24th Jan 2019
Government considers pre-election payment to pensioners
Author: Janelle Ward
Government considers pre-election payment to pensioners

Age pensioners could be in line for pre-election sweeteners from the Government, with Prime Minister Scott Morrison considering one-off cash handouts “in an effort to make sure the entire electorate will have a reason to vote for the Coalition”, The Australian Financial Review is reporting.

It says the Government has asked senior advisers to develop two potential one-off payments, with the first being a single payment to age pensioners and the second for families. The thinking behind the plan is to assist those who will not benefit from personal income tax cuts the Coalition has legislated to be phased in over six years.

If the payments plan goes ahead, they could be delivered before May – the widely anticipated date for the federal election – and announced in the 2 April Budget.

“It is understood the Morrison Government began canvassing the new payments in December and early January,” says the AFR.

“Contacted for comment, the Government did not deny it was considering the potential measures.”

What is your view about a one-off pre-election payment to age pensioners?

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    patti
    24th Jan 2019
    10:21am
    I am cynical - it probably won't be enough to change my life, and unless it's backed up by bringing us up to a living wage, it's just a inducement. They would have to change a lot more policies to convince me they want my vote. Having said that, I will take whatever they are offering - just don't expect me to change my views.
    Sen.Cit.89
    24th Jan 2019
    11:37am
    It will not change my vote either because I will be voting for the coalition. I don't want Australia to become Socialist. I've thought of voting Independent but I'm afraid that the Conservatives need all the votes they can get to stop the Socialist from taking over.
    A witticism informs us that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Since Socialism has always failed, isn't it insane to keep adopting it?
    Pentop
    24th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    Depends on your definition of "failure"!!!
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:09pm
    Depends on your definition of Socialism........ Neo-Conservatism has been doing the same things since the heady days of thatcher and Reagan - for no good return to date... and let's be honest - a viable economy has always been a mix of socialism and capitalism working side-by-side... and even the LNP are 'socialist' to a high degree...
    Lothario
    24th Jan 2019
    12:16pm
    and the LNP hasn't failed. in the last 6 years they have failed big time. Don't vote for the LNP or ALP, put them last. Send them both a message that Australia is over this 2 party bullshit.
    Knows-a-lot
    24th Jan 2019
    12:54pm
    Sen.Cit. Australia already is socialist. And thank God for that! You enjoy the benefits of Medicare and so on, don't you?
    Batara
    24th Jan 2019
    1:30pm
    Sen Cit 89 - people like you get us senior citizens a bad name. The young people think we are all rusted on Liberal acolytes. I can assure you that old people, apart from the Neanderthal element, look at policies and make up their mind after looking at performance of the incumbent government and the policies proposed by each party.
    Please stop undermining the senior citizens community by posting crap about fear of socialists - for crying out aloud - do you even believe that yourself or do you get your lines from the Liberals and Sky News after dark?
    LUVCO2
    24th Jan 2019
    1:51pm
    Trebor wrote "Depends on your definition of Socialism.."

    Here's my definition ... Venezuela, Nth Korea, USSR, etc etc

    At last ... I've discovered one good thing about socialism!!
    SOCIALISM FIGHTS OBESITY!!
    Venezuela. In 2016, 74% of the population lost an average of 19lb of weight. A third of the population eats 2 or fewer meals a day. 1.5 million scavenge for food in the trash.

    “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented,” President Donald Trump.

    “Socialists cry “Power to the people”, and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean – power over people, power to the State.” Margaret Thatcher

    Marxism resulted in 100 million civilians murdered in the last 100 years Marxism has been tried 100 times in 100 years on 6 continents It has never worked Not even close, and always results in cultural destruction, immeasurable catastrophe, widespread death, and suffering.

    Don’t let anyone tell you communism was never tried
    Over 100 documented cases of catastrophic failure on five continents and 85 countries that tried socialism/Marxism 100 million dead. Dreams crushed. Families ruined
    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/940087593667928065

    Why do most, if not all, socialists move to capitalist countries, but socialists never leave capitalist countries for socialist countries?

    Fundamentally, leftist ideas don’t work. Thus it's not surprising that leftists thrive where
    ideas don’t have to work such as universities!

    The Leftist Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness
    https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Mind-Psychological-Political-Madness/dp/0977956318
    LUVCO2
    24th Jan 2019
    1:56pm
    Extract from the book The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness

    https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Mind-Psychological-Political-Madness/dp/0977956318

    The Liberal Mind is the first in-depth examination of the major political madness of our time: The radical left’s efforts to regulate the people from cradle to grave. To rescue us from our troubled lives, the liberal agenda recommends denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence, rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft, ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the duties of citizenship. Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions. Radical liberalism thus assaults the foundations of civilized freedom. Given its irrational goals, coercive methods and historical failures, and given its perverse effects on character development, there can be no question of the radical agenda's madness. Only an irrational agenda would advocate a systematic destruction of the foundations on which ordered liberty depends. Only an irrational man would want the state to run his life for him rather than create secure conditions in which he can run his own life. Only an irrational agenda would deliberately undermine the citizen’s growth to competence by having the state adopt him. Only irrational thinking would trade individual liberty for government coercion, sacrificing the pride of self-reliance for welfare dependency. Only a madman would look at a community of free people cooperating by choice and see a society of victims exploited by villains. [From The Liberal Mind; The Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., MD]
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:44pm
    In that case you are totally wrong, Luvvie - socialism, like capitalism, covers a range of varieties and gradations - your pointing to extremes is not helping anyone, but clearly shows a very trapped mindset - trapped in the 1950's.

    Even the United States has elements of socialism... it has to...
    MICK
    24th Jan 2019
    8:48pm
    Here's the hounds been let loose again.

    This government having savaged pensioners and self funded retirees is behind in the polls and thinks it can now buy its way out. I mean uncle Rupert has also turned against the swine in government trying to get its dictatorship up and running.
    Times up. You stuffed the country, triple the debt, ran your witch hunts against Labor and unions, hid the wealthy from scrutiny, tried to enslave average Australians with your pro dictatorship legislation and now you want to be re-elected? Roll out the guillotine. Time for the execution. May you rot in hell where most of you belong...along with the pitiful trolls you employ to post your lies.

    WE NEED A NEW GOVERNMENT.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    6:21am
    A new government that will savage SFRs far worse than they've been savaged to date - including those that were savaged worst already, who will now be wiped out by Short-on-brains for committing the terrible sin of having saved to fund their own retirement and spare the taxpayer a huge expense?
    Greg
    25th Jan 2019
    10:39am
    OGR - Still exaggerating, not ALL SFRs rely on dividends, not all SFRs even own shares (directly or indirectly).

    "wiped out", yeah, sure.
    SFR
    25th Jan 2019
    3:21pm
    Not exaggerating Greg, from the NSA (National Seniors Australia)
    "It is estimated that 1.2 million of Australia’s 3.6 million retirees were self-funded in 2017 up from 1 million in 2013
    . It is also estimated that individuals over the age of 65 years receive
    half ($1.1bn) of franking credit cash refunds going to individuals, with an average value of
    around $5,000.
    While it is positive to see the number of self-funded retirees is growing, National Seniors is extremely disappointed that once again self-funded retirees, many of whom do not have significant incomes, are being targeted as a source of revenue."
    Certainly not ALL Greg, but, a significant number I think you will agree and unfairly targeted at the lower end of income.
    If you haven't worked it out yet, VOTE INDEPENDENT and remove the major parties or at least make them earn their pay.
    Rae
    27th Jan 2019
    8:59am
    Looks like Labor has promised whoever actually runs the country that they'll deliver the SMSF money into the financial industry funds preferably Industry but I don't think they care.
    In return for help in the election. What they don't like are all these upstarts running their own funds and beating the professionals at their own games.

    Easy to see the desired outcomes here. SMSFs made unproductive and unviable.

    Thinking either Party runs Australia is a mistake. They both do as told by the top dogs.
    Misty
    27th Jan 2019
    9:48am
    How do you come to that conclusion Rae?, have you actually rung your local Federal member for both major parties and asked them what their policies for SMSF are?
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    29th Jan 2019
    11:16am
    I've rung them, Misty. And they haven't a clue - either how the policy is actually worded, who it affects, or how. And our Fed member IS Labor. However, what we do know is that the OECD has now declared the policy 'foolhardy and dangerous' and we also know that some 2.6 million Aussies who THINK they won't be affected will actually lose.

    "As many as 2.6 million people in large superannuation funds will be affected by Labor's franking credit changes, the Financial Services Council says.
    If elected, Labor will make excess franking credits non-refundable, denying some retirees a cash refund at tax time.
    While anger over the policy has been largely from those with self-managed super funds and some observers have claimed that non-SMSFs will not suffer, the FSC claims more people in large regular funds will be affected than any other group.
    “In 2015-16, refunds were worth $235 million to large super funds, with 50 funds receiving refunds," the FSC says in a submission to a parliamentary inquiry examining Labor's proposal.
    “The average refund was $4.7 million per fund. There were 2.6 million accounts in these funds, so up to 2.6 million Australians benefited from refunds in these funds." "

    I'm not anti-Labor generally, and I certainly don't support the Libs, but this is JUST BAD POLICY. It might have been designed to kill off SMSFs, but it will do far worse than that.
    Misty
    29th Jan 2019
    12:26pm
    Well if the local Federal member does not know how on earth does the OECD know?.
    Misty
    29th Jan 2019
    3:23pm
    OGR if you ring Luke at Dr Mike Kelley, mp's office, 02 6277 2442, he can tell you just how you will be affected by the FC Policy, my Financial Advisor did not understand it either and had given me the wrong info so he is being sent a facts sheet.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    12:14pm
    Clearly, from your other posts, Dr Kelley's office hasn't a clue either, Misty, because it is absolute rubbish to say a pensioner won't be affected if their shares are held by their super fund. The super fund is NOT a pensioner. No super fund can claim FC credits under Labor's policy unless they have a large proportion of members in accumulation mode to offset their claim. I assure you, your Financial Advisor would be a far more reliable source of information, being INDEPENDENT AND UNBIASED AND HAVING YOUR INTERESTS AT HEART - not those of a political party.

