GST rise: opposed by 54 per cent of voters

The latest Newspoll results suggest a GST increase won’t be well received.

GST rise: opposed by 54 per cent of voters

As politicians return to the business of running the country, the latest Newspoll results reveal that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s party is in for a tough time selling the idea of an increase to the GST, with 54 per cent of Australians opposed to the changes.

The exact question asked of the 1837 voters from 28 January to 1 February was, “If the government were to introduce tax cuts for all income earners and compensation to low-income earners and welfare recipients as part of a package of tax reform, would you be in favour of, or opposed to, the raising of the GST from 10 per cent to 15 per cent?”

Results returned with 37 per cent in favour of the change, 54 per cent opposed and nine per cent remained uncommitted.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull revealed last week that changes to the GST were “certainly being actively considered by the government”. Treasurer Scott Morrison backed that statement this week by declaring that he will convince the Australian public of the need for an increase in the GST.

“We’ve got to do what’s right. That’s what we’re focused on, I believe that’s why the Turnbull government is getting the strong support which is also reflected in today’s survey,” he said.

Read more from www.theaustralian.com.au

Opinion: GST rise all but confirmed

Treasurer Scott Morrison had nothing to hide when talking to journalists yesterday, with his speech all but confirming his stance and that of his party in moving towards an increase in the rate of the GST. Labor believes the GST rise from 10 per cent to 15 per cent (representing a 50 per cent rise) is the smoking gun it needs to peg back the 53-47 two-party preferred lead that Prime Minister Turnbull’s party currently holds.

It’s timely that The Australian, through its latest Newspoll, asked such a specific question with regards to a GST increase, focusing on a rise that doesn’t disadvantage low-income-earners or welfare recipients. Such a specific question tells us that the Turnbull Government may have read and agreed with the research released late last year by Grattan Institute. If the modelling is adopted, the Grattan Institute Chief Executive John Daley believes that people in the bottom 20 per cent will actually be in a better position than they are today.

What do you think? Will the Turnbull Government push through a GST increase in the May budget or will they take it with them to the next election? Is a GST increase the most logical response to a budget deficit? Will a GST increase backfire on the Turnbull Government, giving the opposition a significant opportunity heading into the next election?





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    Capn Dan
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:15am
    Sure, give them more money. They are good at spending other people's cash.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:35pm
    Fully and Wholeheartedly AGREE !!
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:22pm
    awe, I wanna be on the love boat too :)
    maelcolium
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:21am
    If these turkeys got the economy moving again then there would be no need to increase the rate of GST as the take would increase as consumption increased. It wasn't so long ago that the coffers were awash with GST money as the Government has miscalculated the potential take when setting the rate at 10%, so they have probably got it wrong again.
    A nasty regressive tax that eats away at consumption while giving tax reductions to the corprates is hardly tax reform and ScoMO should get it through his thick melon that we haven't fallen for his "do the right thing" plea. What the hel does that bit of emotive claptrap mean anyway?
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:35am
    Agree an increase I GST will only stagnate consumption a lot more. The economy needs stimulating not increasing GST.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:57pm
    Oh, the LNP intend to reduce the timeframe to submit GST reporting to take the "burden" off business and reduce the paperwork.
    Swinging voter
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:22am
    15% under Malcolm Turncoat enjoying the occasional $9 million upgrade of the Lodge will do what Labor did when they introduced HECS - open the door for regular increases. What next - 20%? The public would be mad to accept it.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:29pm
    The lodge was left in such a mess that when Shorten returned Kevin 007, he said no thanks I'll work from home.
    Rae
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:40pm
    The Lodge certainly needed an upgrade although at the time I thought they should have sold it and built something more in keeping with today's super luxury dwellings on the shores of the lake together with a first class garden. It is after all our version of the White House and should be able to accommodate and entertain visiting heads of countries.

    When the $AU was 1.08 US would have been a grand time for a new first residence.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:59pm
    The roof was leaking the wiring was installed back when Nickola Tesla invented the light globe. This way it is still a museum but it's much safer for visitors. :)
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:44pm
    And NO DOUBT You will get an Invite soon Frank ! :-) :-)
    Say something Constructive and Interesting will You ? :-
    So You don't like the Labor Party !! :-(
    A long time since Rudd Chewed on the wiring in there ?
    And I'm sure if Tesla came back He could give someone a Lift with that Positive Wire + :-)
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:07pm
    The Rudd's hadn't flushed the loos for weeks, vote independent.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:39pm
    I enjoy the lively repartee in here but not when lies are told. Gillard was the tenant when the upgrade was decided. I remember this because Laurie Oakes mentioned they needed to get rid of an old boiler as well. I don't know whether Gillard asked for the upgrade or whether the department responsible for The Lodge made the decision but either way, it's wrong to blame Turnbull for the money spent. The decision was made before Labor left, the extra costs were associated with finding asbestos and by all accounts the repairs were necessary.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:34am
    If you only have x dollars to spend with any increase in GST something has to give. I see a lot of small businesses failing as people haven't got the same spending power. What is an extra 50,000 people out of work going to cost the government?
    Rae
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:42pm
    The New Zealand and Japanese governments both increased consumption taxes in this deflationary cycle and the results have been awful.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:28pm
    For once, Bonny, I agree with you. You are spot on this time.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:26pm
    Bonny, we imported 200,000 people out of work during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd 6 years so what's another 50,000?
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:00pm
    Dumb question, Frank. It's a further 50,000 people draining public resources. It's a further 50,000 taking taxpayer dollars to have a lot more kids to drain public resources.

    Stop harping on what you claim Rudd and Gillard did wrong. That's history. Two wrongs don't make a right, and certainly a thousand wrongs don't make 2,000 rights.

    We need to GO FORWARD. We need to GET IT RIGHT. The LNP are experts at the blame game, but while they are blaming and quoting (or misquoting) history, THEY are flushing this nation down the toilet. Don't pretend it's okay because MAYBE someone else made mistakes before this mob of incompetents got elected.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:14pm
    Rainey, I just want to make sure people like you realise what you did wrong. So you don't make the same mistake and expect a different result :) It was 200,000. 58,000 by boat and the others came in by other means.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:41pm
    Now that is One BIG Army !! :-( Thanks Ruddy ! :-(
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:44pm
    Don't take my word. Do what I did and check the government website. :(
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:52pm
    You told the Truth Frank and that what My Remark was about !! :-)
    Anonymous
    4th Feb 2016
    6:22pm
    Frank, I didn't do anything wrong. Governments made huge mistakes and are STILL stuffing up. The LNP hasn't fixed anything. Now if they followed the leads set by Denmark and Poland, maybe they could SOLVE some problems instead of swapping one for another. We need leaders with some creative vision instead of tunnel-visioned idiots with over-inflated egos. And as for checking a ''government'' website. You actually believe their propaganda? They LIE Frank. About everything.
    Franky
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:35am
    a big NO to a GST increase! Cut back government spending instead to balance the budget and do away with subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.
    Franky
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:37am
    Here "your life choices" could show some leadership and conduct a poll amongst its members to see who is in favour and who is against, then present it to the government. The way the question is asked you seem to just quietly assume it's a done deal......
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:20pm
    Unfortunately Franky, even if YLC did do a straw poll, it would be disregarded by everyone because anyone over 30 is not to be trusted. And anyone over 50 is invisible..
    Sceptic
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:53pm
    Does anyone in their right mind think that the members of YLC is a representative sample?
    Dot
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:42am
    When the GST was first introduced by John Howard it was suppose to solve our problems like health education and so on, every time there's a call for tax reforms once again the Governments says it's for health, education and so on. What a lot of BS. The millions of dollars collected through tax are squandered by our Politicians on travel, perks, superannuation and their extremely generous pensions, then again the refugees are costing us $100 million dollars a year through the welfare system and it goes on and on. The problems will never be sorted out until a curb is placed on what is necessary like cutting back on infrastructure that is not really required, cutting back on immigration, forget about United Nations something that is costing us millions, cut back on all foreign aid, it's time every country took care of it's own people, as I say it's not the western worlds problem to take care of human termites breeding in countries if they can't feed them.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:27pm
    I agree Dot. Not to mention set top boxes ($67m), home insulation, solar panels, cash for clunkers, building immigration centres, Carbon tax advertising ($70m), live export ban assistance pkg ($100m), new gov. departments such as the carbon capture and storage Institute ($300m), New office for Clean energy Regulator ($30m), Donations to unions ($20m), NBN advertising ($20m), Rob Oakeshott's Tax Forum ($1m), Failed Malaysia solution ($5m), Pot plants for Dept. Education employment & Workplace Relations ($1m), Furniture for Asylum seeker homes ($82m), It cost Senator Conroy $525,000 to select 11 directors for the ABC and SBS.
    They sold two billiard tables for $6,000 then stumped up $100,000 to investigate wether the sale was value for money.
    Labor paid $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation run by Bill Clinton for designing a national carbon accounting system for Kenya.
    A further $10m paid to the same foundation.
    $72,000 to the Auburn Community Development Network to host an “enviro tea salon” and basket weaving.
    $314,000 for The Australian Research Council to investigate if climate change is causing birds to shrink.
    $350,000 to advertise the carbon tax to toddlers.
    $93,000 to the ACTU to teach union officials how to sell the carbon tax.
    $600m of Australia's foreign Aid towards developing climate change leaders in the Pacific.
    Public Servants from the Dept. of Climate Change spent over $3m on travel in 2010 alone, with destinations like Paris , London, Madrid. Reason for Travel? "Energy Efficient Discussions."
    I could go on, but what's the point?
    We are being taken for fools.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:05pm
    And your point is, Frank?

