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Aussies expect more droughts and floods

Eight in 10 Australians (81 per cent) are now concerned about climate change resulting in more droughts and flooding according to a new benchmark report released on Wednesday by the Australia Institute.

The annual Climate of the Nation benchmark report has tracked Australian attitudes on climate change for over a decade. This is the second Climate of the Nation report produced by The Australia Institute, after being produced for a decade by the Climate Institute.

The report found that:

  • Eight in 10 (81 per cent) Australians are concerned that climate change will result in more droughts and flooding, up from 78 per cent in 2018
  • Majority of Australians (68 per cent) agree that the Government should plan for an orderly phase-out of coal so that workers and communities can be prepared
  • Majority of Australians (54 per cent) reject the idea that Australia should not act on climate change until other major emitters like US and China do so (25 per cent agree we should not act, 21 per cent neutral/don't know)
  • Almost two thirds of Australians (64 per cent) think the country should have a national target for net-zero emissions by 2050, similar to the United Kingdom
  • Most Australians blame increasing electricity prices on the excessive profit margins of electricity companies (57 per cent, up from 55 per cent) or the privatisation of electricity infrastructure (55 per cent, up from 52 per cent).

 

The report was launched by Zali Steggall, the federal member for Warringah.

“This latest report shows that Australians support far more ambitious climate and energy policies than the Federal Government is currently delivering,” Ms Steggall said.

“Australians are rightly concerned about more extreme heat waves, droughts and bushfires and they want the Morrison Government to show leadership on climate change and do more to prepare for the impacts that are already locked in.”

What do you think? Should Australia prepare for more natural disasters if climate change is not addressed?

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@Viking

RE: I have worked, lived and travelled around the world including many of the countries that are affected by some of the worst weather events. I still travel there and I have friends and family who are directly affected

It would seem to me with all your travel you are making a large carbon footprint.... is that OK ???

Well Suze you would have to ask the governments and  industries that paid for the travel and accomodation to justify that. I just happen to have a particular skillset that lends itself to recovery and restructuring of productive infrastructure after various types off disruptions and calamities. This often leads to Australian business involvement. To reduce air travel I usually live locally and travel by land. In some cases I also guide recovery by electronic means where it's feasible. I've also worked on projects to reduce the government's built property  footprint and costs overseas and to improve efficiency. Sometimes you have to expend a bit of CO2 to save some. So that's my main reason for travel, what's yours?

Huge topic this climate change issue and on every other day have thoughts swirling about life before the industrial revolution, which generation should shoulder the most blame, is everything we hear from all sides of the argument scientific fact or just politicians and other global power brokers just playing at point scoring and one-up man-woman-ship etc. etc. etc.

I claim no expertise on the issue and regard myself as basically a fairly simple person but offer the following suggestion - Starting perhaps next Monday would  it be environmentally beneficial perhaps for the entire western world to simply down tools and live as many western people did in the not so distant past ie. 60s and 70s.

Such an immediate environmental change would not seem particularly significant  to many who were raised this way, but  which may require some adjusting to for those born in the past 25 years or so.

Thoughts of a simpler life such as living without air conditioning,  ceiling fans or heated homes and schools - it being an almost taken for granted expectation these days that every shelter of any sort will fitted out in such a way.

Most of us simply walking  or cycling - well just about everywhere really...not every family had a car back in the 60s and 70s....And can’t recall many of my peers of the time taking frequent flights to exotic and distant places..so aeroplane flights were kinda rare for many.  Train travel seemed fairly common though.

Similarly the only takeaway food for many back in the day being perhaps fish and chips once a fortnight or less, thus sparing the world the monumental plastic and packaging waste accompanying takeaway food.

Likewise no bottled water in the 60s and 70s that I can recall, in fact very limited access to even bottled or canned soft drinks except perhaps at Xmas. We reused milk bottles back then leaving empties out on the bottom step to be replaced with full bottles of milk.  

Don’t even recall plastic shopping bags being used when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s, you just seemed to collect groceries in a shopping basket, string bag or similar.  Again not forgetting the plastic and packaging waste applied to many supermarket products and groceries.