    As to what the OECD knows - a lot more than a dumb MP who is towing the party line! It's quite obvious to anyone with any knowledge of economics that this proposal is dangerous and economically harmful.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    12:15pm
    But thank you for your attempt to be helpful, Misty. I appreciate the effort and the sincere intent. It's not your fault politicians are so untrustworthy.
    Misty
    1st Feb 2019
    2:17pm
    Yes OGR I don't know why the Labor Party have made no attempt to explain this proposed FC change, it is ridiculous, so much wrong information being bandied about, you would think if they want people to vote for them they would at least put a full page fact sheet in the press and an ad on TV.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    3:30pm
    I think they know if they reveal the truth of the policy they will lose the election hands down, Misty. They don't want it understood, because the truth is that it doesn't touch the wealthy, but will do enormous damage to average and struggling Australians - and certainly not just SFRs - and it poses a major threat to economic growth. Did you know that expert economists the world over say Australia's unique franking credit policy is likely one of the major factors that saved us from the worst of the GFC? One the concerns the OECD expressed is that in countries where company tax is not returned to taxpayers to avoid double or unfair taxation, companies are much more likely to have to finance growth with debt - and that's a bad thing. Our FC policy assists liquidity to drive company growth and job creation. It also encourages investors to invest domestically, which is good for the economy.

    And apart from the broader issues, Labor certainly doesn't want the populace to know that well over 3 million people will be worse off under a policy they are selling as targeted at the wealthy (but doesn't hurt the wealthy at all!)
    KB
    24th Jan 2019
    10:24am
    I will take any offerings however this will not sway my vote towards the Liberals. I vote according to fair and decent policies
    Adrianus
    24th Jan 2019
    4:24pm
    And a fair and decent policy is not one which puts money in your pocket?
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:51pm
    Not when it's a blatant bribe, Adrie... then you touch forelock, say 'thankee, squire'.... and then vote your own way, KNOWING that the next lot will play the same game book as the lot you just threw out, so you may as well take whatever you can get before they take it back from you.
    Adrianus
    25th Jan 2019
    8:20am
    Why not have the courage of your conviction and refuse it?
    Strummer
    25th Jan 2019
    8:39am
    The Libs give me $50 of my own money and in return they expect me to tolerate another 3 years of their infighting and dishonesty?
    No Deal!
    andromeda143
    24th Jan 2019
    10:32am
    Cynical vote-buying will not sway me, but since we could do with a boost to our pensions... bring it on!
    rtrish
    24th Jan 2019
    12:13pm
    I would prefer a rise to pensions on-going but I would take a one-off - any kind of extra
    is not to be sneezed at! None of it would influence my vote, though.
    rover
    24th Jan 2019
    10:36am
    A very shallow attempt to secure my vote at the expense of taxpayers. He will need to do something that is permanent to secure a better lifestyle for all pensioners to
    ensure the capture of my vote.
    Aquarian
    24th Jan 2019
    10:55am
    I don't think a BRIBE will work on this occasion.
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:23pm
    Not after they destroyed the Retirement Incomes system with their Asset Test changes of Jan 2017. Disgusting, indeed insulting, BRIBE.
    Linda
    24th Jan 2019
    10:58am
    It stinks to bribe voters with handouts to entice them to vote. This is terrible idea for our country as a whole. A windfall or token payment, either way, will end up costing us in energy, and other messed up policy ideas. The current government seems to believe Australians will take a bribe to get a few extra dollars at the expense of what is best for all Australians. The ABC for example represents high value news and entertainment for Australians and the commercial stations are now owned mostly by one guy. What a terrible thing that one guy gets to fill all of our heads with his kind of thinking to make himself rich and to have a government that will roll over to his greed.
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:00pm
    Yes Linda the ABC should be protected and remain independent but Scomo wants into put his mates to run the joint, bit strange don't you think?
    LUVCO2
    24th Jan 2019
    2:09pm
    music wrote "the ABC should be protected and remain independent"

    This was true when the ABC was impartial and reported objective facts.

    Too bad it's been taken over by extreme left wing activists who filter all their "news" to have a strong leftist bias, especially on their incessant shilling for left wing causes like the "globalwarming®" scam and open borders.

    ABC now stands for the Aust Bolshevik Collective!

    NEVER trust anything the ABC (AusBolshevikCollective) says about "globalwarming®" http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/

    NEVER trust anything the ABC(AusBolshevikCollective) says about "globalwarming®" http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/19/data-models-and-the-australian-abc/
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:46pm
    Yes - since the LNP pogrom agaisnt the ABC, they are decidedly more favourable to the right than the left ..

    That seriously needs to be addressed - thank you for pointing it out Luvvie...
    dolbt60
    24th Jan 2019
    10:59am
    I totally agree with all that Patti has written
    Trying to buy votes from seniors I too have a very cynical view i think its pathetic do they all seniors are stupid it wont change my current thinking
    Batara
    24th Jan 2019
    11:12am
    I am not an aged pensioner - I did 28 years in the ADF so not eligible.

    I would hate to deny people who need the money a small windfall, but to me this is a cynical and cruel act by a government who does not give a damn for pensioners until it comes time to vote. Do not be fooled people. The Liberals will never give you a fair pension. Their sympathy is for the rich and for big business. Be careful of their duplicity offering a bribe to get your vote.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    11:46am
    And the ALP will force hundreds of thousands onto pensions by unfair tax policies designed to tax battlers into poverty while leaving the wealthy well alone.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    11:48am
    PS Enjoy your ADF pension, because at least you have some security. Those of us who worked out guts out and saved to be self-funded in retirement are at risk of losing 30% of our income, purely through bastardry justified with blatant lies - and for no economic benefit, but rather through policy that will cause massive economic and social harm.
    Knows-a-lot
    24th Jan 2019
    12:58pm
    @OGR "And the ALP will force hundreds of thousands onto pensions by unfair tax policies designed to tax battlers into poverty while leaving the wealthy well alone."

    Bullshit!

    Your self-interested whining is like a broken record. Boring!
    Sundays
    24th Jan 2019
    1:16pm
    Give up Knows a lot unless you like being insulted. OGR will never see that her claims are exaggerated
    Batara
    24th Jan 2019
    1:24pm
    Only Genuine Rainey, I can assure you I worked hard for my retirement benefit. "Unfair tax policies designed to tax battlers" - holy cow - what planet do you live on? Most of these so called battlers you champion were born into rich families and added to their wealth through usury and exploiting other citizens. Anyone who actually worked - that is raised a sweat - is not going to be disadvantaged by reformation of the tax system to make the wealthy pay their share. "worked our guts out and saved" Pray tell what actual work did you do Rainey? We would all love to know.
    Sundays
    24th Jan 2019
    1:50pm
    OMG Batara, you must be new. OGR had a disadvantaged life and through hell and high water now has a small nest egg which Labor’s proposal on Franking Credits will affect. She could spend some capital, or restructure her affairs but no. She has written very, long diatribes on the subject. Bottom line. If you are a full pensioner you’re respected provided you did not throw your money away instead of saving and are now looking for a handout. If you are a part pensioner that is ok because you nearly made it to become a gold standard SFR but if you have manipulated the system to get the part pension, then you are a ‘stinking pensioner elite’. Batara, you are self funded but receive a Government pension that you contributed to and here jealousy by OGR rears it’s ugly head despite the hard work that you, nurses, police officers, paramedics and mid level public servants did.
    Greg
    24th Jan 2019
    2:27pm
    Sundays - "unfair tax policies designed to tax battlers into poverty"
    I can't see the exaggeration! Lol
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    3:31pm
    There's no exaggeration. And BTW. For all you MISLED. Pensioners WILL lose under the ALP policy if they are members of certain APRA-approved funds OR if they are invested in unit trusts. Another aspect of the policy that is discriminatory and unfair! Some lose. Some don't. And not based in any manner on wealth or income - but rather how your money is invested.

    Batara, you are completely misguided. The rich WON'T be hurt by Labor's unfair policy. Those who will suffer are the less well off who saved modest nest-eggs and are struggling to be self-funded. Anyone with more than $1.6 mil in super keeps at least part of their credits. Shorten's claimed targets - those with $2.4 mil + in super - likely aren't hurt at all.

    Those just over the pension threshold, with less than $900K between two of a couple, and potentially living in a very modest home in order to be self-funded, lose up to 30% of their income and many will be far worse off than pensioners. If share values crash - whether as a result of the legislation or for other reasons - these folk could well find themselves in a dire situation. Even so, they will have a strong motivation to spend up big and claim a pension. They are NOT wealthy by any measure, and vast numbers have far less than part pensioners who own more expensive homes.

    What work did I do? Mostly very low paid labouring work - physically strenuous and quite dangerous. And I was born and raised in poverty. Both my partner and I are orphans. Never had the opportunity to exploit anyone, but we were sure exploited often. And done over by stinking bureaucracies.

    And Sundays, if I was jealous, I would spend down and claim a part pension. I can if I choose. I prefer to be proudly self-funded. But I stand for fairness for all. And at no time have I ever slighted retired nurses, police officers, paramedics, or any other mid-level public servant, or hard worker. I worked bloody hard for what I have, and I respect and admire all who worked hard and honestly, but yes, I hold those who manipulate and cheat to get benefits in contempt.

    Batara is WRONG. Labor's franking credit policy will do enormous harm to many who worked very hard and raised a sweat, and very little harm to those that didn't. It is squarely aimed at POORER investors who do not have taxable income over and above their superannuation pension or other investment income, and at small business operators who structured their retirement plans around the prevailing laws - legally, honestly, ethically, and in accordance with government policy and recommendations at the time they made their plans.
    Sundays
    24th Jan 2019
    3:58pm
    Actually OGR, some of your posts have slighted those on government pensions and I was pointing out who the members actually are. My large super fund has written to members explaining that they won’t be affected by the proposal. If you or a partner receive a pension, not affected. Yes SMSF with money in Australian shares and who don’t pay tax will likely be affected. That is NOT every couple with $900k invested. As unfair as the proposal is, more unfair is the treatment of assets and deeming which affect a lot more retirees. I’ve noticed there are now lobby groups you can join who share your views. You should join them
    Sundays
    24th Jan 2019
    4:16pm
    There are just as many people who think Shortens proposal has merit and the current system is far too generous, as there are those who oppose it. It’s the same for all policy. Voters don’t have to all agree. Brow beating never works
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    4:45pm
    Most supporters of the policy are totally misled, Sundays. Like Batara, they THINK it impacts wealthy people. They haven't studied the facts and they haven't seen through Labor's blatant lies. Many have no understanding of what franking credits are even, so they accept Labor's blatant lie that it's 'welfare' or a 'rort', not recognizing that it's actually a fair and equitable refund of tax that wasn't owed but was taken from income anyway and NEEDS to be refunded to maintain the integrity of the tax system.

