XP has been extended until May

Due to late roll out of Windows 7 the cut off date for build with XP has been extended for orders to 31.1.09 and end of May now.

Dell is now charging around $150 for a new computer with XP instead of Vista so it is probably cheaper to buy the XP retail and install it yourself get a tech to do it for you or if buying a new computer can go to computer store where they will build one for you and install it.
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If you do buy Dell over the phone then remember to ask for more USB ports and Video too as they are extra to norm and you will run out of them PDQ.

I bought new computer from Dell last year with XP as most of the new ones were built with Vista and I didn't want it at any price and am so glad I didn't heed the promo's and its better nonsense after reading this story.


http://badvista.fsf.org/what-s-wrong-with-microsoft-windows-vista


What's wrong with Microsoft Windows Vista?
by John Sullivan — last modified 2007-04-16 18:53

Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system is a giant step backward for your freedoms.

Usually, new software enables you to do more with your computer. Vista, though, is designed to restrict what you can do.

Vista enforces new forms of “Digital Rights Management (DRM)”. DRM is more accurately called Digital Restrictions Management, because it is a technology that Big Media and computer companies try to impose on us all, in order to have control over how our computers are used.

Technology security expert Bruce Schneier explains it most concisely:

Windows Vista includes an array of “features” that you don't want. These features will make your computer less reliable and less secure. They'll make your computer less stable and run slower. They will cause technical support problems. They may even require you to upgrade some of your peripheral hardware and existing software. And these features won't do anything useful. In fact, they're working against you. They're digital rights management (DRM) features built into Vista at the behest of the entertainment industry—And you don't get to refuse them.

DRM gives power to Microsoft and Big Media.

* They decide which programs you can and can't use on your computer
* They decide which features of your computer or software you can use at any given moment
* They force you to install new programs even when you don't want to (and, of course, pay for the privilege)
* They restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data files

DRM is enforced by technological barriers. You try to do something, and your computer tells you that you can't. To make this effective, your computer has to be constantly monitoring what you are doing. This constant monitoring uses computing power and memory, and is a large part of the reason why Microsoft is telling you that you have to buy new and more powerful hardware in order to run Vista. They want you to buy new hardware not because you need it, but because your computer needs it in order to be more effective at restricting what you do.

Microsoft and other computer companies sometimes refer to these restrictions as “Trusted Computing.” Given that they are designed to make it so that your computer stops trusting you and starts trusting Microsoft, these restrictions are more appropriately called “Treacherous Computing”.
Even when you legally buy Vista, you don't own it.

Windows Vista, like previous versions of Windows, is proprietary software: leased to you under a license that severely restricts how you can use it, and without source code, so nobody but Microsoft can change it or even verify what it really does.

Microsoft says it best:

The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this agreement. In doing so, you must comply with any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways.

To make it even more confusing, different versions of Vista have different licensing restrictions. You can read all of the licenses at http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx.

It's painful to read the licenses, and this is often why people don't object to them. But if we don't start objecting, we will lose valuable freedoms. Here are some of the ridiculous restrictions you will find in your reading:

* If your copy of Vista came with the purchase of a new computer, that copy of Vista may only be legally used on that machine, forever.
* If you bought Vista in a retail store and installed it on a machine you already owned, you have to completely delete it on that machine before you can install it on another machine.
* You give Microsoft the right, through programs like Windows Defender, to delete programs from your system that it decides are spyware.
* You consent to being spied upon by Microsoft, through the “Windows Genuine Advantage” system. This system tries to identify instances of copying that Microsoft thinks are illegitimate. Unfortunately, a recent study indicated that this system has already screwed up in over 500,000 cases.

Free software like GNU/Linux does not require you to consent to these absurd licensing terms. It is called free software because you are free to make as many copies as you want, and to share it with as many friends as you want. Nobody will be monitoring your actions or falsely calling you a thief.
What you can do to help protect your freedom

There is a battle underway between those who value freedom, and corporations such as Microsoft who wish to profit by taking that freedom away. DRM and absurd licenses are at the heart of that battle.

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[size=3]BigVal, I am completely at sea with tech talk.



Is Windows 7 the next stage after Vista?



I have XP, and have been quite happy.

What does this mean? ...."the cut off date for build with XP has been extended for orders to 31.1.09 and end of May now. "



Will XP no longer exist after that date?



I also heard bad reports on Vista.

As I am thinking about a new computer, your post has caught my interest.

