair dealing is comparable to the United States' fair use; it is a use of a work specifically recognised as not being a copyright violation. In order to be a fair dealing under Australian law a use must fall within a range of specific purposes. These purposes vary by type of work, but the possibilities are:

review or criticism
research or study
news-reporting
judicial proceedings or professional legal advice
parody or satire (added by the Copyright Amendment Act 2006)

In order for a certain use to be a fair dealing, it must fall within one of these purposes and must also be 'fair'. What is fair will depend on all the circumstances, including the nature of the work, the nature of the use and the effect of the use on any commercial market for the work."

and I think the gentleman referred to in the cease and desist is probably able to make a case for Fair Dealing so your argument to label his use as Illegal may be quite an overstatement and/or libelous/defamatory as you have in fact stated and accepted that his use is illegal without it's merits having been tested.
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
11:25pm
Ah, yes - those 'lefties' who just want a quiet life and a bit of free range are always Enemies Of The State ™ to any government of despots - whether those despots be of 'left' or 'right'.

I think we are beginning to approach a great truth here - that what many label, in a vitriolic fashion, 'lefties' ..... are nothing more than ordinary people just wanting to go about their lives with minimal interference.......

Once you learn, Grasshoppers, that the difference between 'communists' and 'fascists' is the way they dispose of you middle grounders on the principle that if you are not with them, you must be against them - a Brave New World - but not the one we live in currently - will open up to you.

Remember the ancient spiritual capital of Vietnam, Hue? Where the people prayed in their Buddhist fashion and sought to offer to both sides of the Vietnam War a 'middle' or 'third' way - that of not taking sides and seeking a peaceful resolution?

Those who advocated that were slaughtered and dumped into shallow trenches when the 'leftie' communists took the city... for one simple reason.... if they didn't follow the official line, they were against it.

That's what your average person everywhere is - a seeker after a little free range without intrusion and a peaceful life - and that includes the majority of those those caught up in the wars in the Middle East. Most just wanted a quiet and peaceful life without intrusion from a despotic government.....

Now - where were we in this discussion? (I know)....
gravy
24th Nov 2016
11:25pm
Sorry I forgot to attribute the Fair Dealing quote so here it is: Quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Australia#Fair_dealing
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
11:31pm
gravy - so they are seeking to dictate to this man that he cannot even use the word 'Medicare' in discussing what he sees as wrong about this government's approach to it?

If this site allowed a link to music - I'd be be playing 'How Bizarre'...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY

How is discussion of any issue to be pursued unless the person concerned can call it what it is?

Is that like Lenny Bruce, the stand-up comic played by Dustin Hoffman, who was not permitted to say 'Cork Socker' on stage, and did his dirtiest show by using the term 'beep-beep'....

"When Minister 'beep-beep' sets out to destroy 'beep-beep' - a long standing social institution in Australia - he can just 'beep-beep' it!"
gravy
24th Nov 2016
11:58pm
Trebor

Well based on my reading of the letter it would seem so to me. They don't just use the Logo references as to their perceived breach but note that in the second demand they require removal of the Medicare name from reference to any site eg the savemedicare.org site and then go on in the third demand to state about cease and forever desist from using the Medicare name.

That would be my conclusion they wish him to cease using the Medicare name in anything he does, this would include conversation, letters, computer programs and so on. For him if he accepted these terms he would be forbidden to ever utter/write/type/sign (sign language)/photo/paint or any other method use the name Medicare ever again unless he received prior written consent to do so.
grounded
25th Nov 2016
12:41am
Thank you for the Posted information Gravy...I'll make it my business to read through it... slowly and carefully.

Had a top day out with all my YLC friends. We did good...sorted a few of the world's problems out.