    And you are lucky. Hundreds of thousands of members of APRA funds - even large ones - WILL be impacted. And pensioners who have certain types of investment WILL be impacted. It's estimated at least half a million who will lose are unaware that they will.

    BTW. I have been equally vocal in opposition to deeming rules. And I am aware of and support lobby groups. That won't stop me commenting here. People need to understand how bad the policy is. And I will certainly continue to object to people like Batara making disgustingly offensive and baseless ASS-U-MEs about people and insulting them with claims they didn't work hard.

    I have responded to offensive comments by pensioners claiming superior entitlement and treating SFRs with disrespect and unfairness. And I will continue to. We should all be supporting each other in demands for fairness for ALL retirees.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:48pm
    I'm all in favour of a fair approach for everyone.......
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    10:05pm
    Spoken like a true NFI
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:57pm
    To be fair, KAL - I think we need to see the fine print and the nuts and bolts of Shorten's move to restore Dividend Imputation to its former non-glory - and how that directly affects individuals.....

    All I can see coming out of it is that companies will not use DI as a tax cheat any more...

    There is in reality no difference between receiving a pure dividend and then paying tax on your income, and having some tax put aside for you... UNLESS YOU ARE RORTING ... since the tax offset should equal the tax you should pay on income anyway.

    How many times, O Lord... must I explain this?

    What is needed is a full review of corporate tax and the ability of the fattest in the land to 'trade' shares through a superannuation account, thus reaping unwarranted benefit from dividend imputation on top of tax concessions.

    It's not really that hard.... I can see a simple answer right now.....
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:58pm
    Stay off the piss, Lothario - it adversely affects your limited understanding and intellect.

    What an NFI ......
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:59pm
    You're right, Loathie - I'm a scary guy... got you cornered, methinks, with your tax rorts....

    Hasta La Vista... BABY!
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    6:28am
    Trebor, Shorten is NOT proposing to let people collect their full dividend and pay tax on it at their marginal rate. THAT would be fair. What he is proposing is that it continue to be paid by the company and if you are lucky enough to have other taxable income to live on and you DI is just a bonus, or you are lucky enough to have a govt. pension and your DI is a bonus, or you have more than $1.6 mil in super, you can claim that tax back. But if you are a responsible SFR who saved and invested to spare the taxpayer the cost of your retirement and you have less than $1.6 mil and no other taxable income, STUFF YOU. You get ripped off - charged 30% tax and if it slashes your income to a level that you can't live on, milk your assets until you are poor enough to claim the OAP, but even then you don't get franking credit refunds 'cause you didn't manipulate to rort the system before March 2018. That's Short-on-Brains-and-Integrity's version of 'fair', and unfortunately, the selfish and the gullible who either won't suffer or don't know they will are content for him to lie his way into the Lodge and stuff the lives of 1.2+ million (at latest estimates) and the economy. But then, the unselfish and not-so-gullible are up against it, because the alternative is equally bad!
    Adrianus
    25th Jan 2019
    8:32am
    Rainey, you are trying to teach an elephant how to fly.
    Greg
    25th Jan 2019
    10:42am
    OGR - "milk your assets until you are poor enough to claim the OAP"

    But you're always saying how well off the pensioners are, now you're saying they're poor.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    7:10pm
    I never said pensioners were well off, Greg. I said pensioners who manipulated the system were well off - and they are. Many are far, far better off than hundreds of thousands of self-funded retirees.
    The wolf
    24th Jan 2019
    11:14am
    I will vote for small parties and independent. This is a vote buying exercise and prove the point of our politicians not fit to government us.
    So when the labour is in power they will do as Liberals and themselves did, musical chairs and the saga goes on.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:48pm
    Same here...
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:26pm
    Agree, no choice this time.....the musical chairs needs to be stopped.
    littlehelenb
    24th Jan 2019
    11:17am
    Only if it's about $250 to pay a bill - don't bother giving us bloody $8 !!!!
    The age pension is a struggle if through no fault of your own you have no superannuation or savings - it needs to rise about $35 a week to pay the rises in insurance and rates etc.
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:02pm
    Of course the money will go on a bill to Scomo's business mates.
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:00am
    .. who will raise the price to suit......
    Triss
    24th Jan 2019
    11:25am
    Probably he thinks we’re all in the beginnings of Alzheimer’s and we won’t remember all the times government has given out sweeteners and then reduced pensions and/or disability benefits to get the money back.
    On your bike, fella, we’ve been duped too many times.
    Pentop
    24th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    Exactly
    Jim
    24th Jan 2019
    11:28am
    Just a cynical attempt by a government that has lost its way and can not win the next election, people that have trusted this government have been let down badly, now they will pay for it, maybe some time in the political wilderness for the LNP might make other parties think twice before taking us for complete mugs, although I doubt it.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:12pm
    All the majors need some time in the wilderness......
    Nanna52
    24th Jan 2019
    11:29am
    Thank you very much. Should make them feel good and I won’t tell them that my vote is between me and the ballot box and I have become very cynical lately.
    kram
    24th Jan 2019
    11:36am
    So you would all take the money. You seem to think that Bill is not going to take more from you.
    I worked too hard and saved, so I am just outside getting any hand-outs, therefore I'm in Bill's sights. I get LESS than the pension and perks (because of the current system) but not long before he drives me down to needing government support too with the probable boost to my income.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:13pm
    Seems to me the preceding six or so years have a lot to do with that... you may need to remove that right side blinker...
    Batara
    24th Jan 2019
    1:33pm
    Tell us what hard work you did Kram. Come on don't be shy about it.
    Adrianus
    24th Jan 2019
    4:29pm
    kram, you're not alone. With $200 billion in planned additional taxes by Labor they will also hurt their own voters. Just as Hawke ruined the retirement plans of workers with taxes on Superannuation so too will Bill Shorten.
    The terrible tragedy is that with all the extra taxes they will never balance the budget.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    4:37pm
    Oh, Batara is at it again. ASS-U-MING (as Asses do!) that people who object to Labor's unfairness must not have worked hard. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG, Batara. I don't know kram's history, but my partner and I were poverty-stricken orphans who did heavy low-paid manual labour all our lives, and Shorten is going to decimate our income with unfair tax. Stop being an ASS and start learning the facts.
    kram
    25th Jan 2019
    11:59am
    Batara, I see from your other posts you say you worked hard but without any specifics and being polite I'll take that as true and just hope you were not just a "Labor Staffer", but see you did not save enough or so arranged it to let the government support you in retirement.
    You asked what hard work I did. I have spent the last 52 years as a printing machine operator, something I am still having to do due to the bad policies of various previous governments.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    26th Jan 2019
    9:03am
    Well, Kram, we've both answered Batara - with answers I suspect were the opposite of what was hoped for. I note Batara didn't extend the courtesy of revealing his/her occupation. Nor any retraction of the insulting assumptions.
    travelman
    24th Jan 2019
    11:40am
    Desperate move by a Prime Minister just shows, loud and clear, he and his government just do not have a clue. I must add Scott Morrison is the best asset Labour have for the coming election. As for me, Scott Morrison's promise to give pensioners a lump sum, must be fulfilled long before the election because I do not trust him to keep his promise. Does it mean I will vote for him at the next election if he keeps his promise? No comment.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    11:43am
    Buying votes should be illegal. It's total BS! People who don't benefit from tax cuts? What about others who don't benefit from tax cuts, like SFRs and low income single taxpayers? And really, what good is a 'one off' payment? It doesn't compensate for inadequate income or savage price rises in essential items. It might pay one bill, or enable one extravagance, and it's gone. And the government that bought votes is still there doing evil deeds and making life harder for battlers!
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:05pm
    A short term bribe is all it is, but it won't work for most people. I agree they should not be allowed to make these kinds of promises before an election, but don't they always instead of fixing the system.
    Dave R
    24th Jan 2019
    7:35pm
    Well OGR you got yourself into your situation. Your retirement could have been done differently. As far as I am aware people in your situation are about 4% of retirees so tough luck, stop whinging and rearrange your affairs.
    Dave R.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    8:20pm
    Dave R, I did what THE GOVERNMENT AND OPPOSITION SAID WE ALL MUST DO FOR OUR OWN BENEFIT AND THE GOOD OF THE NATION, and only selfish, self-interested, greedy arseholes would condone hurting people for doing what was right and good for the country. Unfairness is unfair. There is no way to 'rearrange' affairs to counter the damage. It is UNFAIR, DAMAGING, AND ONLY SUPPORTED BY THE SELFISH WHO WANT TO STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S EARNINGS.
    And you are DEAD WRONG about numbers and percentages. It's way more than 4%, and it's NOT the well to do being affected. There is no justification for dishonesty and evil. NONE. Except in the minds of the greedy and selfish.
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:05am
    Yes - but you can't dictate to the shares market what it will do.... governments try that by cash manipulation but it doesn't work.

    As many times before - NOBODY in retirement should fall in any way below the basic ... currently pension AND extras, but pension rate is under fire.... as too low.

    An SFR who gains less than pension and perks should receive a top-up for their tax contributions over a lifetime of work.....