    Quoting history again. And using it to justify or excuse knowingly wrong policies today. DUMB.

    The LNP's record is just as bad - or worse, actually. Much, much worse. If Howard and Costello hadn't made such a mess of things, we'd still have a surplus in spite of Labor's mistakes, so stop the blame game and say something constructive for a change. You sound like LNP politicians - blame, blame, blame. But waste, steal, defraud, lie, and mismanage appallingly, and try to excuse it with more blame, blame, blame - oh, and attempts to corrupt our democratic system so that they can have unfettered power to do as they please, with NO controls.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:29pm
    My point is as Dot's is.
    Our government is wasting a lot of our money, it's not necessarily corruption it's waste, pure waste.
    Like spending $6m per month just to fly refugees around the country in private jets.
    Fortunately that has stopped when we changed government.
    Rainey you sound like you're very bitter and making accusations without making a single claim to support your empty accusations.
    Are you a labor troll?
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:57pm
    O BOY ! Look at this BIG Pile of Extra Loot !! :-) I think this Warrant's a Polly Pay Rise !! :-) All in favour say I ! I,I,I,I,I I,I, :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    4th Feb 2016
    6:27pm
    Frank, trying to threaten Senators and talking about redistribution to kill the Senate's power is CORRUPTION. They ARE corrupt. And I'm not making empty accusations. I'm quoting eminent historians, economists, and past politicians - Malcolm Fraser for one.
    No, Frank, I'm not a ''Labor troll''. I'm not even a Labor voter. I've been LNP all my life actually - until recently. But I deal in FACTS, not LNP propaganda and lies.
    Adrianus
    4th Feb 2016
    6:38pm
    Rainey you're just upset because you're looking to lose some welfare. Give it some time and you will be back with LNP. As for me I haven't been voting because I don't think the voting system is fair.
    Very few people will admit to having voted for Kevin Rudd now but I found a lot of proud supporters in 2008/9. When I asked why they thought he would make a good PM, they told me "because I like him." No other reason and these people were mostly professionals or business owners.
    Do I think he can stop the war in Syria???
    No, but I hope he gets the UN job and proves me wrong.
    student
    7th Feb 2016
    10:15am
    Frank, when Rainey trumps one point from you

    "...Rainey you sound like you're very bitter and making accusations without making a single claim to support your empty accusations.
    Are you a labor troll? ...)

    you then continue to attack Rainey personally, not the arguement. I'm afraid your standard of debate is falling Frank. As for not voting ... I am surprised at you!! Voting is not only a right, it is our duty. By not voting you are giving responsibility of you to some unknown person who does vote. I fail to see how you can feel you have the right to complain about politics when you don't vote! The politicians we have are the result of those who voted. If you don't agree with them, use your VOTE. Your vote counts.

    I also thought Kevin Rudd would make a good PM, the same as I wrongly placed my faith in Malcolm. Yes, I make mistakes, but I also vote.
    Adrianus
    7th Feb 2016
    11:01am
    You know $1.28 per day is all that many Indians have to live on. Let's talk about your facts Rainey.

    student I will be voting this year. Now that the AEC has cleaned up the list somewhat. In so doing they found 24 union members living in a mail box at the Auburn PO. I wonder what else they found?
    Flodnar
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:43am
    How will self-funded retirees who currently do not pay any income tax, be compensated for any increase in GST?
    Daffoir
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:57am
    Can you hear yourself? BTW I am a self funded retiree.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:01am
    If you don't get a pension then how are they going to compensate you as a self funded retiree? No tax break and no compensation.
    BigBen
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:25am
    Self funded retirees like me wont get compensated for any GST increase. We do not have a big enough voice at the ballot box so Turnbull, Morrison et al will be prepared to loose votes from self funded retirees.

    Proposing any GST increase is a red line for me. To do so will loose my vote, no question about it. Are you listening Turnbull / Morrison?!
    Rosret
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:28am
    Yes, we have already paid substantial tax on our superannuation. Maybe they could give a guaranteed 5%p.a. increase on our super and deeming accounts (above the current rates) to compensate?
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:37pm
    Self funded retirees can take advantage of the tax haven known as Superannuation.
    sidney70
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:44pm
    Flodnar
    We all pay taxes. Pensioners pay GST like everyone else and so does self funded retirees.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:51pm
    Flodnar, there IS NO compensation for retirees, self-funded or not, part or full Age Pensioners. What a silly question!
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:28pm
    Wrong, Frank. Lots of self-funded retirees never had super and cannot take advantage of any tax savings. They are being slugged at every turn. They sacrificed to save, paid tax on the interest at non-concessional rates, lose the pension because they saved, lose on interest and investments because of economic downturn, and now cop more GST. At some point, the camels back will break. You can't keep taking forever. SFRs are already faced with income reductions, in many cases, to below $25,000 a year - and now a huge increase in the cost of living.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:50pm
    That's right I forgot. In your perfect world anyone who has enough wealth to be fully self funded should not have access to super or should have increased taxes to pay because super is only for poor people.
    Anonymous
    4th Feb 2016
    6:31pm
    You are making no sense at all, Frank. Nobody said anything about super only being for poor people. What I said is that your statement about self-funded retirees being able to take advantage of a tax haven called superannuation is BS - WRONG. Many SFRs had no super and now are past the age where there is any way to benefit from superannuation laws. And plenty of people who will be forced to be SFRs after January 2017 are actually quite poor. They don't ''have enough wealth to be self-funded''. They are being discriminated against by a cruel and unfair government that doesn't have a clue what it's doing and an idiot who THINKS he'll save money by pushing more people onto larger pensions.

    But LNP trolls aren't interested in truth. They just want to PRETEND their precious LNP can do no wrong.
    BrianP
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:56am
    This is the bottom line.

    There is not enough trust of Government accountability for public support for a GST rise. Government needs to show better housekeeping. More transparency and financial control that reflects benefits for low income people are needed.

    If they want us to trust them more they have to earn it. That's what we pay them for.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:33pm
    Brian we don't care about trust anymore we want results.
    How would you balance the budget and restore growth to the economy?
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:33pm
    Frank, these idiots aren't getting results. They've been shown easy ways to balance the budget WITHOUT imposing hardship, but they choose to ignore the valid solutions.

    The bottom line is growth comes from spending. Spending comes from having money to spend. Giving the rich and privileged more DOES NOT generate more spending. You get more spending by giving more to the poor and middle class or making goods cheaper.

    Now, a GST increase will reduce the spending power of the poor and middle class, thus reducing consumption, thus reducing profit, thus reducing growth. A tax cut for companies won't help companies that can't make good profits because spending is down.

