Is God a Theory
Is God just another Theory .
There are many theories of how the universe we inhabit began .
One is that a Superior being created it as is ...
Another is that a Big Bang occurred and with inflation created the universe . The problem with this theory is that it offers no explanation ,within the rules of Physics that our universe follows , as to what existed before the Big Bang .
The answer given I find unsatisfactory , is that time/space began with the Big Bang . I find this no different than the God theory ...
I think Quantum mechanics has far more answers ....
Why don't you investigate for yourself .....
Or maybe Micha your mate , who says he has a doctorate in the meaning of everything could give you an answer .....
You made the statement Pete so I don't understand why you won't back it up. This is your thread so enlighten us if you are able.
Sure I could express an opinion , as I am sure Seth could in opposing me . Or SD saying who gives a shit . But the benefit of this site is to make us oldies think and express an opinion .
Try .. You might live longer ...
I am simply asking you to elaborate on the statement you made Pete, that Quantum mechanics has far more answers. Why won't you do it?
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Pete, re your quote: "I think Quantum mechanics has far more answers ...."
What are those answers?
In a nutshell, he does NOT know, just another random bullsh*** remark from him. Quantum Mechanics (which I have been studying for years) has no answers. It's a theory, but he doesn't know that.
Pete,
I was a Qantas Mechanic many years ago, maybe I could be of some help.
Life itself is not a theory but to those living same they need a theory to make some sense of it all.
Like understanding the flying kangaroo.
Thus the theory of the Qantas Mechanics.
Take it easy.
SD
Aahhh so ...I remember it well ....
Seems pretty wet over there SD
The whole point of the tread is that all our approaches to our existence are theories including God .All these theories are complex including religion ...
we all arrive at our own conclusions after either acceptance of what we were taught as children or after our own enquiries .
I am into Multiverses and multidimensions ... Which are one theory...The world of the infinite small meets the world of the infinite large .
Robi there is absolutly no gain in attacking my opinion . You can propose your own .Which we could discusss ...
I DID NOT attack your opinion Pete. I merely asked you to explain it - to elaborate on what you know of Quantum theory and make your case as to why you think it has the answers. My question was genuine. I saw the Stephen Hawking film today and my interest was sparked when you put the thread up but all I got from you in response to my question was detracting B***S***. Do you want people to simply state what theory they incline towards or believe, as you have done, or do you want intelligent elaboration? Why can we discuss my theory if I propose it (as you said immediately above) yet you won't discuss the theory you have proposed?
Gee I would love to discuss your theory ? You have mine in regard to Multiverses and multidimensions . And beyond the string theory into the M theory .
Whats yours ?
All you have done is toss a few words around. You seem unwilling to explain them and why they impress you.
I don't have a theory, I keep my mind open, but I feel sure there is far more to the miracle of all of existence than our piddly little brains can figure out.
Well we differ .. If you have an open mind what does it think ? If you would like to know more about Branes ,Multiverses multi dimensions m theory . Then study it like I do ..
i can't teach you everythng I believe they are my opinions , if you have your own I would be happy to discusss ...
But you are not happy to discuss your own opinions and why you have them. Enough said!
Well currently I go with the latest theory for creation of our Universe in the collision of two Branes . ( you can look up Branes on google) . Which created a Big Bang and through virtual instant inflation created the billions of Galaxies in our universe .
This also leads to the theory of there being an infinite number of universes , where anything that can happen will .
Pete this is fast becoming a farce, collision of two 'branes' wonderful, created the Universe INSTANTLY? what is the size of our own universe,Is there an end to our universe? so before the big bang, matter existed? even accepting this far out theory created planets etc, It does not explain the çreation' of all forms of life,
Seth this was an excellent programme that explained , several theories including Multiverses and multidimensions . SBS has a catch up service that may include this programme well worth the effort ...
$eth
RE: It does not explain the çreation' of all forms of life,
I create different forms of flowers in the plant world - they are quite unique in that they are the only ones like it in the world.
and I am just a GD :)
My Dear GD.. You do not create you alter/play around intermix what is already created, a flower. My question was regarding the existance of life forms.
