Abbott double speak again - Scotland vote
In an interview with the London Times, conducted when he was in London last week, Mr Abbott said: “What the Scots do is a matter for the Scots and not for a moment do I presume to tell Scottish voters which way they should vote.
“But as a friend of Britain, as an observer from afar, it’s hard to see how the world would be helped by an independent Scotland.
“I think that the people who would like to see the break-up of the United Kingdom are not the friends of justice, not the friends of freedom, and that the countries that would cheer at the prospect of the break-up with the United Kingdom are not the countries whose company one would like to keep.”
Fresh blow for Salmond: Now the Pope backs Scottish NO vote after Hillary Clinton, Obama and JK Rowling
Pontiff said 'all division worries me' in shock intervention into debate
Comes after Hillary Clinton said she would 'hate' Britain to 'lose Scotland'
Also intervenes in growing UK rift with EU, claiming Brussels needs Britain
Clinton's remarks come after President Obama backed 'No' campaign
Harry Potter author JK Rowling this week donated £1m to pro-union camp
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It looks as if Abbott is doing something right in seeing that Coalition’s primary vote has jumped back to 40 per cent for the first time since April, regaining lost ground from its unpopular budget in the biggest single rise in support for the Abbott government in its 11 months in power.
Yeah well all the immediate things have gone through on the budget including savings on foreign aid and raising tax on the richer.
The rest are long term measures and they can take their time..
foreign affairs are going great healing the rift with Indonesia over Mad Rudd spying ..
just gotta heal China after mad Clive's attack .
As the incumbent prime minister, Mr Abbott enjoys a 10 point lead over the Opposition Leader as preferred prime minister, 49 per cent to 39 per cent.
Not to worry. Team Australia will rally for the underdog.
6th verse of god save the queen .
A longer version of the anthem reveals its anti-Scottish sentiments, which may well explain why it displeases the New Labour hierachy. The sixth and final verse goes:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!
Not sure that any event would sing more than a few verses of any anthem .
Interesting Geoff, the number of times we sang it as children and had no thought or idea of its origin. Can see why the Scots wouldn't like it.
Did you really sing the sixth verse as a child Viv .
Well let's all hope the bludgers leave the Union .,,
Historic additional verses[edit]
Around 1745, anti-Jacobite sentiment was captured in a verse appended to the song, with a prayer for the success of Field Marshal George Wade's army then assembling at Newcastle. These words attained some short-term use, although they did not appear in the published version in the October 1745 Gentleman's Magazine. This verse was first documented as an occasional addition to the original anthem by Richard Clark in 1822,[39] and was also mentioned in a later article on the song, published by the Gentleman's Magazine in October 1836. Therein, it is presented as an "additional verse... though being of temporary application only... stored in the memory of an old friend... who was born in the very year 1745, and was thus the associate of those who heard it first sung", the lyrics given being:
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,May by thy mighty aid,Victory bring.May he sedition hush,and like a torrent rush,Rebellious Scots to crush,God save The King.The 1836 article and other sources make it clear that this verse was not used soon after 1745, and certainly before the song became accepted as the British national anthem in the 1780s and 1790s.[40][41] It was included as an integral part of the song in the Oxford Book of Eighteenth Century Verse of 1926, although erroneously referencing the "fourth verse" to the Gentleman's Magazine article of 1745.[42]
On the opposing side, Jacobite beliefs were demonstrated in an alternative verse used during the same period:[43]
God bless the prince, I pray,God bless the prince, I pray,Charlie I mean;That Scotland we may seeFreed from vile Presbyt'ry,Both George and his Feckie,Ever so, Amen.In May 1800, following an attempt to assassinate King George III at London's Drury Lane theatre, playwright Richard Sheridan immediately composed an additional verse, which was sung from the stage the same night:[44][45]
From every latent foeFrom the assassins blowGod save The KingO'er him Thine arm extendFor Britain's sake defendOur father, king, and friendGod save The King!Various other attempts were made during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries to add verses to commemorate particular royal or national events. For example, according to Fitzroy Maclean, when Jacobite forces bypassed Wade's force and reached Derby, but then retreated and when their garrison at Carlisle Castle surrendered to a second government army led by King George's son, the Duke of Cumberland, another verse was added.[46] Other short-lived verses were notably anti-French, such as the following, quoted in the book Handel by Edward J. Dent:[47]
From France and PretenderGreat Britain defend her,Foes let them fall;From foreign slavery,Priests and their knavery,And Popish Reverie,God save us all.However, none of these additional verses survived into the twentieth century.[48] Updated "full" versions including additional verses have been published more recently, including the standard three verses, Hickson's fourth verse, Sheridan's verse and the Marshal Wade verse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen
Advance Australia Fair
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in Nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
"Advance Australia fair!"