    Simple logic says a GST increase is the best way to STIFLE growth.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:34pm
    As it did in other countries where the GST was raised.
    Rae
    3rd Feb 2016
    8:57am
    The GST won't restore growth. The greatest growth has only been in the financial industry in credit markets. Ponzi like growth no one knows how to fix so they just keep pouring billions into the hole. We now have debt equal to several years of GDP and will have to cut spending. Perhaps this is what Morrison wants. Personally I think he should have another look at what Volcker did in the 80s. I think we are headed to stagflation again with rising prices and falling wages and increased unemployment. It won't be nice. There is no sugar to coat the medicine required. The hourly rate for private employment for example makes a mockery of business whinging about penalty rates.
    Mechanics $80 hr, techs, $45+ hr, doctor ? etc. But lets concentrate on the cost of coffee pullers as that will surely fix things.
    Adrianus
    3rd Feb 2016
    12:00pm
    Rae you cant forget about a small struggling group because it's not the silver bullet by itself.
    Teddyboy.
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:58am
    Not until they tax people on their ability to pay. I know there are people who work really hard for what they get but there comes a point beyond which what they get is obscene.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:54am
    Ted,

    the LNP are happy to tax people on their ability to pay this is why the very, very wealthy pay no tax.
    Rosret
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:23am
    I realise they want to target on the people who can avoid paying any tax. Then there are comments about softening the blow by giving more assistance to welfare groups and tax payers thresholds. But what about us??? The self funded retiree on no benefits? 15% is a crippling GST at a time when super is posting losses and bank interest rates are less than inflation. Ugh - this is cruel.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:25pm
    Have you tried to get any work done by tradies recently, the verbal quote ends with, "it's less for cash".
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:36pm
    And increasing the GST will give a greater incentive for people to ask for cash and greater discounts to people who agree to pay cash - so MORE TAX AVOIDANCE. MUCH MORE!

    It's a stupid move that will stifle growth because people will have less spending power so business sales will fall and profits will fall.
    Big Kev
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:47am
    Poor get poorer by GST increase. Any pension increase is percentage based so doesn't cover actual dollar rise in prices. Fixed income super get no increase. Meanwhile top end income get tax cut. Instead of GST make multinationals pay PTAs on profits here. Britain did it with Google. Cut out the lurks at big end of town and will save money in long run without hurting those that can least afford it. As usual ScoMo not willing to bring his party donors to heel but rather hit those who can least afford to create a fuss.
    cdbstock
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:58am
    So Abbott was incorrect when he & his gov't claimed 'we dont have a revenue problem - we have a spending problem'
    Why did this gov't 'axe' the mining tax & the carbon tax?
    Let's see the compensation package & let'sb see how the gov't will collect the totally reasonable taxes due for internet purchases & due by international companies such as 'Google' &' Apple'
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:27pm
    They axed the mining tax and the carbon tax because it effected their donars.
    Greg
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:42pm
    "Aren't we great, we removed the Carbon Tax" now we're short of revenue well increase the GST.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:50pm
    Greg, the carbon tax was designed to close down certain industries.
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:09pm
    Mygasheater, what are donars?
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:51pm
    Mick,

    Sorry it should be spelled "donor". It's the predictive spell check on iPad. Have donar Kabab.
    Gee Whiz
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:00pm
    Turnbull and Morrison can talk about the GST until they have a financial heart attack. They will never convince me an increase is needed until the get the $10 billion owning by the big tax cheats including Turnbull.
    Dave R
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:03pm
    I would only accept an increase to the GST if the government reigned in all the tax concessions for the super wealthy. There should be an upper limit to tax free status for superannuation. Scrap negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions to bring house prices down to levels young people can afford. Make multi-national companies pay tax in Australia on the true profits made in Australia.
    Ritza
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:45pm
    Dave R you are spot on. Only proviso I would add is that the percentage added to GST should have pollies pay and "add ons" reduced by the same.
    That way they will not eager to increase the GST to fund shortfalls in revenue
    Prospero
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:59pm
    Can't argue against that Dave R - well said.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:01pm
    YEP !
    Chris B T
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:15pm
    Since it is mainly to fund the shortfull in Health and Education, increase in the Medicare Levi or similar would be a more reasonable solution and outcome.
    To strike down all with this over reaching tax is too extreme.
    Don't expect the States and Territories to give up any of their TAX Revenue as a trade off.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:20pm
    Too much money being wasted in health and education already. Spending more will only make it worse.

    Who is going to tell the school teachers that kids are not all created equal and that is the way they will stay no matter how much money gets thrown at them.

    Public hospitals are a disgrace the amount of time and resources wasted is ridiculous. Have you seen your medicare charges on your my gov site? It's a real eye opener to what doctors are really charging medicare. I changed GPs as she was ripping off medicare in a big way.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:35pm
    If they removed the rebate from private health insurance the money saved would provide more than enough funding for the public health system.

    Like wise if they stopped funding private education providers,(like the private college that "awarded" Tony Abbott's daughter a scholarship worth $60,000). If this funding was stopped we could have a free university education.

    Both sectors are big donars to the Liberal party. And of course, those who donate to political parties do so expecting nothing in return.
    Chris B T
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:57pm
    Bonny
    You prefer a OVER REACHING TAX FOR THE SAME REASON's you stated.
    How wastefull or misdirected our TAX's are, the Medicare Levi or similar is a fairer taxing method than a broad base GST.
    You say that you are a self funded retiree.
    The Medicare levi or similar would not affect you, but GST WILL.
    Greg
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:00pm
    They say it's for the shortfall in health and education, they also want to be able to give tax cuts and make out they are wonderful to get voted back in.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:52pm
    Bonny,

    you are right about education funding. Funding for private schools should be ceased immediately. Why my taxes go toward funding schools like Kings, Riverview and schools run by religious organisations, (not just the local catholic primary school) etc I do not know.

    As for your GP ripping off Medicare,, I'm no sure how she was able to do this. Medicare pays the Dr same scheduled fee for the same service no matter if your GP charges you $60 or $160. If the scheduled fee is $50 that's what the Dr gets. The difference is that it's you paying $10 or $110 for the visit.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:23pm
    My GP was bulk billing me and she charged Medicare over $200 per visit. Apparently she can write a new health care plan for me every time I visit her. Takes her less than 5 minutes to do.

    I'm not over reacting because I really don't think an increase in GST will effect me that much but it will effect low income earners and self funded retirees on fixed incomes. I don't spend much money on GST levied items these days myself.

    If the rebate is removed from private health insurance then more people will be accessing the all ready over stretch public hospital system same thing with public schools. If they made every one pay that attended religious private schools then they wouldn't need as much money either. Ooops I'm not supposed to know about that.

    Now I really don't want to start with all that is wrong with our health system.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:43pm
    Example of ripping off Medicare, Mygasheater. An optometrist mixed up mine and my husbands glasses scripts. We went back and demanded he remake the glasses correctly. He said ''of course, and at no cost to you, but just sign here so I can at least get the Medicare rebate for this ''consultation'' (there wasn't one!). It costs you nothing.'' We refused. Many would have signed.

    One simple measure to help the ailing health care system would be to remove the ''gap'' for the privately insured and make insurance more affordable. That can be achieved by stopping the funds giving away gym memberships, trips to SeaWorld and movies, and discounts on expensive sports shoes. I know many who, like me, opted out of private health because of the gap - not the premium. Í simply couldn't afford to go private when public was free and insurance only covered a small fraction of the bill.

    Another thing is the penalty for joining a fund late in life. Forces people who couldn't afford cover earlier or had to opt out for a while during a period of hardship to stay out. That's dumb!
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:10pm
    Mygasheater,what are donars?
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:17pm
    What is a gash eater?
    particolor
    3rd Feb 2016
    3:27pm
    That would be the Bedchamber Shark Frank :-)
    shirboy
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:17pm
    Dave R. has got it right.
    yragnhoj
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:24pm
    If full & fully indexed compensation is given to those on low incomes (including children!) & to self-funded retirees with moderate balances (say <$2M) then the GST should be extended to cover everything and increased enough to ensure that the services we want government to provide are fully funded. This means that the burden is borne by those that can afford it - especially the wealthy who'll pay more GST whenever they spend. But, governments have a habit of forgetting why compensation was established and in later years take it away arguing, e.g. that "the age of entitlement is over". So, the compensation must be entrenched, e.g. only reduced if agreed at a national referendum. Of course, the over-generous capital gains, superannuation, family trust treatment et al that the wealthy enjoy and the tax minimisation schemes employed by multi-nationals must be stopped - but that's no reason why GST should remain as inefficient as it is.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:46pm
    John,

    The problem is that the wealthy don't buy a luxury car or multimillion dollar mansion like you and me buy milk and bread.

