Australia's culture has changed forever
In an Australian city suburb a violent mob of 80 men threaten paramedics, men and women, preventing them from treating a 25yr old man who then dies.
Twenty police and riot squad had to rescue the ambos who had been forced to barricade themselves in for safety.
Number of arrests? If none, why not?
Unfortunately this has been happenong for decades, I had a mate who was loading a patient into an ambulance and her partner was punching her while she was strapped into the stretcher, his partner tried to shield her and got a couple of punches in the head for her trouble. All participants were good old Ausies, this was 15 years ago.
I am at a loss to understand what bearing an anecdotal story of an incident of domestic violence years ago by 'good old Ausies'(!) has on this mob violence directed at emergency personnel and where 20 police were needed. However, was the alleged offender reported to police and what charges were laid?
No because then, and it seems in some cases even now, some people seem to put domestic violence down as a somehow lesser form of violence.
ex PS, I too anm at a loss to understand what you mean by "good old Ausies" ??
Are you being srcastic? Were they badly behaved young people from the UK?
I'm glad these were not Sudanese or Aboriginals or we'd never hear the last of it.
Why are you playing the race card?
Do you have anything to contribute of relevance to enforcement of laws, ie., to ensure that the ambos and citizens are safe? Why no charges laid, particularly where a death has occurred through offenders preventing the ambos from doing their job? Do you disagree with PlanB? Why? What action do you suggest?
"Do you disagree with PlanB? "
In a nutshell - YUP
makes one wonder if these violent game they play has anything to do with it -- as well as darn drugs--
PlanB - Correct me if I'm wrong. Was this the man who was having a heart attack when ambos. were called in to help?. He died at the scene and suddenly about 80 men turned up and were all screaming to the ambos. because he died. I think they were Muslims, I'm not being racist, but they all go beserk when someone dies. I was at Westmead Hospital about 6a.m. one morning when a young man was brought in, next minute the friends got on their phones and at least 100 people turned up at the hospital all yelling and screaming, because he died. Police had to be called in and the Emergency Department had to be closed down because a riot nearly started. Women were screaming and fainting on the floor. They don't seem to be able to handle tragedy.
They're professional mourners. It's a tradition.
What happened is a police matter which should be resolved in the court. Why police are reluctant to lay charges is beyond comprehension. One would have thought that police do not have the discretion to not properly investigate and lay charges where violence or even abuse of Ambos is concerned.
Now the Ambulance services will be up for personal cameras just like police. But will the footage result in charges against offenders? Maybe not if past experience is any guide. It is noticeable that the responsible Police Ministers, the dead hand behind the policy (of looking but not acting) are not being held accountable.
Police are reluctant to lay charges because there is more to that story. Having a knee jerk reaction helps no one.
i wasnt aware we had ;professional weeping mourners here MICHA, if they must weep and wail, the hospital doesnt need them there, creating havok, they have enough to contend with without a crowd of weeping and wailing relatives holding them up ,
Micha,
Threatening Ambos and preventing them from treating the patient who then went on to die at the scene doesn't sound like the ritual of professional mourners. Do those 'mourners' of yours usually front up and behave violently and are they always men - eighty in the subject case (see the OP).
Paramedics and ambulance officers are known to have the highest injury rates of any profession in Australia . The Riverwood area seems to be fast becoming a No Go area. Paramedics are not expected as far as I am aware to risk their own lives in the course of duty. I believe they are trained not to.
I feel sure the paramedics know the area and possibly its reputation. Now it is not very clear when they arrived on the scene whether the situation was already volatile. Surely they are trained to judge these things. My feeling is, if there was any doubt, they should not have attempted treatment until they had backup from the police. It makes no sense to me for our paramedics to get themselves killed to save someone high on drugs.
Nothing seems to be clearcut about the reporting of this case. That is why arrests have not been made. To start arresting people without all the facts can result in an even worse situation. What is important is our paramedics must be looked after, even if that means a few druggies die in the process.
Very serious situation and you are right Micha, paramedics need help. Many are turning to the use of narcotics and many are taking their lives.
Sorry HOLA I did not see your question about the man having a heart attack -- and I must say Ido not know but still so wrong that they gave the Ambos such a rough time of it
There are reports of Brisbane suburbs also Qld country towns where ambos fear to go and a police presence is necessary. Seems to be common in other States and Territories too.
Yet Brisbane was such a casual, welcoming big country town up until relatively recently.
What is different now?
It is despicable LJ, the way the places and people are changing -- must be something to do with the violent things they play/watch and also the darn drug they take -- people just don't seem to have any empathy /manners now and it is so very different -- maybe they aren't being parented right as well -- maybe they live what they learn --
Was this in Victoria?