This is just curiosity on my part, as I have a very reliable tech who built my first computer, and then upgraded me to XP. He knows my limitations, and I know he'll put me on the right track. So, as I say, it's more of just a query for my own interest.[/size]

Thanks for the info--Val--I have ordered a new Vista Dell desk to and should get it next week or just a bit after--will let you know--I have no choice as my 98 se is not supported now--or I would keep it--have been and still am vewry happy with what I have

Koko - XP is the longest and best of the Windows OS to date. Stick with it - I did and will because all new OS like Vista 2 yrs now have bugs which they take ages to fix as not an open system like for instance Firefox is where we all try it on beta and feed back problems and they fix them. M$ hasn't done this I'm told. I think you use IE and it is not secure at all - do try Firefox once you get used to it it is a lot faster and Firefox 3 is the best of the lot.

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Yep windows & is following Vista after really less than 2 years - and like Vista I wouldn't get it anyway until I hear from the techs that it is bug free as they all are sticking to XP and still say having tried Windows 7 in Beta form that XP is the best ever M$ has produced.

they said it about Vista too as they had it on Beta - these days M$ has started to offer some people beta - I got offered it but declined on Windows.



PlanB hope you got a lot of USB ports etc as Dell I found with the accent on the phone were a bit hard to understand. Vista I haven't tried myself - some say it is fine and many have had problems so luck of the draw. If not(USB) can always get a hub which is like an extension for your power point.

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If it bothers you can always buy XP before it goes out of the shops - Techs will have it for years though I expect - but you need it on disc in case you have to reformat your hard drive and re install it etc.

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I am very happy with my Dell and it didn't cost a lot either. Now of course the bundles are coming down in the shops like Harvey Norm - but I only wanted the computer - they threw in a printer free which wasn't much cop - gave it away - and keyboard which I am still using as it still has its letters on the keys - a first as usually they go inside a few months with me - end up with blank keys:( Only key completely blank on this keyboard after over a year is I and half a U,N &O;:)

I don't mind as touch typist but a bit off putting for anyone using my computer if they don't know their keys. I have gone through M$ and Logitech keyboards like no bodies business prior to this. this one is not wireless but my mouse is which is what matters.

Of course Dell put a lot of their stuff on the build - you probably could do with adding Winpatrol on it as it will tell you what is on start up and you can delay those you do not need on start up so that you are fast and the others can start later so you are not waiting etc. Winpatrol is free and if you want to have inside info can pay a fee for that. I did after having it a while as it tells you what all the bits are and if you need to have it on start up etc. instead of wondering on those you cannot identify as being part of a program like Anti Virus which of course you want up and running immediately. :)



Both of you need CCleaner as it is a must - it cleans out your temp files and gets rid of the rubbish you collect every time you go on the net if you don't clear out this cache - you slow right down.



http://www.ccleaner.com/ Free and very good.



You can set it to keep the cookies of forums you go to etc and it gets rid of all others you collect every time you surf. Also it can go thru your registry and find the bits that get left behind if you delete a program you tried and didnt like for example - this helps keep the computer running fast. But always do a backup which it will ask you do you want one as then if you do delete something you find you shouldn't can put it back and hunky dory again. It also has start up items listed and also can uninstall any programs for you which is quicker that having to go to Control then add/remove etc.

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But like all these programs I think it offers a tool bar so unclick it as you dont need all these also.



KoKo - as you like dogs - this has some magnificent photos free for wall paper and screen saver.

http://www.webshots.com/g/?vhost=www

again you do not need the tool bar so unclick.

[size=3]BigVal, thanks for all that info.

I'll have a look at Firefox.

If I don't like it, how do I get back to IE?

Also, I'll show your post to the tech when he comes.[/size]

Koko - you can never lose IE6 as it is part of the OS of windows. I say that IE6 and you probably have IE7 which you can remove but the last permanent one is IE6 which is just that permanent. Cannot delete it any which way.



Download Firefox and then it will ask if you want it to be your default browser - click yes and it will come up.



If you need IE still there on you programs. You probably have MSN there too. Another browser. You can have any number of them but only one on default.



sometimes on some sites the link you click on will bring up IE.



Some papers Telegraph Uk I think is one where you need IE or it is overwritten on parts but you can get add ons to Firefox and IE tab is one of them. Right click once you get Firefox going and then open in IE tab or new tab etc.



Also good on other things like click FF on URL bar and it will tell you abut the site if secure etc. Star at end click on that and you can save it in your bookmarks which is what Firefox calls its favourites and you can also import those from your current IE into Firefox.



Have fun.



www.mozilla.com/

Ok thanks BigVal..I'll do a bit of a look around.

Interesting reading Val.

I have XP on my computer and Vista on my laptop.