    I Pity the Poor Unemployed,
    Who Trample Through The Mud....
    Sundays
    25th Jan 2019
    8:36am
    Trebor, they only fall below the pension because they refuse to draw on any capital. I’m sure full pensioners would all love $900,000 to fall back on. Also, despite what OGR screams, there are ways to reorganise your affairs if you so wish. the majority of SMSF do not have all their money in Australian shares but have a diversified portfolio. It is therefore nonsense that they will lose 30% of total income. The average SMSF will lose $5,000 p.a. If all your portfolio is in Australian shares then a share market crash should be more of a concern. SMSF in pension mode won’t get refund of Franking Credits but are still getting the benefit of dividends in the already low tax environment that is superannuation. Labor believes that it s a fiscally unsustainable arrangement that sees billions of lost revenue and want to return to the system that existed between 1987 and 2000. It is unfair to those who made plans for their retirement but not the first time governments of all persuasions have made disastrous changes. At least this time, there is plenty of notice.
    Sundays
    25th Jan 2019
    8:54am
    And OGR your language must be a great example to your grandchildren. Words like a....holes have no place on this site.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    6:56pm
    Sundays, managed funds and unit trusts also pay franking credits, so you can be well diversified and still lose close to 30% of your income. And yes, we can all draw on capital, and then go on the pension and have nothing for aged care in 20 years' time. We didn't go without to just hand it all over the taxman. We went without to provide for our future needs. Can't do that if ripped off with unfair taxes when we have 2-3 decades ahead with rising costs and having to deplete investments continually. And if full pensioners would love to have $900,000, they should have saved it. Most were way better off than I was and I managed to save it. Labor isn't going to save billions in lost revenue. That's a huge lie. It is simply impossible given the way they have shaped their policy.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    7:13pm
    If Labor's aim was to save money, Sundays, they would be taking from people at the higher end rather than the poorer self-funded who will be pushed onto pensions - negating any potential gain. Why are they exempting the wealthy from their attack? Why are they not basing exemptions on income rather than on a fake assessment of wealth? Why are they slugging people who invested in shares and SOME members of APRA-approved funds and SOME pensioners, but exempting others?

    You simply don't do that if the motive is economic. It isn't. It's political and it's evil.
    Sundays
    26th Jan 2019
    7:36am
    Actually, the more I read of your posts, and your holier than though attitude the more I’m coming around to Labor’s policy. My reading is that people will lose around:$5,000 not the figures you bandy about. However, if you are right, then that will raise a lot revenue for things like employment, education, health, energy and the environment. Refunding Franking Credits to people who pay no tax is something we can no longer afford, no different to the worker who has lots of work related expenses but because their income is so low that they don’t pay tax they can’t claim them. The exemption for pensioners is political, but I don’t begrudge them their small refund. I’m self funded, but not greedy and don’t expect to hoard my capital, but use it for my retirement without needing further tax breaks.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    26th Jan 2019
    9:17am
    NOBODY who pays no tax is getting any franking credit refund, Sundays. That's what is so wrong with Labor's unfair BS.

    The refund is a refund of TAX PAID THAT WASN'T OWED.

    Nobody gets refunds of tax that was never paid in the first place.

    If tax taken from dividends paid to people with other taxable income is refundable, then it's CRIMINAL THEFT AND FRAUD to retain tax taken from income of folk who have no other taxable income. Labor is taking from those who need the refund most, and letting the rich keep rorting. And there will NOT be any money for health or education, because those who lose will either rearrange their affairs (if they are able - and many cannot) or have to go on the OAP and cost the nation more. Labor's figures are all BS anyway, because they are based on pre TBC legislation which changed the scene radically. They haven't even admitted that their proposal DOES NOT target people with $2.4 mil (their claimed target) because those people now pay tax.

    It would be far more sensible to take money from those who can well afford to lose it - those with adequate other income to live on.

    And I don't begrudge pensioners who NEED their refund either, but vast numbers are far, far wealthier than tens of thousands of SFRs - me included. I DO need the tax break to stay off the pension. And so do tens of thousands of others. It's NOT greed. It's a demand for fairness and good public policy - which Labor's proposal is absolutely NOT, failing on four major criteria.

    If we can't afford to refund tax paid that wasn't due to people who need the income to stay off pensions, then we can't afford to let wealthier folk claim refunds either, just because they are already being greedy by claiming pensions they don't need, and we can't afford to let high income earners and wealthy retirees claim it off their tax.

    I am not greedy or 'hoarding my capital'. I saved for known future expenses and I have barely enough to meet them. Being ripped off with unfair taxes will mean they are totally unaffordable and 30 years of sacrifice benefited nobody but the tax cheats and greedy politicians.

    And BTW. $5000 is an estimated AVERAGE. Many will lose far more, and many will lose far less. That's what AVERAGES are. But those most in need of fairness will lose the most. And that makes THIS Labor team unfit to govern and a mob of lying hypocrites, because that's NOT what Labor stands for.
    Sundays
    26th Jan 2019
    12:19pm
    What we can’t afford is to keep the largess introduced by Costello in 2001. Whether the Labor figures are based on balances of $2.4 or $1,6M it is still a substantial return to revenue. $5,000 is an average for retirees drawing $50,000 income. A loss which is a lot less than those affected by changes to the Asset test and Deeming. You’re not getting a tax break unless you pay tax. Simple example. Share profit $1,000 made up of $700 franked distribution and $300 Franking credit. You currently pay no tax, so you get $300 back in Franking Credits. Net to you $1,000. Taxpayer paying 30% tax. They get the $700 distribution, but have to gross up to $1,000 on tax return. Then pay $300 tax that’s already been paid. In effect they would only add $400 to income. That’s why they can use their Franking Credits to offset tax and net $700. So why, should SFR who have self managed super funds (not all SFR) get $1,000 and the taxpayer only nets $700. I can see why Labor a calling it a loophole. It should be used to reduce tax, not give people cash refunds.
    Greg
    26th Jan 2019
    12:47pm
    Sundays - Exactly, there's the other side of the coin to think about, those non-refunded credits are worth billions which can be used elsewhere in the economy, even help out the OGR's of the country.

    OGR - You say there won't be billions saved, how do you honestly know that. You have access to ALL the required figures, you know the amounts of all the credits, who will be able to apply the credits to reduce their tax, who won't be able to get refunds. Be truthful you don't know all the figures, you're just guessing.

    I know this is going to affect you, and many others, but it's not world ending, you will survive, just start using some of your assets instead of hoarding them to pass on to your children. They may feel entitled to the money, entitlement is strong today, but they're not, they can make their own way. Changes to policy like this ALWAYS affects somebody, some good some bad, like the assets/income test changes, that's life unfortunately.

    Also the economy is not going to fall into a heap because of this policy, I know you think it will but it won't, there's more to a country's economy then refunding of franking credits. I know some people may pull money from the stock market but it won't be massive and individual investors are a small portion of the market, institutional investors are the market movers, the big fund managers have the big money and they'll still keep it in stocks here as where else will they get their returns from.

    Actually you may decide to pull your money from the stock market and you can then thank Bill for the enticement to do so - before the world economy crashes again and stock values worldwide dive, harder, faster and longer then last time - be careful, the big one is coming....
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    26th Jan 2019
    4:56pm
    So Sundays and Greg, neither of you subscribe to Labor Party values of fairness or supporting those most in need, but rather agree with handing out to the rich and ripping off battlers.

    I already pay my way. I save the government some $50,000 a year by being self-funded.
    I repeat, NOBODY IS GETTING FRANKING CREDIT REFUNDS WHO DOESN'T PAY TAX.

    30% is deducted and paid to the ATO. If it was deducted from my bank account as withholding tax, I'd get it back. If I ran a property rental business and paid PAYG tax, I'd get it back. It is NOT OWED, so it should be refunded. Taxing SOME retirees at up to 30% while others retire tax free and still others are given a top-up income is NOT FAIR, not consistent with Labor values in any way, and NOT conducive to economic growth. Even Bowen himself has said the aim is to take money OUT of Australian companies - companies that pay tax and hire people. And put it where, instead? Into foreign investment.

    If the Labor Party had any integrity at all, they would employ the very obvious, fair and equitable measures of saving and redistribution that have been recommended over and over and that are glaringly obvious - but that would mean taxing people more who can afford to pay more.

    I am a member of several retiree groups and the average income of members is less than $50,000 (for a couple), the average loss is between $8000 and $12000 year, and 80% of members will be forced onto pensions. That is NOT good economic management. It is NOT beneficial. And Sundays, very few have anywhere remotely close to $1.6 million. Most are struggling to get close to $1 million invested.

    And what about workers? If a low wage earner invests in shares, he is ripped off. If a high wage earner invests in shares, he gets a fat benefit from the taxman. Party for the workers? NOT.

    Greg, if I take my money out of the stock market, where would you suggest I put it? Into property, which is crashing? Into foreign investments, which are more dangerous than domestic and mostly pay no dividends, so I would have nothing to live on. Drain my savings to fund services for other people and have nothing left for the purposes I saved for. There is NOTHING reasonable or fair about taking the livelihood of people who have already paid and paid and paid, and are saving the government $50K a year, while handing out to people who don't contribute as much (albeit vast numbers have a far greater capacity to contribute).

    The Labor Party is advancing the idea that nobody should have any freedom to determine what they want to do with their money. We all have to be poor lame ducks at the mercy of the welfare system in old age. Spending freely is rewarded. Being self-sufficient or putting money aside for future needs is not allowed. That's a recipe for economic disaster, and anyone with a brain will not dispute that. We need MORE people to save for old age, not less.
    Sundays
    26th Jan 2019
    7:05pm
    Well, it will be a long time ( if ever) before you can spend down eneough to qualify for anything like $50,000 from the Government. I’m sure you have some slight of hand calculation whereas no full pensioner actually gets anything like 50k. You clearly don’t understand how taxation works in regards to Franking Credits. I hope you have your records in order if you ever get audited. I’ve read submissions from retirees to the Parliamentary Standing Committee. A few genuine people, the rest are petulant, angry they will have to cut back on overseas holidays, sell the holiday house. I gave up reading the self serving rubbish, just like I’m giving up on your self interested posts.
    Sundays
    26th Jan 2019
    7:30pm
    ..and don’t just blame Labor. The co-alition have refused to address the anomalies and grandfathered Centrelink rules which plague the retirement sector
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    29th Jan 2019
    11:30am
    You continue to misrepresent my comments, Sundays - or misread them. I never said anything about getting $50K from the government. I said that was the approximate cost to the government of paying a pension to a couple, given high administration and policing costs and benefits and concessions.

    I most certainly DO know how tax works in regard to franking credits. In fact, that's one of my few areas of expertise. And I don't just blame Labor. I have written repeatedly to LNP politicians objecting to their failure to address huge anomalies in Centrelink rules and retirement funding policies in general. But the OECD now has come out warning of hideous economic damage from Labor's policy and declaring it seriously flawed, and it's now been revealed that some 2.6 million members of larger super funds will be hurt by it. The extent of harm it will cause is only just being realized. And nobody can reliably claim savings from it because, in Noel Whittaker's words, ''Malcolm got there first'. Most of the claimed savings have already been made through the TBC.