    If any compensation was given to pensioners etc it would be a one off but cuts to personal tax rates at the top end occurs every week. Cuts to company tax would mean even more businesses pay less than 2% or in the case of 600 businesses, a big fat O.
    yragnhoj
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:52pm
    Mygasheater - the compensation is not one-off, even some of Howard's GST compensation remains but it has been diluted.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:39pm
    John, how much has your electricity bill gone down since the abolition of the carbon tax?

    The compensation given to pensioners etc will cost more than the amount raised by the GST, so where is the benefit? Any benefit will be to those on very high incomes and to business in the form of reduced tax.

    If "every option is on the table" why has been no debate about closing the loopholes that allow businesses, local and multinationals, to move profits off shore to minimise or avoid tax? Why has there been no debate about corporate welfare given to businesses in the form of subsides? Why has there been no debate about increasing the Medicare Levy?

    In spite of being a revenue problem, ie the amount of tax collected the LNP continue to frame it as a spending problem. If we don't accept a rise in the GST then there will be no "option" but to cut social security payments, further reduce funding to health and education etc.

    All an increase in the GST will do is increase the cash economy which will reduce the amount of GST collected. People will spend less which will also reduce the amount collected.

    It is apparent the "everything is on the table" opinion is that of increase the GST. While the NLP say it will only be 15% that represents a 50% increase. Any compensation will not reflect a 50% increase on everything.

    We are being dudded by a lazy, clueless, government who are incapable of being "agile" and "innovative" in their thinking or their behaviour.Their entire reason for being is to protect and enhance the wealth of the few elites at the expense of ordinary, decent, people.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:53pm
    I love that word Diluted in there ! :-) Couldn't You spell VANISHED !! :-)
    Lescol
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:30pm
    The government would have you believe 37% favour a GST increase! I am a self funded retiree and will remember this come voting time.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:32pm
    For all those saying a raise in GST will adversely affect spending, can you please give evidence of this? The same things were said at the introduction of the GST in the first place, the sky would fall in and the price of birthday cakes would skyrocket to unaffordable levels. Well none of that happened so where is the evidence that raising the rate will have that effect in the future? Mr Shorten tried his own version of the 'birthday cake' scaremongering recently and we all know how successful that was. Just yesterday people were claiming they could live more cheaply in Europe - even in the UK - than in Australia. Well they have had a GST rate of 20% since 2011. And the EU has set the minimum standard rate from 2016 at 15%. (https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-tips/money/vat-rates-in-europe). A reality check is needed people.

    Also don't forget that ALL States and Territories must agree to any change. So please blame the entire country - including the Labor States - and not just the current Federal Government should any change occur.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:35pm
    It will be blocked in the senate anyway.
    Eve
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:17pm
    small point KSS, but the GST was brought in during an economic boom from resources development. Raise the level during a depression - and ANYONE could see that spending will go down. We are FAR worse off today, spending-wise, than we were during the Howard years.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:44pm
    Eve, the GST was introduced a few years before the resources boom. But I'll agree that most of us didn't care once the GST was bedded down and the economy was in such good shape that we got the promised income tax cuts.
    Rae
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:26pm
    Last week oven repair $780 GST$ 78 becomes $117 total up $39

    This week car service $495 GST $49 becomes $74 total up $25

    That is my entire meat budget for the fortnight.

    No compensation as I receive no government payments.

    End of month quarterly rates $484 GST $48 up $24 and on and on it will go.

    NSW and Victoria should be absolutely rolling in stamp duty and fees for deals selling public assets. What are they doing with all that money?
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:34pm
    A little like the carbon tax Rae.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:08pm
    Frank
    Not true... with the Carbon Tax, every taxpayer's exemption from income tax rose from $6000 to $18200 which is a HUGE amount.

    It means that there is NO TAX PAYABLE until you earn $1 OVER $18200.

    Others who did not pay taxes and were getting govt benefits were compensated..... actually and really compensated!
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:21pm
    KSS, that an increased GST will drive spending reductions is plain common sense. Goods and services will be more expensive. If things cost more, people buy less, unless they have more income - and how will that be achieved? It's been shown that even someone paying $20,000 tax a year can't get a big enough tax cut to be better off paying 15% GST. Self-funded retirees are among the biggest spenders, and they are being ground into poverty and will get no compensation at all.

    As for ''blame the states'' - what a ridiculous argument. The Fed Govt first cuts their revenue and cripples their ability to fund health and education, then says ''support a GST increase and we'll give a bit back''. This is called BRIBERY, and no decision by someone being BRIBED can be seen to be in any way their own choice. So NO, the states are NOT to blame. Morrison and Turnbull and their advisers are SOLELY responsible.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:34pm
    Mussitate, I see you were fooled by the raising of the threshold too like many others.
    People on $18,200 never paid tax because of the low income tax rebate. Which btw higher income earners did not get. So those who were advantaged by the change were higher income earners and the ATO and low income earners who now miss out on needless paperwork.
    roy
    3rd Feb 2016
    11:16am
    Mussitate, you didn't come back on Frank's comment re you being fooled by the rise to $18200,were you not aware of that?
    Typical ALP voter!

    2nd Feb 2016
    12:33pm
    Better financial management is required for the current revenue being collected, not more taxes to offset the ineptness of the Treasury's asinine, hit and miss, "lucky dip", "grab bag", trial and error, manage by crisis policies. There is no firm direction and Morroson is just grabbing at straws. Long term means "til the next election" to him and to his money-grabbing, egotistic, do little or nothing party mates. They would stuff up a junkyard!
    nena
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:34pm
    Some people complain about being retired who don't get the pension how are they going to be compensated. Well, if a retired Australian don't get government pension means that s/he is able to manger without it...perhaps wealthy enough to afford the 15% GST. Go for it PM.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:56pm
    Bonny should comment on your post, as he/she claims to be well-heeled enough to not need the Age Pension, dislikes anyone getting it, thinks it is more a gift than and entitlement, and, in general, seems to favour open slather taxation of the masses.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:13pm
    Age pension is welfare not a gift or entitlement. I dislike people getting the pension who don't need it but arrange their affairs to get it. Worse offenders are my own family. What they do is ridiculous in the extreme.

    No I'm not in favour of increasing the GST because it will hurt the people who can't afford it and those that can will find ways around it like they do already.

    I also hate seeing how much money is being wasted especially in education and health. I just can't believe what goes on in public hospitals and public schools.

    Increasing taxes is not the way out of this government budget mess. Compensation for the poor is nothing but a joke as way too many people in Australia today are dependent upon welfare. No one wants to do the hard work any more as they is simply an easier way.

    Should I go on?
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:50pm
    What planet do you live on, nena? You know NOTHING about other people's circumstances. Who ever suggested that because someone can't get a pension, they don't need it? That's absolute nonsense in a vast number of cases.

    Besides, those being denied a pension and now forced to live off their savings worked hard and went without a lot for that money. They may have specific needs that they saved to meet. Now they are being unfairly robbed of the advantages they EARNED so that people who, in many cases squandered their earnings can have more.

    Many who will lose the pension in Jan 2017 will have incomes of less than $25,000 a year. And they can ''manage'' on that, paying 50% more GST, can they? Then we'd better reduce all the aged pensions to that level, and cut pensions to anyone earning money so that nobody gets more than $25,000 a year. It it's enough for one, it's enough for all.

