President Obama,
It is nice to see the American flag being raised again, and not burned. Mr Obama has bought a lot of hope, and inteligence back to the white house. The same goes to our Mr, Rudd, I do wish them both all the best, and I do not envy them in this mess that they have inherited.
Congradulations to both world leaders.
Charles2
I can only partially agree with Innes..... we cant punish the family of terrorists, that is unfair and unjust. I do agree that we must take off the "ballet shoes" if we are serious about winning this conflict, but who is going to police the policemen? We cant have our troops/police using vigilante type justice or punishment that is not proportional to crimes committed. That makes us no better than the terrorists we are fighting.
You simply cannot "manage" fanatics ..... they will do or say ANYTHING to achieve freedom just so that they can come back and try to kill you again.They cant be reasoned with, educated or rehabilitated and there will be too many to imprison - terrorist activity needs to attract the death penalty.
What our world most desperately needs is a global police force with laws/powers/discipline/funding/infrastructure etc to DO THE JOB. It cant be the USA, nor can it be the UN (in its present form) While the western world is so fractionated and hamstrung by its local laws/policies/culture etc ........we have no hope of beating religeous fanaticism. Terrorism has come of age ......it is no longer constrained by political borders, lack of funding, poor communications,lack of intelligent and educated leaders or concerted opposition.[b] I have great fears for our future generations.[/b]
As do I. :(
Our problem truly is the enemy within. Those from the left who always want to go softly on crime and terror and put the people who defend themselves when their home is invaded by criminals to rape and rob and then the man defends his family and guess what - he is the one who gets charged - not the criminals :(
It is not just Australia but all western countries have these neo communists - who want everyone to be levelled off to the lowest denominator and many of the Judges - and naturally Lawyers as they are lawyers first - are lefties and go soft on criminals and people say we no longer get justice and we don't. This encourages crime at home in all countries - cities are not safe these days to walk in day light let alone night time.
Victoria has the most Police being attacked here and yet it is a neo communist state with draconian laws - including the one to make white males unable to get a job because they have always led in jobs - get real - without the white man - the world would still be living in caves - if this has actually gone thru and not just vaunted.
Just the business of the pirates in Somalia is one example. The lawyers in the Hague said that no one must do anything or attack them until they send over a boat to ask 'are you pirates' I mean ...........
come on get real. Blow the bastards out of the water and if they capture them - make them walk the plank - that got the pirates of old off the high seas and as we cant use modern methods perhaps the old ways will serve.
Then also we have the lawyers and lefties who are in this global crisis saying cant have protectionism - and why is that? They even had a go at Obama over this.
I tell you it is because all political parties rely on donations for their party funds and the business elite donate a lot and require favours for this money and anyone who denies this is daft.
Democracy is really corrupted by this practice and the people are being dudded.
I think it is the duty of governments to protect the jobs of their own citizens as much as possible. I cannot see how we owe any other country anything other than a helping hand once we have made sure our own citizens are all looked after.
Western Countries have to give monies to the World Bank and IMF to help third world countries develop but on top of that their leaders tend to strut the world stage flinging money about to enhance their own statesmanship. We in Australia has had it up to our ears lately both Howard and Rudd are guilty of that and Hawke of crying like a baby over Tiananmen Sq and then telling 10,000 Chinese students they could stay and of course they did but with their families meant an extra 400,000 added to our population.
We have boats again full of Muslim so called refugees but actually economic migrants and maybe even fundamentalist terrorists for all we know coming to cause havoc - 6 boats this year - so what does our dear seemingly neo communist government tell us - don't worry - we don't get as many illegals as other countries do!!!!
How about the fact that other countries have huge populations and lots of arable land and water whilst we have a huge arid continent with very little arable land for growing our food and shortage of water to the point that one food bowl - Murray/Darling basin - has had farms abandoned for lack of water in order to supply water to the cities which are growing rapidly and taking over the only arable land around the coast of Australia for housing. We soon will not be able to feed ourselves.
[b]Are we stopping this massive intake - no and why - the market needs to expand its consumer base. That is it in a nutshell. who is the market - the businesses who pay their donations to government for favours [/b]
Terrorism is a subject that I have great difficulty coming to terms with, no matter where the terrorists come from or what their beliefs are .
However what we are up against is a group of people who are so convinced they are right that they will die for their cause. This is something like the Christians in the early days. Wars were and still are being fought and innocent people die, because one group didn't agree with another group . We have learned nothing over the centuries, except more lethal means to kill one another.