Don’t even think we had as many clothes in the 60s and 70s with hand me downs not being unusual for some.  Quietly wondering what the go is with babies nappies these days?  But guess in times past the daily washing of cloth nappies must have used a fair bit of washing machine power and water.

 Finally is it really necessary for almost every kid over the age of 10 in the western world to have an electronic device of some sort? When in simpler times it was a public phone box  on a corner used sparingly.

These things seem ridiculously simple to my minds eye - But don’t know why the western world en masse can’t start making these changes say from next Monday.

 

PS.  And forgot to mention why every skyscraper in every city of the world - or so it seems - is lit up like a Xmas Christmas at night with many of these buildings being  used as office buildings ...Surely  there would not be 60 storeys of office workers still working at 2.45am on every single day, year in year out!

 

 

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Climate change is real..if we think with our heads and not our feet, we can all help. 



 

 

No one should travel anywhere by air from now on.  Walk everywhere and sell the car.

Shetso1, we cannot go backwards, people just cannot live simply anymore, we have to be more realistic. We need to look at the big contributers to CO2, with our Government opening up the country to gas fracking we have no hope, have a look at that and tell me this is not a big contributer with the use of methane,water and clearing tree's yet again. And we all need to eat less meat and dairy, this is another huge contributer, no one please do not attack me for spruiking vegan, I want people to look at the facts, we cannot just go on about energy production as though it is the only thing. We also need to look at grass roots level changes, we cannot wait for the Government to solve anything. Start by growing some of your own veggies if you can or joining a community garden project or even start one. I want to look at solutions not keep on the blame game.

Musicveg,

agree with the points you make but think the reality is that things will have to change, and in some instances by getting rid of some of the environmental trappings of modern life ie. bottled water, excessive reliance on single vehicle transport etc. etc. etc. and such retro-transitions - so to speak - will entail discomfort which the western world will have to come to terms with until such changes are normalised.

Actually quietly thinking there may come a time when something ‘as run as the mill’ as plastic may be banned from modern life completely, given we seem to be drowning in the stuff..with micro-plastic particles everywhere it seems,

I’m not vegan but believe I’d be pretty close to the label of vegetarian, never been much of a meat eater really irrespective of environmental concerns.

Second last para meant ‘run-of-the-mill’ not ‘as run as the mill’.

Sometimes things just seem to get sillier and sillier ...

24 September 2019

Bundaberg's Paradise Dam capacity to be reduced to 42pc despite drought, farmers outraged

"I don't see how you are helping farmers by reducing the storage capacity of the newest dam in the country," Federal Member for Hinkler Keith Pitt said.

The dam, which was built by the Queensland Government and opened in 2006 with a 300,000ML capacity, is currently 75 per cent full and was damaged by floods in 2011 and 2013.

@ Viking

You may be interested in learning a little more about Greta and her family...

Mom and Dad and Greta picture below...

When Swedish climate change activist Greta Thunberg was 11 years old, her body had started to shut down due to severe self-starvation tied to debilitating depression. She spoke to almost no one but her immediate family. She was afraid of crowds. She was lost in her own world, and the world very nearly lost her.

But thanks to the formal diagnosis of Asperger’s syndrome coupled with high-functioning autism and obsessive compulsive disorder, the now-16-year-old Swede has become quite literally the poster child for the generation that will have to deal with the destruction of our planet. Once she started receiving multifaceted treatment, Thunberg was able to channel her anxiety into something we should all be concerned about: the health of the planet and the science behind apocalyptic warnings of its demise. 

In October 2018, Thunberg started having anxiety-ridden 3 a.m. nightmares, but unlike before, they were not about her. The recurring nightmares were about the impact of global warming on the planet, according to the book, Scenes From the Heart, she wrote with her parents and sister Beata, who also suffers from many of the same emotional conditions.

Gfeta's mother (Malena, a mezzo soprano) together with her husband are writing another book with her two daughters entitled Our House Is on Fire; according to Penguin Books, it will be released on May 3, 2020. In their description of the upcoming novel, they reveal “This is the story of a family led to confront a crisis they had never foreseen. Of a happy life with two young daughters which suddenly falters, never to be the same again.