    And if you think I am self-interested, you couldn't be more wrong. My concern is far more focused on the overall harm that will result. I will get by just fine no matter what Short-on-brains and his dopey mate Bowen do. I'm a survivor. It's the economy that really worries me - and the hurt battlers will suffer when share values fall and unemployment increases as a result of taking money out of Australian companies that need it for growth.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    29th Jan 2019
    11:30am
    You continue to misrepresent my comments, Sundays - or misread them. I never said anything about getting $50K from the government. I said that was the approximate cost to the government of paying a pension to a couple, given high administration and policing costs and benefits and concessions.

    I most certainly DO know how tax works in regard to franking credits. In fact, that's one of my few areas of expertise. And I don't just blame Labor. I have written repeatedly to LNP politicians objecting to their failure to address huge anomalies in Centrelink rules and retirement funding policies in general. But the OECD now has come out warning of hideous economic damage from Labor's policy and declaring it seriously flawed, and it's now been revealed that some 2.6 million members of larger super funds will be hurt by it. The extent of harm it will cause is only just being realized. And nobody can reliably claim savings from it because, in Noel Whittaker's words, ''Malcolm got there first'. Most of the claimed savings have already been made through the TBC.

    And if you think I am self-interested, you couldn't be more wrong. My concern is far more focused on the overall harm that will result. I will get by just fine no matter what Short-on-brains and his dopey mate Bowen do. I'm a survivor. It's the economy that really worries me - and the hurt battlers will suffer when share values fall and unemployment increases as a result of taking money out of Australian companies that need it for growth.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    29th Jan 2019
    12:32pm
    And the folk I see as self-interested are the green-eyed monsters who want to be supported by the taxpayer but think people who saved should have everything taken off them and handed to others. Living on your capital merely means GIFTING 100% of the benefit of saving to the tax man. Makes saving utterly pointless. Makes much more sense to spend down to well below the asset threshold and let the government support you.

    If we restored the benefit of saving, we'd have far fewer struggling in old age, more money for aged care, more people donating to charity, and higher spending driving business growth, tax revenue and jobs. But that would be sensible, and I've yet to see much evidence of sense in current Labor Party policy. Seems their objective is suppression, and to achieve that, you need to make as many folk as possible welfare dependant. They clearly hate folk who are self-sufficient.
    Grateful
    24th Jan 2019
    11:43am
    "The thinking behind the plan is to assist those who will not benefit from personal income tax cuts the Coalition has legislated to be phased in over six years."
    Then, let's be fair dinkum and remove the cynicism. First, calculate the average tax savings that they propose to give on a fortnightly basis and include that amount in the basic age pension fortnightly payment. That will be the acid test of how fair dinkum they are.
    Then, in recognition of the PROVEN fact that those on the full age pension, especially those who are renting, are well below the poverty line, make a one off bona fide lump sum payment that they were considering to those relevant pensioners. Oh yeah!
    And while they are at it, what are the other parties and independents proposing, because the whole age pension system needs a MAJOR overhaul of the the amount and the eligibility. Now, would be the ideal time to do so.
    Ted Wards
    24th Jan 2019
    11:47am
    So they are already aware that they have nothing to offer apart fro bribes...at least their being upfront about it!
    jzb
    24th Jan 2019
    11:53am
    Totally agree with you Sen.Cit.89!
    Jilly B
    24th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    I do not like the attitude that it will buy ones vote but I would ask all voters to carefully study the amount of money found when office was taken over when a new government was voted in. So if millions of dollars are available to a new government they can make big wheels of themselves by spending wildly and then leave the acount empty if they look like missing out on being re-elected. So like GW did and others who followed they spent and spent and left nothing and some of the Liberals did not do so well either. It takes considerable intelligence to work out WHO will govern the country and for ALL people to live within their means both young and old!!
    Pentop
    24th Jan 2019
    12:01pm
    Given that the polls say they will not get in... give away the so called surplus and then you have created that deficit that you can then blame Labor for!!!
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:08pm
    I was thinking along those lines too, they seem to spend up and then blame the next party, always seem to be that each change of leadership there is a spend up and then blame and then tightening of the belt so to speak and who are the ones that suffer from the consequences not politicians that's for sure.
    Blinky
    24th Jan 2019
    12:05pm
    If Morrison really wants to help pensioners they should increase the skinny asset test to $500k or exempt the first $100k in super from the asset test. This would not be a handout, but a fair incentive for people to save x their retirement! Can you pass this on to him?
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:29pm
    No, scrap the Assets test....could you pass that on to him?
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:34pm
    In fact, I will ask him to deliver Universal Age Pension based on Age (65 years) and Residency (15 years) with NO other tests, and with those who don't qualify to line up in Centrelink.

    Maybe you and others can also ask him what YOU want, it's a free country - simply go to the Prime Minister's website and give your comments. And, tell him we won't vote based on any insulting "one-off payment" BRIBE such as what they are planning.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    26th Jan 2019
    9:00am
    I'm with you 100% GeorgeM. Scrap the fake assets test that has nothing to do with wealth or capacity to support oneself, but is all about demolishing incentives to be responsible, honest and diligent. Universal pension is the way to fix the retirement system - and it would be enormously economically beneficial. Far less expensive than stupid handouts, and would win far more support if promoted sensibly, with proper explanation of the massive benefits.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:07pm
    Well..... it IS an election year, and the pork barrel will be rolled out....

    We've been told for six years or so now that pensions will ruin the budget, that the retirees are too big a cost in healthcare, that we're all a pack of bludgers who are greedy etc...

    Now it's - we need your vote to stay alive.... so here are the sweeteners...

    And it's Retiree this and Retiree that,
    And Retiree wait outside...
    But it's special gifts for Retiree,
    When the vote is on the tide....
    The vote is on the tide, my boys, the vote is on the tide,
    O it's "Special gifts for Retirees'' when the vote is on the tide......

    (apologies to Rudyard Kipling)
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:16pm
    Will the same ones who criticised "Kevin Kash" come out and criticise this?
    thommo
    24th Jan 2019
    12:07pm
    This is obviously a bribe, but I won't be voting for the LNP,,,,ever.
    They changed the assets test in January 2017 and reduced my part pension by about $14K per year, and they expect me to forget that with some miserly pre election bribe..
    They must be kidding...
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:36pm
    They assume voters are mugs....unfortunately many are! Otherwise they would not have won last time after that disgusting attack on pensioners.
    robmur
    24th Jan 2019
    12:12pm
    OK Morrison is promising a cash handout before the election. What has Electricity Bill going to give us? Reading today's paper it would seem Labor is on a cut, cut mission and increasing taxes, Very popular election policies for the aged. As usual aged pensioners are going to be the bunny to support which ever party wins government. The philosophy is, the old don't need money, let them suffer more hardship, they're easy pickings.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    12:15pm
    Let's make it a bidding war... and we want a huge rise cemented in place forever.....

    A good rule for negotiation is not to accept their first offer..
    Batara
    24th Jan 2019
    1:42pm
    What "today's paper" would that be Rob? You don't read the Murdork press by any chance. Do you actually believe anything written in any Murdork publication? You poor sod.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    4:48pm
    My, my.... an ASS who makes wild assumptions and throws personal insults based on ignorance calling Trebor a 'poor sod'!!!!!
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:52pm
    I think he meant robmur..... but thanks for rising to my defence.... me poor - why - I'm as rich as the guy in The Last Tycoon.... lived on a beach and set up a table under the stars on which to wine and dine a beautiful lass...

    Don't need money to be rich.....
    GeorgeM
    25th Jan 2019
    11:41pm
    Agree, TREBOR, let's make it a bidding war!

    Who will Reverse the 2017 Asset Test changes?
    Who will scrap the Asset Test altogether?
    Who will scrap the current Broken Age Pension system, and replace it with Universal Age Pension?
    Come on, all Retirees - write to your MPs and the Leaders - ask them the Questions above to decide who to vote for!
    trood
    24th Jan 2019
    12:13pm
    A one off, how much? will it ever be enough to vote this garbage out of government
    Chris B T
    24th Jan 2019
    12:16pm
    Why special payments, just increase the OAP and Family Payments.
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    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:10pm
    And unemployed too, they vote as well don't they?
    Chris B T
    24th Jan 2019
    5:49pm
    Unemployed payment was only to tide one over to next job.
    Not a replacement, not all unemployed receive this payment and have to make do with there own savings.
    Long term unemployed very lucky to receive this payment.
    Voting is compulsory so if you don't vote a fine is issued, up to them.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:54pm
    Well - Bro Shorten wants to pay the girls for staying home and sprogging - their personal wish.... so that means all the unemployed, disabled etc must receive a living wage - not money to tide them over...