With Vista you have to get rid of some annoying things that start when you boot up.

I find it slow but once you get used to it, it is ok.

Having used both, I prefer XP, but know that as we get older, it becomes harder to get used to change.

e.g. I liked 98 and initially wanted to keep it before going to XP, but now would not go back.

Thanks for another interesting topic :)

Gerry

THey said there were 6 ASB on the Dell I am fetting--in a week or so--I also asked a friend about that info--and got this info back--she is a Guru on computers--I will post what she said see below>>

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Hi



The information on badvista was mostly written some time ago. It started before Vista was released. Service Pack which was released a few months ago has fixed most of the biggest performance bugs. On a powerful new system Vista runs well. I have it installed on two of mine along with Linux. On older systems with poor resources it doesn't run well. Most linux doesn't either. Modern operating systems use more system resources and modern systems have more system resources. Most of the things they are complaining about haven't been activated and never will be activated on the 32 bit version. Some are in the 64 bit version but you can choose not to use that and I wouldn't recommend using the 64 bit version of any operating system - they all have bugs because it works differently at hardware level.



It is a good example of geeks getting more than a bit carried away with dislike of Vista and anti-Microsoft. Some of their points are valid but I'm not sure that many of the objections would worry the average user and most don't affect normal use. It was mostly written by linux supporters and they get a little carried as well. Lots of geeks only know XP and don't want to learn a slightly newer interface for some reason. It's a jump from Windows 98, but not much different to XP. Lots of younger geeks would only have used Windows 98 and Windows XP. The old ones like me know there's more out there :)

Gerry - I liked 98 too - XP is very user friendly - Vista I have used on my friends lap top and not a lot different but as you say start up items - I have Win patrol for that but also of course CCleaner lists these too - Win does act as a guard against any interference and of course you can delay start ups which helps.



Ive tried most programs and ended up with these which work well for me.



Zone alarm for firewall without the security suite bit.



Avast for Anti Virus - bit strange to start with but updates daily and never let me down like AVG did.



Super Anti Spyware- free - terrific program - free version have to manually update but not a worry I do the 'housekeeping' once a week and Ccleaner daily.



Spybot as a second anti spyware - again manual update but it has a hosts program which is good.



WinPatrol to keep the nasties from altering my start ups and registry without me approving. I have the paid version because it tells me what I can disable safely etc but you can get it free.



Spyware Blaster - protects browser and hosts file.



also have Secunia PSI which is the full version - protects me from insecure programs because I haven't updated or patched them. Great little helper this one.



Perhaps you think that is too many?

I haven't had any problems with my computer since running these.

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I ran the beta versions of Secunia whilst they were developing it and never had a problem with it either.

Plan B 6 USBs sounds fine - I take it you have at least 1 GB of Ram for Vista as it needs more than XP to run as your friend stated.

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One of the problems having a new OS is that the programs we all like to load are not compatible straight away with it so you are stuck until they catch up. Vista having been around 2 years - most are caught up so no problem there - as long as you have the resources which you will have on a new computer as they build them with huge resource compared with a few years back when we all ran 98 and didnt need so much.

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I go to many forums and see the advice handed out on all of these problems people encounter and it is pretty well standard on not going out and buying a new OS until the bugs are ironed out.

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Personally I get fed up with M$ keep changing - thought when they brought out XP it was so good that they wouldn't supersede it but of course they did - as they have to make more money -once most of the world is running XP - well to sell more have to make bigger and better. Blast em :( Vista hasn't lasted that long but.

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Drives me mad in the supermarket too - where they keep changing the packaging so that I cant find it on the shelf - or even worse delete it so that a 'new' one takes its place - doesn't sell and back comes the basic tried true and trusted original we all buy anyway - mad world.

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Val--Re the RAM it says it has 3GB (3 by 1GB NECC Duel Chanel DDR2 800 MHz SD RAM memory

(what ever that means) Also has 500 Gb HD



I also agree that things are out of date about 3 months after buying these days--drives me mad also--things work well but you have to update because they won't work with the new stuff--also as you say in the super market if they change the packets I am bushed--I wonder why they do this as if you happen to buy the wrong one--and like it--they you stay with the new one.



I have always been of the thought if it isn't broke--don't fix it ! Now they have broght out yet a new M$--I believe called 2007

Plan B sounds good to me - I have only 1 GB RAM which is good but bought it last year so now out of date - blooming heck:)

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Yep windows 7 is on its way but been delayed that is why they are keeping XP longer - it will be updated of course for some time to come as millions have it. Have to support it for a while just as they did the others.

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