Aged eleven, the eldest stops eating and speaking, and her younger sister struggles to cope. Slowly, alongside diagnoses of autism and selective mutism, their desperate parents become aware of another source for their firstborn daughter’s distress: her imperilled future on a rapidly heating planet.”

Two books about the family and health problems...what do you make of that?


Sorry folks, picture above on the left is the sister of Greta (Beata) and Dad. Mom is the one below with actor husband Svante.

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From the same or similar article:

Not everyone wants to hear Thunberg’s message and there is a growing chorus of people who say she and her obsessive condition are being exploited for political purposes. Thunberg has been the object of cruel attacks from climate change deniers who have used her medical conditions against her. Arron Banks, a prominent British businessman who bankrolled the drive for Brexit, tweeted, “Freak yachting accidents do happen in August.” He later said the tweet was a joke, but he has not removed it from his feed. Far-right groups across Europe have chided her and her message, referring to the "apocalyptic dread in her eyes” and saying many other things far too cruel to repeat. 

 

Thunberg’s most vocal critics, it has to be said, are all men, but many of them actually go beyond misogyny and come very close to shaming her for her Asperger’s.

Steve Milloy, a former Trump staffer and full-time Thunberg obsessive, regularly tweets about the “climate puppet.” He claims that the “the world laughs at this Greta charade,” often posting pictures of the teenager in awkward poses. 

Her response has always been swift to her 1.4 million Twitter followers and 3.1 million followers on Instagram. “I am indeed ‘deeply disturbed’ about the fact that these hate and conspiracy campaigns are allowed to go on and on and on just because we children communicate and act on the science,” she tweeted in August. “Where are the adults?”

Yes indeed, where are the adults?

Web resultsGreta Thunberg Is the Climate Heroine We Need16 Sep 2019 · ROME–When Swedish climate change activist Greta Thunberg was 11 years old, her body had started to shut down due to severe self-starvation tied to debilitating depression. She spoke to almost no ... From: www.thedailybeast.com

Thank you Sophie, very interesting but  I don't believe in shooting the messenger especially when the message is vital for the world to act upon. Her detractors can pull Greta apart but if they cannot admit that her message makes more sense than those of our so called adult senior politicians eg  'fruit picking will save the Pacific Islands' or 'climate change is crap,' then they are part of the problem. When so many of our citizens are motivated more by a 16 year old 'foreigner than our own prime minister our democracy has reached a new low.

 

 

 

The NSW LNP government has been secretly planning to turn coastal rivers inland to meet the needs of big irrigators.

Reported by The Guardian

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Greta Thunberg’s speech at the UN assembly:

"My message is that we'll be watching you.

"This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you!

"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!

"For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away and come here saying that you're doing enough, when the politics and solutions needed are still nowhere in sight.

"You say you hear us and that you understand the urgency. But no matter how sad and angry I am, I do not want to believe that. Because if you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil. And that I refuse to believe.

"The popular idea of cutting our emissions in half in 10 years only gives us a 50 per cent chance of staying below 1.5 degrees [of warming] and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.

"Fifty per cent may be acceptable to you. But those numbers do not include tipping points, most feedback loops, additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution or the aspects of equity and climate justice. They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tonnes of your carbon dioxide out of the air with technologies that barely exist.

"So a 50 per cent risk is simply not acceptable to us – we who have to live with the consequences. To have a 67 per cent chance of staying below a 1.5 degrees global temperature rise – the best odds given by the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] – the world had 420 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide left to emit back on January 1, 2018. Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatonnes.

"How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just 'business as usual' and some technical solutions? With today's emissions levels, that remaining carbon dioxide budget will be entirely gone within less than 8½ years.

"There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today, because these numbers are too uncomfortable. And you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is.

"You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you. We will not let you get away with this.

"Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not.

"Thank you."


Watch the speech on YouTube, it is so beautifully delivered. Greta Thunberg’s intensity is perhaps exactly what is needed right now to shake everyone out of inertia. She is like ‘the truth’ staring us all down fearlessly. 

Also recommend people google David Attenborough’s speeches on YouTube.

Amazing that one so young and one so old are leading the way to stir the rest of us to vital action. Politicians be warned, if you continue evading real action to halt or drastically slow down climate change and if you keep pandering to fossil fuel companies (like Adani) you will feel the backlash at the ballot box, especially as each young person reaches voting age.

