why atheism ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbelievers

Religions have existed from before the recorded history of humankind. Those 'religions' were the work of the shamans and soothsayers and witches and charlatans. If you didnt believe or opposed you were put to death, in some horrible painful manner.

Much of christianity started off with violence against ones fellow man [old testament expecially]. christ was crucified in times when human life was rather cheap. Slavery was in vogue. People died for no reason other than the impulse of another. Yet societies still blossomed and prospered despite the deaths. The Romans controlled much of europe at the time and they had gods and rules to live by. Nevertheless mainstream Meditteranean religions competed. They fought to the death. For power and control of regions; trade and profit were an underlying theme.

Yet there were always those who, although afraid to disclose their fear and potential loss of life, did not believe in any religion. So in the early 2000,s there has emerged a worldwide movement, a movement of freedom of thinking, a movement of reason of thought, a movement of science, a movement of rationallity; that rejects all notions of deity worship.

Most fundamental theist followers are aghast at the notion. Their highly structured and controlled worlds [Jewish, Catholic, Islamic, Hindu, Scientology] are being challenged like never before. Books like 'The God Delusion' and the movie the 'Unbelievers' are in their face, questioning the very foundations of the moral rules handed down through ancient texts [except Scientology].

So what does the future hold for worldwide religions in the face of this radical new challenge ?

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i wonder what religion i am?    i havent been christened,  so i suppose i can take any religion i like,      my mother was C,O,E,   but my father was atheist,    and i dont have many beliefs, 

If you marry Mustafa , you'll have to convert.

o hope of that SOLLY,   im still in mourning,     cant you see the tears on the page, n

The definition of a dead athiest is someone all dressed up with nowhere to go.

How's that different to a dead non atheist

The ignorant are full of knowledge>>>

Seth Atheist can believe in life after death . I do I believe the consciousness lives on . Just  not the gift of a God 

Pete not taking away the right for anyone to believe, or not to believe, in a creator which to those who have that belief call 'God".

You say you believe {Though an athiest} in an ongoing conscionness, Why?          Doesn't that belief require a kind of 'faith'? that athiests deny.

Does not athiesm accept that everything [all life] exists by accident or one species changing to another, and there is no such thing as an after life, which would have to be, if consciousness was available after death. IMO

Foxy this subject is never old, you can ignore it or deny it, but it will always remain as that is human nature.

Seth I dont understand your reply if you are suggesting that. Darwin was wrong then we disagree . As to conciou ness existing after death I. Would suggest a reading of Penrose  

Pete what is it you do not understand with my reply? It is in three paragraphs that just need your personal thoughts to each.

In the works of Darwin I have read some of his observations but I have read somewhere he admitted to some mistakes. BUT I never mentioned Darwin.

Why would I read 'Penrose' if he says there is consciousness after death it could only come from his personal belief, or Faith, or imagination.

Again I ask, why do you personally believe in consciouness after death?

I could ask you the same question Seth. And I guess you would reply it's your reading of the bible . In my case it's my reading over a life time . And I don't except things on faith . Science has to be backed up yes their Are out on the frontiers of science theories like Einstein and now we have gone further .in the area of quantum physics there are a lot of unknowns that we are just beginning to explore. Penrose is looking at what is conciouness and could exist in other dimensions . Religion to me is a superstition that has no place in the modern world . If the exploration of quantum physics has no interest for you so be it . But allow others their own interests.

Who on earth in their right mind would re-hash this old post from Aug. 2013 ????  A "goof-ball"  maybe? lol lol lol 

Why is it any different to other continuing threads like whAt made you smile today , 

i don't know women scorned . 

The Fox there are some conversations that continue over variouse threads . Life After death being one . And the continuing discussion of individualism and Sociialism another .

...so are you a Ghost pete ???   apart from "ghosting" people on here - lol lol

No Fox just me!!

