Pharmacists puh generics on you do you know why?

Today read this on line - well there you go true after all.
That the pharmacists are ripping us all off as taxpayers as well as patients. Greed and profit come before the well being of the public these days - can we trust anyone? Not if money is involved.

[quote]Time to put pharmacists under the microscope

THURSDAY, 8 JANUARY 2009
Dr David Monash, a rural GP in Victoria, writes:
In the heart of Sydney, six men in suits meet. Three of the men are from Big Pharma and three are from a large pharmaceutical chain in Australia. The subject of their discussions is the price for which the company will sell their generic medication to the chain.
As the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme price paid to the pharmacies is set by the Government, every cent they can obtain the drug for below this price is money in the pockets of the pharmacists. They find it easier to negotiate a "good" price with more pharmacies in their group. This advantage has led to the rapid spread of pharmacy chains across Australia.
But why does this matter? Doctors determine the medications we receive don’t they? That’s where all the attention is focused, with clear codes of conduct, etc. This is true: the doctors choose the medication but they do not choose the BRAND of medication. Even if a doctor writes a prescription for a generic the pharmacist determines which brand the patient receives unless the patient insists on receiving the brand the doctor prescribed.
The pharmacist has another bargaining chip to play in their negotiation over price -- the promise to limit the pharmacies in the chain from dispensing other brands, including generics, over a set period. They have found in the past that the line "I don’t have that brand but can get it in for you in three days" works well to direct most patients to the brand of generic they wish to sell.
There is no media or any other scrutiny and no code of conduct for such negotiations. Such is the power of the Pharmacy Guild, most people aren’t even aware this process occurs.
In another part of Sydney, 120 doctors are ushered into a ballroom where a $100 per head dinner takes place. The guest speaker has been chosen and briefed by the host -- Big Pharma -- but is an expert in his/her field and answers questions from a knowledgeable audience.
Such events occur all over the country. In some regions the only contact the local doctors have with such specialists is via this method. The doctors all leave, having received entertainment valued at less than 0.0005% of their gross income: hardly sufficient to influence their prescribing pattern. The media cover the event and it is reported and scrutinised carefully by the watch dog established to enforce the code that covers such events. Total cost: less than $150,000.
There are 4200 pharmacists in Australia, with over 167 million prescriptions issued on the PBS in 2006-2007. One dollar saved on each script via discounted generics puts close to $40,000 in each of their pockets per year.
Does this arrangement receive scrutiny? Why should the pharmacist choose the specific generic the patient receives? Why does the Federal Government via the national prescribing service (NPS) advertise for people to choose generic medicines when all the financial benefit for doing so flows into the pocket of the pharmacists and not the people?
Does the supply of generic medication, a different size and shaped tablet, each month, cause patient confusion and medication error? With the impending negotiations in relation to the next pharmacy agreement, perhaps this situation can and should be corrected.[/quote]

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I have had this said to me before by a chemist in a chain I do not use since their "same drug" didn't work for me and being an anti biotic made by AlphaPharm I later found out that it was a generic - first experience of being lied to.
Since then other chemists all try it on and only recently had to go back with a generic to be changed over as it didn't work at all - painkiller which if I can have afforded to keep it and get it tested probably they plain saved on adding the codeine.

Really money is the root of all evil. Never as true as saying as in the 21st Century. Greed and profit and King.

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hi bigval, well no, i wasn't aware that chemists were doing that to us and probably everyone else too. i was aware that chemists are allowed to charge what they like for medicines. i was in a local geelong chemist and was buying 'actonel' .they told me they had none because it was as scarse as hens' teeth but would get it in for me if i paid in advance.i asked the price for a pensioner and they said $ 40. also the panadol osteo was selling for $ 8. i told them i'd try another chemist first.i went to chemist warehouse here in geelong where i was told they had loads of it on the shelf and for a pensioner it was $5. and the panadol osteo was $3.50.so i am careful to ask the prices before i order from any chemists now but thank you soo much for enlightening us all as we are being ripped off enough as it is at the checkouts. the next week at the first chemists the actonel was $5 now.regards ...suanne

Suanne - I buy from E Pharmacy on line which is of course the on line version of Chemist Warehouse and the cheapest of the lot online too - used to buy from Pharmacy Direct in NSW but their prices are higher.

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I get all my 'natural' as in not on script but made from natural products and in Oz meds from them and get my scripts locally as it is a bit of a pain to have to snail mail up the Qld to get those filled with natural meds - I buy over $150 every 3 or so months which means no postage and save heaps lie I use a lot of Herron's - Cranberry cheapest in town chemists was Price line at $13.95 and E Pharmacy is $9.99 - same with hair Skin and Nails and then fish Oils 400 caps various companies on special around $12.99 E Pharmacy and in the shops can be $25 $35 and even $42 in Woolworth. Unreal.

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Although you have to pay the levy it is advisable not to take on the generics at all as far too many folk and even now Doctors say do not work as well and lets face it never tested as they are not the exact same formula at all so when someone tells you "Yes they are the same just a different manufacturer - they lie or are ignorant of the facts. Told but never question it and it is easy to look it up on the net today - you can google anything and find al sorts of write ups.

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Generics only have to have to main active ingredient and no specification that it be of the same grade as the original drug and the rest can be any old thing they like to add as fillers.

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I am pretty annoyed as lately have had 3 things all generics not work at all or not as well so I do question why we are being made to pay extra for the real drugs or only $5 which is a lot anyway for a knock off that may or may not work and if it doesn't - you go back and see the Doc and get another script which then actually knocks out any saving the PBS made by using a only slightly cheaper drug. Pure Common sense but have you not noticed that is lacking today. :(

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I also question why we have to have pay for drugs when Britain can let its pensioners have all of theirs free and they have far bigger population than we do so although we are being told we area wealthy country - one has to ask why then we have to pay even $5 - could be free to us in our latter years. After all those on the Age Pension are means tested so down below the poverty level.

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The excuse that we are getting older applies equally to them as to us. Also Peter Costello said the it will not hit the fan until 2040 and in the meantime the government should maybe look at decreasing our intake of refugees if we cannot afford to pay for our own citizens to live out their golden years in anything other than poverty and worry about how to pay for medicines as well as food.

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I get annoyed hearing the girls in our local chemist shops and I have been into all of them checking prices or having to shop for original drug as not keeping the real stuff - saying to older people in particular - do you want the cheaper medicine - when the doctors has written out a prescription for the original drug and they ask is it the same and are told YES.

Have to admit we ask for "generic" in every Prescription we have filled.

We have no problem with generics and grateful they are available for us to choose....Our Doctors say "go for them" and we do :) saves quite a bit and as good in our opinion. To each his/her own - choice is a wonderful thing......

Phyl.

You just dont know what the fillers are with the meds. I had one generic which made me sick. Another one was fine.

It iis a matter of trial and error when you use a lot of meds.Generally I stick to the brands that have been keeping me going for years.

My poor old body reacts to change , so i avoid it when possible.

Quite another subject.

But is 'nt this senior site fantastic. the exchange of views are very interesting to read.

Hope everyone is healthy after the Dizzy season. I am immersed in the Wet,Steamy season. Looking forward to winter alreadh



Regards Charlee.

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