There are several theories on life forming . I would guess the prodominent one as far as the earth is concerned is that the earth was lifeless for the majority of its existence . But over billions of years Amninio Acids formed a chain into RNA .
No my dear $eth
I have sex with the plants and create new life forms
I would have thought
you would have put an 'O" in the GD :)
Pete, lifeless? amino acids, how did they originate am I wrong in suggesting that any matter irrespective of what type of form , is the remains or residue of what was once a life form.
Pete,
Many scientists believe in multi-galaxies, multi-universes ... this is not a theory which engages me particuarly. These theories are certainly not out of the question.
However, I find the idea of parallel universes, in which the "same" individuals live in all, but having different lives/choices, etc. doesn't really hold up. With different lives, different choices have been made ...
For example a person's children would be different in other universes ... not only in number, but in all ways, dependent upon the other parent chosen. Thus, the existence of our "same" children in other universes ... etc.,?! Those believing in parallel universes would say that they would say these children also exist, but again ...
Decisions made bring changes, forks in the road, which would preclude parallel existences.
I believe that the idea of multi dimensions is quite feasible.
Twila isn't this thinking verging on science fiction? imagine anything you want to and say ít could be" Our planet is in a galaxy one of possibly an unestimatable thousands in the universe, the universe being so vast that possibly there is no end. Something the tiny minds of men cannot comprehend. To accept such as parallel uniiverses is really stretching the limit, it makes belief in a creator more feasible even if it cannot be accepted by those who have this fantasy of parallel worlds, Just thinking about it opens up the thought 'Why"
True, opinions are what we are left with, just to accept and believe what you wish, one can deny what is plain to see, and delve into the unknown and unproveable theories that abound.
Absolutely , one can deny what is plain to see . And delve into unknown and unprovable theories ..
But either we go with theories that are replaced with new theories based on the shoulders of mans knowlege . Or we remain with faith and superstition ...
They still remain theories, no matter what theories they replace, or who thought of them, being theories with no definite answers, yet can with ignorance and closed minds, dismiss faith and belief in a supreme being. IMO I just think that it makes more sense to accept the fact that without faith you cannot go past the self indulgent thinking that we are here by accident? We happen to be top of the food chain by accident ? possibly the only form of life that even considers our appearance on a ball of matter floating around in space.
Your opinion not mine ...
That is only what anyone has, their own opinion, which can also blind and deaden their minds to other outcomes, which they refuse to even think of.
Agree ....
Any belief that would frighten the mind of a child is rather suspect in my opinion.
Fear is a poor foundation for life and living.
SD
Yes and yet most on here are Cathoilics or ex ...
SD. Where and how would any part of the faith of Christianity, could or would frighten a child? I suspect that you really mean that some so called 'teacher' maybe a priest, has put his own thinking and/or interpretation on the content to make out the terrible punishment awaitng a so called sinner,
Christianity is not about punishment it is about forgiveness, which probably I needed to accept, more than most. No one has to accept and the last I heard you are not hamstrung for not,
There is a saying....What you believe, is what you will receive.
Pete,
I must have been born a cynic when it comes to the ways of religion.
I was quite young when I realised I wanted no part of organised religion if this was the way its officers and adherents behaved.
This has not changed over the years.
Belief only requires one, the more involved, the more corrupt it becomes. Once a heirarchy exists true belief is lost totally. Belief then becomes a self serving creature.
Take it easy.
SD
Agree .....
SD you are thinking too much now.
True belief is personal, it is what is inside you, I agree once there is a hierarchy it can become contaminated by someone seeking power rather than service, Once again Christianity is a living faith, it is how you live, not out of fear or being told by some self important egotist, but how you want to.
Seth,
Sadly I have found more honesty and integrity amongst those who have no obvious religion and have possibly never seen the inside of a church.
Personally I do not think Christ had any intention to start Christianity as it became, rather it was a construct of Paul who was never a disciple and never met Christ. Christianity is a man made thing as are most religions from my reading.
