Jobs ‘solution’ could push all prices higher

Economists argue for governments to print money to fund jobs for the unemployed.

Jobs could be funded by the Government

A radical economics theory to eliminate unemployment using government funds is gaining traction in Australia.

Visiting US economist Professor Stephanie Kelton believes that the Federal Government should underwrite jobs for all Australians struggling to find work, the ABC reports.

The jobs would be created in the community sector, but the wages would come from Treasury.

Rather than rely on Treasury revenue, however, Prof. Kelton recommends that the Government print money to fund the new ‘jobs guarantee’ payroll.

The idea is part of the modern monetary theory (MMT) school of thought that has been developing since the early 1990s, the ABC says.

But critics of governments printing more money when they run out of cash say that the process leads to runaway inflation and a devaluation of the local currency. This view is also in dispute among other economists.

Prof. Kelton is being hosted by organisation GetUp’s Rethinking Our Economy roadshow. A jobs guarantee is a key plank of the organisation’s Future to Fight For campaign.

In an interview with SBS News, the economist said: “They might say 'it would be of value in this community to have someone provide an extra pair of hands in a school or a crossing guard or working to mitigate climate change. There are tens of thousands of jobs that you could imagine.”  

Her views are echoed by University of Adelaide economics lecturer Steven Hail, who believes that governments should not obsess about balancing budgets.

“In a country with nearly 15 per cent underutilisation of labour, over 30 per cent youth underutilisation, fragile private balance sheets, and a growing need for green and other infrastructural investments, it does imply that budget repair is a red herring,” Mr Hail said.

“This means the Government could and should be using its role as the currency issuer to promote full employment, social inclusion, ecological repair, and healthy private sector balance sheets.”

The Greens are understood to have explored the benefits of MMT and recently, Mr Hail briefed the Canberra branch of the Labor Party on the theory.

There are about 700,000 jobless Australians. Last month, the unemployment rate fell to a six-year low of five per cent.

 “There is nothing to prevent the Australian government, if it chose to do so, from funding a large-scale government job program that would offer employment to anybody who wanted work and couldn't find it anywhere else in the Australian economy,” Prof. Kelton said.

“We want the local communities being the ones to imagine the kind of work that is going to provide the most value.

“So it’s not a top-down government, bureaucratic (model) … they just provide the funding and the community decides what needs to be done.”

Do you think the Government should pay the unemployed to work for other organisations? Would you be willing to risk inflation in order that no older Australians would be jobless?

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    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    9:00am
    Print money? That works real well in countries like Argentina to name one. Australia should avoid this at all costs unless other countries start defaulting on their debts and it is clear what the game is and the intended outcome.
    What needs to happen in Australia is that the rich are properly taxed, offshore tax shelters are declared illegal and the money fraudulently sent to them over the past 10 years is recouped. That might see some of the wealthy brought to account and a rebalancing of society. Then we'd have plenty of money to create work for those left on the scrapheap let alone those who will be added when the robotics tsunami arrives. Hey, you might even get promising startups being able to stay in Australia and create wealth for our country rather than the US. A win win.
    Of course the big end of town will never allow this to happen. That's the real tragedy of the voting public being lambs to their own slaughter.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:19am
    Top 20% of taxpayers pay 80% of the tax.
    maelcolium
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:37am
    Governments don't print money to spend. They credit Commercial Bank accounts via Treasury transactions. Argentina lost it's way because it based it's currency on the US dollar and they ran out of those dollars to pay their foreign debt. The AU dollar is fiat and cannot be exchanged for anything other than payment of taxes, so we can never default on debts in our own currency.

    Taxation gives the dollar value by demanding that all taxes are paid in dollars. Taxes are not a store of value, they remove currency from circulation thereby controlling inflation. Taxation may be used to redistribute wealth within an economy, but they raise no money by taxing the rich. The purpose of ensuring taxes are collected is to support the value of the fiat and to not do so would undermine that value. The Gold Standard was negated years ago when all modern economies floated their exchange rates.

    The Australian Government is the monopoly issuer of the AU dollar and is able to buy whatever goods or services are available in the economy. This includes employment. It need not issue bonds so it doesn't need to borrow from the private sector, although it does this as a self imposed convention. From an economic perspective it is not required.