 

Maybe why the Government will not lower voting age to 16.

 

"Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not."

 

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Have you eliminated all plastic from your life and your family?

Are you driving a petrol guzzling bomb, or do ya have an electric car or at least a hybrid?

Do you buy pure cotton designer frocks? Or do ya visit Best & Lest on a regular basis?

Do you wear synthetic shoes or shoes made with leather or do you use vegan leather shoes?

Do you make your own soap?

Do you use washing up liquid for your dishes or use sand as in third world countries?

Do you use electricity in your house, or candles?

Do you use a washing machine?

Do you have a fridge?

How much water do you use daily?

Want me to go on and on and on and on????

NO?  then clamp down on the fanaticism and hypocrisy

Yes Reagan, “change is coming whether you like it or not”.

Rather than attack people for feeling motivated to do what they can to change their habits, why don’t you join them? That would be more productive, would it not? 

 

I am not the one shouting extremism from the rooftops. I have always welcomed change. I also have solar power, a hybrid car, and we do our bit planting trees and other stuff. Do you use a

Toaster

Microwave

Home heating or do ya use a blanket around the house?

Have you put solar panels on ya roof?

Do ya have running hot water?

Have you changed your light bulbs to LED

Do you unplug all electronic devices when not in use?

Is your house insulated?

Have you a lawn that guzzles water?

Do you compost your waste?

How many trees have you planted?

Do you calculate your carbon footprint on a daily or weekly basis?

Are you vegan or do ya chow down on meat?

Are you preaching to your kids, hubby and rellies, are they listening?

 

TELL US WHAT YOU DO, SO WE CAN FOLLOW YOUR SHINING EXAMPLE..

Reagan,

Why would I let you into my life when you have been so nasty, along with your family/friends for many previous years on here? Why would I trust you when you, your wife Kiah, your family and friends, Sophie, Abe, Bijou, Ray and Banjo are so obviously conservative in their outlooks? For all I know, you could all be paid to be on here to push conservative values. So I will be cautious and give you nothing of my life except to state that I have been an activist against political and environmental wrongs since the 1960s when I was a teenager.

NY19,

Unsure what has happened to my private message facility otherwise I would have sent this message PM-wise...But agree with your appraisal of Abe/Micha and crew and of course with a dysfunctional sociopathic strain so incredibly evident in these people think it’s almost unhealthy to have much to do with them - but your thoughts would resonate with a fair number of people.

But hey consider yourself fortunate - think I scored being called ‘fugly’ (short for f.cking ugly I believe) the last time I challenged something Reagan said with Abe rushing in to his defence - so that’s the up-side - ha ha!

I haven’t read anything from Plan B for a while, hope she’s OK.

Have a nice Thursday.

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Try to find joy..it's the only way to live..

Hi Shetso,

The PM facility was dismantled quite a while ago, none of us can PM.

LOL I think you scored the insult of the year from the mob with “fugly”. Wonder if it was delivered with a pure mind and internal joy? As you would say, “ya gotta laugh”....:))). 

I hope PlanB decided to follow others and leave of her own accord rather than for health reasons. It is a worry that she suddenly disappeared after years of constant action on here. If the PM function was still operating we would be able to find out....frustrating! Hope she’s ok.

Good to see a lot more of your thought provoking comments these days. You have a good Thursday too, in fact have a joyful one like me :)

So Abercrombie, I am you and you are me. Please let it be known I am a little better looking than you. Mama mia, she never gives up, as we say in Italian the grande bocca da scemo needs to take a good long break. How good is it, Scomo has pledged $150m to the Mars space program. Great stuff now we can send all the nutcases there, the sooner the better.