    I'm glad Morrison isn't listening to you, Nena. Things are grim enough already.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:39pm
    Only 54% opposed to a GST increase? That's a low result. When the government starts to reveal some facts that could decline rather fast.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:49pm
    And the actual question was very poor worded. The potential rise was predicated on 2 conditions. A poor question format for any result of worth.
    Mygasheater
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:54pm
    KSS,

    You're right about the way the question was formulated. Design a question to get the answer is not too difficult, eg

    Should Australia dump those foreign, privileged parasites,the dysfunctional Windsor family and become a republic? Answer yes or no.

    Should Australia allow marriage equality and be seen as tolerant, inclusive country that is the envy of the world? Answer Yes or No.

    Easy to get the answer if you frame it the right way which many polls often do. This lets the pollsters say I told you so.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:53pm
    What ''facts'' could change opinions, Frank. They will tell plenty of lies, that's for sure. There are no ''facts'' that could sway opinion, because the FACT is that a GST rise is regressive, unaffordable, will reduce growth dramatically, and will increase avoidance.
    Billy
    2nd Feb 2016
    12:49pm
    I do not think this GST is going to help pensioners, the moment compensation is awarded every man and his dog will want a slice of it. I wonder if those living in government rental housing would have a 25% chunk deducted in line with their recent changes to rental charges effective in March 2016.
    LiveItUp
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:15pm
    Imagine adding it to rent. Property investors will have a filed day getting back GST on every little thing that has anything to do with owning properties.
    rob101
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:19pm
    Once again Australian voters are going to be conned about the GST,just as they were by John Howard.They fell for the old "pea and thimble"trick,sbout GST replacing Wholesale Sales Tax,which only applied to 30% of Goods purchased,on a sliding scale of between 7.5% to 30%,but not to Services.

    rob101
    Adrianus
    3rd Feb 2016
    6:17am
    rob101, the change had to be made. The sales tax was a regulatory nightmare. On many transactions it came down to a guess as to whether it was paid or not. There are no such grey areas with a "catch all" GST. However, sometimes you need to consult a lawyer to see if it is payable.
    Tom Tank
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:41pm
    We are being subjected to political spin from all directions. It appears Morrison's argument will be an increase in GST and include health, education and food. At the same time a decrease in company tax using the spurious excuse that this will get business to create more jobs. A variation on the old absurd "trickle down" effect where if the rich get richer some of that money will trickle down to the poorer people.
    These clown must think we are stupid but then again we did elect them so there is a precedence for their point of view on that.
    To get the economy moving the population at large must feel confident enough to spend money. The more money in the economy, in the form of discretionary spending, the more will be spent thus stimulating business growth and a demand for labour.
    We desperately need a fair tax system in this country, not that we are alone in that regard, and the abandonment of favouring the top end of town at every turn.
    Will that happen? probably only when pigs grow wings.
    KSS
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:18pm
    "We are being subjected to political spin from all directions".....

    TomTom seriously! What do you expect? Its election year. They will all be at it. Mr Shorten has already begun.

    2nd Feb 2016
    1:49pm
    If you PAY for a survey or research to be done you will get the results you WANT. The same thing goes for feasibility studies, polls, questionnaires, etc, etc. Oh, people, don't be SO naive!
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:54pm
    Also I found that if you pay enough to a magazine they will vote you into anything. You could even become the world's greatest finance manager of all time for example.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:50pm
    Hey frank you don"t mean that idiot Labour treasurer I think we called him Swannie.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:09pm
    Fast Eddie

    Especially NEWSPOLL, aye!
    Prospero
    2nd Feb 2016
    1:53pm
    So I have pay more the dog food I eat and Scott Morrison lets the big internationals pay next to nothing in tax. Oh, I get it, he wants me to vote for him.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:05pm
    If I'm a tax payer paying say $20,000 pa tax I would much prefer to have that tax reduced in favour of an increase to the GST. Because it gives me more control over what I spend my money on.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:57pm
    Selfish, Frank, selfish! You want to look after YOU because YOU earn enough to benefit from a proposed change - and to hell with anyone who doesn't. Low income earners, pensioners, struggling self-funded retirees all end up worse off. Everyone who is already struggling ends up getting hurt, but you are happy because privileged folk who pay $20,000 a year tax get a better deal.

    Disgusting attitude. No wonder this country is in a mess!
    Rae
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:26pm
    I'd agree with you Frank if I was a tax payer. You have to earn a lot of money to pay $20000 tax. In fact you can earn as much as a pensioner before paying any tax. The next $35 ooo is at 15% and so on. In fact workers will pay the same tax on savings as retirees pay on spending. Priceless.
    Pensioners will be able to cut back. Forgo that coffee or lunch at the club, haircut, lawnmow, whatever.It will hurt business.

    Great for those earning money, the young in the big houses, suvs,fancy stuff. Although they whinge they are lucky. God interest rates at 2%. Would not have that been nice when paying off debt?
    Don't tell me they had to pay all that money for housing because they didn't. They fed a price boom all the way to the top.

    Now trying to live on those savings earning less than inflation isn't much fun.

    Actually perhaps we should incorporate, start a few unrelated businesses and claim the GST back. Something with food and needing a car would be the go.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:58pm
    I'm just saying, the average wage earner is on $76k and they outnumber any of us.
    The tax package will not be just an increase to GST. And It will be sold to us on having more control, more independence and freedom of choice. They will appeal to small business on that basis. I would not be surprised to see the tax threshold increased significantly, placing even greater control in the hands of low income earners.
    That 54% will drop significantly by September.
    Anonymous
    4th Feb 2016
    6:35pm
    How do you put ''more control'' in the hands of low income earners by taxing food and rent and health care and education - the things they HAVE to spend most on - and driving up the cost of everything? Low income earners don't have choices what to spend on Frank. And raising the GST isn't going to give them any. That's idiotic nonsense. I can't believe anyone would say such rubbish.
    Alexia_x
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:16pm
    Why are we so apathetic? If everyone would oppose these measures they would be outvoted! You call the politicians "those turkeys" but keep electing them and let them control your live in every aspect, this is really too much, because on top of all they get paid enormous amounts to do what they are doing, ruining everyone's life except that of the rich and powerful, this is a travesty. In some countries people as bad as the politicians here, get thrown out not only of government but out of the country.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:08pm
    Or even worse. When the opposition is bad in Russia what do they do?
    babyboomer
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:41pm
    You know what I'd really like to know? Does commenting on this website GO anywhere? I mean, are objections collated or counted and sent on to the Govt and its politicians eg? If NOT, then why not?
    If anyone could tell me that I'd really like to know, because this GST proposed rise is going to beggar me, a retiree who cant get get pension because i live with a partner who earns just enough to cut ME out of a pension. I still pay full whack for everything myself.....how is this fair? GST puts up EVERYTHING, services being one of the bigger ones...I dont think anyone predicted the rise in cost of having jobs done such as car servies, Insurance on the many things we insure, the running of a car, health costs, I wont go on but it WILL beggar poorer people. I write to MPs and papers and use Social Media to protest so that my protest can be COUNTED.
    babyboomer
    2nd Feb 2016
    2:45pm
    and another thing.....when will AUSSIES wake up to the fact that the pollies are rorting taxpayers big-time? WE HAVE TO object. We Have TO demand that they cut some of their perks and privileges and GIVE BACK to us, the taxpayers whose money it is.
    they are dictators and despots now. Talk about 'Us and Them'. We should ALL be writing phoning, getting off our backsides and demanding to be heard....If we dont, we deserve what we get. Right?? no, WRITE !!.
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:16pm
    People are doing it so tough that according to this site a few days ago, some have already booked "only" 3 cruises this year. Can you believe it you poor poor people?
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:07pm
    mick you are the one to talk?!
    You have just got back from an extended European holiday and you're organising your next ski trip. C'mon give us a break!
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:16pm
    Those "poor" people I see waddling around, they are so fat because they over eat and drink, where does the money come from for the "poor" things to do so much stuffing of their faces? There are some disgusting sights everywhere.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:38pm
    They are the ones that Quit Smoking Mick, I see them everywhere :-) They only spend half their Fag money on Food now, and look at the Condition they have stacked on !:-) :-)
    Health Budget Nightmare's ! :-)