    Your big end of town you mention is supported by lobbyists and donations who pressure MP's into making decisions that are complimentary. This includes taxation, pressure by lowering wages and multiple other things which degrade our well being. The fact is that they depend entirely upon support from Government and this is becoming known to people which is why independents are winning seats.

    The reality is that unemployment is a choice made by Government under pressure from vested interests promoted by lobbyists and donations. Cut out both of those and the Government will start to represent the people, which is their job after all.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:46am
    The top 20% of income earners earn a heck of a lot more than 20% of the national income. That's the lie you are peddling OG.
    Talking about percentages disguises the top from the facts: that they are paying low rates of tax.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:04pm
    Mick that means 80% of the population only pay 20% of the tax with many not paying anything after government handouts to them.
    GeorgeM
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:16pm
    I agree, MICK, the top end are NOT paying their fair share, and if that problem is fixed for both large companies and rich individuals many of whom pay zero or very low taxes (easy fixes are: Minimum Taxes on Gross Income, NO deductions for overseas claimed costs, and remove big loopholes such as Trusts paying less taxes), then we have heaps of money without having to print money. The latter is inflationary hence a bad idea.

    Also, the Govt should take back ownership and profits from all resources.That in itself could mean we don't need any taxes on locals in this country, other than taxing foreign companies trying to make a quick buck here.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:37pm
    Read some of the background OG:

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/oct/26/worlds-billionaires-became-20-richer-in-2017-report-reveals

    Fake news to you eh?

    Your figures are disturbing because you twist the facts. Your normal behaviour.
    Farside
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:39pm
    maelcolium knows ... I doff my virtual hat to you, and extra kudos for using fiat in a sentence.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:06pm
    Mick I refuse to read the rubbish the guardian publishes.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:55pm
    You crack me up OG. I guess we have to accept the politcal lies we read in the various media outlets owned by the top end of town. I've never read anyone say they trust anything they read in these mastheads.
    You are the epitome of Trump. You claim fake news from the only sources which actually present real news which is not a political lie grooming the political party which does its bidding.
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:47pm
    The print money scheme is akin to labor's taxing the rich policy - problem is you eventually run out of other peoples money
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    4:43pm
    Rubbish. The "print money scheme" is what Australia may have to do because YOUR GOVERNMENT has run up $600 billion worth of debt with not one thing to show for it. Then they threw on tax cuts for their rich donors and mates.
    You are perverse Lothario. Lying comes and twisting the truth comes easily to you.
    Anonymous
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:09am
    We've already run out of other people's money, Lothario. They rich hoarded theirs abroad and dodge tax. We've run out of battlers paying who actually have the capacity to pay their way, because the greed of the wealthy has resulted in intolerable demands on people NOW WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY ANY MORE. The only way out now IS to tax the rich, but the greedy bastards are far too selfish and always have ways to avoid their moral obligations.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:31am
    Give the rich a break OGR as they now pay 80% of the taxes.
    Hoohoo
    23rd Nov 2018
    12:56pm
    OG you say "Top 20% of taxpayers pay 80% of the tax." but you neglect to mention the extremely rich who PAY NO TAX AT ALL, so they are not in your "Top 20%" because they are not classified as taxpayers.
    MICK is correct - those offshore tax havens are sucking Government revenue dry. They are a drain on our fair country. They should be declared illegal.
    OGRainey, you are also correct in saying " The only way out now IS to tax the rich, but the greedy bastards are far too selfish and always have ways to avoid their moral obligations." Unfortunately, the very rich think they are just very clever (because they have clever accountants), & "moral obligation" is against their religion. They are only obliged to be legal & therein lies the problem. Offshore tax havens should be declared illegal.
    Farside
    23rd Nov 2018
    1:06pm
    Some rather simplistic opinions on how to deal with corporate tax obligations and profit shifting. Anybody with even a modicum of knowledge of transfer pricing knows that it is not difficult to do this legally, and for international operators it actually makes sense for their shareholders. Like the tip of an iceberg, it is only the excessive tax avoidance the ATO can pursue.
    Charlie
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:37am
    A similar employment scheme was done in the 1970's and I spent a little time on this scheme.

    Councils were paid by the government to employ people. If somebody didn't turn up for work a couple of days a week, they would still keep their job but only get paid for the days they attended.

    The Council would still get the full money, whether people turned up every day or not.
    Herbie49
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:53am
    Quite right Charlie was called the RED scheme here in WA and more than a few of those men got permanent employment out of it, once employers realised thier value.