Seth you mid understand Atheist there are as many strands as there are Christians we are only united in one thing No Gods 

Pete you are saying that athiests have selective beliefs, from their selection of reading, I do understand the principle of Athiesm, {No God Or Gods} that is why I asked why do you believe in conscionceness after death, You say from reading over the years, possibly by sublimimal suggestion that agrees with your own.        What makes that different from reading the bible, which is a factual history of the Hebrews leading to the New Testament. Which IMO is a Faith revelation with a promise. But no one is forced to accept it.

 

 

Yes Seth Athesists are really not united on any topic except the non existence of Gods.

my own view on Conciouness existing after physical death came from early thoughts of my own where I believed our thoughts made up of electrical charges radiated out for ever much like TV or Radio Signals . 

Then I read up a little on Quantum Physics and the discovery of particle that could immediately know and have an effect on another particle even across the other side of the universe immediately . This is called entaglement . And could lead to a whole new Science and superseid Einstein in that the speed of light is a universal speed limit.

This has given rise to the possibility of Multiverses and multi dimensions. And continuing Conciouness . 

The Old Testament is not factual . But stories of one paricular semetic tribe from the Bronze Age.

It would seem to me the term “atheism” may mean something different to different individuals, hence personal definition may not fit the conventional understanding of the term.

The same is with an individual's definition of God which may have nothing to do with religion.

Yes I agree Abby ..

The GD is once again showing {although it isnt a word I associate with the GD}     common sense.

Gee Pete your heading into uncharted waters with quantum physics to back up your acceptance of consciousness after death, that electrical charges will continue on {for ever?} does not everything have a life span? then dissipates.

Dissipation is not the same as disappearance . Yes as waves radiate out they become weaker but the energy level stays the same you cannot destroy energy.

Pete I used the word dissipate'' purposely to show that when life ends it is gradually absorbed and reused, why not the same with energy? 

If you mean by life Conciouness and how it possibly continues if as in my youthful thought it is a bit like I love Lucy radiating out there , I love Lucy is now 74 light years away. It would be an energy wave and as energy is heat and systems balance the heat would contribute to raising the temperature of the universe .  

But in my more recent thinking as per entanglement it has yet to be explained how two particles can effect each other instanously across any distance . It cannot be through energy which we know has an ultimate speed .

Pete have you studied at university Éntanglement'?  it is a theory just as Darwins theory of evolution, they are not fact that can be accepted as reality, but create thought provoking ideas, IMO more far out than an athiest viewpoint of a non existant creation.

If all the theories are accepted as fact, then so called brainwashing is rampant.

An experiment in entaglement across space and time ..


http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/156673-the-first-quantum-entanglement-of-photons-through-space-and-time


seth why do you ask me if I have studied entaglement at univercity ? 

Yes you can reduce everything down to a theory but science must be verified unlike faith .

i don't see where brainwashing comes into science which is always open to new even total radical ideas . It is faith based religions that are unbendng . 


Isn't that the problem with a lot of science, being a theory, if you are so willing to jump in and accept it with faith, and at the same time denounce faith in a creation,  which IMO,  anyone  who exists  and all living things point to their being one, otherwise you have everything that exists being the result of an accident, But even accidental, does not explain Life appearing in inaminate objects.

It's all your fault Pete, one thing leads to another.

I am yet to hear of any athiest/s killing people for not adhering to their beliefs, or lack of :).

If you insult Pete's Non God, you'll be in trouble 

Sorry Rad but Socialists who are supposed to be Atheist have murdered millions. 

Not forgetting Athiest russia, also the French revolution when France became  athiest and the killing began.

Yes that was what I was saying SociLists Russia socialist china and the communes of Paris murdered millions .

But also the Christian SociLists of NAZI Germany and the Shinto worshippers of Japan also murdered millions ,

plus you have the Cstholic Dictators Franco Mussolini and South American ones that were responsible for murders and disappearances ,  Opus Dei has a lot to answer for .

Who do you hold responsible ? The athiest dictators or the gullible people who became prisoners in their own country, who believed what they were told,  a bit like Tony here with all his lieing promises, which have nearly all been broken.

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