Plastic waste in pacific ocean

In the north pacific ocean, an area the size of Queensland is packed with more than 78,000 tonnes of plastic.

Can we try to reduce our use of plastic?

Map of ocean gyres

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-03-23/great-pacific-garbage-patch-much-bigger-than-thought-study/9571234

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I think we have really *&^%*&*  the planet I really do -- and really is there ever going to be a way of stopping the use of this darn plastic as it is used on and in everything!?

I was watching a film from the U.S., Pennsylvania I think, with all the lovely snow  around. The lady in the film said a few months earlier a plane was spraying something on the ground, she didn't know what it was. Anyway when the snow was falling all around, people made snowballs and lit them with a cigarette lighter and the balls didn't melt but turned black. She demonstrated on film how she collected a snow ball and attempted to light it. It started to go black and she said it smelt of PLASTIC. It makes you wonder what the planes were actually spraying, and for what reason. She was warning people not to taste the snow. 

 

Fake News Hola - probably put out by some left wing greenie nutter outfit

lots of that sort of crap on the internet 

The black scorch marks are from the lighter not the show 

I would not be at all surprised HOLA there is talk of many things being sprayed from planes

Raphael a lighter would NOT leave BLACK marks on the snow

Have to agree that the 'burning snowballs' videos have been debunked as false by many e.g. here and here.

"In fact, what the creators of these snow-melting videos are experiencing is a perfectly normal result when snow is heated by portable lighters due to the porous nature of snow absorbing the water as it melts and the lighters leaving a deposit of soot on the snow due to incomplete combustion."

On the other hand, the enormous amount of plastic waste in our oceans and waterways I find both horrifying and disgusting.

1.8 trillion pieces of plastic weighing 80,000 metric tons are currently afloat in an area known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch - and it is rapidly getting worse. GPGP, defined as the area with more than 10 kg of plastic per km2, measures 1.6 million square kilometres, three times the size of continental France. 92% of the mass is represented by larger objects; while only 8% of the mass is contained in microplastics, defined as pieces smaller than 5 mm in size. Source.

If being concerned by plastic waste is being 'some left wing greenie nutter' then count me in as being 'greener than green' and and as Bob Hawke said of Malcolm Fraser upon his death, I have "moved so far to the left to be almost out of sight" on this issue.

I hate plastic waste and our pollution of the planet.

Email today ... thin edge of the wedge ... let's hope it gains momentum and spreads to a wide range of their products.

MAR 23, 2018 — Thank you for contacting Woolworths to provide your feedback on plastic packaging. We are committed to reducing our use of plastic packaging and we are working hard to address products in our range that are over-packaged.

We have trials underway to remove or reduce plastic packaging on 28 fresh produce lines such as tomatoes, lettuce and sweet potatoes. Over the last few months we have removed plastic packaging from organic spring onions, celery, kale and english spinach lines removing 25.2 tonnes of plastic packaging in our stores. Some packaging will continue to be used to preserve the life of a product throughout the supply chain and to extend the shelf-life of products in store and in the home. This is an important factor in cutting down food waste.

To help support our customers in recycling packaging, all our stores will also be offering flexible plastic recycling by June 30, 2018 via the RedCycle program. This is a closed loop recycling solution where customers can return soft plastic packaging which are recycled by our recycling partners.

 

I agree 100% RnR,  we should be ashamed at the way we have and also continue to wreck this magnificent planet -- and if being a tree-hugging greenie is loving and caring for the planet then count me IN!

I already return the soft plastic to the Coles and Woolies but there is just so much used in every field -- medical is one that uses so so much -- I honestly can never see a way out of this plastic horror.

Why do the Government make it illegal to have these throw away coffee mugs etc -- there are so many things that there is NO need for

Woollies are supposed to have been recycling soft plastic as are Coles -- but apparently, they have been dumping it in the landfill and lying about it, according to that program on the ABC where this bloke put a tracker in the soft plastic waste and tracked it.

A Laysan albatross chick among plastic marine debris on the beach in the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands.

Photograph: NOAA.

The Laysan albatross (Phoebastria immutabilis) is a large seabird that ranges across the North Pacific. The Northwestern Hawaiian Islands are home to 99.7% of the population.

Those poor animals should not have to live among the filthy humans

Makes one wonder if these cruise ships still through stuff overboard -- they sure used to

PlanB, why pick on cruise ships, what about all the merchant ships, warships, fishing boats and privately owned pleasure craft plying the worlds oceans. I can assure you nowadays cruise ships do not throw anything overboard and are quite vigilant in policing passengers in disposing of rubish, including cigarette butts. They even have their own sewage treatment plant on board so they do not even discard their effluent at sea.

i suppose we are all guilty in some ways of causing pollution,     not only plastic,   but everything we do,   involes something that is no good,     we use copious amounts of sprays,  they polute the air,   sprays for the loo,  cleaning benches,   the furniture,   everything comes in sprays,    they are a convinient way of buying and using products,       i have tried to cut them out of my shopping,  as much as possible,     but some things like fly spray,    we need,     couldnt go back to old days of the awful fly papers,  that used to hang from the ceiling,    what horrible things they were,  

 

 

I agree Cats I also use the fly spay and sometimes the one to stop the Mozzies -- I have stopped using round up as I am sure that does a lot of damage to critters -- I have so many Orb weaver spiders around myyard -- must have about 3 dozen -- and often walk into the webs -- I do knock the webs down IF they continue in bad areas but never kill the spiders -- and they are very clever as once I knock the web down about 3 times they actualy move it -- they are facinating critters and never agresive at all.  Quite amazing to watch them spin their webs too.