    22nd Nov 2018
    11:07am
    Anything sponsored by GetUp is suspect. The last thing we need is some visiting professor from America telling Australians how to run the country and giving as a solution that governments spend money they don't have. You can help, Professor Stephanie Kelton, by going home.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:18am
    I noticed we now have an alternative to Get Up called Alliance Australia.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:49am
    And anything sponsored by the Murdoch and Stokes media is the same OM.
    I read your lot are kicking off the next blatant right media propaganda machine called Alliance Australia? This will be a fair go for the top end of society who got a tax cut whilst the rest of us got cuts in services and attacks on retirees.
    You are starting to post the party propaganda OM so the election must be close.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:00pm
    Mick nothing could be worse than Getup financed by none other than George Soros.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:17pm
    Alliance Australia are a sponsored top end of town movement that will be preaching in a way to ensure the rich & powerful get richer, less accountable with more power. Their disgusting & appalling ways have floated to the surface like a big smelly turd during the bank enquiry and more & more crap is revealed every time they open their mouths during the enquiry.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:48pm
    1984 Rubbish and George Soros is not the top end of town?
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:52pm
    you believe in right wing conspiracy OG, then you aren't as smart or clever as you make out. Here is are 2 extracts from a Crikey article Sept 2016
    "It's clear following GetUp's success at the recent Federal election unseating hard-right colleagues of Eric Abetz he is running a baseless smear campaign against GetUp."
    "George Soros has never donated to GetUp. The claim that GetUp has received funding from George Soros has become a lukewarm conspiracy theory in recent years popular among a subset of right-wing internet trolls."
    You are most likely one of those trolls but you'll most likely come up with some other right wing rubbish as always
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:56pm
    Correct 1984.
    OG is a troll for the government. Cash for comment I'd be thinking. None of his posts have anything honest in them, a reflection of the man himself.
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:06pm
    MICK, a bit of consistency from you would be a good thing; your post above suggests that only the top end of town got a tax cut but yesterday you posted "I'm not at all confused about the different taxes. What I am saying is that the top end of town bleeds the country dry. Just like Turnbull's recent tax cuts somebody on $80,000 got a $500 cut whilst somebody on $180,000 got a $7,600 cut. "

    Either everybody got a tax cut or only the top end of town got a tax cut. I believe that everybody got a tax cut but you are apparently taking an each way bet. BTW, just as I don't subscribe to GetUp, you and your union mates have the same choice with any group with which you disagree. It's still a free country MICK.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:23pm
    1984 be very careful what Crikey writes as it is a lot of BS most times.

    Remember they exist for one reason only to sell subscription to their newsletter.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    4:56pm
    A couple of things to say about your post OM:

    1. A $500 tax cut for somebody on $80,000 finding it impossible to live and/or stimulate the economy is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT to somebody on $180,000 living the high life and getting another $7600 when there is no need of this. And a tax cut of any form when we have a "Budget Emergency"? Or have you forgotten that average Australians are supposed to pay to fix up the huge debt the current government has run up. The one the media NEVER mentions!
    You are simply playing with words. Semantics. Shame!

    2. A "free country"? Is it? Are you not aware that Turnbull tried his best to make it a big business owned government.

    Unions and Labor scrutinised with Royal Commissions?
    Third party organisations like GetUp made political targets whilst the Murdoch and Stokes Press may do as they like and continue to run dishonest political propaganda leading up to elections? That one is in full swing now.
    The wealthy given the ability to hide their crooked dealings from the media so that they are not caught out?
    Ordinary people having their privacy stolen under the (false) guise of 'terrorism'?
    New laws to try and remove privacy with personal conversations so that any bureaucrat can monitor who you contact and what you say?
    Attempts to use a wide range of biometric monitoring for reason yet unknown?

    You have a hide claiming that unions are a problem when it is the extended network from the top end of town demanding to control everything which pertains to the running of the country and our individual freedoms. So who pays your salary OM????????
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:44pm
    So, MICK, you endorse all of the actions of the CFMMEU?

    The ongoing enquiry into GetUp is about the $100,000 granted to them when Shorten was Secretary of the AWU and was also President of GetUp. The AWU is still looking for the paperwork that will show that Shorten was authorised to make the transfer of funds.

