UK's Literary Spies

FEW countries have dominated any industry as Britain has dominated the industry of producing fictional spies.

Britain invented the spy novel with Rudyard Kipling’s dissection of the Great Game in “Kim” and John Buchan’s adventure stories. It consolidated its lead with Somerset Maugham’s Ashenden stories and Graham Greene’s invention of “Greeneland”.

It then produced the world’s two most famous spooks: James Bond, the dashing womaniser, and George Smiley, the cerebral cuckold, who reappears this week in a new book.

What accounts for this success?

One reason is the revolving door between the secret establishment and the literary establishment. Some of the lions of British literature worked as spies.

Maugham was sent to Switzerland to spy for Britain under cover of pursuing his career as a writer. Greene worked for the intelligence services. Both Ian Fleming, the creator of Bond, and John le Carré, the creator of Smiley, earned their living as spies. Dame Stella Rimington, head of MI5 in 1992-96, has taken to writing spy novels in retirement. It is as if the secret services are not so much arms of the state as creative-writing schools.

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Roald Dahl Worked for the BSC (British Security Coordination)

Dahl is best known as a beloved children’s author of books like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory — hell, he even produced a child-friendly account of his service in World War II as a fighter pilot.

But funny enough, Dahl skipped over the details of what came next.

InThe Irregulars, American journalist Jennet Conant describes Dahl's life after his infamous head injury, when he was sent to Washington to work in the PR department of the British Embassy.

There he met Canadian spymaster William Stevenson and was soon recruited into the BSC, a front for counter-propaganda and espionage in North America. Dahl’s role was to investigate the political leanings of important women in the United States. He used his charm and good looks to these ends, and his friend Antoinette Haskell claims that Dahl “slept with everybody on the east and west coasts that had more than $50,000 a year.” At one point, Dahl supposedly asked to be transferred to another assignment due to fatigue, but was ordered back to work."

 

i wrote about Sreveson above who recruited Dahl   

My daughter is currently writing an essay on the effect of intelligence in the Second World War on battles and outcomes and legacy .

So the book on Itrepid and how the Brits operated in the US to convince them to aid the UK etc is a good introduction and then the Ultra secret and how the Brits were reading German Signals and how this affected many battles is fascinating stuff..

Brocky.

Is your daughter looking at MI6 ... and also the policy of "targetted killings"?

No 

She has finished her report on the strategic effect of Itelligence in WW2

It’s a myth that Mi6 have a licence to kill.

Targetted killings are not a myth, Brocky.

Not by Mi6

Definitely by MI6, now SIS ...

Was discussing this with a Dutchman a few years ago.  He knew about Britain  but denied this would ever be possible with the Netherlands.  During our debate it became  public knowledge that the Netherlands had just introduced it.

Targeting killings is covered by euthenisms.  And there is a lot of rationale for this, which is seen as justifiable and also saving many lives.

Incidentally, the use of drones by the Brits in many operations is 'targeted killing.'  As would be expected, there is often little information and no accountability.

https://dronewars.net/targeted-killing

Mi6 has always been SIS 

They do not operate drones 

Well, I always knew it as MI6 ... according to their site, they are now SIS.

Read papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=29843  (June 10, 2017)

There is recognition of targeted killing in the past ... the paper discusses "The Transformation of Targeted Killing ..."

Brocky,

You can't deny Britain has been involved in targeted killing ... and M16 ... now S1S is the agency involved with "security" situations/risks outside of Britain.  They do whatever is deemed necessary.

M15 is the agency covering domestic security.

Mi6 is not now SIS or Secret Intelligence Service it always has been. 

MI6 is responsible for Humint and reports to the foreign minister and only operates outside of Uk it must comply with UK laws even when operating overseas. 

It does not operate any drones for targeted killing . 

 

MI5 is responsible for counter intelligence and reports to the Home Office . It operates in the UK and has no power of arrest ,

GCHQ is the largest intelligence operation by far as is responsible for Sigint 

The armed forces control all weapons including drones . Do they target enemies of the State I would expect so.

The UK armed forces has a Special forces organisation ( UKSF) 

Which includes 

BSThe Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR)

The SRR was recently formed to gather intelligence & carry out surveillance operations in the war on terrorism. Members of the SRR are recruited from throughout the UK military. The SRR is the only UK special forces unit to recruit women.

The Joint Intelligence Organisation is a British intelligence agency responsible for intelligence assessment and development of the UK intelligence community’s analytical capability.  Jurisdiction: Government of the United Kingdom
The intelligence organisations are responsible for gathering intelligence . The JIO is responsible for analysing and informing the government . Any action required is authorised by the minister responsible . 

