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What happened to the Australia I knew?

A comment highlighted in the newsletter on retirement affordability made me wonder what happened to the country that valued a fair go for all and the idea that Jack is as good as his master.

The comment was attributed to Suzanne:

"To reach retirement age and yet be totally reliant on welfare smacks of irresponsibility bordering on stupidity. Anybody who finds him or herself in just such a situation is in no wise position to be placing further demands on the public purse."

The first comment is obvious: the aged pension is not welfare. But more importantly why is this attitude that demonises those who have not made a fortune during their working life allowed to flourish?

I am relatively affluent because I served three decades in a branch of the ADF, 12 months of which was in Vietnam. That set me up with a defined benefit superannuation that would be the envy of people these days forced to accumulate superannuation to pay for whatever their lifespan might be. And then thanks to Little Johnny Howard's middle class welfare splurge I have a DVA Gold Card that covers health costs. I thank Providence for my good fortune, but I do not demonise and cast aspertions on those less fortunate.

I am not wanting to denigrate Suzanne for her comments, but rather to question the thoughts behind those heartless comments to ask what has Australia come to? Do we want to develop the same degree of compassionless dog eat dog capitalism that appears to be the norm and the societal aspiration in the US?

Let's encourage a fair go and drop the elitist style encouragement of riches accumulation at the expense of your fellow Australians - notably through rorting the tax law.

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I don't as rule cut and paste but means that war is declared on the Bludgers in Canberra.

Email it to your friends please.

"THE MOST IMPORTANT NEW YEAR RESOLUTION FOR ALL

 

Subject: Pension Entitlements in Australia

 

Please DO NOT DELETE UNTIL YOU HAVE READ IT. 

 

If you agree with this, pass it on. If not simply delete it and no one is better or worse off. Thanks! 

 

Just to be clear it is the politicians, not Canberra, who are to blame. 

 

It costs the Australian taxpayers $40 million annually to support ex-politicians - with a case now before the court to increase their entitlements. 

 

As a self funded retiree, I’m frustrated with Canberra’s continuous fiddle with Superannuation contributions and rule changes. 

 

So here's fair warning to all politicians of any persuasion: this group of aged voters may be about to make the greatest impact on any Federal election in history! 

 

Ignoring them may be the start of a changed political environment in this country. 

 

“Change the Entitlements” I absolutely agree, if our pension isn't an entitlement, neither is theirs. 

 

They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't sustainable. 

 

Paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable! 

 

The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of Entitlements is over: the author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those recipients to do likewise. 

 

In just 3 days, most people in Australia will have this message. 

 

This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to stop somewhere. 

 

Our proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now that the Age of Entitlement is over: 

 

1. Scrap political pensions. Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do. 

 

2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in Centrelink. A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office. Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians. Terminated politicians over 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people. 

 

3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue. This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them. 

 

4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%. 

 

5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people. i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds or accept ordinary Medicare. 

 

6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the Australian people. 

 

7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are void effective 31/12/17. The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians, that burden was thrust upon them. Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves. Serving in Parliament is an honour, not a career. 

 

The Founding Fathers envisaged citizen legislators, so our politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and/or back to work. 

 

SUMMING UP: as I said at the start, if each person contacts a minimum of twenty people, then it will only take three or so days for most Australians to receive the message. 

 

Don't you think it's time to fight back? 

 

Australia needs our help. 

 

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX Parliament and help bring fairness back into this country! 

 

If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete it and continue to delude yourself. 

 

Author: Dr. Dale Kerwin, School of Education, MT Gravatt Campus, Griffith University Ph. 07 3735 5884 | fax. 07 3735 5991"

Totally agree Somebody ... cannot see any reason why Politicians are not treated the same as the plebs/public

Suze you are far too intelligent to be repeating Michas nonsense ...

Unless you did it for a laugh .,

You like to comment on who writes stuff and not the content. SHUT up posta pete.

I sent a copy of this to our local MP Darren Chester.

You should do the same if you care about our future.

Somebody, Can you help me understand why this self funded retiree is so upset about  the OAP being called Welfare?