 

 

 

 

 

I lived many years in Denmark and we had frequent holidays in Sweden. On one occasion we went to a concert where a talented opera singer sang a couple of songs, her name Malena Ernman. It was only a couple of days ago I found out she's the mother of Greta Thunberg. Malena has not been sought after as an international singer even though she was a contestant in Eurovision a few years ago. When her child insisted she gave up plane travel, it was no big deal. Greta has a very comfortable lifestyle in Stockholm. Many children do not have her lifestyle. She is also a deeply disturbed girl and my personal feeling is, she is being manipulated and used. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXKTXuM2TY

Anyone with any brains looking at this kid can see she’s unwell. Greta’s new-found celebrity has led to some troubling questions about her parents’ motives. She owes the very existence of her message to the technology she is speaking out against. According to National Geographic, “more than a few teens who began as fervent activists have dropped out, citing depression, anxiety and other fears that the world’s leaders will not act in time to prevent their lives — and the lives of their children — from being irretrievably altered by climate change.”

I am not a climatologist, but I am a scientist and worked with climatologists in Denmark and the UK and continue here in Australia. Climate change is very real, but there is no emergency, there is not going to be “mass extinction” in the very near future. Feeding this to young people is child abuse and the only future I foresee for these anxious kids is one of personal bleakness.

We need to listen to the scientists, we need to plan for the future. People are not going to give up their comfortable lifestyle. If they did, what would have been the point of the Industrial Revolution, the Age of Steam and all the wonderful things we have achieved so far?  The goal should be to plan for the future to use every form of renewables including NUCLEAR. Are we prepared to follow Greta’s country Sweden and utilise nuclear power folks? I am.

 

Nuclear is too expensive and too dangerous, Nuclear is what scares me more than climate change because climate change is unpredictable, and what are you going to do with all the spent rods Abe? 

I cannot understand how you can say it is child abuse when Greta is making her own choices and just saying what she feels and speaks for many who feel the same way.

There is already mass extinction of wildlife, and many people will starve to death if things keep going the way they are, it is time for change for the better and it will happen, and is happening without the Governments. Big business and big banks are already moving fast away from coal, oil and gas investments.

And plant based foods are the fastest growing food products globally.

We do have a more pressing emergency and that is water.

Why would anyone follow you as a scientist Abe when you are a known liar?

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            I really hope you are able to find it one day...

That will never happen Sophie,no joy where she is concerned. She and her alternative personality which she calls Shetso have been in fighter mode from day one. I am absolutely certain it stems from an early age and influenced by a turbulent home life.

It’s a shame she is constantly doing her best to lower the tone of this forum. Not many Seniors’ forums survive these days. One would hope this one would be more valued.

Do not believe there is a critical emergency;  otherwise China and India would be reducing their emissions, would they not?

 

Absolutely correct hyperbole. One in every five person on this planet is Chinese. They want to take over, does anyone really think they believe there is a crisis which might put them in jeopardy?. No, there is urgency, we need to plan strategically and intelligently, in order to prevent a crisis. We need to work with other nations for a solution, not have little kids marching all over the place. Children who are not scientists, who do not have experience. We need them on board but in a way that will help not hinder.

Delicate wash cycles in washing machines found to release more plastic microfibres than other cycles.

New research led by Newcastle University has shown that it is the volume of water used during the  “delicate” wash cycle, rather than the spinning action of the washing machine, which is the key factor in the release of plastic microfibres from clothes.

Millions of plastic microfibres are shed every time we wash clothes that contain materials such as nylon, polyester and acrylic.

Because these fibres are so small, they drain out of our washing machines and can ultimately enter the marine environment.

Once in the ocean, they are ingested by the animals living there and two years ago Newcastle University scientists showed for the first time these fibres have now reached the deepest parts of our ocean.

In fact, they found that on average, 800,000 more fibres were released in a delicate wash than a standard cycle.

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-ditch-delicate-seas.html#targetText=Ditch%20the%20delicate%20wash%20cycle%20to%20save%20our%20seas&targetText=Delicate%20wash%20cyc

Now here is some very good news...

Even planting a trillion trees won't save us from climate change, according to one new study, but a greener, leafier earth will certainly be healthier and more pleasant. It's even likely to make us humans happier, according to a raft of research. Humans seem to have gotten the message. 

"The world is five per cent greener now than it was two decades ago, according to a recent Nasa study. The US space agency claims that leaf cover on Earth has increased by two million square miles since the early 2000s, which is roughly equivalent to the area covered by the Amazon rainforest," Positive News happily reports.  

Study by Nasa.

 

I had no idea about the delicate wash cycle being so invasive Sophie, thanks for that.