    If you have any information about Murdoch and Stokes breaking the law, it is incumbent on you to report such infractions to the authorities. BTW, telling the truth about politicians is not against the law, MICK.

    And to finish off, I note that you have lapsed into your usual bully boy union tactic of ignoring the facts and hurling personal abuse at the messenger. You don't disappoint.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:27pm
    Now I know you are a troll OM. When you can't address the issues YOU always go back to union, Labor and GetUp nonsense with a bit of pink batts and any other BS thrown in.

    FACT: the media is owned by business which has its own political Party to do its bidding. Called the LNP.

    FACT: there are plenty of socially destructive behaviours and dishonesty which should see the captains of industry with jail sentences. The current RC into banks is one in progress nut not one of the crooks will ever see a day's jail. They should.

    Bully boy? No. Frustration with you and the other sponsored trolls who keep posting what you do: dishonesty and perversion which you are paid for.
    Hoohoo
    23rd Nov 2018
    1:09pm
    Wow, $80K or $180K sounds like a shit load of earnings. Think about the working poor, who not only have stagnant wages, BUT NEGATIVE WAGES for those who've lost their Sunday penalty rates, just so the moneyed can enjoy their Sunday brunch at their favourite cafe.
    BLOODY LIBERALS! Thanks for minus nothing.
    AutumnOz
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:21am
    Didn't we have a scheme a few years ago when gov't paid employers to employ people for a set period?
    As I remember this scheme failed once that period was over and the employee was again unemployed. The only people that worked for was the employer who would then employ a different unemployed person and again dip into the gov't purse.
    I can't remember what the scheme was called but someone will and can probably find the website.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:29am
    There was all sorts of schemes under the Whitlam government in the 1970s.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:51am
    We have that one still with us. Put in place by the current lot AutumnOz. Tradies are paid to employ apprentices but when the paid period is over the apprentices are let go. Then they get another one. A bad scheme....but then what else does the current government ever come up with.
    AutumnOz
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:46pm
    Thanks Mick. I knew I'd seen something similar to the scheme mentioned in the article but couldn't remember where.
    Is it a scheme or a scam? If the paid period runs for the length of the apprenticeship it probably does do some good, but if not then it is cheating youngsters out of a trade certificate and probably any chance of getting a decent job in a field that interests them.
    Wickedness
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:21am
    An American advising Australia how to survive with the jobless, that's a joke. Just have a look at America, how many Trillions in debt??? Sounds like the old saying, The blind leading the blind!
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:52am
    Spot on. America is the Land of the (NOT) Free where the top has unbelievable opulent wealth and the bottom lives in abject poverty with no health insurance and requiring food stamps whilst having a fulltime job if they can find one.
    This is the model Turnbull wanted for us.
    Sundays
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:32pm
    Yes, she should give Trump some advice. Worst thing I saw was the ‘working poor’ ie with jobs, but unable to afford rent living in their cars and caravans in a car park in Seattle. There were hundreds of these people. Not sure where they showered etc.
    maelcolium
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:41am
    A job guarantee supported by Government for everyone wants to work is a reality. The best source of information on this is from an Australian Economics Professor, Bill Mitchell. See here for full information http://www.billmitchell.org/Job_Guarantee.php
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:55am
    Job guarantee? That'd be good but not going to happen. Employers want cheap labour and with coming robotics there will be a huge group of Australians who will have no job ever. If you want social disruption just wait for that one and lets see how employers care (not) when they have machines to do everything. I fee revolution in the air.....
    GeorgeM
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:27pm
    It could also be a ruse to offer jobs which are unsuitable to people, rather than giving them real work which suits their qualifications & experience, and then use that as a stick to deny Newstart payments if someone doesn't accept it.

    The better solution is called PREVENTION - ban companies & Govt from Retrenching people (unless the company shuts down), and no one over 50 should be left without a job without Govt stepping in immediately and actively helping to place them in a similar advertised role with companies not allowed to refuse as many are refusing to take qualified people based on discrimination based on age, race, colour, etc. Also STOP 457 visas completely in any job category where people are applying for jobs.
    BTW: Scrap the Job Network Agencies who are completely useless and a drain on the taxpayer.