    2nd Feb 2016
    3:19pm
    Why can't we demand our Prime Minister and his elitist spay their fair share of tax instead of hiding money off shore? Australians can be sold anything these days. Too gullible.
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:05pm
    Stop moaning and put your money offshore.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:04pm
    Don't know about you but I think all my money has been spayed. It's not multiplying like it used to.
    it's me
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:26pm
    we will get the usual BS about stopping the boats, getting rid of the Carbon Tax (no benefit to end users) and also getting rid of the unpopular???? Mining tax (of course it was taken from big business), this mob could not lie straight in bed, this GST increase only suts the tax dodgers & the big end of town, nothing in this for the little guys who pays tax before he gets his wages. Stop the rot chase companies that paying little or no tax and the Singapore sling company tax dodge.
    it's me
    2nd Feb 2016
    3:29pm
    GST increase on everything, Carbon tax on utility bills only (4 times a year), doesn't add up, bet even Hockey could see that
    Old Fella
    2nd Feb 2016
    4:01pm
    How do I transform myself to a Corporation and legally pay no Tax. I just cant seem to get past - Income Tax, Sales Tax, Medicare Levy Tax, GST Tax , Provisional Tax.Capital Gains Tax and so on and so on.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    4:29pm
    OLd Fella you are old a long time since sales Tax and Provisional tax were about.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:09pm
    Old Fella Pty Ltd?

    2nd Feb 2016
    4:46pm
    Hey Frank, hope you are well and had a good xmas etc.

    Re taxpayer paying $20,000 pa in TAX.... they would have to be earning approx. $87,000 (rounded) pa to have that much tax deducted ..... $87,000 is a reasonable income.

    FACTS......

    Total TAX paid is ONLY 23% on that income ($87,000 x 23% = $20,010).

    That is it, you have paid a reasonable amount of tax based on your ability to pay.... income tax is an EQUITABLE and FAIR TAX system!

    IF GST IS APPLIED TO EVERYTHING, as flagged by this inept and incompetent government (besides the 50% hike it is to now include financial services, health, education, food.... effectively EVERYTHING)..... then what will occur is that this person earning $87,000 which is only a reasonable wage....will then have their income reduced by a full 15% by the GST... more than DOUBLE the current payment of 23% in income tax.

    FACTS>>>>
    Most people use up and spend all their income on cost of living, food, etc, so with an aftertax spending of $67,000 ($87,000-$20,000 income tax) you can expect that this will be reduced further by...... $10,000...... (15%) to accommodate the whole of the GST cost.
    That is an HUMONGOUS increase to a persons taxes. 23% from income tax PLUS 15% on absolutely everything you purchase out of the money you have already paid taxes on!!!!!! That is 38% in taxes!!

    I can assure you that this incompetent and inept government will NOT decrease income taxes to match even a portion of this, as the lower echelons of the income tax rates have already been vastly improved by LABOR and Howard did NOTHING to ease the pain of the lower income worker in his time of his introducing this INEQUITABLE and UNFAIR tax which STEALS from the POOR, MIDDLE AND LOWER UPPER to give directly to themselves and the WEALTHY.

    TO E V E R Y O N E .... tell your kids and everyone you know<<<<<<<<
    Moral of the story, do NOT get roped in (again) by a massive advertising campaign that says things like "it is something that is necessary to pay for health and education".
    NO, IT IS NOT!!
    IF this govt. removed the huge gouging by the wealthy from the SUPER system, then their would be no need to have GST on food, health and education.
    IF this govt. cancelled some of faulty military aircrafts that we are STILL waiting upon after 10 years and stupid Abbott put in a second order for, we would have enough to pay for those less advantaged in this country.
    IF this govt. stopped funding PRIVATE health to the tune of 30% of the health funding, then we would have enough money to pay for PUBLIC health.
    IF this govt. stopped or even reversed the funding to PRIVATE schools (ie. making it 40% instead of 60% of PUBLIC funding), then we would have enough money to pay for PUBLIC Education... including the implementation of the GONSKI report.

    *********THIS govt. is LAZY and INCOMPETENT and simply wants the poor, middle and lower upper to pay for THEIR shortcomings and to FILL the POCKETS of the WEALTHY*********

    IF they managed things better, then we wouldn't have to increase the rate or spread of GST!!! FACT.

    HERE is a little fun but unfortunately reflects clearly what is occurring in the USA and what this govt. is proposing for AUSTRALIA.

    Copy and paste: http://imgur.com/gallery/O2KHoLl
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:42pm
    I agree with you totally. Well saiid.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:02pm
    Thank you Mussitate. You are to be applauded for your logical answer to Frank. And you are absolutely correct. THERE WILL BE NO ADEQUATE COMPENSATION. Not for people earning $87,000 a year. And certainly not for anyone earning less than that. So who wins? No prizes for guessing. The very wealthy - again!
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:18pm
    Mussitate.Your stupid capital letters everywhere put me off reading your posts, why do you do it?
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:21pm
    Happy new year Mussitate, I had a great holiday season although it was not as long as yours.

    I'm having trouble with your so called facts.
    I can get it to work if the taxpayer in question spends his entire wage on fresh food. Gee they would love him at Woolies, the fresh food people. Come to think of it the ALP would be big fans of Woolies too following their sizeable donation. I wonder why the fresh food people would donate to Woolies? Oops? You don't suppose they donated even more to an ALP parent?
    Anyway, getting back to our wage earner with an enormous appetite for fresh food.
    My point is that if he were to get a $8,000 reduction in income tax it would not matter that the cost of goods and services went up by 4.5% because he would have more choice on where and how to spend more of his money instead of giving that choice to the government.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:22pm
    mick, it is for emphasis. Have a read.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:38pm
    Frank

    You seem to not realise that every single thing you purchase and every single service you use will now cost 15% GST, if it is extended to food, health, education, financial WHICH is what your govt has proposed!

    It is their ultimate aim, Frank and that is what they have bandied about.

    If they were to spend millions upon millions on an advertising campaign they would need to go the full hog and bring in the whole shebang.

    Frank... what are you talking about... $8000 reduction in income tax... it won't happen for the lower echelons as LABOR has already dropped them drastically. I can see the top level dropping from 45% to 40% but nothing else... so only those on $180,000 and above will get a reduction.

    (a) Income $37000 - $3,572 income tax (9.65%) = $33428 - $5014 GST (a whopping 15%) = $28,414 to live on.
    (b) Income $80000 - $17547 income tax (21.93%) = $62453 - $9368 GST (a whopping 15%) = $53,085 to live on.
    With the proposed changes:
    (a) now has a total tax bill of 24.65%
    (b) now has a total tax bill of 36.93%

    Horrendous outcome for all Australians struggling or just making ends meet or those who WERE living comfortably, plus downright negative for the economy and for Australia overall.
    Mygasheater
    3rd Feb 2016
    12:15am
    Misstate,

    This might help with your tax calculations.


    Tax rates 2015–16

    The following rates for 2015–16 apply from 1 July 2015.
    Taxable income

    Tax on this income
    0 – $18,200
    Nil

    $18,201 – $37,000
    19c for each $1 over $18,200

    $37,001 – $80,000
    $3,572 plus 32.5c for each $1 over $37,000

    $80,001 – $180,000
    $17,547 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000

    $180,001 and over
    $54,547 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000


    The above rates do not include the:

    Medicare levy of 2%
    Temporary Budget Repair Levy; this levy is payable at a rate of 2% for taxable incomes over $180,000.
    Adrianus
    3rd Feb 2016
    6:37am
    Mussitate,
    This is just misleading, and wrong.

    "FACTS>>>>
    Most people use up and spend all their income on cost of living, food, etc, so with an aftertax spending of $67,000 ($87,000-$20,000 income tax) you can expect that this will be reduced further by...... $10,000...... (15%) to accommodate the whole of the GST cost."

    It's wrong because if GST increases to 15% most consumables will only increase in price by 4.5%.
    OK there is a possibility of a broadening of the GST to include consumables which are currently GST free. For most of us that would include Fresh Food which does not cost an entire income of $67k.

    "That is an HUMONGOUS increase to a persons taxes. 23% from income tax PLUS 15% on absolutely everything you purchase out of the money you have already paid taxes on!!!!!! That is 38% in taxes!!"