    Anyone not in full work for any reason must be paid AWE... that is the logical end of Labor's kind of reasoning on paying the girls more per hour actually worked....
    Chris B T
    25th Jan 2019
    9:49am
    This Post is about Pensioners first then Families.
    No mention of the introduce commentary of Unemployed, there has been separate posts about that subject.
    You could make comment there about the unemployed.
    Mad as Hell
    24th Jan 2019
    12:21pm
    If they reverse the 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test and back pay me my stolen pension payments from that date, yes I will vote for them. Just like Tony Abbott promised on the eve of the 2013 election “.......no cuts to pensions.....”
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:08am
    Give me and my ex back pay on CS and PPL indexed, and we'd both be in clover....
    Arvo
    24th Jan 2019
    12:21pm
    Hmm, how much to bribe my vote? - "It better be well over $100,000!!!
    Lothario
    24th Jan 2019
    12:22pm
    buying votes. Just giving back a pittance of what they have gouged out of the pensioners over that 2 years when they increased the $1.50 to $3.00 per $1k on assets. Just increase the OAP or introduce a universal pension.
    mogo51
    24th Jan 2019
    12:33pm
    As a pensioner, I will gladly accept the payment. But it is like putting a 10 day old band aid on a sore!
    This is just a blatant attempt by the Coalition to buy the pensioner vote, but it will fail. Pensioners do not forget that easily and not as stupid as Morrison thinks they are!!!
    ollie
    24th Jan 2019
    12:34pm
    I will not vote for a party that only looks after the wealthy but I will hold my hand out. Do they think a handout will get my vote not likely. What pensioners and hard working families need is a decent cost of living increase .Everything is increasing under this mob except wages and meanwhile the rich are getting richer private health cover is now unaffordable for most Australians the more people that rely on the public health system the worse it will be that is what they are creating it seems to me that is what they are trying to achieve is to abolish medicare.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    3:12pm
    Better not vote Labor then, Ollie, because their proposals are squarely aimed at overtaxing battlers to look after the wealthy. They do lie well, and deceive the gullible, but a proper analysis of their policies shows they will hurt the poor far worse than the Libs - just maybe not as directly.
    Misty
    25th Jan 2019
    9:33am
    OGR you told me before that you never tell people who to vote for, it is everyone's own individual choice who they vote for.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    6:49pm
    I'm not telling anyone who to vote for, Misty. I am simply suggesting that IF Ollie doesn't want to vote for a party that looks after the wealthy, he/she should avoid voting Labor, because they are looking after the wealthy. They have been very careful to target upper working class battlers and retirees with very modest savings and make sure the wealthy are left well alone. It's Ollie's choice to vote however he/she pleases. I'm just making the point that voting Labor IS voting for a party that looks after the wealthy. That's an inescapable fact, despite their lies and uncanny ability to fool the gullible.
    london
    24th Jan 2019
    12:48pm
    I think that 50% off gas,electicity.water council rates would be a better idea
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:12pm
    Electricity was below zero per kilowatt in Germany recently because of an oversupply, they had to encourage Germans to use electricity to bring the price back up.
    bumper
    24th Jan 2019
    12:50pm
    Don't forget folks this is the person (Synthetic) Scott who slashed our pensions in half a few years ago all because we listened to John Howard and done the right thing and skimped on holidays and other luxuries and tried to save for our retirement. DON'T TRUST any of them, after the election they will probably move the goalposts again!!!!!!!!
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:56pm
    No 'probably' about it if they get back in... it will be back to the same old thing over and over..
    Knows-a-lot
    24th Jan 2019
    12:53pm
    Pork-barreling from the inept Lieberal vermin will not save their stinking hides.
    Practicalsam
    24th Jan 2019
    12:55pm
    What about people on the Disability Pension, they get the same small amount of money as the Aged Pension & disability pensioners vote too Mr Morrison. People on any pension severely struggle to pay their bills, rent to put food on the table to buy their prescriptions & to afford doctors appointments too. Why don't you give EVERYONE on centrelink benefits the one off payment Prime Minister Scott Morrison why don't you give the same amount of money or more that Kevin Rudd did when he was Prime Minister because he looked after ALL pensioners & those on centrelink benefits but you don't Mr Morrison. If you want people to vote for you then start looking after them because the amount of money people get on the aged pension & disability pension is sim0ky not enough to survive on, but what do you care, you get paid so much you don't have to worry about where your next meal is coming from or if you can afford to pay for medicines etc. I dare you Mr Morrison to live a month on centrelink benefits & then say those on benefits get enough money to live on, but then again you won't even get to see any of the comments on this article.
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:15pm
    Yes I don't think it is fair to all the others on Centrelink benefits, but he is trying to win the votes of pensioners because of what he has done in the past he knows they are taking their votes elsewhere.
    Irish lassie
    28th Jan 2019
    3:29pm
    Those currently on age pension with exception of mainly Muslims, have worked, paid income tax, and therefore have paid into the Pension fund - which unfortunately was by agreement between 2 major parties used to pay off the debts cause by WW2 in 1950.So today theier payments go into General Revenue and get spent.

    Since then their contributions, 7% on Income Tax towards their age pension, along with the later Medicare Levy, all go into Consolidated Revenue, and get spent on anything the government of the day decide in Budgets. And still some are able to work a bit and want to.

    Keating should have taken this into account when dreaming up Super. Which has taken over from the Pension or so designed. And is not subject to being half-inched by agreement between the major parties.

    Age pension like Super is for retirement from the work force, others on New Start, Disability etc still have some ability to work for their living.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    11:54am
    And what about those retirees NOT on the aged pension, Irish lassie. You think THEY didn't pay tax into the pension fund? But look how many are supporting Shorten's plan to rip them off!
    Teddyboy.
    24th Jan 2019
    12:56pm
    It would have to be a very big hand out to stop me trying to get rid of this lot.
    Sen,Cit 89. It is not socialism that fails but people and greed. Which will be proved if this bribery were proved to be successful.
    Your definition of insanity is just as relevant to the Right of politics.
    Sundays
    24th Jan 2019
    12:59pm
    All this shows is that Morrison has no long term plans to reform the pension system. Does he think people are that gullible?
    Misty
    25th Jan 2019
    9:35am
    I am sure they all think us oldies are ready for the Nursing Home.
    Maggie
    24th Jan 2019
    1:10pm
    It's called buying votes. Robert Mugabe did the same in Zimbabwe - only he bought votes for bags of food.....
    Where are the people of integrity we need to govern our country?
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:17pm
    Petrol is over $4 a litre in Zimbabwe, and there is a shortage of food, it is a big mess, and scary of what can happen if the wrong decisions are made. Meanwhile Mr Mugabe was meeting Putin over diamond deals.
    musicveg
    24th Jan 2019
    1:21pm
    Bribery
    Robbery
    Incentive
    Buttering up
    Enticing
    Rogue
    Yardstick

    Well I tried anyone got one better?
    floss
    24th Jan 2019
    1:24pm
    And guess what folk it is going to be called The Hockey Refund.He ripped billions off Retirees and now they are trying to buy our vote not bloody likely .If shorten tries a similar trick he will go the same way.
    Rae
    24th Jan 2019
    2:38pm
    I don't think they plan to help the retirees they ripped off. They hate independence and self reliance apparently and will punish savers until they learn that consumption is everything good and saving bad.
    LUVCO2
    24th Jan 2019
    1:44pm
    Pentop wrote "Depends on your definition of "failure"!!! "

    Here's my definition ... Venezuela, Nth Korea, USSR, etc etc

    At last ... I've discovered one good thing about socialism!!
    SOCIALISM FIGHTS OBESITY!!
    Venezuela. In 2016, 74% of the population lost an average of 19lb of weight. A third of the population eats 2 or fewer meals a day. 1.5 million scavenge for food in the trash.

    “The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been faithfully implemented,” President Donald Trump.

    “Socialists cry “Power to the people”, and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean – power over people, power to the State.” Margaret Thatcher

    Marxism resulted in 100 million civilians murdered in the last 100 years Marxism has been tried 100 times in 100 years on 6 continents It has never worked Not even close, and always results in cultural destruction, immeasurable catastrophe, widespread death, and suffering.

    Don’t let anyone tell you communism was never tried
    Over 100 documented cases of catastrophic failure on five continents and 85 countries that tried socialism/Marxism 100 million dead. Dreams crushed. Families ruined
    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/940087593667928065

    Why do most, if not all, socialists move to capitalist countries, but socialists never leave capitalist countries for socialist countries?

    Fundamentally, leftist ideas don’t work. Thus it's not surprising that leftists thrive where
    ideas don’t have to work such as universities!

    The Leftist Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness
    https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Mind-Psychological-Political-Madness/dp/0977956318
    Lothario
    24th Jan 2019
    3:30pm
    Yes LUVC02 & those same countries are full of corrupt high end of town business who are protected by the government & fight tooth & nail to protect not only their wealth & increase it but their power as well, while the rich get richer & the poor poorer.
    Sound familiar, sounds like LNP policy
    jeffr
    24th Jan 2019
    1:47pm
    Once a "Salesman"always a Salesman.....and I have never trusted any of them, especially this Prime Minister, he even makes a car salesman look good.
    Gaby
    24th Jan 2019
    2:20pm
    Too little too late, if it were not for a forthcoming election, this 'could not care less' Government would have ignored us as they have done for years. The pittance they hand out does not match the largess of money handed to their 'millionaire' mates. This will not change my voting preference. It is all about equality. Socialism ? really ?
    Jaz
    24th Jan 2019
    2:27pm
    I am neither leftist or rightist I am a realist and anyone who thinks otherwise than that payments to pensioners timed as they are is anything more than an out and out bribe in order to get their vote is REALLY kidding themselves.
    PlanB
    24th Jan 2019
    2:31pm
    Sounds like the $1000 Howard gave us b4 he brought the GST in -- but by the time 6 months had gone by we had paid out $100 and more in the GST we had to pay
    Robbo
    24th Jan 2019
    2:31pm
    Okay it appears from the majority of the comments none of the pensioners on this sight seem to want what is to be given which is fine.
    In my opinion they are grossly overpaid so lets say we reduce the pension by a $100 a week and lets see how they go?
    What a saving for the Government.
    Rae
    24th Jan 2019
    2:35pm
    Robbo the way they bag socialism it appears they don't want welfare or free education and health either. Quite odd really. Then again I won't get the money but I may get a tax cut from overseas investments so I don't really care one way or the other.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:59pm
    Let's reduce your income by $100 a week - get back to us with the result of your experiment....... (rolls on floor laughing after falling off chair)...
    Rae
    24th Jan 2019
    2:32pm
    Very bad move. Rudd gave that $900 to boost the economy and look at the problems that it caused.

    This is a socialist policy most have said they dislike. So is welfare and medicare. Good capitalists don't need to be dependent on the State or taxpayers at all.

    Use the money to pay back the huge debt we already have.
    bob menzies
    24th Jan 2019
    3:21pm
    Rae - for me the bigger problem wiht that $900 was how many were given to deceased people and also thousands to people who were living overseas. I recall one lady who said she had been in Canada for 28 years and trued to return her cheque but could not. For ordinary. I also heard that sales of TVs went through the roof at the time
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    24th Jan 2019
    3:33pm
    Yet folk with $0 income at the time got NOTHING.
    Adrianus
    24th Jan 2019
    4:21pm
    I got one of those cheques from Gillard, but I refused to accept it. Returning the cheque was not only difficult but very time consuming. I had to cash the cheque and right another one to Centrelink. I think a few will sell out to the highest bidder unfortunately setting a bad precedent.
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    9:25pm
    Rudd gave away borrowed money
    This government is giving surplus to the needy
    Big difference
    Misty
    24th Jan 2019
    11:27pm
    Really Adrianus, difficult and time consuming?, how difficult is it to cash a cheque and write another one?.
    Greg
    25th Jan 2019
    12:11am
    Lothario - This government is giving surplus to the needy.