    So many things which can be done, yet even the moronic so-called Labor party doesn't want to consider any such ideas to look after the working-age people.
    Farside
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:48pm
    Mick, you're a first order joker, the quip about revolution was hilarious. You are absolutely spot on the money for the disruption by AI, robots, globalism etc but Australians going the revolution is incomprehensible ... we are much too apathetic for that! Easier to gripe about the state of the nation than actually become engaged and do something about it.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:50pm
    When inequality and hunger become issues revolution is never a joke. Read all about it: The French Revolution.
    I take your point about Australians but that is only because we have always, until now, had a fair society. That changed when Abbott got in.
    I suggest you have a think about what caused the Eureka Stockade Farside. If the current push from the top to destitute Australians keeps going breaking point will arrive one day.
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:11pm
    We have difficulty participating in a revolution these days. 1996 Howard took all our guns away and melted them down. Criminals still have them but they are not interested in people's revolution and I also doubt they worry about jobs and hunger.
    Farside
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:13pm
    Mick, I'll have what you are drinking. I don't know if it occurred to you that the times and the eureka stockade generation are a far cry from the millennial generation. I ask you who would be scared of a revolution from god's waiting room – a bunch of old and busted pensioners, begging bowls out and volume up to 10; they cannot even organise to vote as a bloc to obtain political leverage so they would likely snooze through the "revolution". Heck, a lot of pensioners continue to vote LNP under the misguided belief the LNP will look after them, go figure :D
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:01pm
    Jim - so true but will they shoot us in the streets from objecting and demanding change? If they do you will get guerilla warfare because no totalitarian regime can suppress the people forever.

    Farside - I see your point but when you push a population into a corner there is only one way out and eventually it'll explode. Do you think that people will forever lay down and take what the big end of town is handing out. I guess watching how things play out in America will point to what will occur here albeit they have guns. Point taken.
    Oh yes....I'm drinking a drink of honesty and equity to oppose the oppression dressed up as politics..
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:05pm
    Hhahaha - Mick drinking a drink of honesty and equity

    You are so full of it . Spewing labor party propaganda . No one is buying your b/s

    ANy smart thinking person knows labor spells disaster
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:28pm
    Wow. You sound like you are doing drugs Lothario.
    Farside
    23rd Nov 2018
    12:49pm
    @Mick, never mind the lack of guns here compared to the USA, the old and busted are not a threat to anyone and would struggle to hit the side of a barn in any case. It's not the retired being pushed into a corner that anybody has to worry about. Consider what happens if the taxpaying millenials are pushed into a corner – sure as night follows day they will come after the assets plundered from them by the boomers and x gen that preceded them. Look to see introduction of wealth and death taxes, increases in rates and greater reliance upon assets tests for government welfare eligibility. Now back to that drink ...

    22nd Nov 2018
    12:00pm
    Well, according to OG, there's no need because there are jobs for everyone who wants one. So according to OG, 700,000 currently unemployed (plus many unemployed and underemployed who for various reasons aren't counted in official surveys) don't want jobs. There are some unemployed, even on this forum, who would dispute that, but of course OG knows more than they do about what they want and what is available to them. And he apparently knows more than those who compile official statistics that show nearly 15 per cent underutilisation of labour and over 30 per cent youth underutilisation. Of course OG's source is ''people he knows'', and he'd like us to be STUPID enough to accept that as reasonable evidence of fact. No wonder the economy is in a mess with people like him voting!
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:02pm
    Why then do we have 1.4 million foreigners in Australia doing the jobs that Australians don't want? Plenty of jobs but Australians don't want them.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:22pm
    OG rubbish again. rofl
    GeorgeM
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:33pm
    OG, that is rubbish, as it's also significantly the result of racism or age discrimination - employers want to bring in younger people of their preferred age & racial background (without saying so) rather than hire locally available well qualified & experienced people. Have seen it first hand happening in the State Govt agency in NSW called Transport for NSW & in City Rail (headed by a pommie).

