The Meeting Place

Security proposals for religious places of worship.

I think we all recoiled in horror over an Australian going on a killing spree in Christchurch. We all acknowledge that gut feeling of transferred shame yet having no part in it. 

The Scott Morrison somehow did the very thing that we should never do. That is 'Lock the gates and mistrust the world'.

When he stood there and pronounced $55 million for bollards and security cameras for religious places of worship in Australia I was dismayed. We can't wrap the world in cotton wool. The gun man walked through the doors in NZ and he was already on his own live TV. Nothing would have given the community a quicker response than the 36 minutes it took for the NZ police to apprehend the mentally deranged man.

This man chose a religion, some serial killers choose gays, some choose children, some choose women, one chose tourists visiting Port Arthur.

If CCTV cameras go up around places of worship we will immediately lose the sense of privacy in attending prayer. The government will know who and when people attend which place of worship. Are you sure this is what we want in exchange for curtainling to fear?

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MICK you make some very valid points. People have to get their heads out of the sand and see and listen to the facts.

What happened in NZ is beyond sick and try as we might we may never be able to prevent similar atrocities occurring. As you so sensibly said there must be "discussion" between the Muslim community and the mainstream Australians. It does not help when clerics from the Muslim community use incentive language - it does not help when mainstream Australians also use incentive language.

The language used by the two groups is exactly what the extreme far right thugs need to egg them on. Hate speech from both sides is our real enemy.

MICK you make some very valid points. People have to get their heads out of the sand and see and listen to the facts.

What happened in NZ is beyond sick and try as we might we may never be able to prevent similar atrocities occurring. As you so sensibly said there must be "discussion" between the Muslim community and the mainstream Australians. It does not help when clerics from the Muslim community use incentive language - it does not help when mainstream Australians also use incentive language.

The language used by the two groups is exactly what the extreme far right thugs need to egg them on. Hate speech from both sides is our real enemy.

Yep Ray, it makes a lot of sense to have discussions and to lay it all on the table. It seems to me people are afraid of sensitive dialogue, but without it, hate will continue to be a festering sore.

Can someone tell me how many Australians were killed in the Twin Towers massacre ?

I do not recall all this soul searching and fuss then.

 

pb tom,  do you mean the 911 --?

That was about 3000 killed -- not sure where they were all from --but many have died and are still dying because of asbestos and the other contaminates caused by it.

Pb tom there was a lot of soul searching then. It was clearly a terrorist action in response to a war. 

This is not the same. This is a psychopath and too many are intent on making it about religious division in the community. When the next serial killer focuses on only women are we going to punish all the women for being born or migrating to Australia?

However as someone put it to me - when Muslims strike its in retaliation for our misdeeds and when Anglos strike is still our fault. It seems our media feeds off making "us" to blame for the entire world's misfortune. 

Can someone tell me how many Australians were killed in the Twin Towers massacre ?

I do not recall all this soul searching and fuss then.

I agree with Jim about the reporting of these incidents.

I cannot recall how many Australians were killed in the Twin Towers massacre but there was not the fuss and public attention

that this one has received.

I agree with Jim about the reporting of these incidents.

I cannot recall how many Australians were killed in the Twin Towers massacre but there was not the fuss and public attention

that this one has received.

I can't agree about September 11 pb tom. I was up that night here and things were being streamed live on all Australian channels. I remember racing in to wake my husband saying, "The world has just changed". We then watched the whole sorry drama until the towers collapsed.

IMO it was a life-changing event for the world and its coverage was saturated for weeks after the moment the first tower was hit.

The ramifications and subsequent media coverage were enormous (and prolonged) with the subsequent War on Terror and the hunt for Bin Laden all continuing world headlines in their day.

As this article linked to below explains:

On September 11, 2001, it didn't matter if you were anchorman Tom Brokaw of NBC News or a rookie reporter at a small town newspaper, you were faced with a crisis you never before experienced or could have imagined. The decisions that were made in newsrooms across the country have left a lasting change in how the news media covers stories to this day.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/how-news-coverage-has-changed-since-the-9-11-attacks-2315201

As for number of Australians killed on September 11 ... the number is 10.

Over 2600 people died in the terrorist attack, including ten Australians.

Source: National Museum of Australia.

.... thanks for that RnR.  Yes - I remember it well - how could anyone forget that night ...we all thought the first plane was an accident and were aghast...then the 2nd. one hit and then the news filtered thru' re the Pentagon etc. etc. 

Every year on the same date - there are still replays of it ......."Lest we forget 9/11" ......yes - you are correct - the world changed!

Don 't think too many people had even heard of Bin Laden 'til then? 

Yes, I remember it that way too.  I made exactly the same comment to my partner RnR, and we were right, the world as we knew it definitely changed forever that night.

Yes, it did didn't it, Leonie. 

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