See ya all soon. Beddy-bi now.
Bes
24th Nov 2016
12:13pm
Shorten almost won an election on this subject and it was put down as a 'scare campaign'.
I'm no Labor voter but if I was... I would be celebrating an 'Own Goal' by Turnbull.
And of course it now raises the question of 'What are they trying to HIDE?'
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:29pm
In all fairness it was 50/50 Bes. Australians for the most part do not trust this right wing government and given what has happened since Abbott and Turnbull took the reigns they have a point. All that is of interest is lower taxes and handouts for the rich and higher taxes for everybody else to pay for it. Everybody can see the legislation they are putting through and no amount of telling the electorate about 'budget repair' is going to work. They're a pack of liars.
Bes
24th Nov 2016
3:03pm
Turnbull is anything but Right Wing. He is Malcolm in the Middle attempting to please left and right...........doesn't work.
And with regard to TRUSTING Left or right:

HOW DID WE GET INTO THIS CRAZY SITUATION?
When the Coalition showed their true colours you got angry and elected the ALP.
When the ALP/GREENS showed their true colours you got angry and elected the Coalition.
When a new Party suggests to you that NEITHER Party is looking out for YOUR best interests….you say they can’t be trusted and it would be crazy to vote for a new party!

BUT the real definition of CRAZY is doing the same thing OVER and OVER again
And hoping for a different RESULT!
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!
Wstaton
24th Nov 2016
3:07pm
I guess this sort of system has us locked into a bind Bes. How the heck do we get out of it. I guess by going crazy and voting for Trump lookalikes.
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
4:32pm
If Labor got rid of its idiotic Swedish Femino-fascist ideas of forcing us to accept proportionate representation for some and not others, they might stand a chance.

Best person for the job ONLY and decided at Branch level not at Party HQ - dump their elitist university quadrangle nonsense and get back to work for a change, and clean out the stacked branches that favour this Femino-fascist nonsense.
Not Senile Yet!
24th Nov 2016
1:02pm
Grounded....Stop believing the Liberal Patties Right Wing Propaganda.....Copyright is an atea that I fully understand....and using that logo os only Copyright Infringement if used for Profit or Abuse....which his site does neither!
As for your crap about Lefties and whiners....you need to stop with the labelling and namecalling....Your Liberals nearly got whiped out by the Seinging Voters.....both left & Right....that see Medicare as a DO NOT TOUCH.....regardles of being liberal or labour!
This use of taxpayers money....whilst screaming poor.....is an admission that they are hiding someyhing!
Poor Judgement shown....as now everyone knows about the site....and it will have a backlash!
We Aussies are famous for protecting the Underdog from Ruthless Bullying... .and the PM is No Excemption.....to that!
Watch this cause a negative Backlash.....as it shows a Ruling Mentality....rather than Governing.....even your own Party....will be Not Happy Jan.....over this STUPID DECISION!
particolor
24th Nov 2016
1:10pm
That's done it !! :-( If ever I have to write to M*d*c*r*e again I'll Address the letter
Dear Dogs Breakfast.
And write the letter in Ginger Pink Ink !! :-) :-)
PlanB
24th Nov 2016
1:28pm
Sounds a good idea to me see here
www.savemedicare.org
MICK
24th Nov 2016
1:43pm
The rich through their coalition governments cannot destroy Medicare in one foul swoop so they are doing it systematically bit by bit. The health care system is no longer free anyway and over the years we have started to pay more and more. Turnbull now wants to sink the ship and turn Australia's wonderful universal health care system into the mirror image of the US where those without insurance are welcome to die in the gutter.
WE DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN STYLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM no matter what you call it Malcolm. Tell you rich benefactors it is not on!
PlanB
24th Nov 2016
2:02pm
No Mick we sure don't -- need the USA system and this Government are the most heartless smirking lot of bastards that we could ever have, even when they are talking they have the never ending smirk.
MICK
24th Nov 2016
2:11pm
That's because they have contempt for most Australians PlanB. It's only at election time that average citizens get a show of compassion from this side of politics trying to convince us that they are the elixir of life whilst the reality is they are poison.
buby
28th Nov 2016
10:32am
WE DO NOT WANT AN AMERICAN STYLE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM no matter what you call it Malcolm. Tell you rich benefactors it is not on!