    We should remove all these foreigners till local people are all fully employed in every job category where local people are available.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:39pm
    Agree with you both. Australians DO WANT THE JOBS. They are refused employment and that is the scam. Shorten has signalled this will change.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:07pm
    In your dreams Mick.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:46pm
    Play the government tape all you like OG but we both know the facts. Your version is cash for comment.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:51pm
    ROFL
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:59pm
    MICK, please enlighten us as to which Australians are refused employment.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:02pm
    The ones who say 'I would have taken that job' when it was earmarked for imported labour which is abused and short changed.
    Jim
    22nd Nov 2018
    7:25pm
    Mick unfortuanately Shorten has no intention of creating employment, when I was still in the workforce, BHP wanted to get rid of ten men, I was the advocate for number 5 blast furnace, we were having a meeting after a 12 hour NS shorten turned up out of the blue and interrupted our meeting, his agenda was to get people to vote against a pay rise for board members, something all of us would agree, but it turned out that 75% of the vote was going to be by major companies, so we had no chance of stopping their agenda, but fair enough nothing wrong with a protest vote, the thing that was wrong was that we had asked for months for the assistance of a legal representative,Mandy told there was no money in the pot, but there seemed to plenty for him and his entourage and most of the delegates and organisers went out for lunch. Commissioner Conners had suggested that with legal representation we had a good chance of saving the jobs, we had an iron clad award, but the company applied for a variance to our award, with out legal representation they were awarded the variance to the award, when I raised this with Shorten, his response was to call me a whinging pommie bastard, I had given up almost two years of my life to try and save these jobs, the jobs went, and using their victory as a precedence many more jobs were lost, not long after that he was raising his profile at Beaconsfield, on the back of that he entered politics. If Shorten couldn’t be bothered saving ten jobs, why does anyone think he can create 700,000 or what ever figure they finally come up with, this is why I can’t stand Shorten.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:37pm
    I can't say whether he will or won't Jim but you may want to confront the reality of the last 5 years where the only job creation was from full time jobs to part time jobs (one to two) and an improving world economy. The LNP has done NOTHING to create jobs and the taxpayer welfare paid to the top end was yet another knife in the side of our country.

    You sound like you had a bad experience with Shorten. Morrison would be no better. I can't say I like Shorten but his Party is more than just him. Your alternative is to put the worst government in living history back into office which will result in the obscene company tax cuts being brought in (they never give up when they want something!) and then being attacked further as has occurred for some time now. Pick your poison mate!

    If it were up to me I'd advocate backing a good Independent but given the dictatorship which has been forming over the past 5 years I believe the most important thing any of us can do is end what is happening. Australia does not want a dictatorship.
    Jim
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:57pm
    I know you are very much anti liberal, and that’s your perogotive, depending on who you listen to and the source of the information, the Libs created 800,000 jobs over 2 years, I don’t know the proportions of part time, casual and full time, but depending on your source of information it will cloud the decision you arrive at, but that aside do you think the announcement is a coincidence, with an election in Victoria this weekend? As I said in my comment Shorten let 10 men lose their jobs, it was totally preventable and led to more job losses using the same tactics, some people might think that 10 men losing their jobs is not important, some of those men were too old to find new jobs and were devastated, they didn’t have many years up so the payout was insignificant. The latest attempt to promise jobs, by Shorten is a great idea, but unless we start making the panels and the batteries here the job creation will be overseas companies, there was only 1 company in Australia making the panels and they had a very small percentage of the market, and I am not sure 100% they are still in business, they are a SA company and have been taken over by another company just recently. Bill promised to put in $200,000,000 to help fund 100,000 units, with eventually taking that number up to 1 million, where are they coming from and how many years is this going to take? , I agree with renewables and have had the panels myself for about 9/10 years, I am afraid these are just election promises, which I can’t understand, the election can’t be lost, but if Bill keeps coming up with these crazy ideas, I suspect the greens may have had a hand in this.
    Jim
    22nd Nov 2018
    11:57pm
    I know you are very much anti liberal, and that’s your perogotive, depending on who you listen to and the source of the information, the Libs created 800,000 jobs over 2 years, I don’t know the proportions of part time, casual and full time, but depending on your source of information it will cloud the decision you arrive at, but that aside do you think the announcement is a coincidence, with an election in Victoria this weekend? As I said in my comment Shorten let 10 men lose their jobs, it was totally preventable and led to more job losses using the same tactics, some people might think that 10 men losing their jobs is not important, some of those men were too old to find new jobs and were devastated, they didn’t have many years up so the payout was insignificant. The latest attempt to promise jobs, by Shorten is a great idea, but unless we start making the panels and the batteries here the job creation will be overseas companies, there was only 1 company in Australia making the panels and they had a very small percentage of the market, and I am not sure 100% they are still in business, they are a SA company and have been taken over by another company just recently. Bill promised to put in $200,000,000 to help fund 100,000 units, with eventually taking that number up to 1 million, where are they coming from and how many years is this going to take? , I agree with renewables and have had the panels myself for about 9/10 years, I am afraid these are just election promises, which I can’t understand, the election can’t be lost, but if Bill keeps coming up with these crazy ideas, I suspect the greens may have had a hand in this.
    Anonymous
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:06am
    OG, I know someone who desperately wants a job, but the job she wants is being done remotely by someone in the Phillipines working for $7 an hour. It's a skilled job that was paying 10-15 times that much before the Internet changed the landscape. I know of dozens of companies paying foreigners $5-10 per hour for computer programmers and web developers with advanced skills. No, Australians don't want those jobs at those absurd pay rates. $245 a week is actually less than Newstart! And the employee has to work from home and maintain their own computer systems and internet connection at their expense.