 

 

 

 

I was awake in the middle of the night  (last night) flicked on the TV and saw a programme on this plastic waste in the Ocean!  I could not believe the amount of waste - I was appalled - I had no idea there was sooooo much?  

 How on earth does it all get there??  Into the Ocean??

Which got me thinking also - all the earthquakes - tsunami's etc. where cars - trees - houses - everything!!!  Gets washed into the ocean - ??????

  I remember after the Japanese tsunami - it took months - months - and a lot of the debris was eventually washed up along the coast of California!!!   California!!  Houses bobbing in the ocean - cars - wreckage that was unbelievable!

Who would have thought??? 

So many people just chuck things on the ground when they are finished with them -- have NO respect at all so that all goes into the water drains -- then into the oceans -- and also gets blown into the sea as well as so many leave rubbish on the beaches -- and so many shops use those awful take away things that never break down -- it should be stopped.

They still sell those toilet wipes -- that clog the sewers too and NOTHING is being done to stop them being sold -- and they NEVER break down -- and it says on the packet -- flushable -- THEY ARE NOT

Plan B

I've read that the plastics that do break down are more dangerous to sea life which ingest them.

....they just make the area LOOK CLEANER

Yes Suze thats right and also those shopping bags they SELL you that are reusable are supposed to even worse than the plastic bags once they fall apart AND a lot of damage is done by fishing stuff -- and the little bits of plastic on bottles like tops etc as they are so small and the ring tops are cruel as the critters get their head etc stuck and when they have grown it kills them

Although you would think ??? that f bags were made of say rice or such they would be OK ????

Yes Plan B

Rice bags would make a lot more sense

Bottled water risks - Dr. Axe

A recent German-led study found that a single bottle of bottle water contained nearly 25,000 chemicals.

Darn right it does Suze -- but I think some people think its   " cool" to drink it -- but look what   'EVIAN'   spelt backways means  -- NAIVE---  it works out dearer than darn petrol --  I have a filter on my tap -- but the best one is an Osmosis filter that gets rid of all chemicals

Milk is now also in pastic bottles ... I would see the same effect of leaching chemicals.

Thing is with milk it is brought home and put in the fridge -- so would not leak those chemicals as much but there is talk of going back to Glass for milk which would be good

I filter my tap water and carry it in a metal water bottle. Paying money for poor quality bottled water doesn't make any sense to me. I leave the water in the car and I use it to paint Watercolour as well.

Tib

Glad to see you are environmentally conscious as well as being artistic 

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Coles are now phasing plastic bags  come July 1st.  About time too.  Shoppers will now have to remember to take  their  reusable cloth bags.

Of course all the store will gladly stop the bags -- it saves THEM money -- however, they still sell rolls of them for you garbage -- where as we used to use the ones they gave us for that --- and the reusable ones they SELL you to use are worse for the environment once they wear out.

Whatever we do in Australia seems to pale into insignificance when you see the amount of plastic waste elsewhere, e.g. Asia and India.

Surely if we put our minds to it we can come up with a better result than this. We must be able to reclaim the plastics and start producing more environmentally friendly containers. It can't be that hard.

Unfortunately plastic bottles are cheaper than glass.

Glass can be recycled and maybe that is the price we have to pay. No one said that a cleaner and better world would be free. :)

 

Agree Tib, some things I will only buy in glass, and pay a premium for doing so. However an alternative could be to follow SA's example and place a return deposit on all containers, glass included and particularly the disposable containers so popular with fast food outlets.. A 10 cent deposit would not really hurt anyone, maybe a couple of dollars each per week at most (unless one was a dipsomaniac), they could have it returned to them at recycling depots. For instance your local Bunnings could volunteer space too local civic groups to collect returned containers (like they do for sausage sizzles).

I know my kids main source of disposable income during their childhood was aluminium and steel cans. When I was a kid the 2d (thats two pennies if you have forgotten pre-decimal coinage) deposit on soft drink bottles and/or the 1/2d (ie halfpenny) for beer bottles was a very useful source of income. Would kids of today collect discarded containers if there was money in it for them? I hope so!

I remember picking up bottles on the beach. We would go surfing all morning and then we would pick up bottles and return them to the local shop for collection, with the money we got for them we would buy hamburgers, best hamburgers I ever tasted. Everybody wins. Makes me wish I could go surfing again, but the hamburgers will never taste the same. :)

Is the problem plastics per se, or is it peoples careless (or lazy) disposal of plastics. I suggest that fhe food industry is only a small player in the plastics problem, industrial use of plastics is a much bigger fish (excuse the pun). Just about everything used anywhere is encased in plastic wrapping and, in a lot of cases, polystyrene foam. While I am totally supportive of eliminating the indiscrimate use of plastic wrapping I feel that many respondents to this forum do not see the bigger picture and are only fiocussed on the food distribution and packaging aspects.

The great Australian garbage map: 75% of beach rubbish made of plastic

Some 2,651,613 pieces of debris were collected from beaches and recorded in a database during 2016 and 2017, with about three-quarters of items made from plastics.

Data compiled from rubbish collected by volunteers aims to encourage industry to control plastic pollution at the source.

Full Guardian story with interactive map.

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