    Yeah, okay....so the government is not borrowing any more money, is that right?
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:14am
    The current government have doubled the debt.. everything they spend on is on borrowed money....

    Let's not be silly, Loathie.. most households have a mortgage and maybe a personal loan.... you can't blame Rudd for giving out a bit of what was in the till one way or another - economics doesn't work the way you seem to think it does.....

    but then you only know and 'understand 'economics' from the point of view of a small investor who thinks it's all beer and skittles.... like any small time gambler in that category you imagine that as long as it gives you a dollar it must be good... Gordon Gecko......

    Son - economics is much more complicated than that... especially at the highest levels...
    Adrianus
    25th Jan 2019
    8:29am
    Very difficult Misty, I could not find anyone in Centrelink who knew how to handle such a transaction as I went further and further up the ladder to find the sepository of all wisdom. It was explained that CLink was not designed to accept money, their job was to distribute money. Of course I congratulated them on doing a fine job in getting that distribution up to 30% of our fed budget. To which they proudly agreed. The whole process took around 6 weeks because It was assumed that I was some kind of nutter.
    Misty
    25th Jan 2019
    9:39am
    I could respond as to what Centrelink thought you are Adrianus but you might be offended, so I will keep quiet.
    Greg
    25th Jan 2019
    10:47am
    Adrianus - "It was assumed that I was some kind of nutter"

    Well there you go, they had you worked out.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    3:48pm
    Adrianus, honesty and integrity are so rare nowadays that apparently the Centrelink staff just can't cope when they come across it. Neither can the Labor Party cope, evidently, with responsible people of integrity who work hard to fund their own retirement and just want a fair tax deal. No problem doling out to hundreds of thousand more pensioners who wouldn't need pensions if they were dealt with fairly. But can't handle integrity and self-sufficiency.
    shirboy
    24th Jan 2019
    2:49pm
    "Beware of GEEKS bearing gifts".
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    8:59pm
    Beware of freaks bearing grift.....
    Dorliz
    24th Jan 2019
    2:59pm
    A decent increase in the age pension would be far better than a one off hand out.
    Polly Esther
    24th Jan 2019
    3:01pm
    You don't catch many fish with an un baited hook.
    You can not even give an approximate amount for your
    so called "sweetener".
    Another throw away I suspect aimed to get everyone up in arms and arguing with each other.
    PS. again
    Paddington
    24th Jan 2019
    3:11pm
    Thank you. Now, address the issue of big companies paying no tax and all the super wealthy tax loopholes. Lock it all in pre election as well.
    Robbo
    24th Jan 2019
    4:23pm
    Obviously you are a bit of a failure Paddington no doubt a leaner on welfare and probably have been all your life , hmm let ME think a Labor voter with a low I.Q?
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    9:02pm
    Nah - Paddington has a variety of views... some 'right', some 'left'....

    I had one of the three highest IQs in a school of 1200 students - I don't vote for Labrador or Lifters of National Poverty ..... IQ has nothing to do with the reason people vote the way they do... nor does their work history......
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    9:24pm
    Which big companies pay no tax ?????
    You believe all the b/s the lefties spew day in day out
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:18am
    **falls about laughing**

    Easy Meat!

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-13/one-third-of-australian-companies-paid-no-tax-ato/10614916

    And what tax they paid did not include consideration of the billions (often)they shipped offshore before tax time...

    Easy Meat, Lothario.....the ATO is soooooo leftie....

    You're a laugh a minute, son....
    bob menzies
    24th Jan 2019
    3:18pm
    the point to note is that according to the electoral commission the largest voting block is now over 50s with more than 3.5 million voters out of 15 million. The over 60s is over 2 million and growing by 250,000 per year.
    I don't think we prefer from having a Minister for the Aged as a cabinet minister - either labor or coalition.
    The sheer number of voters of this age has reached a position that they can impact an election result
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    9:03pm
    .. and many are fired up to do so...... trouble is the choices... decisions, decisions..... which will it be.. hemlock or arsenic or that green toxic bile in the vial??
    GrayComputing
    24th Jan 2019
    5:04pm
    SO IRONIC
    GetUp and many other saner parties voted down to $50 Billion that the LP and PM wanted to give to the banks and their super rich mates and companies that pay no taxes.
    Now that insane plan for their rich mates was thwarted in parliament the LP and PM are pretending they have a lot of (tax payers) money to throw around and are using this same $50 Billion to pork barrel the election.
    How ironic is that the money what getup and other saved is being against them!
    Andy
    24th Jan 2019
    7:19pm
    God, what a heap of no good shit most of you people write by bet is you are too scared of change.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    9:08pm
    Oooh - the old 'scared of change' line, eh? Anyone who opposes some silly change is 'scared' of it... Jesus God, man - I suppose you think those who opposed gay marriage are terrified of gays under their bed?

    I vote NO on SSM - but I'm waiting for an invite to a gay or lesbian wedding from rellies..... the two are vastly different thing..... one can oppose an issue on principles, but shrug and go along with it once it is in.... disagreeing with a policy is not the same as opposing it utterly .... a point I endeavoured to make to the CPS over affirmative action -that disastrous policy ... I totally disagreed with it but it did not affect my work - which was more important? That I continue to do my work or that I toe the official line absolutely like a good minion?

    I quit and within two years was earning as much 'outside' as the head of the bureau..... on MY terms....
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    9:56pm
    Union thugs make money from inside jobs and have plenty of friends on the outside to bribe them as well. I wouldn’t be skiting if I were you Trebor .
    Nothing to be proud of
    Try doing a decent job for a living instead of being a parasite
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:40pm
    And business and LNP thugs don't? More LNP swine have been caught out through ordinary investigation than Union etc people in a Royal 'Commission' - and the high flying banks have been brought to heel ...

    'skiting'? You have zero idea of who and what I am, but I know with every fibre of my being that you could never be one tenth of what I am..... that's why they call me by the title I have.... and I've achieved far more in this lifetime than you or most others.....
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    11:45pm
    ROFLMAO :)))))
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:19am
    You need to - it's all you've got....... KID!
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    6:19am
    What change do you think people are scared of, Andy? Exactly who is proposing what 'change'. Neither ALP nor LNP have disclosed an original idea in years. Just recycling old failed policies and stuffing up the nation with their respective favouritisms and bribes. No change!
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    9:22pm
    This is a caring government that is fiscally responsible . This government creates surplus budgets trough prudent financial management and uses the savings to assist those in need
    Unlike the big spending financial disaster waiting to happen under Shorten
    Misty
    24th Jan 2019
    11:33pm
    B--l S--t Lothario.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:44pm
    **falls about laughing**

    You are a laugh a post, Loathie...

    'surplus budgets' - we're not interested in 'surplus budgets' - we want a genuine return at year's end.... not some pie in the sky fantasy riding on unicorns in the lead-up to an election... suddenly after six years of dire negativity and budget crisis - we are supposed to believe that the tooth fairy has suddenly found a vast stash of gold?

    ** falls about laughing **

    Get back to me in twelve month's time, when the 'surplus budget' has had a chance to run its course....(LMAO)....
    Adrianus
    25th Jan 2019
    8:34am
    I agree Lothario. Look no further than the age pension which is now adjusted to higher amounts for those most in need.
    ex PS
    27th Jan 2019
    8:27am
    Yes a very caring government, unfortunately the only thing it cares about, starting from the first day in government, is the next election.
    It immediately starts to " save" money in order to finance bribes for the voters. They give us are own money back and expect to be rewarded for it.
    Charlie
    24th Jan 2019
    9:46pm
    I'm easily bribed with handfuls of cash...I did say handfuls
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:44pm
    I prefer concretor's wheel barrows......
    Hairy
    24th Jan 2019
    9:57pm
    Stick it up your ass Morrison you have whipped me for a year now you want to stroke me with a feather . No amount of money would make me vote for you or your grubby theiving cohorts.
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    10:07pm
    I suppose you prefer Bill Shorten in high heels and leather to whip the last ounce of blood out of you
    Good luck
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:47pm
    Whoa.. whoa.. hold the feather! He's pissing down your back and telling you it's your morning shower and the start of a brand new day .... and a golden one at that....

    High heels and leather was the portfolio of Alex (The Real Thing) Downer....

    Where YOU bin, Laden?
    FormerLaborVoter
    24th Jan 2019
    11:48pm
    Go to bed Trebor
    And don’t forget your meds
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:21am
    Oooh, big one, kid - and soo right on the money...

    You are a laugh a minute.... take your meds, sonny, before mummy comes and tells you to get to bed....