    Take you BS somewhere else, OG. Nobody here is stupid enough to believe your crap.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:14am
    Jim:

    1. I am not an anti Liberal. I just expect decency and fairness and this government has been a malicious bed of corrupt business relationships since day one, installed by a media baron to do his bidding.
    2. What the Libs have predominantly done is take full time jobs and turn them into 2 part time jobs. That's a con. Of late full time jobs have been created but this is not from anything this government has done as the world has moved on from the GFC and employment has been increasing everywhere. Don't give the devil credit for the obvious.
    3. Have you not noticed that with an election coming up there's always some world shattering news released about Labor. Luke Foley who has been head and shoulders ahead in the polls was recently sent off with a state election not too far away. Emma Hussar was attacked relentlessly by the media with 'bullying' allegations just before Super Saturday. expect some 'breaking news about Labor of Shorten in the next 4 months. its how the Libs work. And don't forget GetUp was hacked less than 2 weeks before the last federal election. A coincidence and not us? Yeah right!
    4. Shorten has indicated Australia should share in the solar industry. Beyond that I don't know what he intends but certainly the $2000 battery rebate will be as influential as solar panels which labor kick started. It should not surprise you that Morrison is comparing this to the pink batts as his bunch of crooks only want coal plants and they know batteries work after South Australia put them in. One third paid for after 1 year but never a mention on the 'news'. Funny that.

    You need to cut yourself off from all parties Bill. Having an allegiance is the problem and you need to remember that a political party is just like yesterday's fish and chips. If they cease to perform then time for a change. You may call some of Shorten's proposals "crazy" but they look fairly solid to me. The only people who do not like them are the people who have something to lose.
    Old Geezer
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:35am
    I know all about those working in the Philippines as I used to get $50 for a job they now do with $5. They can have it as I will just do something else instead.
    Farside
    23rd Nov 2018
    12:59pm
    why the lack of love for the Philippines and other developing countries willing to work for a pittance and taking jobs away from Australians? Manufacturers would not be going through the aggravation and risk of relocating operations and supply chains overseas if they could make an adequate return at home. Truth is that consumers buy are seduced by price and would rather by the $10 widget from China or the $20 doodad from Phillipine than higher price equivalent object made in the western suburbs of Sydney or Melbourne. Choices have consequences.
    Dave R
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:01pm
    In theory this is a good idea but in practise I have my doubts about it.
    I mean this means making jobs for half a million people and the logistics alone are overwhelming.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    12:20pm
    And we should listen to anyone from the US of A. They are the main cause of the worlds problems. Caused the great depression & the GFC all because of greedy power hungry elite who want all the global wealth & power.
    Priscilla
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:18pm
    The reason we have 700,000 unemployed in Australia is because of the use of 745 visa workers from overseas who work for a pittance and do Australians out of work. Supermarkets like Coles, Woolworths, are also eliminating workers by using self checkouts etc. If people refused to use self checkouts, supermarkets would have to employ more staff and assist with the unemployment problem. Sadly greed is the only thing that matters in this day and age, not Australians. Executives are paid millions whilst ordinary workers are struggling to manage below the poverty line. Same goes for telecommunications using overseas workers. Its neverending!
    cupoftea
    22nd Nov 2018
    2:03pm
    I used a self checkout once in Kmart at 9 o'clock in the morning there was no one working the tills 1 worker supervising 6 checkouts the first and last time I will use one
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:50pm
    I refuse to use a self checkout as I'd rather have an employee serve me. Had the same experience with only self serve open at local Woolies, went to the service desk rang the bell & insisted on a manned check-out open or I would make a complaint to head office, at the same time taking a photo of the normal check-outs closed & one of the assistant with name tag
    Jacqui
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:35pm
    everybody should read the following
    'The Terrible Truth About The UN Migration Compact'. youtube Stefan Molyeux
    be sure to read the comments...very interesting.