    Mussitate there are only two possible reasons for you to make a statement like that. The first reason which springs to mind is that you have a penchant for the dramatics regardless of the facts?
    I prefer that explanation to the other one.

    2nd Feb 2016
    5:29pm
    Unbelievable arrogance. They promised to take this to the people - now they say they will spend OUR money forcing it on us, knowing full well the majority oppose it. Anyone who still supports the LNP is insane!
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:22pm
    Anybody who votes ALP is insane, just watch that village idiot Shorten, he has no idea of where money comes from, he probably thinks he has a money tree in his garden. As for that Tony Berk, no that's not a spelling mistake. He spends our money on taking his girl friend 1st class at our expense, champagne socialists, I ask you.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:59pm
    mick

    ALP did a really good job when they were in before... we had:

    1. Lowest govt Debt in the world
    2. Best economy in the world
    3. AAA credit rating - first time ever
    4. Au$ included in international currency mix - first time ever
    5. Au$ higher in value than the USA$ - first time ever
    6. Best and cheapest NBN for EVERY PERSON... called a world wonder

    LNP

    1. Govt. Debt that has doubled
    2. Doing alright but certainly NOT the best economy in the world
    3. Hanging on desperately to our AAA rating and has been threatened with a reduction on several occasions
    4. Takes awhile for this privilege to be removed
    5. Au$ value against the USA$ has dropped through the floor
    6. The worst and most pathetic excuse for an NBN (the USA doesn't even class it as an NBN because it is too slow) which will cost the Australian people THREE TIMES that of ALP NBN and that doesn't even include the cost of powering up the stupid nodes.

    The ONLY thing wrong with the previous ALP was the FOREIGN media magnate (Murdoch) and his corporation spewing inanities, untruths and downright LIES about the party that could put his FOXTEL out of business before it could properly set up for a new and fast NBN... him being a dinosaur and all.

    NO, I am not a fan of Shorten but it is his POLICIES that I look at and Shorten has stood by SOUND Labor policies that put Australia's economy at the top of the world. WHEREAS Turnbull is implementing FULLY every single one of ABBOTT'S corporate wishlist policies, irrespective of whether it is good for Australia or NOT. Turnbull is merely spewing out warm fuzzies to placate the minions.

    Sorry mick but you don't have a leg to stand on with YOUR preferred LNP.... you are just trying to get the LNP over the line by telling everyone to vote for independent, who are mostly LNP patsies anyway.

    I DO however, suggest that any LNP voter does the right thing by Australia and put the Greens or other independents into the SENATE. The LNP are not to be trusted and really need to have their corporate wish list policies audited and checked by a those in the upper house, who show more restraint and responsibility towards the betterment of Australia and it economy.

    2nd Feb 2016
    5:51pm
    I very seriously ask all to be very wary of whom you vote for in the next federal elections, and not vote for the LNP. They are lying, money grabbing, inept cretins who are flushing the country down the toilet with their pandering to themselves and the wealthy. mick may have some merit when talking Independents all the time. Last election I voted LNP (sorry!) and DEEPLY regret it. Turnbull and Co. Are only interested in themselves and their wealthy party contributors who they protect and promote at every chance. Pathetic.
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:24pm
    The ALP will sort it all out Fast Eddie never fear, and pigs might fly.
    Vote independent.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    5:55pm
    Go You Halves Malcolm ! Make it 50% GST..
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:03pm
    Vote independent.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:01pm
    NO, I am not a fan of Shorten but it is his POLICIES that I look at and Shorten has stood by SOUND Labor policies that put Australia's economy at the top of the world. WHEREAS Turnbull is implementing FULLY every single one of ABBOTT'S corporate wishlist policies, irrespective of whether it is good for Australia or NOT. Turnbull is merely spewing out warm fuzzies to placate the minions.

    Sorry mick but you don't have a leg to stand on with YOUR preferred LNP.... you are just trying to get the LNP over the line by telling everyone to vote for independent, who are mostly LNP patsies anyway.

    I DO however, suggest that any LNP voter does the right thing by Australia and put the Greens or other independents into the SENATE. The LNP are not to be trusted and really need to have their corporate wish list policies audited and checked by a those in the upper house, who show more restraint and responsibility towards the betterment of Australia and it economy.

    2nd Feb 2016
    6:22pm
    Oh! one other thing..... BUSINESSES collect GST and pay it over to the govt. after deducting their own GST costs BUT they do NOT, repeat DO NOT pay GST.

    The only people who pay GST are INDIVIDUAL consumers/end users.. YOU!!!

    Not forgetting, of course, that many of these millionaire taxpayers obtain many of their larger items through their corporations and hence avoid GST.


    What to look forward to.....Examples:

    HEALTH: Doctors bill - $72 will now cost $82.80... an extra $10.80; pathology will no longer be free and will attract GST - a further $80; Xrays $120=$138, MRIs $340=$391, UltraSound $80=$96..... PLUS the cost of admin. of implementing the GST

    EDUCATION: PRIVATE education $24000pa will become $27600 pa...... PLUS the cost of admin. of implementing the GST

    FOOD: $14000 pa will become $16100... can you afford to live???

    ALL of this cost without ONE benefit or service or goods being better or increased... just money handed over to an incompetent and inept government, so that they and their mates can pocket the benefits..... to the detriment of the economy, the ordinary people and the country.
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:24pm
    All those silly capital letters again, shakes head.
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:37pm
    Mussitate are you talking about Pizza businesses?
    If a business is not paying GST then it is not making a profit.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    6:41pm
    Frank

    BUSINESSES DO NOT PAY GST in ANY FORM..... FACT!

    Example:
    Business charges 10% EXTRA on all goods and services which they collect for and on behalf of the government. OUT of these collected funds they remove ALL the GST that they have paid for their goods and services. THEY then send the balance to the government.

    BUSINESSES DO NOT PAY GST in ANY FORM..... end of story!
    Adrianus
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:01pm
    OK Mussitate, don't get excited, you made your point. :)
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:03pm
    Frank

    That comment was brilliant, you are right, of course!

    I will try and settle but am still laughing at your comment and at myself!
    roy
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:19pm
    Congratulations Mussitate, not one capital letter, wow.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2016
    8:45pm
    HERE MICK ! I HATE TO SEE ANYBODY SUFFERING WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS ! :-)
    Mygasheater
    3rd Feb 2016
    12:18am
    Mick, he is shouting.

    Using capital letters on a computer is the equivalent of SHOUTING.

    2nd Feb 2016
    6:56pm
    Hang on. I've heard this GST increase is to fix the health and education budgets, and/or facilitate reduction in company taxes to drive growth - BUT pensioners and low wage earners will be compensated to be BETTER OFF than before the rise. So where is the money coming from for health and education? Somebody can't do math and has no logic!
    Adrianus
    3rd Feb 2016
    10:11am
    The labor premiers are talking health and education and they will talk that language for the next 100 years. While the government's focus is on rebalancing the tax system so that it adds to the potential growth provided by the export agreements. If they can get it right we will be flush with funds again. Therefor no whinging from the states and territories.
    Anonymous
    4th Feb 2016
    6:37pm
    Frank, they have got it wrong! You cannot stimulate growth by crippling consumers. Full stop.
    niemakawa
    2nd Feb 2016
    7:48pm
    Don't all States have to agree. If they do then you cannot blame the Federal Government entirely. I am not opposed to an increase per se, but the additional revenue must be used wisely and not spent on spurious "projects". The money should first be used to pay off "debt". But unfortunately is there a Party in Australia that can be trusted to do just that. I would't like to see them coming back to the "trough" for more in a few years time.
    Anonymous
    2nd Feb 2016
    9:16pm
    neimakawa

    No.... the agreement is simply that, apparently it has not been classified as any form of contract so is really at the whim of the Federal govt.

    The proposed GST changes are the act of a very LAZY and INCOMPETENT govt who will always come back to FEED on the low and middle income earners who pay the most in taxes in this country.

    The mass incompetencies of this Liberal Govt. have seen the debt double, our economy falter, our NBN turned into RUBBISH at TRIPLE the cost ($90+ billion compared to Labor's superior NBN costed and audited at $37 billion, buying further multi-million dollar military planes when we haven't even received planes we ordered TEN (10) years ago as yet! The list goes on and on.