To me there is an inherent goodness in most people and the less it is tampered with by organised religions, no matter what the stripe, the better off we will all be.
Enough from me. Too early in the day. I need coffee right now, not religion.
SD
IMO both are just theories and thats why I am an Agnostic I have NO time for organised religions at all, that doesn't mean I do not wonder about supreme being -- but religions are are a rort
I wonder how many pensioners are studying "quantum mechanics" these days? I know that I just cant read enough on theoretical physics :)
Its a shame we dont get frequent flyer points for ego trips - there are a few on here who would travel for free for the rest of their lives.
quote kfc "Its a shame we dont get frequent flyer points for ego trips - there are a few on here who would travel for free for the rest of their lives"
haha , well definately one.
There are other forums available to discuss science topics at length. The reason why I do not bring these subjects up on YLC is because I know the interest is not here. However, one has to have a certain degree of knowledge to discuss them sensibly. I believe that anyone who puts up an in depth topic must know their onions and be prepared to answer in depth questions, not just throw about terms and have no idea what they mean.
As for the poster who asks "how many pensioners are studying quantum mechanics?" Well, I'm not a pensioner, am I let off???
Besides, most pensioners are highly intelligent people, circumstances force them on the pension. I know a few and I also know not only are they still studying, they are passing on their knowledge to the younger generation. Just because someone is a pensioner, should they stop pursuing their interests??
Agree
I don't understand, Albert!!
I don’t like the family Stein,
There is Gert, there is Ep, there is Ein:
Gert’s poems are bunk,
Ep’s statues are junk,
And nobody understands Ein.
Micha,
As an expert, perhaps you could explain the theories embedded in Quantum Mechanics, in such a way as a six year old could understand.
Perhaps you would like to share the science websites you mention.
Certainly, many here would be very interested in these.
As for an anthropomorphic god, I don't agree with such. Some believe god is nature with a capital N. Perhaps the prime mover, however called, will one day be scientifically identified.
I find Quantum Consciousness a very interesting concept, a concept developed by Sir Roger Penrose, who is regarded on a par with Stephen Hawking.
Pete,
One of the linch-pins of Penrose's theory of Quantum Consciousness has just been proven by other scientists.
I think that this is quite exciting.
Seth,
I suspect our Albert did not phrase it quite like that.
Something more along the lines of explaining something as simple as possible but not too simple.
The quotation in a variety of forms has been attributed to a number of people.
Albert will do, who really cares.
Had my coffee, the world is now a rosier place.
SD
SD the cleaning lady has just left, the house is in full glow, will join join you in a coffee to relax after watching all that hard work. I feel tired.
I would love to join you but my cleaning lady , a young Swedish girl , who works best scantily dressed , is still here . I have to watch her all the time as you know you can't trust these continentals .
Pete your starting to worry me, all that imagery of galaxies being blown up has affected your imagination, she is not Swedish and scantily dressed!!! But is actually a vegetable...a swede and peeled...
Seth/Pete
I am the cleaner and baitlayer today. The NSB is attending her art or painting group.
I have offered my bod as a live study but the NSB reckons she has seen it all before and the other members of her group have declined the offer for some unknown reason so I remain at home on domestic duties.
SD
How clever of the NSB to take up art, be thankful if she is into painting!!! Will come in handy when walls need decorating.
I like to dabble in a bit of paint too ... a wonderful past time :)
Do you roll in it Abby.?
Just sitting in the lounge when little thoughts started popping in about evolution and creation, how each one can cause arguments with the other, I don't claim to be a super brain but what if both were part of the other, any opinions on how or why? Did creation take place first, followed by evolution?
Of course ...
In that case where did life come from that inhabits created forms?
I think we have discussed this many times Seth .
But what do you call life ?
Surely you jest Pete?
Why would I bother to jest ?
Do you consider life to need Conciouseness or self awareness ?
Pete, re your quote: "I think Quantum mechanics has far more answers ...."
What are those answers?