    Got you every time..... KID!
    Lothario
    25th Jan 2019
    1:13am
    The only meds Lothario use are those purchased in the women's aisle. They'll be cheaper soon to with the GST exemption ROFLMFHO
    ex PS
    27th Jan 2019
    8:23am
    I accept being ripped off by this government, but for them to give me back some of the money they ripped off me and expect me to thank them for it by giving them my vote, well that is just insulting.
    I note that when the Liberals make savings, it always seems to come from the ones who can least afford it. When they have tax cuts most of them go to big business with a few crumbs for the rest of us to keep us quiet.
    Bill Shorten or practically anyone else in a mankini would be better than anyone the Liberals have at the moment.
    Misty
    24th Jan 2019
    11:40pm
    From what I read here, it would seem people are quite happy to take the one off payment, but it doesn't seem like it will influence their vote one iota.
    Misty
    24th Jan 2019
    11:43pm
    I think the majority of Australians have already decided who they are going to vote for, it would take something very unusual to happen to make them change their minds.
    TREBOR
    24th Jan 2019
    11:48pm
    Take whatever you can from these parasites - they've done it to you for 50+ years.
    Chooky
    24th Jan 2019
    11:58pm
    ProMo need to start singing ‘can’t buy me love, no, can’t buy me love no,no’.
    He can stick his little bribe. He’s done nothing to address the 110,000 waiting for Aged care package, his RC into nursing homes is only because it’s an election year. He was dragged kicking and screaming to a banking RC which has barely touched on the criminal behaviour of the banks. He’s done nothing to address power prices and he doesn’t actually have a tax policy.
    TREBOR
    25th Jan 2019
    12:22am
    MyAgedCare got some household help for the ex - takes some burden off me.... I'm not that well myself.... and it is a pain....
    Misty
    25th Jan 2019
    9:43am
    Expect some sarcastic replies to that comment TREBOR.
    ex PS
    27th Jan 2019
    8:17am
    Don't worry Chooky, he will not be the Captain of his ship for much longer, every day we seem to be seeing the rats deserting as the ship sinks lower and lower. A sure sign that there is no hope for the ship is when the rats start leaving, none of them want to spend the next decade on the oppositions benches.
    The Liberals need a comprehensive over haul, but the back room boys will not want to lose control.
    Dyadco
    25th Jan 2019
    1:01am
    I also am cynical.
    I would much rather see the 2 year residency rule scrapped for Australian citizens who have worked in Australia for 35 or more years and live overseas. Its an impossible hurdle for many who are simply unable to move back to Australia either for personal or financial reasons.
    leek
    25th Jan 2019
    7:29am
    As my father told me when I was a little girl " you can fool some of the people some of the times, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time". hopefully the good citizens of australia will see through this.
    SuziJ
    25th Jan 2019
    9:11am
    Is it just the Age Pensioners who would be receiving this 'one off' payment, or all pensioners? I don't come into the Age Pension group (yet), nor am I in the Family group. So do I miss out completely?
    SKRAPI
    25th Jan 2019
    11:31am
    socialism fails because people become poor & Govs. rich. we have no say & the deal signed by labor gives U.N.. total control & ownership of our land /homes & assets .REASON CONSERVATIVES FAIL . LABOR ALWAYS LEAVE MASSIVE DEBT WHEN PEOPLE GET SICK OF THEM & THROW THEM OUT . CONSERVATIVES COME IN & BEAVER AWAY 2 REIGN IN THE DEBT .PEOPLE THINK THEY R HARD DONE BY BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES DON'T FOOLISHLY
    SPLASH MONEY AROUND SO RETURN LABOR iT'S LIKE A DOG CHASING IT'STAIL IF WE RIN DEEP DEBT WE R A TARGET 4 TAKEOVER BY OTHER COUNTRIES & ESPECIALLY THE UN WHO R just waiting 4 a republic 2 pounce on us & take full control i'd rather B a poor man & free than a controlled slave of dictators . living on bowl of rice a day .
    Misty
    25th Jan 2019
    12:28pm
    Biggest load of rubbish I have read here yet SKRAPI.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    25th Jan 2019
    3:57pm
    Sadly, SKRAPI is right about why socialism fails and Labor signing away our rights in the deal with the UN. I think both parties bear similar responsibility for overspending and debt.
    kram
    25th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    Batara, I see from your other posts you say you worked hard but without any specifics and being polite I'll take that as true and just hope you were not just a "Labor Staffer", but see you did not save enough or so arranged it to let the government support you in retirement.
    You asked what hard work I did. I have spent the last 52 years as a printing machine operator, something I am still having to do due to the bad policies of various previous governments.
    arbee75
    25th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    Will accept the payment but won't change my vote
    ex PS
    27th Jan 2019
    8:10am
    Same story every election with this mob. Cut this cut that and then a miracle, election time, take all that money that has been saved and " Give" it back to the Plebs in order to buy their votes. Reverse Robin Hood take from the poor to give to the poor.
    They are just giving us our own money back, where did the money come from in the first place? The sad part is, they do it every time and people seem to fall for it every time.
    We get the government we deserve.
    Since we are talking in generalistic exaggerations, I guess we need to ask ourselves, which is better for the people, a Socialist System or a Fascist one? We will end up with neither but since we are dealing in fantasy, let's go all the way.
    Needy
    27th Jan 2019
    9:46am
    Why all this talk?..
    They are going to give pensioners and family some money so let them. All this crap in the comments is not necessary. I will vote for whoever I want to anyway.
    If the next Government is left with a blown out budget because they gave the money to pensioners and family then good. They have to remember they might be the next Government so be careful. OR. They might not be. But I don’t care I just want a once only payment of a very large amount. Then I’m happy.
    Misty
    27th Jan 2019
    9:57am
    It may not be necessary to you Needy but other people like to air their views, don't read them if that is the way you feel.
    Greg
    27th Jan 2019
    10:35am
    "But I don’t care I just want a once only payment of a very large amount."

    Keep dreaming.....

    It won't be large and it won't last long, ridiculous the way the Libs do this type of thing every election and many people fall for it.
    musicveg
    27th Jan 2019
    1:27pm
    Meanwhile....................

    They are planning on spending nearly $50 M on reenacting Cooks voyage of circumnavigation that he didn't even do:
    https://www.change.org/p/scott-morrison-stop-the-govt-spending-almost-50m-on-commemorating-cooks-first-voyage?

    I could think of many better things to spend this money and I am sure others here could too.
    ex PS
    27th Jan 2019
    2:20pm
    Yes this government is convinced that no matter what, going in ever diminishing circles is the answer. And most of us know what happens when you do that. It is destined to disappear, I am too much of a gentleman to tell you to where they will disappear.
    BERRYUPSET
    27th Jan 2019
    1:39pm
    I`ll take the money and run and YEARN FOR THE GOOD OL JOHNNY HOWARD DAYS!
    Tisany 2019
    27th Jan 2019
    2:24pm
    It’s the LNP bribing for votes. They won’t win my vote. Just more of their crap!
    Adrianus
    30th Jan 2019
    8:27am
    No they wont win your vote, but they will win quite a few votes. This was proven by the Rudd/Shorten and Gillard/Shorten governments. It works as a political strategy.
    ChristineS
    27th Jan 2019
    4:00pm
    They can "woo" all they like - this little black duck is not going to be sucked in. I've been watching the political scene, not just before the election. Pork + Barrel = a chicken in every pot. Hah!
    Blinky
    27th Jan 2019
    5:13pm
    Another handout! This does not address the problem. The pension system, including superannuation, should be more seriously discussed in a task-force made up of a relevant politician or two plus a group of people who've already retired. Handouts are band-aids. We need a better system, period. Both parties have had the opportunity to fix it but none of them have!
    Misty
    27th Jan 2019
    7:41pm
    Maybe they all need to live on the pension for a year and see how they manage, and maybe then they might do something more constructive.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    29th Jan 2019
    11:21am
    Well, the problem is that somebody has to pay for the pension. Many pensioners are happy to see those who save to be self-funded crucified and their standard of living wiped out, but when ten or hundreds of thousands more are reliant on the public purse because their investments no longer return adequately, where will the money come from to give pensioners more? I think the pension should be increased, but it can't happen if the disincentives to save are continually increased and more people are encouraged to manipulate or overspend to qualify for benefits. It's all very well to say ''spend your capital', but why go without to save if the ONLY beneficiary is the tax man?
    Adrianus
    30th Jan 2019
    9:30am
    Misty, you obviously don't understand what happens when we reach an imbalance between welfare recipients and taxpayers. Have a look at the Northern Territory? Where 10% of the population are Public Servants and the rest are on welfare. They are borrowing money to pay the interest on their debt. It doesn't work Misty.
    Misty
    30th Jan 2019
    11:33am
    And who is borrowing money to pay the debt Adrianus?, isn't the Coalition going to bring down a surplus budget soon?, all smoke and mirrors.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    11:50am
    It will take a lot more than a couple of surplus budgets to wipe out the national debt, Misty. If they allocate the surplus to welfare, it will disappear quickly, and we'll be right back to square one - looking for more ways to cut welfare because it's costing too much.
    Misty
    1st Feb 2019
    2:24pm
    Adrianus, today the Coalition borrowed another $400 Million dollars, I am no financial expert so can you tell me why is the govt still borrowing money if the budget will be in surplus?.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    3:35pm
    I'm no expert either, Misty, but maybe it's to do with timing of receipts. A business can forecast a profit for the year but still have to borrow while they wait for all their customers to pay their accounts and to complete contracts that take time to fulfil. I assume it's the same for government. People and businesses don't complete their tax returns for months after the end of the financial year, and then they have months to pay up, so the government might know there is money coming in to create a surplus but not actually have that money yet.
    Blinky
    29th Jan 2019
    12:48pm
    This is a question to my life choices: what do you do with our comments? Do u pass them onto the govt or are they lost in cyber space where no one is listening?
    By the way, THANK YOU life choices x giving us the opportunity to share our thoughts n x keeping us informed. Keep up the good work!
    Adrianus
    30th Jan 2019
    8:24am
    I imagine any useful information, which probably accounts for a very small percentage, excluding the surveys of course, would be passed onto Greens and Labor for political analysis. That's just my opinion.
    ex PS
    30th Jan 2019
    8:51am
    Governments pay people to scan the media forums and log all of this information. There are software solutions that will identify certain words or phrases and dump any information concerning them into into easily digestible junks of data.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they were paying certain contributors by the word for spreading their propaganda and using this system to track them.
    Just a conspiracy theory, I obviously have too much time on my hands.
    Greg
    30th Jan 2019
    6:33pm
    ex PS - I know for fact it happens, there's some on here it would appear who are paid to make comments. Same as talk back radio, professional commentators call the stations to push the party's policies.
    musicveg
    30th Jan 2019
    1:37pm
    Talking about inbalances, the top 2200 billionaires income increased last year by $2.5 b a day!

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/21/world-26-richest-people-own-as-much-as-poorest-50-per-cent-oxfam-report?fbclid=IwAR0glmF8rhyplvWSlupWNI3k1S74ai2OJej6Qz-8xkb6LjgVsJZEhaAtN_c
    Greg
    30th Jan 2019
    6:34pm
    $2.5 B, that's pretty good - how are you going to spend all that musicveg
    musicveg
    30th Jan 2019
    6:37pm
    Geez I wish, buy my own house for a start and stop renting. Can't even win a little of lotto.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    1st Feb 2019
    3:32pm
    Now imagine if all billionaires donated just one day's income increase to reduce national debt! It's been suggested in the US and I think some billionaires liked the idea, but it doesn't seem to have gained any traction.


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