Thats exactly IT, when do you think they will LISTEN????
Joy Anne
24th Nov 2016
3:59pm
The DHS is no better then the LNP Government. Why can't we use the Logo to SAVE MEDICARE for the pensioners. DHS is blatantly trying to scare obvious plans through the healthcare for pensioners. This grandfather is doing the right thing to save our Medicare and many others should do the same thing. We should all back him.
buby
28th Nov 2016
10:33am
yes we all should JOY, I've put my addy down. Go PUt yours down and i hope many others follow the address is above somewhere's
crazy one
24th Nov 2016
4:24pm
It is about time our Government wake up and stop thinking that they are the great one which they are not and start listening to the people or are they that dumb they cannot listen at all as the medicare logo belongs to everybody as they have a card to say so with their name on it.
buby
28th Nov 2016
10:34am
lol indeed Crazy :)
Aussie
24th Nov 2016
4:58pm
Free speech ... democratic country. ..yeahhhh for sure ...open your mouth and they shut it pretty quick ...
Buy hey this country is a democracy ?? ...we are dreaming ...we are a constitutional monarchy that is why the Turmbulls of this world can do what threy want.
We need a bill of rights to avoid all this overpowering the freedoms of the people.
Rae
24th Nov 2016
6:15pm
I agree. Thank goodness for the Constitution even if they do keep tying to get their hands on it.
particolor
24th Nov 2016
8:50pm
Thank God you just stopped short of an 18c there !! :-) :-)
Old Man
24th Nov 2016
5:34pm
A government department has taken action to protect its logo. If it doesn't it could lead to other unauthorised use which may not be as friendly as the use Mr Rogers is putting it to. For Shorten to accuse Turnbull of "calling in his lawyers", it is a bit of politics 101. Even though the PM is overall responsible for his Ministers' departments, is there any proof that Turnbull knew about this action by Medicare.

Della Bosca has merely inflamed a simple request by using a phrase including the words "attack dogs". Yes, it is a strongly worded letter that is standard in cases where a logo is being protected but hardly "attack dog" standard. As regards politicians using the logo, I would think that as they are making legislation to allow Medicare to continue and make amendments from time to time that their use of the logo would be allowed as they are, in effect, partners.
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
7:30pm
Kinda reminds you of the French Army revolt on the Western Front in 1917, doesn't it? Just selected a few men at random from those units revolting, shoot them, and Pierre's your uncle!

Why not just stomp on some innocent user to send a message? Been standard practice with police forces here for years - grab some bloke working on his own at night driving on the roads and call him a criminal, and up goes your crime resolution rate! Don't laugh - it's a documented fact!

Je Suis Logo!

http://www.pascoevaledentalgroup.com.au/upload/medicarelogo.jpg

http://www.pascoevaledentalgroup.com.au/upload/medicarelogo.jpg

http://www.pascoevaledentalgroup.com.au/upload/medicarelogo.jpg

So sue me.....
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
7:33pm
One of the complaints from Scotland, especially the Highlands, after the Jacobite revolution was put down and laws imposed - was that the use of law by the English was a continuation of war by other means... same with the Anti-Irish Laws that drove my Irish ancestors out here....

We need some Bravehearts here....
grounded
24th Nov 2016
7:53pm
@Trebor....Very well said. Being 7th generation Australian/Irish Catholic...since 1813, from unbroken Irish bloodlines until my generation, some of who initially arrived in shackles, I have to concur with you totally.

Sad thing is, William Wallace...or such like, wouldn't last a second with the politically correct, free speech opponents who now operate in this country.

Gawd Trebor...he'd take one look at Shorten and vomit....then scream 'draw me...quarter me'...
SGW
24th Nov 2016
6:41pm
Post the logo on facebook and send it viral see the what the legal pricks want to do about that
heemskerk99
24th Nov 2016
7:43pm
the comments of the likes of trebor, labor mick, we all know where his alliance lies, w.station, wonder if he knows when it is raining unless his pink glasses fog up, h.s., his comment says enough of his mental capacity, rae, sold out to the labor party, hoping they would grant him an easy life, plan b, go back years and you will see the same posts of him/her, not senile yet, he will never be sane, should have been locked up years ago, one day we hope that your lot will be able to use your brains, I won't keep my breath, you might wake up that you live in the best country on this world, if you don't believe me, you are free to migrate to any country you think you can do better with our blessings, my advise, start using your brains instead of sitting on them even if we know you were last in line when they were allocated.
grounded
24th Nov 2016
7:59pm
Damn you 'heemskerk'...you get me into so much trouble with Labor Mick.