    IF this Liberal govt. merely stopped the wealthy from EXPLOITING Superannuation tax breaks, they would make billions to help with their budget but they don't.

    IF this Liberal govt. merely increased the top bracket of the income tax rates, they would raise multi-millions.

    IF this Liberal govt. decreased the contributions to PRIVATE schools from 60% of PUBLIC FUNDS to only 40%, they would raise MULTI-MILLIONS.

    IF this Liberal govt. stopped funding 30% of PRIVATE health, they would raise MULTI-MILLIONS.

    HOWEVER, they CHOOSE to simply TAX the POOR, DISADVANTAGED, MIDDLE CLASSES more and more so that these are the people who are PAYING for this Liberal govt. GROSS MALFEASANCE & MISMANAGEMENT of Australia's economy, instead of those that the Liberal Party represent.... the WEALTHY.
    roy
    3rd Feb 2016
    9:53am
    And yet more capital letters.
    Happy Jack
    2nd Feb 2016
    10:34pm
    Get real! The GST CANNOT BE INCREASED WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT OF ALL STATES. Ask little johnny howard - he passed the leglisation prohibiting it.
    roy
    3rd Feb 2016
    7:53pm
    More capital letters, sheesh.
    Not Senile Yet!
    2nd Feb 2016
    11:14pm
    Everyone on here seems to be in Denial with respect to the Party Politics of the last 25 years.
    Examples:
    Consistently not balancing budgets by overspending....both parties!
    Again...flogging of the People's assets by selling everything to Private Enterprise....stating they can run it cheaper and save the Government and the Tax payer Money!! Really....everything from Power, Water, Gas and services provided to the Governments ..State & Federal went through the roof!!!! FACT!
    Every Government cut Funding for Services that involved Health and Education, whilst stating that we needed to work Smarter not Harder......really??? How does one become smarter when funding is cut....How does one become healthier when wages are tied to productivity increases???? You all have been SOLD Down the river by BOTH Corrupt Parties and their Party Puppets selling their Propaganda of Lies!!!
    Both Parties have lied to get elected then changed their policies once they were elected...or have you voters all got dementia????
    NOTHING these Party Puppets say CAN BE BELIEVED ANY MORE.....just based on past history!!!!
    So WHY? ...Oh Why?..... do you all argue for or against them?
    Simple....you all believe them!!!!
    Gullible lot that you all are.....you believe them when they complain anout the Independants in the Senate when stop their unfair attacks on the Middle and Low Income earners.....you believe them when they complain that the Independants are blackmailing them.....when in reality all they are doing is sending the Bills back for a fairer deal!!!!
    Wake Up....they are Scamming the lot of you!!!
    They are selling lies in the form of Well rehearsed propaganda!!!
    As for Voting Independent as opposed the Big Corrupt Parties....think carefully about the out come!!!
    If you do not put both Parties Last in your preferences it will not make any difference at all!!!!
    To vote Independent as a Statement against the Corruption of Both Big Parties....You need to not use the Donkey card......and You definitely Need to put Both Labor & Liberal Party Puppets LAST in your preferences.......but I doubt anyone would bother ...such a big thing to do....and it requires you to think!!!!
    As for the GST...you all miss the point completely!!!!
    A business not only collects the GST for the Government....it also can claim ALL it's own GST expenditure BACK in their tax returns!!!!
    Yes that's right....NO Business actually pays ANY GST whatsoever.....because they get it all back from You and Me!!!!!
    Simply put...if every Business had to pay their GST on all their purchases....with no refund claimable.....then the Government would NOT have to raise the GST at ALL!!!!
    More importantly Corporate Businesses would then be forced to pay a minimum of 10% Tax through the GST in Australia....something that they do not do presently!!!!
    But the real GST issues is not the fall of revenue......but the overspending of a Government that has only 30Million in population to tax....yet it is trying to keep up with economies that have 300+ Million taxpayers as a base to tax.
    Keeping up with the joneses of the World is NOT the way to balance the Budget!!!
    If you all want to vote for Party Puppets who lie to you....then you get what you deserve...a bunch of lying corrupt individuals who can only ever do what they are told.....who have no conscience because they sold it to their party.....who cannot and will not vote against anything that their party tells them is okay!!!!
    Stop voting for Corrupt Party Puppets if you really want to put the Cat amongst the Pigeons......then watch the feathers fly....as they all loose their power!
    particolor
    3rd Feb 2016
    12:04am
    They are flooding the Market with FAKE Independents ! :-(
    roy
    3rd Feb 2016
    11:07am
    Vote independent, it's the only way.
    Adrianus
    3rd Feb 2016
    7:59pm
    Most of the Independents think they are in opposition. They are very negative to anything the government puts up.
    roy
    4th Feb 2016
    10:22am
    I repeat, vote independent.
    Joyrider
    3rd Feb 2016
    11:53am
    Deckchairs on the Titanic. An increase in the GST will not necessarily increase the overall tax collected.An overall increase of 5% tax take is highly unlikely. Such an increase will tip many marginal small businesses over the edge putting more people on the dole. It will drive up barter trading and any other way around it, legal or otherwise. The lower end of town, the least able to cover the rise, especially those on fixed incomes -pensions, superannuation etc cannot increase income to cover it so they must do without or find other ways. All savings including superannuation are automatically devalued by 5% overnight as you can only buy %5 less with the money. In the fiscal climate Australia is moving into this is NUTS.
    roy
    3rd Feb 2016
    7:52pm
    Vote independent otherwise we are doomed.
    GrayComputing
    5th Feb 2016
    7:22pm
    Every computer is Australia will new software and most ATM and store terminals will need new models. It will cost the government billions in rebates before a single extra cent is recovered and will take 3 years to implement
    Happy Jack
    7th Feb 2016
    5:11pm
    The play for an increase in the GST, so desired by the well off, has just died in the arse. Tumbles Turntable has lost the desire for it. Give it away boys! You're flogging a dead horse.
    Anonymous
    7th Feb 2016
    6:28pm
    well it looks like the GST increase may be "dead-buried and cremated".
    I wrote to a few politicians saying that the case to increase the GST has not been made - its a lazy tax reform - if in fact you can call it a reform.
    A lot of commentators say we should increase GST, cut negative gearing, increase Capital Gains Tax, remove family trusts, increase taxes on super BUT in 2007 all of thee things existed as did a 10% GST and we had a balanced budget (actually a surplus) + $40b in bank - OK so labor spent bank balance on GFC - so lets put that to one side - we are let with a budget that has structural imbalances - yes we have a revenue problem but that is less of a problem than spending (which has gone up 9% per budget since 2007 and LNP have been equally to blame).
    It seems no party has an appetite to tackle spending but mark my words eventually someone will have to - we cannot go on spending $100M a day more than govn is getting in. We must not let govns get away with increase spending then increasing taxes to fund it - for a long time it has been accepted that 25% of GDP is a number that govn should set as maximum spend per budget.
    My other worry was that if we let the LNP govn get away with increasing the GST then it would be easy for it to go to say 20%.
    As I have said before some of our problem is pay rises - eg the head of ABC salary went from $300k in 2007 to $800k by Sep 2013 - sadly LNP hae appointed new head of ABC - salary $1.1m - tax payer money. Same with head of Defence - in 2007 on about $270k - by Sep 2013 $600k.
    So some say what is my solutions:-
    All govn departments to have no more than CPI increases to budget until federal budget is balanced
    No pay increases for Senior executive service staff for life of parliament (3 years) until federal budget balanced.
    Everyone taxpayers and those on govn benefits to pay 1% deficit tax on their govn benefit or tax income (before deductions).
    Govn to do whatever it can to ensure foreign multi- nationals pay tax on their local earnings.
    A personal view of mine would be to cut heavily on foreign aid but understand this may not provide much dividend - I get annoyed that we give Indonesai $500m a year yet last year Indonesia reviewed its visa status with countries and gave 17 nations reciprocal rights (no fees) - but not Australia and we give them by far the most aid.
    I am sure others might have some other suggestions that will solve the budget problem.


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