    ABC Iview under title 'This is not a drill'.
    Frightening!
    floss
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:47pm
    O.G. put away your phone get off your computer plant a tree get a job at this time all you do is tell fibs and annoy people.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:52pm
    Ha, ha....a solid comment from a real Australian.
    OG does not have a real lot of credibility so most readers know what he is.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:14pm
    Already plant about half a dozen trees this morning so now computer time for a rest.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:45pm
    More bs OG. And what type of trees did you plant. I think we all know which way they'll lean lol
    Old Geezer
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:37am
    Mirarras.
    Hoohoo
    23rd Nov 2018
    1:40pm
    Mirarras are money trees?
    Karl Marx
    23rd Nov 2018
    1:58pm
    Just more BS OG,
    floss
    22nd Nov 2018
    1:57pm
    Jacqui I will check it out,getting off the subject I believe immigration in the last thirty years has wrecked Australia as we once knew it,end of gripe.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:15pm
    My guess is that there is a good chance you too are a migrant.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:03pm
    And you are A TROLL.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:44pm
    point being OG. Don't see the relevance of your statement. Just another unintelligent comment with no subject value

    22nd Nov 2018
    3:45pm
    Hahaha - typical labor thinking

    Isnt Getup funded by labor . Has Shorten's dirty hands and dumb economics written all over this
    Old Geezer
    22nd Nov 2018
    3:49pm
    Yes.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:05pm
    The tag team in action.
    Apparently the right wing media which is a political propaganda tool is acceptable but the ABC and GetUp should be made illegal. You guys crack me up. Laurel and Hardy in action.
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:33pm
    They are twins Mick so what would you expect from a pair of unintelligent trolls that know it all & know everyone, been there & done that & very little constructive input.
    Nose Hair Bob
    22nd Nov 2018
    4:45pm
    News to me, I thought only countries who hold the reserve currency could print money...and throughout history they all went pear shaped.
    MICK
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:06pm
    No. Any country can although being the reserve currency is akin to the same thing. Why do you think a lot of multinationals deal in $US only and why gold is denominated in $US? America gets its cut every time you buy something in its currency. Better known as a casino!
    Anonymous
    22nd Nov 2018
    5:09pm
    Bob - now you know why labor cannot be allowed on power for more than 1 term

    Every time they get in, the economy goes pear shaped, and it take us decades to recover form the mess
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:35pm
    And the LN have been in power for 2 terms now & no sign of recovery only more & more debt. Facts speaketh the truth.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:16am
    More tax cuts for the rich? Coming if the LNP is put back in. Where's Rupert and Kerry?
    Jim
    22nd Nov 2018
    6:43pm
    I stopped reading when I read get up, that’s a bit like saying we will get the greens to sort the economy. We have had many of these community job plans in the past, we had one in the Illawarra called the red scheme, it was run by the local council I think, there were that many unscrupulous people and vulnerable people were taken advantage of, it didn’t last long and quickly closed down
    Karl Marx
    22nd Nov 2018
    10:42pm
    Jim, there's always dishonest people that come out of the woodwork that will rought the system and not do the right thing by those who are supposed to benefit because all they see is money & greed. These schemes hardly ever work when put in the hands of private enterprise.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2018
    9:18am
    Not one political party has the answer to jobs. This government is all about creating unemployment at the bottom and huge wealth at the top. They have no other interest as they are owned/controlled by very wealthy Australians.
    Ted Wards
    23rd Nov 2018
    3:50pm
    Isn't is marvelous, if say someone like me wanted to just print money to have more to spend, i'd be in big trouble. But, if anyone is interested I still have a whole batch left over from an activity we did with our aged care clients. Anyone want them..really good quality fakes.....even when you use them to play monopoly you can't tell the difference ;)
    Roy R
    23rd Nov 2018
    4:03pm
    You cannot trust economists. They are like statisticians and psycologists, full of statistical bullshit.