He gets it into his head we are one in the same person...It's as if Labor Mick can't think and chew gum at the same time.

Oh...like your Post...so irrefutably true and correct. You obviously know your stuff.
Oldman Roo
24th Nov 2016
8:26pm
heemsberg 99 , denigrating people with a different opinion with conjecture and sarcasm demonstrates your true colours and everything you say could be used in reverse on you . If you can not debate with rationalism and respect you should join a political party but me feeling is you are already a member of the LNP .
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
11:50pm
Ah, yes - the old 'Slag The Trebor' trick, eh? Missed by THAT much!

What does 'living in the best country in the world' have to do with allowing every jumped-up, greedy, self-interested twerp to grab a mighty chunk of it to feed himself and his cronies at our expense, Heemie?

What kind of small, dark, Central European country do YOU come from, that you feel that any and every thing that 'City Hall' comes up with must be followed slavishly - or you will be gulaged in one way or another?

Or you an acolyte of Nick Greiner and Co?

We live in an ENLIGHTENED country, son - and one in which people are ENTITLED (not trademark) to express their views and to pursue wrong when and where they see it.

It's called having the balls and the intellect to seek Right (non trademark) in the way your country, your life, and your society - and those of your descendants - is run!

I have grandchildren - I don't want them to sell themselves on the sex market to make a few bucks.... I want them to prosper in a country fit for heroes - and MOST (but it seems not all) who've made it through millions of years of 'natural selection' fit that bill adequately.

Though I have doubts about some.... dear God..... where did we get them?
Oldman Roo
24th Nov 2016
8:09pm
The Liberals certainly have a hide , especially after they told voters what they liked to hear in the Abbott era and and consequently dishonoured some of the promises once they won the election . If voters did not have to fear Labor,s left faction there would not have been another election victory for Liberals . So where do we go from here when the 2 party habit voting is so entrenched in the minds of too many and , no doubt , too many are forced to vote on matters they do not understand .
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
11:54pm
You got that right, Roo - Labor are their own worst enemy with their ultra-left rubbish.... I've tried to tell them - they don't want to listen.

In pursuit of former discussion - I'm one of those that some people here seek to label a 'leftie' because I don't toe the line for City Hall - I am somewhere between the two - and only seek to prosper on my own merits.... something in very short supply these days.

Historical anecdote:- JFK once said that any organisation (he meant the US government) that could not incorporate dissent based on a reasonable basis - was not a strong organisation.

I think that rings some bells here...
Hawkeye
24th Nov 2016
10:14pm
To Mr Mark Rogers
As a citizen of Australia, I am one of the owners of the Medicare Logo (and of the DHS).
I hereby authorise you to use the subject MEDICARE name and branding as you see fit.

To Rachel Chua and the DHS,
As an owner of the DHS, I am rescinding any authority to continue your malicious persecution of Mr Rogers or anyone else over the use of any publicly owned property such as the MEDICARE name and branding. All legal action and similar bullying is to cease immediately.

There we are folks. Problem solvered.
grounded
24th Nov 2016
10:45pm
With simplicity of thought like that 'Hawkeye', you'd never need a shrink to unravel the complexities in your life....more a minder would be appropriate!
TREBOR
24th Nov 2016
11:55pm
Je suis Logo!!
grounded
25th Nov 2016
12:46am
Nitey-nite Trebor.....you too Hawkeye. Can't wait to see what our subject material will be for tomorrow.....
KeyC
25th Nov 2016
5:27am
What next hey? As if there are not far more important matters to attend to and furthermore it is us who have to foot the bill! Turnbull and co are turning out to be the real nasty and could do as well as some of the despots they supposedly despise!.
How about sitting down with the person concerned, listen to the people rather than stand-over. grrrrrrr
Well, come election time I trust all of us here on this forum remember these sorts of things that we as the electorate are subjected to. We are the ones who are really putting them into these positions and pay the grand salary and after politics package for the rest of their lives. Think about it. You get what you vote for.
cheers