When gallant Cook from Albion sail'd,
To trace wide oceans o'er,
True British courage bore him on,
Till he landed on our shore.
Then here he raised Old England's flag,
The standard of the brave;
With all her faults we love her still,
"Brittannia rules the wave!"
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
Beneath our radiant southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
While other nations of the globe
Behold us from afar,
We'll rise to high renown and shine
Like our glorious southern star;
From England, Scotia, Erin's Isle,
Who come our lot to share,
Let all combine with heart and hand
To advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
Shou'd foreign foe e'er sight our coast,
Or dare a foot to land,
We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore
To guard our native strand;
Brittannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide ocean's roll,
Her sons in fair Australia's land
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
Sorry if you are not from England, Scotia or Erin and not fair you are not welcomed in Australias National Anthem..
I don't like our national anthem, especially the verses beyond the first. We should change it to something more modern and upbeat that reflects our nation today. Should change the flag too.
Agree Robiconda,
'Advance Australia Fair' would truly have to be one of the blandest songs - both in melody and lyric wise - ever created....
Think Bruce Woodley's (and think perhaps another bloke as well) song 'I am Australian' is much more relevant and inspirational and far better reflects Australia's past and multicultural present.
Yep, would be much better, especially the last verse and chorus.
I'm the hot wind from the desert, I'm the black soil of the plains
I'm the mountains and the valleys, I'm the drought and flooding rains
I am the rock, I am the sky, the rivers when they run
The spirit of this great land, I am Australian
We are one, but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come
We share a dream and sing with one voice:
I am, you are, we are Australian
I am, you are, we are Australian!
We are one ….. We are many ….. We are Australian!
I also dislike the Anthem rather have Matilda --I am sure there is something MUCH better than what we have.
Matilda was a Scottish tune with Banjo composing the words so it could be rewritten again . I like we are one as well . Actually words are not needed at all as the Spanish anthem has no words at all .
I meant to also say I wish Abbott would top coming up with his one liners-
"Team Australia" etc
"Team Australia" is ridiculous, hilarious, stupid and humiliating! I guess this is the sort of idiocy you get when the 'adults???' are in charge.
One liners are for sheep to follow
I can remeber that famous one back in 72
"It's Time"
Abby
Yeah but with McMahon it was not only the time but way past time . Whitlam took us into the twentieth century.
Also not too fussed on some 'oneliners' or 'slogans'...but in relation to the 'It's Time' campaign of 1972 think it worked well, and after 23 years of conservative government think the Labor Party read the mood of the times correctly.
Re: 'Team Australia' - Am quietly left wondering what would be in the mind of the someone who comes up with such a slogan ...which to my mind at least, sort of hints at assimilation, a sort of 'if you're not with us you're agin us' mentality.
But on the other hand he might be buying into the corporate speak of big business, who I believe in recent times, have taken to things like 'Mission Statements' etc.
Strangely the slogan 'Team Australia' seems to be triggering flashbacks of things like highschool swimming carnivals or something along those lines...
Whitlam took us into bankruptcy
Fraser blocked supply . You must have been elsewhere at the time as its common knowledge in Australia .
Australian would be a laughing stock if Waltzing Matilda was the national anthem.
imagine playing that at State functions .
And another comment from a Scot:
18 August 2014 10:04pm
Recommend2Tony Abbott is a redneck pugilist and he was voted for. Australians therefore deserve what they democratically elected. Internationally, however, Abbott is a laughable moron just as the wonderful cartoon depicts him. Mr Salmon, the leader of the Scottish Nationalists, rightly put Abbott in his place and reminded him that what happens in Scotland is no business of his, and that his remarks are completely out of place. Abbott is Australia's George Bush but with lower IQ, and I hate to think what it's like to be governed by him and his kicksters.
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