Where do we stop? Saddaam Hussein's regime was a cruel and vicious one, but is Mugabe any better in Zimbabwe? Should we (the righteous ones) go in there and kill all the bad guys off? Where would it stop?
We espouse free speech and free-thinking, but only if the speech and thinking agree with our basic principles.
I'm not sure that killing is the answer anyway. The more people who get killed, the more justification the living have for revenging their deaths. That premise applies to both sides in any conflict.
The more I read the more confused I get, because no-one seems to have an answer.
Pommy we do not have the Death Penalty - and we should. We do not punish criminals enough and we should.
We do not punish terrorists hard enough and we should - with death and if that makes them a martyr all well and good as they have achieved what they set out to do. Die for Allah the Moon God - not our God.
And Christianity moved on in the enlightenment and are no longer barbarians. All the left ever do is to refer to what Christians did centuries ago - problem with Islam fundamentalist is they are barbarians from the 7th Century and because Mohammed said never can you alter the Book or the Haddith - it has to stay in the 7th Century so they have barbaric customs.
Fighting terror with our hands tied behind our backs whilst they are free to do anything evil they want is just plain stupid.
Again we are in this situation because we are also on a war front at home from political correctness which is stifling free speech and making the host peoples of any western country inferior to incoming hordes from third world countries intent on taking what we have and kicking us out down or 6ft under and they dont care too much which method they use.
Most do not really think - shame as we are under attack in our own countries by Islam.
If you look at how they breed - we don't stand a chance and the UN has said that if we go on taking in these Muslims and other third worlders by 2040 the white man will be a minority in Australia.
Pakistan has doubled its population like Iran in 20 years and its average age is in the teens along with Gaza and just about every other Muslim country.
Here we are paying $5000 for every baby born and Aussies have one wife only - Muslims can have up to 4 if they can afford to pay for them and Centrelink does.
Extract from http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/maralynparker/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_curse_of_being_muslim_australian/
In the 2006 census there were 340,391 Muslims in Australia and the vast majority, about 38 per cent, were born in Australia, followed by Lebanon (9 per cent), Turkey (7 per cent) and Afghanistan (5 per cent). [b]Only 1.7 per cent of the overall Australian population are Muslim, but a staggering 40 per cent of Muslim Australians are under the age of 20, compared to about 27 per cent of the non-Muslim population.[/b]
Scary looks like the UN is right on the button for once.
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Terrorism is a subject that I have great difficulty coming to terms with, no matter where the terrorists come from or what their beliefs are .
However what we are up against is a group of people who are so convinced they are right that they will die for their cause. This is something like the Christians in the early days. Wars were and still are being fought and innocent people die, because one group didn't agree with another group . We have learned nothing over the centuries, except more lethal means to kill one another.
Where do we stop? Saddaam Hussein's regime was a cruel and vicious one, but is Mugabe any better in Zimbabwe? Should we (the righteous ones) go in there and kill all the bad guys off? Where would it stop?
We espouse free speech and free-thinking, but only if the speech and thinking agree with our basic principles.
I'm not sure that killing is the answer anyway. The more people who get killed, the more justification the living have for revenging their deaths. That premise applies to both sides in any conflict.
The more I read the more confused I get, because no-one seems to have an answer.
Nicely balanced post Pommy.
President Obama givesalot of americans hope and intellegence. I wish him the best and look out for the american people.
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I can only partially agree with Innes..... we cant punish the family of terrorists, that is unfair and unjust. I do agree that we must take off the "ballet shoes" if we are serious about winning this conflict, but who is going to police the policemen? We cant have our troops/police using vigilante type justice or punishment that is not proportional to crimes committed. That makes us no better than the terrorists we are fighting.
You simply cannot "manage" fanatics ..... they will do or say ANYTHING to achieve freedom just so that they can come back and try to kill you again.They cant be reasoned with, educated or rehabilitated and there will be too many to imprison - terrorist activity needs to attract the death penalty.
What our world most desperately needs is a global police force with laws/powers/discipline/funding/infrastructure etc to DO THE JOB. It cant be the USA, nor can it be the UN (in its present form) While the western world is so fractionated and hamstrung by its local laws/policies/culture etc ........we have no hope of beating religeous fanaticism. Terrorism has come of age ......it is no longer constrained by political borders, lack of funding, poor communications,lack of intelligent and educated leaders or concerted opposition. I have great fears for our future generations.