The OP referred to the 80 male thugs at Riverwood in Sydney. However it could be anyhere and from its record, especially Melbourne. Cannot link to the story so you will have to Google, sorry. Plenty of reports eg news.com.au over past couple of days.
How do you know they were "thugs"? Do you believe everything you read?
Well you do expect and it is reasonable to do so, that news reports have a basis in fact. I am happy to withdraw the term and of course any other implication and do so. We will have to see what comes of the police investigation.
Paramedics union apologises for blaming family for man’s death
“APA (NSW) acknowledges that any statement in the previous media release to the effect that Mr Ibrahim’s family members either contributed or were in any way responsible for his death is wholly incorrect and should not have been published,” the statement reads.
“Likewise, APA (NSW) further acknowledges that at no time did Mr Ibrahim’s family members obstruct or threaten paramedics while they were administering medical assistance to Mr Ibrahim.”
Am presuming this story refers to the incident referred to in the original post.
The Police also issued a statement saying contrary to reports that 150 officers attended the scene..there were only 18..
I hope all the alarmists on this page read that and thank you Micha for painting a true picture...
Hi RnR
Makes no sense that so many police personell had to cpnverge on the scene if there wasnt a serious incident
Something still amiss IMO
In Victoria, there is an increase in attacks on paramedics.....though not similar circumstances of large groups. They would be seen as a soft target by certain dunderheads.
I just ponder, are attacks on paramedics a diversion in order to ransack Ambulance supplies, any one heard of this happening?
The opposite seems to be the case in Victoria -
The Victorian anti-corruption watchdog is warning corruption and illicit drug use is "likely" to be widespread among the state's ambulance service, after an investigation found paramedics were stealing, trafficking and using illicit drugs.
The Independent Broad-based Anti-Corruption Commission (IBAC) conducted a two-year investigation in the Barwon South West region, on Victoria's Surf Coast, called Operation Tone.
A report tabled to the Victorian Parliament revealed two paramedics were involved in trafficking illicit drugs, while several paramedics were found using and distributing illegal or restricted medical drugs.
It added some paramedics were using supplies, such as intravenous bags to treat hangovers.
The report also found several line managers were aware of the illegal activity, but were not directly involved.
ABC
Heard about this from the medical students Reagan, but didn't know it was so widespread. Wow using intravenous bags to treat hangovers!
Well LJ??? hmmmm
Perhaps some of the paramedics were using illicit drugs to calm their nerves, in anticipation of the possible coming violence against them.
Feel sorry for all emergency responders when they are treated badly by a few individual members of the community. Not sure what happened in the incident described here, like Micha intimated above, news reports varied markedly after the event.
However, being abused is such a downer whomever it comes from when you are merely trying to exist or in their case, doing your job.
Have had to have ambos more than I would like due to family health issues over the last few years ... they're always calm, caring, pleasant and reassuring in my experience, and have gone beyond the call of duty on a few occasions as well for me and mine ... including leaving interim emergency food/water supplies for the granddog.
Love 'em.
The question still remains.
As LJ posited: "Number of arrests? If none, why not?"
Political correctness - thats why.
Cant have these folk arrested if even one is a non-white.
Today bureacrats bend over not to make waves for media to jump on, in glee.
And punish majority who are just about still the white race.
No matter that we were already a happy mixed bunch since day one. Even the aboriginals til they got taken up as a big stick to hit Whiteywith by the pc mob who rule too much of our way of life today.
Words so small yet they have been used as big sticks to punish us and change things.
Like banishing the very foundation of our Justice System they kept us safe. Death Penalty.
Cant have the State "murdering people"
Then cant"hit" your child. Smack is what we did on the leg or bottom.
Outcome is today........
Warrior - death penalty and smacking kids ?
Wow - u have some strange views catwoman
Perhaps the paramedics should refuse to help those who attacked them.
The ambulance and other services, examples being fire and Council workers, have onerous responsibilities for duty of care and workplace health & safety where their workers are concerned.
Insurers will be on the front foot to demand measures to protect those workers. At minimum, that will include detailled response protocols that inevitably limit the discretion of the first responders on the ground and push decisions up the line and even to the relectant minister behind. That means more of the scarce resources being tied up in bureaucratic procedures and delays that affect everyone and not just the patients in 'difficult' areas.
I saw this on the news and it is an utter disgrace that the Paramedics are treated this way and also stopped from delivering help to those that need it -- these mongrels should be had up for manslaughter