A Retiree is a Retiree, it does not matter if they are self funded or on a pension entitlement.  If we let the government treat OAP retrirees like dirt and get away with it they will soon move on to the self funded retirees.

Time to forget the governments attempt at dividing us into self funded and government funded, and if we must use a lable call us all Retirees.  Why do we have to have a class system for dignity?

 

"the government treat OAP retrirees like dirt " exPS the OAP's just got a $30 increase. Is that treating them like dirt? You're getting too emotive and wound up about a falsehood.

To try and make out people who have contributed all ther working lives into a system that is supposed to support retirees out to be welfare recipients is in my book treating them like dirt.

I will always get emotive and wound up about falsehoods that effect good people.  The government takes $60.00 and gives back $30.00 and we are supposed to be thankful, I think your sites are out of alignment.

 

Frank

Because he cares about the future of this crooked place called Australia.

I did not write this as you see.

Because he cares? To me those words are combatative and confrontational, while also of a gang forming nature. It appears to be written in anger. Now this is important because if you give an angry person huge support, well hell, they could do anything, perhaps start a world war?

Straight Shooter babe, if you meditate more you won't see everything as "combatative and confrontational". Take a few deep breaths, go on.

FRANK,   which pensioners do you know who have had a $30 rise?       it certainly wasnt in victoria,     the last rise we had was $4.     or something like,    of which the housing commission took $1,50c.       any time a rise is coming they let us know well in advance,     as the rent always increases,     the last we heard was in DECEMBER,    to tell us the rent was increasing in febuary, [they have tio give 2 months notice,     

Cats Frank is Micha and shit stirring 

I add anyone thing IF they do not keep their promises we can SACK them, pronto! With no pension -- they get the same as us the people,  if they do not do the job as promised

Frank

I would back this man in a revolt on Canberra because is the only way to get change to the unfair system.

You are a coward like many more of your kind and wish to turn a blind eye to the would be self appointed royalty sitting on their fat bums ripping off the public.

Micha creating artificial arguments with yourself only further illustrates the state of your mind . You have lost the plot Sonny .

 

A coward ??? LOL

And the opposite of coward is a person who writes nasty things about politicians.??

Don't have anything intelligent to say BrockHead?

Well just try harder Somebody.

Typical reaction from persons who fear problems from the government that they elected.

Go have a cuppa and a lie down old boy 

no need to give yourself a headache from thinking 

I did not elect this government.

Don Chester is a member of the House of Representatives for Gippsland in Victoria

So you are from Victoria Somebody ??

Yes 

Of course Somebody would be from Victoria. He wants to form a gang to topple the Federal Government. LOL

He already is a gang , of one , Micha posts on here 24/7 creating artificial arguments . 

A self confessed 38 year old who spends all day attacking our female members . A sicko ., 

Pete, I didnt believe you at first but it all falls into place when you take notice of the patterns of behaviour. What a devious SOB???!!!

Yes Micha of course Micha ..

SOB?? Straight Shooter babe are you suffering from Shortness of Breath?

LOL you two idiots are so far from the mark it is time to ROFLMAO.

I'll give you a clue ......I'm 74 with the body of a 40 year old

 

No according to you you are a 39 year old with a devious mind that hates women..

Somebody Somebody. You are only happy when making trips to Thailand and insulting us oldies.

Frank Aka Micha endlessly talking to yourself is a sign of mental illness.

AKA Micha only by you Pete. What happened between you two? Care to tell us why you two had a falling out? Anyway, none of my business.

Why don’t you get out of your attic and get some fresh air Micha . Sitting there all day mumbling to yourself on a screen is sending you nuts..

I am in the fresh air dickheads........on my boat fishing and I've never been to Thailand.

I can feel the hate from the greeneyed monster called jealousy.

Would you like to see my passport?

I have been to the USA / UK / Denmark / France / Italy / Africa / Japan / Phillipines / Spain and good old oz.

Now get off your bums a fight for your rights you lazy sods.

You really are tiresome Micha your Somebody pseudo who was originally Davey is the most obnoxious...

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