I normally use the 30 minute cycle quite frequently too. Some garments don't require a long wash, so that's a saving too.

http://econews.com.au/62397/climate-council-labels-morrison-un-climate-speech-colossal-bullshit/

 

Read the above article which has some fact checking on Morrisons speech at the UN council.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/planting-a-trillion-trees-could-be-the-most-effective-solution-to-climate-change/

 

Sopie read the above article about tree planting which will help, considering Australia has decimated much of our tree cover (killing off wildlife in the process) we should be planting more.

The only solution is for all of us to commit suicide and save the planet.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/09/l-reichard-white/climate-change-eat-drink-be-merry/?mc_cid=1e1a2d133a&mc_eid=af06e08ff7

 

Now because I like to educate myself and keep looking at all the options, I recently came across this article above that puts a whole new spin on the climate change debate, and now I am even more confused about what is really going on with our Goverments.

You need to read the whole article to get the full picture and there are many links also for further studies and comments. Note that this will please some of the climate deniers here, but I think we still need to stop polluting the environment for health reasons even if climate change is real or not.

Like to hear some good comments from others here and please no jokes or insults needed,just intelligient observations and opinions, thanks.

Hi Musicveg,

Some interesting thoughts in the article but having no expertise in the realm of climate science and having a long held ‘mis or distrust’ of politicians and power-brokers generally ....Admit that from  time to time I do have doubts about whether or not so called facts, statistics, information is being ‘spun’ to advantage a particular bias of one side or the other, trotting out scientists from either side to back them up.

Also feel it’s this 

‘who can you believe mentality’

that needs complete clarification to guide ‘the world’s way forward on this problem’ if you will.

Hell and even though I support Greta Thunberg’s right to speak given its her generation that will live through the reality of these forecasted environmental nightmares - in my more cynical moments I will admit to feeling Thunberg’s claims contained an element of exaggeration and melodrama, and even baulked at her - and I paraphrase here - ‘blaming the world for ruining her childhood’ given a whole lot of us use the time-honoured tradition of ‘blaming our own parents for ruining our childhoods’ - so felt her own parents got off scot free on that one!

But again feel there is advantage in the west reverting to the 60s and 70s simpler lifestyle, and don’t see it as a particularly radical change but realistically doable as a ‘bottom-up grass roots movement’ meaning ordinary people have to take on these changes en masse and immediately given the news I’m hearing is that ‘modern life may be the death of us’.

But like many others yearn for clarification on what is ‘truth’and what is ‘spin’...We’ll get nothing from politicians given they’ll be forever and only focussed on the 3 year election cycle and winning elections.

This disturbs me -

Image result for young girl in tears outside PM's office

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/students-strike-around-the-country-for-climate-action/11077022

It’s not surprising so many young people are suffering depression. Filling their minds with doom and gloom is unacceptable. Of course most people accept climate change is real but what they don’t realise is, it’s been real since the earth was formed. It is not all man made, but humans can lessen the impact by taking certain steps. I’m also disgusted by the opportunistic adults who use children for their own purposes.

Then there are these words being bandied around these days “science is settled.” As regards to climate change or global warming, whatever one chooses to call it, science is practically never settled. The very nature of science is, hypotheses are questioned, tested, and retested so that understanding is improved over time. In my opinion and from what I have learnt, both natural and human influences have affected climate over the past century. Yes I do think denying climate change is sticking your head in the sand, however, the panic that seems to be driving our young people, mostly engineered by adults is deplorable. We need to act now but there is a limit to what can be done without plunging the world into darkness. It takes money to make changes and stopping the use of all fossil fuels now, is not only impractical but a very stupid suggestion. We need to continue in this vein while we adopt new ways which certainly should be cultivating the use of renewables.

Great post Aviator. I am glad that's not my child. Children are being duped and we shall see the fall out in years to come. I hope the marching and militant moms and dads are ready to shoulder it when the s**t hits the fan.

Aviator & Abe, although I admire the young people for coming out and having a voice, I admit that picture disturbs me as well. I fear for the mental health of impressionable kids and wonder where it is all going to end.

I agree with anyone who says, the kids should be in school. Why not protest at the weekend? 

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