 

Brocky,

We will have to agree to disagree ...

www.SIS.gov.uk                                                                                      "Secret Intelligence Services (SIS) - otherwise known as MI6"

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/935140.stm

"... the service can perform covert operations abroad which would be unlawful in the U.K. ... maintains a formidable array of military hardware ,,"

Mi6 when operating overseas in carrying out their assigned task must if this means contravening a local law obtain a section 70 permission which will last six months 

http://intelligencecommissioner.com/content.asp?id=24

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An elderly man - whose name this paper is not allowed to mention - has been suspended from his position as the organiser of the scrabble team with the local U3A in Swindon. The team -composed mainly of retired women - were offended by his choice of words during a tournament.

       Being the only man, and the final player of the first round he added the letter S to the word PERM. He had the option to place his tile at the end of the word but in a disgusting display of male chauvinism he placed it before. His action did cause some dissent but the game continued. Until that is he began adding more tiles to existing and respectable words on the board, which then became quite suggestive and of an obscene nature. FEE became FEEL, PEN became PENIS, BUT became BUTTOCKS, which - to add insult to injury - earned him a triple word score. When he attempted to make FAN into FANNY a feminine cry of outrage forced him to remove N and Y. Not to be outdone however he later added WITH to DRAW, which also caused annoyance and frustration to the women. PUSSY was challenged but then allowed to remain. His attempt to place WET before it later caused more argument and he was attacked with two handbags and a stiletto heeled shoe before the Police and an ambulance were called.

Hahaha

brilliant :))

I really enjoyed Spycatcher too.

PETER Wright, the British agent whose publication in Australia of Spycatcher was a victory for free speech, has been slammed in a new history of MI5 as a dangerous conspiracy theorist, whose work in the intelligence service was as damaging and distracting as that of some traitors.

Christopher Andrew, the leading historian who has had unprecedented access to MI5 files to write the first official history of the secret service, concluded that while he was an active officer Wright's "conspiracy theories arguably did as much damage to the service as the treachery" of traitor Anthony Blunt.

The Cambridge University historian told The Australian last night that after studying Wright's career through unprecedented access to archives of the spycatcher's work and subsequent reviews of his activities by other MI5 agents, he believed that he had been mentally ill.

Wright retired from MI5 in 1976 and moved to Tasmania, where he published Spycatcher in 1985 to get around British secrecy laws. He died aged 78 in 1995.

God the scrabble story doubled me up (ok, I've got a dirty mind, we can't all be perfect) I nearly was cramping and my stomach muscles almost lost it. Best laugh I've had since I last laughed at an own joke!! No way this was true of course, was obviously a dirty figment of someone's  less than salubrious mind!! Athough to illustrate the difference between the sexes my wife who had heard my paroxysms of laughter came in to see what the fuss was about and after reading it gave a very small chuckle!!!!  Go figure!!

I have a friend who loves crossword puzzles. In fact she does 4 each week. Sometimes she will get stuck on a word and rings me up to see if i can help. When I ask her to repeat the letters she always says rude words representing the letter she is seeking. I start laughing as it gets funnier and funnier. We all need a good laugh.

:) The spy stories are very appropriate for today, November 30. The anniversary of the 1983 Australian Secret Intelligence Service agents bungle in the Melbourne Sheraton hotel.

On 30 November 1983, ASIS garnered unwanted negative attention when a training operation held at the Sheraton Hotel, now the Mercure, in Melbourne went wrong.

The training operation involved junior officers who had undergone three weeks prior training and who were given considerable leeway in planning and executing the operation. The mock hostage rescue was staged on the 10th floor of the hotel without the permission of the hotel's owner or staff. When ASIS operators were refused entry into a hotel room, they broke down the door with sledgehammers. The hotel manager, Nick Rice, was notified of a disturbance on the 10th floor by a hotel guest. When he went to investigate, he was forced back into the lift by an ASIS operator who rode the lift down to the ground floor and forcibly ejected Rice into the lobby.

Believing a robbery was in progress, Rice called the police. When the lift started returning to the ground floor, ASIS operators emerged wearing masks and openly brandishing 9mm Browning pistols and Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns, two of them with silencers. They forced their way through the lobby to the kitchen, where two getaway cars were waiting outside the kitchen door. Police stopped one of the cars and arrested the occupants, two ASIS officers and three ASIS civilian trainees, who refused to produce any form of identification.

Within two days the Minister for Foreign Affairs Bill Hayden announced that an "immediate and full" investigation would be conducted under the auspices of the second Hope Royal Commission on Australian Security and Intelligence Agencies, which was still in progress. A report was prepared and tabled by February 1984. It described the exercise as being 'poorly planned, poorly supervised and poorly run’.

Great story re the Scrabble Man Brocky, very funny. Tombstone of a Scrabble fan.

In 2013, vandals attacked the tombstone and damaged it, upon hearing this a Scrabble charity event was held to raise money for it to be fixed.

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