A very poor attitude

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8 yrs ago

There are reports of police and other agencies raiding homes in Merrylands NSW relating to the shooting deaths last friday at the Police HQ in Parramatta. At one address a Muslim woman became irate and tried to barge through police cordons - she also screamed abuse and foul language at police and reporters. Eggs were also thrown at reporters.

Migrants come here for a new and better life and have obligations to act responsibly and obey our laws. I wonder how this woman would have fared carrying on like that in her country of origin? She might well have been shot by police.

I really wonder why some of these people come here, dragging their violent, anti-social and radical views behind them - is it migration or invasion? Lots of migrants come to our shores, assimilate, work, obey the law and become good citizens - why are we so afraid to say that it is predominantly Muslims who are the problem? Certainly not all Muslims, but we cant tell good from bad as they cross our borders.

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Daisy

8 yrs ago

You are perhaps hearing about the negative responses and nothing is being relayed about those who comply with the police with no trouble? Certain media outlets like to hype up anti Muslim feeling. In all migration from anywhere there is the good and the bad. I once witnessed the murder of a Croatian by Serbians in Newtown Sydney. They brought their tribal antagonisms to this country and created a lot of trouble in the 1960s and '70s. With the Vietnamese we had a lot of trouble with triad gangs and the Italians brought their mafia and killed one of our politicians. With each wave from anywhere there is positives and negatives but over all it is great to have a multicultural society and most Muslims are good people.

Twyla

8 yrs ago

"Most Muslims are good people."

The vast majority of Muslims are good people and an asset to this country.

It is unrealistic and definitely a form of racism (albeit Islam is a religion, not a race) to not recognise that the practice/belief of Islam, within certain groups, is abhorrent to normal Australians.

These beliefs are not tied to crime as we know it, but tied to capricious and lethal acts against anyone not of their "religion" ... That their religion invests such deadly actions as worthy and necessary to attain their salvation.

A large group of these devotees is not needed to commit horrendous damage within any society.

To say that the vast majority of Muslims are not like this, is a truism.

But to ignore the fact that there are others, less than benign, actually dangerous within any society, whilst laudible to the PC crowd, is naive in the extreme.

Daisy

8 yrs ago

ISIS is the threat. Those of fundamentalist (important to lay emphasis on that word) Islamic faith, not Islam per se and your average moderate Muslim. It is counter productive to outline Muslims as the problem. Quote kfchugo: "why are we so afraid to say that it is predominately Muslims who are the problem?". It is not, it is ISIS. We all have a common enemy in ISIS, Muslims and non Muslims alike. ISIS doctrine demands the execution of all non fundamentalist Muslims. We are dealing with madness and no-one is ignoring that but it is detrimental to not clearly delineate between the majority of Muslims who live good lives and the small minority in this country who are crazy fundamentalists. Fear based alienation of Muslims feeds into the hands of the enemy.

Quote Robi: Fear based alienation of Muslims feeds into the hands of the enemy.

Absolutely correct Robi, and a great post. We are indeed dealing with a madness and IS is nothing to do with the real teaching of Islam. They are murderers and to speak of all of our Muslim citizens in the same vein is not only detrimental to our community, but will chase the young and impressional right into their camp, and I include white Australian kids in this..

YES, we should be lauding those wonderful migrants who actually obey the law of the Country that has accepted them. We should also publish a list of the Australian people that did not break the law last year. Roughly 24 million of them. Does anybody think of the meaning of words like "multicultural"? I am all for multi national. I realise that I am one of a very few, BUT I have a small problem with the culture of shooting Police staff, rearing children to hate us, beheading infidels & crucifying the remains, beheading soldiers in uniform at random, banning women from education, stoning women to death etc. These multicultural aborations of humanity are technically protectedby by a number of Laws that specifically protect cultural practices. I wonder how long it will be before one of these convicted scum applies for Legal Aid to sue Australia for anti cultural practice?

kfchugo

8 yrs ago

The great tragedy of these circumstances is certainly the vast majority of Muslims who come here, obey the laws, work and become good citizens. I believe it is a deliberate strategy of the radicals to ensure this continues - that is their best chance of radicalising those moderates. In criticising the radicals and criminals of Islam, we run the risk of tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that is counter productive.

The huge problem for western nations is identifying the terrorists in our midst and weeding them out. It is unavoidable that some ill feeling will be generated within the Muslim community, but I dont see any alternative. We just cant afford to allow these radical and murderous cells to fester and multiply in our society

Twyla

8 yrs ago

KFC,

One would hope that the vast majority of Muslims are not "tarred" with the same brush as the radicals.

Certainly, no thoughtful Australian would do this.

I have not witnessed it at a personal level at all.

The Muslim community and police need to work very closely to eradicate, as you say, murderous cells, in our society. The Muslim community also needs not only to disappprove of these groups, but also do so very, very publicly and loudly.

Sophie

8 yrs ago

Quote KFC: In criticising the radicals and criminals of Islam, we run the risk of tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that is counter productive.

Couldn't agree more...

geomac

8 yrs ago

Same here regarding hugo and his comment. thankfully the manchild is banished and mature discussion has a chance.

Gerry

8 yrs ago

I think you will find the majority of crimes are committed by Australians.

Should we ban them ?

Abby

8 yrs ago

Depends .....

on whom you consider as Australians ?

Gerry

8 yrs ago

Oh I stand corrected. I meant those of us who are born in this country and are not Muslims. There are many, many more murders by these people than by Muslims.

No killing of another is acceptable but the media seem to concentrate on one out of a thousand and keep quiet about the rest.

Surprise surprise !!! With a population of just on 24 million, it is amazing that the almost 400,000 Muslims who live in Australia, don't commit most of the crime. It is of interest that in the areas of Inner West Sydney, where the biggest proportion of them reside, we have had to form a separate Police Force to deal with them. It is a fact that in the areas, Auburn, Granville, Merrylands & Guildford, in Sydney, where the highest density of Muslims live in Australia, they make up less than 15% of the residents & are responsible for more than half the crime. I agree that most Muslims are good people, but why do they constantly have fanatic Jihadists as speakers in the biggest mosques in Auburn & Lakemba. Children of 15 & under are not born terrorists, they are trained.

Abby

8 yrs ago

Agree with what you say kfc

Of interest is that that Neil El-Kadomi chief iman of Parramatta Mosque is expected to issue words in a sermon today like

‘‘We will not tolerate anyone who wants to get us into trouble,’’

‘‘If you don’t like Australia, leave.’’

Perhaps it is high time that the leaders of this religious nationality came forth and recognize Australia as their nation.

kfchugo

8 yrs ago

Gerry old mate, I think you are being a bit disingenuous - society will always concentrate on any perceived threat. Right now, we see Muslim terrorists emerging so they become a focus. Likewise, we see a spike in murders through domestic violence, so that too becomes a focus. We see violence in the community through alcohol abuse , yet again another focus and we look at laws, regulations etc., to limit its sale or curtail trading hours etc to minimise the danger.

We are a country that is governed by rule of law and we are constantly on alert to new or emerging threats and our laws, policies, law enforcement etc must constantly evolve. Media on the other hand have only their own interests at heart and will feed on public sentiment and "beat up" stories to sell newspapers

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